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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: ImmortalOne on February 12, 2002, 03:05:28 PM
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Someone help me out here. Ive had a bunch of people tell me that Dre didnt really produce The Chronic or Doggystyle.............is this REALLY true, someone drop the knowledge [probably BigJake knows].......
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I am pretty sure this rumour has been disproved every week for the last month...of course Dre produced
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I am pretty sure this rumour has been disproved every week for the last month...of course Dre produced the albums, with a little help from Daz, Warren G, and others like Colin Wolfe, etc.
People are always sayin shit like Dre didn't produce this shit...i don't got time to explain everything to you cuz i gots to bounce, but hopefully someone else does.....peace
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Damn, cuz this shit has me wondering big time. Both albums are classic regardless of who produced them, but this shit really has me curios......Someone even told me that Dre didnt even produce "Lil Ghetto Boy, lol...........Im not saying I believe that, but if someone could give the whole 9 yards on this shit, it would be appreciated.
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Dre produced the album... they have video tape of everyone in the studio and Dre is producing... why would you doubt?
-Big BpG
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the chroic is 95% dr. dre, the other 5% is colin wolfe and the glove, who practically just suggested a couple of things to add, collin wolfe being the live bass player had probably the majority of that 5%
95% is actually pretty impressive becuase most producers use an array of help and far more studio musicians and what have you...that's why the chronic is praised so highly for it's production beucase it's like almost all dre. so if anything , everything bad tha suge and daz have said about dre is the opposite...this shit is even in the classes that i'm taking on musical production....plus warren g was asked about this as well, and if you can trust anyone it's warren g
daz and warren did nothing really, they were just learning how to produce, especially daz, warren was already around for niggaz4life, so he was more knowledgable, and actually from what i've heard gave daz the tabs for rat tat tat, but that's all they really did on the final cut of the chronic....they might have done other trax that didn't make it but everything on the chronic is 95% dre, 3% collin wolfe and like 2% the glove
when they say "the chronic was a group effort" they're talkin about the rapping, daz did more work on the rapping and warren did some trax too vocally , but i guess they just didn't make the cut
doggystyle......that was going to be 100% or like 98% dre at least, but the time press from Deathrow's distributor Time Warner was creeping up so fast that dre had to give daz and warren some blue prints to a couple of songs and had them do them (about 5 or 6 songs) then dre came in and remixed them (basically erased every thing he didn't like about them and redid the song til it was perfect), and out of those 5 or 6, only 2 or 3 (i forgot the exact tracks, i know ain't no fun is one of them) made the final cut , so Doggystyle is 85% Dr. Dre and like 10% daz and warren and 5% whoever was the hired musicians
which is still VERY applaudable , becuase when you look at quincy jone's work (hailed the greatest producer ever) on thriller you'll see a sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeww of other people, and if you heard the re-released version of off the wall by michael jackson it shows that some of the trax were already half produced already before quincy came in....that's not a bad thing AT ALL that's basically what every producer does, he tightens all the loose ends with a the record company's band(s)....so dre was putting in more than enough work to get his well deserved props, like his 2 idols George Clinton and Issac Hayes who both take the same approach when producing a song
did't mean to go on and on but that's how it all went down to my knowledge, plus if you have a trained ear you can just tell, dre was working with a whoooooooooooooooole other batch of people on ruthless records, yet niggaz4life sounds the same as the chronic....that's proof enough really
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Thanx for droppin the knowledge Jake. I had a feeling Dre did most if not all the work on both albums, and me and this other dude were having a debate about it....so, I came to the only place I could go, West Coast Affiliates, hahahaha.
