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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Addicted To Cake on April 30, 2006, 04:47:28 PM
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yes, even better than jordan and more clutch. kobe is simply amazing.
and the cracka mvp chokes again while kobe keeps showing the world why hes the MVP.
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I thought nash called the time out b4 hand. But none the less doesnt take anything away from kobe and hitting the game winning shot. But Jordan >>> Kobe ... most of you cats are too young to remember MJ except for what he did with the wizards.
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I thought nash called the time out b4 hand. But none the less doesnt take anything away from kobe and hitting the game winning shot. But Jordan >>> Kobe ... most of you cats are too young to remember MJ except for what he did with the wizards.
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G.O.A.T= Not Kobe. Not yet, at least. Just wait for it. If he does become greater then Jordan, we'll all know it. Kobe still has 10 years to prove what he is capable of. Don't think you'll see any significant decline just because he gets older.
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Michael Jordan Achivements
Awards
Five-time regular season Most Valuable Player, 1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98.
Won three consecutive NBA Finals MVPs, twice, 1991-93 and 1996-98.
Second player to win seven straight scoring titles, 1986-87 to 1992-93 (Wilt Chamberlain, 1960-66).
Also won scoring titles in 1995-96, 1996-97 and 1997-98.
All-NBA first team seven straight years, 1987-93. Also 1996-1998.
All-Defense first team six straight years, 1988-93. Also 1996-1998.
NBA Defensive Player of the Year, 1988.
NBA Rookie of the Year, 1984-85.
NBA Slam Dunk Champion, 1987, 1988.
NBA All-Star Game MVP, 1988, 1996, 1998.
Sporting News College Player of the Year, 1983, 1984.
Sporting News All-America first team, 1983, 1984.
Records
Bulls' all-time leading scorer and 3rd all-time leading scorer in NBA with 29,277 points.
Scored a playoff-record 63 points in a 1986 first-round game against Boston.
Set NBA record with 23 consecutive points against Atlanta in 1987.
3,041 points in 1986-87 were the third-highest total in NBA history.
Holds career record for highest-points per game average in regular season, 31.5.
Shares single-game record for most free throws made in one quarter, 14, 1989 at Utah (4th quarter), and 1992 at Miami (4th quarter).
Career record for scoring average in All-Star Game, 21.3 ppg.
Highest scoring average, NBA Finals, 41.0 against Phoenix, 1993.
Most points, six-game series, NBA Finals, 246 against Phoenix, 1993.
Most field goals, NBA Finals, 101 against Phoenix, 1993.
Holds career record for highest-points per game average in playoffs, 33.4.
Holds NBA Finals single-game record for most points in one half, 35.
Dont mean to burst your bubble, but KOBE IS NOWHERE CLOSE to being GOAT or better than Mr. Jordan.....
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nonsense
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LOL@Nowhere close...Kobe is well on track to being known as the greatest player when he retires. As of now, we don't know, I think he will, but we'll ALL know when everything is all said and done...PeACe
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blashpemy
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Kobe has 3 titles. Jordan has 6.
Kobe has 1 NBA scoring title. Jordan has 10.
Kobe has 0 NBA MVP Awards. Jordan has 5
Kobe has 0 NBA Finals MVP awards. Jordan has 6
Unless something VERY dramatic happens with Kobe in the next 5 years, he wont even come close to what Jordan did. Also consider the fact Jordan alone did more for the game of basketball than any other player in history.
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Kobe has 3 titles. Jordan has 6.
Kobe has 1 NBA scoring title. Jordan has 10.
Kobe has 0 NBA MVP Awards. Jordan has 5
Kobe has 0 NBA Finals MVP awards. Jordan has 6
Also consider the fact Jordan alone did more for the game of basketball than any other player in history.
exactly, kobe can end up with better stats and more rings, but just the fact what MJ did for the game will put him ahead. Is it fair, no... buts no ever said life is fair
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KOBE IS JUST STARTING HIS LEGACY!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Kobe has 3 titles. Jordan has 6.
Kobe has 1 NBA scoring title. Jordan has 10.
