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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Rebel on April 25, 2006, 12:29:48 AM
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Ok we know that Bishop Lamont will fill Snoop Dogg and Eminem's shoes as Dre 3rd and final "main appreantice" when DETOX comes out. Bishop's album will be to DETOX what Snoop's "Doggystyle" was to "The Chronic" and what "The Marshall Mathers LP" was to "Chronic 2001".
In '92 and '93 Snoop established himself as Dre's original "right hand man". He was "Robin" to Dre's "Batman" where people like RBX, Lady Of Rage, Kurupt, Nate Dogg.. ect. were like a "supporting cast" or helpers. They were the Hip Hop dynamic duo which became evident with classic songs like "Deep Cover" and "Nuthin' But A G-Thang". Dre released his his first album; the classic "The Chronic" followed by another classic from his number one artist and real life close friend Snoop... "Doggystyle".
In '99 and 2000 Eminem took the rains as Dre's next "right hand man" with other artists on the label playing a specific "supporting cast roll". Dre released the classic album "Chronic 2001" followed by the classic album "The Marshall Mathers LP". Even though Snoop came back to remind fans of thier legendary duo with songs like "Still DRE" and "The Next Episode", the biggest focus now was the Dre-N-Em duo with songs like "Forgot About Dre", "What's The Differrence" and "Guilty Conscience". But once a right hand man, always a right hand man as Dre, Snoop and Em united for the track "Bitch Please, part II" with supporting players Xzibit and Nate Dogg.
So this has established Dre's relationship with his artists through each era. Specifaccally, the era in which Dre drops his own album.
1) The "Chronic" era: Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg. 2 Classics: "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle".
2) The "2001" era: Dr. Dre and Eminem. 2 Classics: "Chronic 2001" and "The Marshall Mathers LP".
So what will the "Detox" era be like to end the trilogy of Dre's musicall chapter and his number one protoge's? Here's the plan:
3) The "Detox" era: Dr. Dre and Bishop Lamont. 2 Classics: "DETOX" and "The Reformation".
^^ only time will tell if this actually happens, but I know for a fact that this is the plan Dre is working on and that Bishop's Aftermath debut "The Reformation" is being made simotaniously w/ Detox. Just like Dre-N-Snoop & Dre-N-Em.
Snoop was the original "guest star" on "The Chronic", he came back to Dre's side on "2001" and will do it again for "DETOX". Eminem was the "guest star" of "2001".
So my queston is, will Eminem and Snoop come back as the first 2 "main appreantices" and have 1 or 2 classic "Batman & Robin" type tracks with Dre on DETOX since Bishop will be the 3rd and final "guest star" on DETOX? Will Eminem and Snoop's appearence be to "DETOX" what Snoop's was to "2001"?
Discuss, argue, agree! 8)
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:-\ soo.............what are u tryin to say??
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:-\ soo.............what are u tryin to say??
I asked the questons at the bottom, but you can comment on anything in the post, haha.
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I just wait for Detox to come out and then I'mma start discussing about it... :laugh:
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I just wait for Detox to come out and then I'mma start discussing about it... :laugh:
+1
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If Detox does come out I feel that the last things you said will be true.
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I could see this happening, yeah
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This seems 2 b the way dre has gone 4 his other 2 albums but theres no guarantee he'll do the same again. Guess we'll just hav 2 wait n c!
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:D :D :D :D :D
another Detox thread :idea:
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You know a album is anticipated when it is discussed 1000 times more than already released albums, long before it is released. :D
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*Drops 2 Cents and stands close to them* ::)
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Hittman was playin Robin for 2001, not Em.
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Hittman was the in snoops role in 2001 not EM
and Bishop isn't even that good
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Detox wil not come out. We'll get a nex-best thing- type album...A compilation of some kind where Dre won't have to be in the spotlight as much, GUARANTEED!
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Hittman was the in snoops role in 2001 not EM
yeah at times it was almost a hittman album !
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that "article" lost all credibility when it didn't mention Hittman... it's pretty obvious Hitt was gonna be the next Snoop...
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I'm not counting on Detox to ever be released.
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:D :D :D :D :D
another Detox thread :idea:
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Ok we know that Bishop Lamont will fill Snoop Dogg and Eminem's shoes as Dre 3rd and final "main appreantice" when DETOX comes out. Bishop's album will be to DETOX what Snoop's "Doggystyle" was to "The Chronic" and what "The Marshall Mathers LP" was to "Chronic 2001".
you said third and final main apprentice so what bout game , knocturnal , daz , kurupt , nate & warren g they all are dre's proteges and have gone on to become stars in there own rights and plus theres the new guy G.A.G.E so i dont think dre is done wid making new stars
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Bishop Lamont the next Eminem and Snoop Dogg?... :whistle:
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Rebel, you think alot like I do (In a good way, lol). Here's the problem though that I've come to terms with a little bit.
We (You, I, others) look for patterns to make sense of things. Somewhere in your head you might see Dre as this fuckin' awesome producer who keeps releasing great albums (well, 2 so far). We all imagine that his new one will be awesome as well. So you analyze things and try to find sense in it, why is Dre so good, why is his career so top notch, what formula is he following, where's the pattern?
You did come up with a nice pattern, that's the type of shit I would notice and think up myself too. The problem with you (and me) is that these patterns are bullshit. Your pattern holds up, but it's because you made it hold up. You ignored the other shit, like for instance, while it's true Eminem was all over 2001, Hittman was even more so over the album, wasn't he, and his career ended up as shit. So you convienantly ignored what didn't fit your pattern, even though Hitt was clearly Dre's apprentice at the time.