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heres the production credits to proove my point right
the chronic intro
dr. dre , Collin Wolfe
Dre Day
dr. dre , Collin Wolfe
Let Me Ride
Dr. Dre
Day the niggaz took over
dr. dre
nuthin but a g thang
dr. dre
deeeez nutts
dr. dre , collin wolfe
lil ghetto boy
dr. dre , katisse buckingham
a nigga witta gun
dr. dre
20 sack pyramid
dr. dre ,snoop, d.o.c, warren griffen (even though i don't think there was a beat)
lyrical gangbang
dr. dre
high powered
dr. dre ,collin wolfe
the doctor's office
dr. dre
stranded on deathrow
dr. dre, the glove
the roach
dr. dre
remember collin wolfe is just the hired bass player and basically HAS to play the tabs dre tells him to and gets credit for his contribution, plus he can add little variations plus i think he played the keyboard as well so he got more credit than all the other hired musicians becuase he added variations that dre approved of.
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lol oh yeah like big bpg said theres even video footage (MTV showed it alot back in the day and last year when they did a biography on dre) of him producing, everyone was partying and dre was turning knobs, hitting keys, instructing the musicians and telling what the vocalists what to do, and basically putting in major work... oh yeah, and eating doritos lol
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lol oh yeah like big bpg said theres even video footage (MTV showed it alot back in the day and last year when they did a biography on dre) of him producing, everyone was partying and dre was turning knobs, hitting keys, instructing the musicians and telling what the vocalists what to do, and basically putting in major work... oh yeah, and eating doritos lol
Hahahhahahah... yep, I remember the doritos... they recorded The Chronic at Solar Records in Hollywood
I thought I told you, bitch I'm a soulja,
East side, long beach, gang-bang roller,
From the solar, cuz this, is it,
-Snoop Dogg (I Can't Swim off Tha Last Meal)
on the Welcome 2 Deathrow Video, its so funny seeing Warren G... he is wearing these glasses that make him look like he is 15... hilarious, then you see Snoop rolling up a blunt and Dre is playing the piano. Some Very Funny shit, but at the same time, very important for westcoast rap music.
-Big BpG
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20 sack pyramid
dr. dre ,snoop, d.o.c, warren griffen (even though i don't think there was a beat)
Dre just sampled the drum beat from Joe Tex's "Papa Was Too" on that one.
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I think Greg "Gregski" Royal may have helped on some tracks too. When RBX left Death Row, Gregski produced his whole album.
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Dre produced the album... they have video tape of everyone in the studio and Dre is producing... why would you doubt?
-Big BpG
I was gonna say the same thing, they even have videotape of him producing it, LOL...
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warren g is listed on the $20 sack coz its him and the DOC.
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warren g is listed on the $20 sack coz its him and the DOC.
Bootney Lee Fondsworth and Duck-MOTHERFUCKIN'-Mouth! LOL!
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Thanks BIGjakeDOGGYdogg, your post made good reading.
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Course he did!
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i am sick of hearing this shit...u are listening to too much of suge's bullshit...dre produced...
but however...i found this out when i went to music zone last saturday...i have the the chronic with the bitches aint shit bonus track...but my case don't have the track listed...so the real case for this chronic cd say on the back 'bonus track: bitches aint shit' then where it should originally say executive producer DR. DRE on the back...it says EXECUTIVE PRODUCER suge knight...can anyone explain why he is the producer all of a sudden just cos he added a bonus track??
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No offense to you hellrazor, but this rumor is tired. Half these fuckers who blindly claim that Dre didn't produce the Chronic cause Suge, or Daz says so would doubt thier own sexuality if suge or daz said they were fags. Like Jake said, if you are a true Dre fan, and have ANY ear for music, you can hear the similarities from ALL dre music. Even with his futuristic sound on 2001, you can hear similar elements in both.
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Posted by: The Big Bad Ass Posted on: Today at 14:18:12
if you are a true Dre fan, and have ANY ear for music, you can hear the similarities from ALL dre music. Even with his futuristic sound on 2001, you can hear similar elements in both.
true, but dre have done bigg changes since the nwa days...