Kobe has 0 NBA MVP Awards. Jordan has 5
Kobe has 0 NBA Finals MVP awards. Jordan has 6
Unless something VERY dramatic happens with Kobe in the next 5 years, he wont even come close to what Jordan did. Also consider the fact Jordan alone did more for the game of basketball than any other player in history.
^^^UMMMMM, Excuse me...His name is Wilt Chamberlain! Jordan achieved a good portion of his legacy in his 30's...KOBE IS STILL 27 AND HAS A WAY BETTER LEGACY THAN JORDAN DID AT 27. How can you guys say there's no way Kobe will be better? That's just completely insane, you can't predict that shit...If Kobe, who is just now entering his prime with greater accomplishments than Jordan EVER had entering his prime, will continue on this path he's traveling on, he will EASILY surpass Jordan by the end of his career...Not saying he will, but ya'll can't fuckin' say he wont...That's just you hoping on the inside that he wont... :-*
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what a bunch of haters, lol like nik said jordan did most his damage in his 30s, he got all 6 of his rings in his 30s, I really dont think Kobe is even close to being done yet...but you guys aren't even giving him a chance
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Kobe has 3 titles. Jordan has 6.
Kobe has 1 NBA scoring title. Jordan has 10.
Kobe has 0 NBA MVP Awards. Jordan has 5
Kobe has 0 NBA Finals MVP awards. Jordan has 6
Unless something VERY dramatic happens with Kobe in the next 5 years, he wont even come close to what Jordan did. Also consider the fact Jordan alone did more for the game of basketball than any other player in history.
if you're basing greatness on awards and merrits...than jordan shouldn't be considered the greatest of all time either
right now yes kobe is better than jordan was at his age...hell i'll say kobe now is better than jordan was in any given season, but overall jordan has had the more spectacular career, but also with that said....kobe is on pace to surpassing that
right now jordan still owns the crown, but it's more than up for grabs at the moment
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say he doesnt reach jordans status,will Kobe go down as the 2nd best player to ever play the game?
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say he doesnt reach jordans status,will Kobe go down as the 2nd best player to ever play the game?
Usually they rank them as Guards and C/PF, but yes Kobe will be the 2nd best guard even if he doesnt win another title. Let's not kid ourselves though, the reason Kobe has accomplished more at 27 than Jordan at 27 is because of some dude they had at Center a few years back. Jordan was given the role of leader out of college, so he's never been a sidekick. Imagine if Jordan had a dominant Center before 1991? Anyhow, Jordan still got his title at 27 with him being the leader, Kobe hasn't done that and is barely in the process of that. Also, Jordan's year at 27 is still better than Kobe's 2006, Jordan was much more efficient.
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Keep hating on Kobe , it's not a pb... he gonna prove you all wrong(still remind me the Suns"We know it's gonna be all about Kobe in this series well fools next time they better shut up their mouth) that's why he lives for... the B-Ball court IS the only truth ... See you soon in 10 years ...
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Damn, if you don't call him the best you're automatically a hater? The stats, awards, and history speak for themselves.
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say he doesnt reach jordans status,will Kobe go down as the 2nd best player to ever play the game?
Usually they rank them as Guards and C/PF, but yes Kobe will be the 2nd best guard even if he doesnt win another title. Let's not kid ourselves though, the reason Kobe has accomplished more at 27 than Jordan at 27 is because of some dude they had at Center a few years back. Jordan was given the role of leader out of college, so he's never been a sidekick. Imagine if Jordan had a dominant Center before 1991? Anyhow, Jordan still got his title at 27 with him being the leader, Kobe hasn't done that and is barely in the process of that. Also, Jordan's year at 27 is still better than Kobe's 2006, Jordan was much more efficient.
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Damn, if you don't call him the best you're automatically a hater? The stats, awards, and history speak for themselves.
I don't say Kobe is better than Jordan coz he's not (at least yet)... but I talk about the whole hate around him like...
1) Kobe doesn't make his teammates better ... wrong
2) He's not the MVP .... wrong
3) and so on....
If you people just tried to stay objective about him, there wouldl be no pb about it... Jordan>>> Kobe no pb about that coz it's true. I admit I'm a huge LA and Kobe fan but he ain't neither god or perfect , he did mistakes BUT he's still an INCREDIBLE player , just admit it... You can't deny there is a lot of hate, and a huge part of it without reasons, on Kobe, especially coming from media.