Ultimately, the Bishop Lamont thing might happen, but then again it might not, too. Since Dre's only released 2 albums, and it happened only twice, with Snoop and then Em, it might still just be a coincidence and not a pattern.
So what I'm getting at is, yeah it's cool to see shit like this and wonder and talk about it, but ultimately we're just bullshittin'.
Peace~
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Uh... some of yall didn't get it. Anyway, what does Hittman have to show? The guy never put out an album, lol. Songs like "What's The Differrence" and "Forgot About Dre" are bigger than the ones with Hittman. Everybody listening to Hip Hop back in that era knows it was all about Dre-N-Em... NOT Dre and Hittman.
Quality > Quantity
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You've gotta include Game into your equation as well. And whether you guys like it or not, expect 50 to be on there somewhere.
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You've gotta include Game into your equation as well. And whether you guys like it or not, expect 50 to be on there somewhere.
Ture. Although 50 Cent is more a product of Eminem the Dr. Dre.
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so what your trying to say is game will end up like hittman and bishop like em and snoop...hmm
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The last 2 people see it.
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Bishop Lamont the next Eminem and Snoop Dogg?... :whistle:
*Coughs* :)
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The last 2 people see it.
see what? ::)
Snoop was all over The Chronic ... then dropped Doggystyle.
Eminem was on what, 2 tracks on Chronic 2001??
... and Eminem was already huge after the Slim Shady LP.
Your thread doesnt make sense.
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The last 2 people see it.
see what? ::)
Snoop was all over The Chronic ... then dropped Doggystyle.
Eminem was on what, 2 tracks on Chronic 2001??
... and Eminem was already huge after the Slim Shady LP.
Your thread doesnt make sense.
No. You just cant make sence out of it. Quality over quantity.
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Regardless of how you look at it...Hittman was definitely supposed to be to 2001 what Snoop was to the Chronic, but not to the same extent. Dre used Chronic to introduce the world to Snoop, who was basically a brand new rapper at the time, and he put his album out afterwards. Yeah Em was a big factor on 2001 and that helped build his hype for the 2nd album, but the fact is Dre put him out before the album, so the world already knew who he was.
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The last 2 people see it.
see what? ::)
Snoop was all over The Chronic ... then dropped Doggystyle.
Eminem was on what, 2 tracks on Chronic 2001??
... and Eminem was already huge after the Slim Shady LP.
Your thread doesnt make sense.
No. You just cant make sence out of it. Quality over quantity.
I know what u are saying but it is way off point. Eminem on Chronic 2001 was NOT what Snoop was on The Chronic. which makes the thread irrelevant. Who knows what Dre will do with Detox ... Dre himself is unsure which is why he hasnt put anything out !~
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Uh... some of yall didn't get it. Anyway, what does Hittman have to show? The guy never put out an album, lol. Songs like "What's The Differrence" and "Forgot About Dre" are bigger than the ones with Hittman. Everybody listening to Hip Hop back in that era knows it was all about Dre-N-Em... NOT Dre and Hittman.
Quality > Quantity
Uh... no. Everybody listening to hiphop back in 'that era' was talking about how incredible Hittman was on that album.
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Regardless of how you look at it...Hittman was definitely supposed to be to 2001 what Snoop was to the Chronic, but not to the same extent. Dre used Chronic to introduce the world to Snoop, who was basically a brand new rapper at the time, and he put his album out afterwards. Yeah Em was a big factor on 2001 and that helped build his hype for the 2nd album, but the fact is Dre put him out before the album, so the world already knew who he was.
True. Maybe I should have talked about the "era" of each album instead. But seriously, wasn't Em's presence far more memorable and sought after on "2001" than Hittman's?
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lol@the eminem comments
everybody should know that hittman was meant to be the next star on 2001, afte snoop.......shit, dre even had a press conference about the nigga saying a bunch of shit about him, he even stated he was the follow up as dres next after snoop......but shit didnt work out as planned, eminem was already a star when 2001 dropped, he was on 2001 since he was a aftermath member and was a star, maybe not as big as after 2001 no doubt, but still sellin triple plat........back to hittman, the reason that shit didnt work out was because the normal public didnt find hittmans shit to be great and kinda boring, i think his shit was fly........track 5 on 2001 was one of the best........ofcourse the eminem features were more memorable, but then the snoop features were still the best on 2001 in next episode, still dre and so on........but snoop was the return of the top dog/dre snoop reunion on 2001 and eminem was the aftermath member on 2001.....hittman was meant to be the next big thing
didnt work out........eminem took his spot......but dont ever get it mixed up who was meant to be the the next nigga on 2001........dont wanna confuse these eminem groupies any mo(not a diss at you rebel)
pz
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i was hoping detox went back to snoop and dre - like chronic > detox - a full circle for dre's albums.
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:D :D :D :D :D
another Detox thread :idea:
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Regardless of how you look at it...Hittman was definitely supposed to be to 2001 what Snoop was to the Chronic, but not to the same extent. Dre used Chronic to introduce the world to Snoop, who was basically a brand new rapper at the time, and he put his album out afterwards. Yeah Em was a big factor on 2001 and that helped build his hype for the 2nd album, but the fact is Dre put him out before the album, so the world already knew who he was.
True. Maybe I should have talked about the "era" of each album instead. But seriously, wasn't Em's presence far more memorable and sought after on "2001" than Hittman's?
No, I skip the tracks with Em.