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i am sick of hearing this shit...u are listening to too much of suge's bullshit...dre produced...
but however...i found this out when i went to music zone last saturday...i have the the chronic with the bitches aint shit bonus track...but my case don't have the track listed...so the real case for this chronic cd say on the back 'bonus track: bitches aint shit' then where it should originally say executive producer DR. DRE on the back...it says EXECUTIVE PRODUCER suge knight...can anyone explain why he is the producer all of a sudden just cos he added a bonus track??
tha remastered version has this, thats why
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heres the production credits to proove my point right
the chronic intro
dr. dre , Collin Wolfe
Dre Day
dr. dre , Collin Wolfe
Let Me Ride
Dr. Dre
Day the niggaz took over
dr. dre
nuthin but a g thang
dr. dre
deeeez nutts
dr. dre , collin wolfe
lil ghetto boy
dr. dre , katisse buckingham
a nigga witta gun
dr. dre
20 sack pyramid
dr. dre ,snoop, d.o.c, warren griffen (even though i don't think there was a beat)
lyrical gangbang
dr. dre
high powered
dr. dre ,collin wolfe
the doctor's office
dr. dre
stranded on deathrow
dr. dre, the glove
the roach
dr. dre
remember collin wolfe is just the hired bass player and basically HAS to play the tabs dre tells him to and gets credit for his contribution, plus he can add little variations plus i think he played the keyboard as well so he got more credit than all the other hired musicians becuase he added variations that dre approved of.
Isn't that the writing credits? Cause on the left hand side of the sleeve, those are the writers, who wrote the songs. I'm positive.
Look on the right side of the book, it lists all the credits. Read them, all Daz did was the drum programing for "Rat-tat-tat."
Dr. Dre was the genius behind both albums.
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naw i got this straight out of my book from school, the ones from the cd have snoop , doc, and rbx all over the writing credits
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the chroic is 95% dr. dre, the other 5% is colin wolfe and the glove, who practically just suggested a couple of things to add, collin wolfe being the live bass player had probably the majority of that 5%
95% is actually pretty impressive becuase most producers use an array of help and far more studio musicians and what have you...that's why the chronic is praised so highly for it's production beucase it's like almost all dre. so if anything , everything bad tha suge and daz have said about dre is the opposite...this shit is even in the classes that i'm taking on musical production....plus warren g was asked about this as well, and if you can trust anyone it's warren g
daz and warren did nothing really, they were just learning how to produce, especially daz, warren was already around for niggaz4life, so he was more knowledgable, and actually from what i've heard gave daz the tabs for rat tat tat, but that's all they really did on the final cut of the chronic....they might have done other trax that didn't make it but everything on the chronic is 95% dre, 3% collin wolfe and like 2% the glove
when they say "the chronic was a group effort" they're talkin about the rapping, daz did more work on the rapping and warren did some trax too vocally , but i guess they just didn't make the cut
doggystyle......that was going to be 100% or like 98% dre at least, but the time press from Deathrow's distributor Time Warner was creeping up so fast that dre had to give daz and warren some blue prints to a couple of songs and had them do them (about 5 or 6 songs) then dre came in and remixed them (basically erased every thing he didn't like about them and redid the song til it was perfect), and out of those 5 or 6, only 2 or 3 (i forgot the exact tracks, i know ain't no fun is one of them) made the final cut , so Doggystyle is 85% Dr. Dre and like 10% daz and warren and 5% whoever was the hired musicians
which is still VERY applaudable , becuase when you look at quincy jone's work (hailed the greatest producer ever) on thriller you'll see a sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeww of other people, and if you heard the re-released version of off the wall by michael jackson it shows that some of the trax were already half produced already before quincy came in....that's not a bad thing AT ALL that's basically what every producer does, he tightens all the loose ends with a the record company's band(s)....so dre was putting in more than enough work to get his well deserved props, like his 2 idols George Clinton and Issac Hayes who both take the same approach when producing a song
did't mean to go on and on but that's how it all went down to my knowledge, plus if you have a trained ear you can just tell, dre was working with a whoooooooooooooooole other batch of people on ruthless records, yet niggaz4life sounds the same as the chronic....that's proof enough really
Great fuckin post. Also how the hell do u know about the details on the production of The Chronic and Doggystyle? So IT'S a FACT that warren g/daz did some production on doggystyle? Where did u get this information from? This IS the first time I have EVER heard about anything like this...