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lol @ people that try to take away from kobe's greatness b/c he played with shaq. I guess Magic is not great b/c he played with Kareem or Stockton is not great b/c he played with Malone.
And enough with this Jordan shit, Every Great Player did something different that made them great.
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I hope the Lakers reach the finals this playoffs, although it's not likely... then Kobe's greatness would be proved, since he's surrounded by such a poor roster
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say he doesnt reach jordans status,will Kobe go down as the 2nd best player to ever play the game?
Usually they rank them as Guards and C/PF, but yes Kobe will be the 2nd best guard even if he doesnt win another title. Let's not kid ourselves though, the reason Kobe has accomplished more at 27 than Jordan at 27 is because of some dude they had at Center a few years back. Jordan was given the role of leader out of college, so he's never been a sidekick. Imagine if Jordan had a dominant Center before 1991? Anyhow, Jordan still got his title at 27 with him being the leader, Kobe hasn't done that and is barely in the process of that. Also, Jordan's year at 27 is still better than Kobe's 2006, Jordan was much more efficient.
I'm sorry, but that's wrong. Jordan never took a team with starters that would be in the NBDL if it wasn't for him and made them a dangerous team, as Kobe has this year. Jordan always had Pippen, even without Jordan, the Bulls were strong in the playoffs...As for Jordan being more efficient...You could look at Jordan the wrong way and get called for a foul. Kobe doesn't get that respect from the refs, he gets pounded when he takes it in without calls, and with the new zone-defense rule, that has him settling for a lot more jump-shots...And like I've pointed out numerous times, Jordan only has a higher FG% because he didn't take NEARLY as many three's as Kobe, which obviously drops your percentage...Like I said, we'll see when it's all said and done. ;)
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lol @ people that try to take away from kobe's greatness b/c he played with shaq. I guess Magic is not great b/c he played with Kareem or Stockton is not great b/c he played with Malone.
And enough with this Jordan shit, Every Great Player did something different that made them great.
It's also hilarious when you take into account that he played alongside Pippen his whole career, one of the best defenders ever, and at the time EASILY a top 5 player. The contradictions are incredible...
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I hope the Lakers reach the finals this playoffs, although it's not likely... then Kobe's greatness would be proved, since he's surrounded by such a poor roster
We proved our roster isn't poor...Maybe it would be had Kobe not been on the team, but he pushes those guys like no other...His greatness just shines right through him from every angle...PeACe
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Damn, if you don't call him the best you're automatically a hater? The stats, awards, and history speak for themselves.
I don't say Kobe is better than Jordan coz he's not (at least yet)... but I talk about the whole hate around him like...
1) Kobe doesn't make his teammates better ... wrong
2) He's not the MVP .... wrong
3) and so on....
If you people just tried to stay objective about him, there wouldl be no pb about it... Jordan>>> Kobe no pb about that coz it's true. I admit I'm a huge LA and Kobe fan but he ain't neither god or perfect , he did mistakes BUT he's still an INCREDIBLE player , just admit it... You can't deny there is a lot of hate, and a huge part of it without reasons, on Kobe, especially coming from media.
You want to know why people hate Kobe? It's because of fans that dismiss Jordan like if he was just another really good player but praise Kobe for being a legend.
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Damn, if you don't call him the best you're automatically a hater? The stats, awards, and history speak for themselves.
I don't say Kobe is better than Jordan coz he's not (at least yet)... but I talk about the whole hate around him like...
1) Kobe doesn't make his teammates better ... wrong
2) He's not the MVP .... wrong
3) and so on....
If you people just tried to stay objective about him, there wouldl be no pb about it... Jordan>>> Kobe no pb about that coz it's true. I admit I'm a huge LA and Kobe fan but he ain't neither god or perfect , he did mistakes BUT he's still an INCREDIBLE player , just admit it... You can't deny there is a lot of hate, and a huge part of it without reasons, on Kobe, especially coming from media.
You want to know why people hate Kobe? It's because of fans that dismiss Jordan like if he was just another really good player but praise Kobe for being a legend.
1.That's an EXTREMELY dumb reason to hate on Kobe. Because of idiots who don't know basketball, you hate on a a living legend in his prime?
2.Anyone who says Jordan is just another really good player IS an idiot who doesn't know basketball.
3.I don't think the majority of us have been saying anything like that. In fact, most of us have acknowledged that he's the greatest as of now.
:-*
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Who gives a fuck who's better? This is going to be a never ending discussion because it is peoples opinion. Alls I know is that the Lakers are going to the second round like I knew they would than after they get passed the Clippers they will be playing in the Conference Finals just like Greg Anthony Boldly Predicted.
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say he doesnt reach jordans status,will Kobe go down as the 2nd best player to ever play the game?
Usually they rank them as Guards and C/PF, but yes Kobe will be the 2nd best guard even if he doesnt win another title. Let's not kid ourselves though, the reason Kobe has accomplished more at 27 than Jordan at 27 is because of some dude they had at Center a few years back. Jordan was given the role of leader out of college, so he's never been a sidekick. Imagine if Jordan had a dominant Center before 1991? Anyhow, Jordan still got his title at 27 with him being the leader, Kobe hasn't done that and is barely in the process of that. Also, Jordan's year at 27 is still better than Kobe's 2006, Jordan was much more efficient.
I'm sorry, but that's wrong. Jordan never took a team with starters that would be in the NBDL if it wasn't for him and made them a dangerous team, as Kobe has this year. Jordan always had Pippen, even without Jordan, the Bulls were strong in the playoffs...As for Jordan being more efficient...You could look at Jordan the wrong way and get called for a foul. Kobe doesn't get that respect from the refs, he gets pounded when he takes it in without calls, and with the new zone-defense rule, that has him settling for a lot more jump-shots...And like I've pointed out numerous times, Jordan only has a higher FG% because he didn't take NEARLY as many three's as Kobe, which obviously drops your percentage...Like I said, we'll see when it's all said and done. ;)
-Jordan was still #1, Pippen was still #2...Jordan was still the most important piece.
-So is it Jordan's fault that he's just smarter than Kobe then? If Kobe knows that him shooting 3s hurt him more than help, then why doesn't he change his approach? By the time he changes his approach, he won't be able to drive to the basket as often and thanks to that his efficiency when it comes to FGs will still be lower.
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they will be playing in the Conference Finals just like Greg Anthony Sccit Boldly Predicted.
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Lol WTF , find one post in which I diss Jordan , he's the GOAT .... you have no argument to justify the hate towards kobe that's it
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Fuck people like Javy who try to take away from Kobe's greatness b/c he played with Shaq.
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Lol WTF , find one post in which I diss Jordan , he's the GOAT .... you have no argument to justify the hate towards kobe that's it
Re-read what I wrote. I never accused you of that.
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Fuck people like Javy who try to take away from Kobe's greatness b/c he played with Shaq.
Fuck You for being an ignorant basketball fan.
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say he doesnt reach jordans status,will Kobe go down as the 2nd best player to ever play the game?
Usually they rank them as Guards and C/PF, but yes Kobe will be the 2nd best guard even if he doesnt win another title. Let's not kid ourselves though, the reason Kobe has accomplished more at 27 than Jordan at 27 is because of some dude they had at Center a few years back. Jordan was given the role of leader out of college, so he's never been a sidekick. Imagine if Jordan had a dominant Center before 1991? Anyhow, Jordan still got his title at 27 with him being the leader, Kobe hasn't done that and is barely in the process of that. Also, Jordan's year at 27 is still better than Kobe's 2006, Jordan was much more efficient.
I'm sorry, but that's wrong. Jordan never took a team with starters that would be in the NBDL if it wasn't for him and made them a dangerous team, as Kobe has this year. Jordan always had Pippen, even without Jordan, the Bulls were strong in the playoffs...As for Jordan being more efficient...You could look at Jordan the wrong way and get called for a foul. Kobe doesn't get that respect from the refs, he gets pounded when he takes it in without calls, and with the new zone-defense rule, that has him settling for a lot more jump-shots...And like I've pointed out numerous times, Jordan only has a higher FG% because he didn't take NEARLY as many three's as Kobe, which obviously drops your percentage...Like I said, we'll see when it's all said and done. ;)
-Jordan was still #1, Pippen was still #2...Jordan was still the most important piece.