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warren g is listed on the $20 sack coz its him and the DOC.
Bootney Lee Fondsworth and Duck-MOTHERFUCKIN'-Mouth! LOL!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
;D
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no way, daz says ge produced alot of songs on those 2 albums, it has to be true!
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i am sick of hearing this shit...u are listening to too much of suge's bullshit...dre produced...
but however...i found this out when i went to music zone last saturday...i have the the chronic with the bitches aint shit bonus track...but my case don't have the track listed...so the real case for this chronic cd say on the back 'bonus track: bitches aint shit' then where it should originally say executive producer DR. DRE on the back...it says EXECUTIVE PRODUCER suge knight...can anyone explain why he is the producer all of a sudden just cos he added a bonus track??
On the remastered version Suge is listed as executive producer, it's not the same as producing the music. The executive producer basically handles the money and makes sure recording costs are taken care of. Suge just put his name on the back of the album because he's still jealous of Dre.
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lol @ me calling shit "tabs" lol
to whoever asked "how do you know it's fact" , back in the day when i wanted to work in the music industry i was taking some music classes and we had this text book and it described all sorts of producers / composers and shit.......it went chronologically, you had a lot about phil spector ,producer for the beatles, john williams, ect. there was a little section about hip hop and dre was like a big chunk of it. i take it as truth until someone who was there in the studio unbiasly says differently
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why up a 4 year old topic?
lol @ me calling shit "tabs" lol
to whoever asked "how do you know it's fact" , back in the day when i wanted to work in the music industry i was taking some music classes and we had this text book and it described all sorts of producers / composers and shit.......it went chronologically, you had a lot about phil spector ,producer for the beatles, john williams, ect. there was a little section about hip hop and dre was like a big chunk of it. i take it as truth until someone who was there in the studio unbiasly says differently
much of what you said was practically confirmed in Have Gun, Will Travell...
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lol yeah and that too...
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A lot of the songs are 'produced' by Dre, but its the exact same beat as the song it sampled, like 'Whats My Name?', nothing really was changed, just a jacked beat...
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Now it's time for the truth. Dre may have produced the majority of the chronic, but songs off the album were stolen from above the law's "black mafia life" album which was recorded at least a year before the chronic. After playing some tracks for dre, dre recorded the chronic ("let me ride, dre day, etc"). The only reason "chronic" came out first was that after biting tracks, death row needed a distribution company and wanted Sony, the only problem ATL was signed to sony through Ruthless, anyway Dre couldn't make his home where Eazy had artists so Sony got rid of above the law to make way for death row. The deal fell through because of all the bullshit surrounding Suge's tactics used to get Dre off Ruthless (Sony didn't want to be associated with the kaos and possibly get sued by Eazy) along with some other shit. So in the meantime ATL had no deal, the album was sitting around till Eazy got them a deal at Giant/Warner Bros. Death Row got situated at Interscope and that's how it really went down. Chronic was dope though!
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who cares if dre produced most of chronic or doggystyle or if he didnt do most of the production....the point is that their both classics and the props are given to dre for those albums....whether its a lie or not...who gives a shit?
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who cares if dre produced most of chronic or doggystyle or if he didnt do most of the production....the point is that their both classics and the props are given to dre for those albums....whether its a lie or not...who gives a shit?
Me and alot of ppl.
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who cares if dre produced most of chronic or doggystyle or if he didnt do most of the production....the point is that their both classics and the props are given to dre for those albums....whether its a lie or not...who gives a shit?
Me and alot of ppl.