-So is it Jordan's fault that he's just smarter than Kobe then? If Kobe knows that him shooting 3s hurt him more than help, then why doesn't he change his approach? By the time he changes his approach, he won't be able to drive to the basket as often and thanks to that his efficiency when it comes to FGs will still be lower.
What the hell are you saying? Shooting threes doesn't hurt Kobe, he has a good percantage (35%). Jordan was never any good at shooting from long-range (one of his few weaknesses, which happens to be a Kobe strength), so he took very few threes. The fact that Kobe IS a good three point shooter means he WILL take more threes. Now, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that a player who shoots more threes will have a lower shooting percentage overall, because if you're shooting in the 30's percentage-wise from downtown, then that's considered good. In no way does that hurt Kobe though, because a three counts for more points, and Kobe can hit them like Jordan never could...I don't understand why you think that hurts him? Is shooting threes supposed to be a weakness? Cuz shooting threes WILL lower your overall shooting percentage, no matter who you are...PeACe
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I'll take the opinion of NBA Researchers over you, sorry.
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I'll take the opinion of NBA Researchers over you, sorry.
NBA Reserearchers say Nash is MVP. :-X
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I'll take the opinion of NBA Researchers over you, sorry.
NBA Reserearchers say Nash is MVP. :-X
Wrong, that's the media. The NBA Researchers that I read don't get to vote. They have 8-9 players ahead of Nash for the MVP
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I'll take the opinion of NBA Researchers over you, sorry.
NBA Reserearchers say Nash is MVP. :-X
Wrong, that's the media. The NBA Researchers that I read don't get to vote. They have 8-9 players ahead of Nash for the MVP
I AM an NBA Researcher... 8)
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I'll take the opinion of NBA Researchers over you, sorry.
NBA Reserearchers say Nash is MVP. :-X
Wrong, that's the media. The NBA Researchers that I read don't get to vote. They have 8-9 players ahead of Nash for the MVP
like who?
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Who's ahead of Nash?
Dirk, Kobe, Wade, Garnett, Iverson, Brand, Pierce, Arenas, Marion, and you can make a case for Billups over him.
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Who's ahead of Nash?
Dirk, Kobe, Wade, Garnett, Iverson, Brand, Pierce, Arenas, Marion, and you can make a case for Billups over him.
I think he means which NBA Researcher...
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Ed Peterson, Rosenbaum, Oliver, Hollinger and others.
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Kobe´s great no doubt, but why not wait another couple of years and see if he keeps this up. in terms of playing Kobe might be better then MJ but would Kobe be playin this way if MJ wouldn´t have revolutionized basketball? probably not, but if Kobe can keep this up for 5 more years then he´s one of the best athletes of his generation(and i´m talkin about all sports).
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I won't say calling Kobe the GOAT is absurd like I did before but you'll need to wait a few years to make such a bold assertion. You still have the legacy of Kareem, Magic, Bird and Jordan and Kobe hasn't gotten there yet. In order for Kobe to be mentioned in the same breath as those guys will be if he wins at least another title as the undisputed leader of the team. He needs to do that before he can be mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats. Is he the best player out there right now? Yes. Is he the best of all time? There's no way you can say that at this current time.
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lmao@kobe being the GOAT.
he's a great player no doubt but better than Jordan? once again you Kobe dick riders fail to amaze me.
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i think i just busted in my pants ;D
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kobe is great, but the greatEST? addicted to beef, you only come out wen the lakers win. fagggggg
how can the GOAT have 0 Finals MVP titles?
kobe will tell you himself that 23 is the greatest.
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Once again, Kobe is right on track to being the greatest when he retires. Remember, he's just now entering his prime and has done things Jordan never has. It'd be more absurd to say Kobe doesn't have a chance to be better...PeACe
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i think i just busted in my pants ;D
it wouldn't have anything to do with the lovely but yet beautiful Tila Nguyen in my sig, would it?? lol
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Kobe is just getting started, its scary that he's playing at this level at 27. I almost feel sorry for these cats that have to play against him when he reaches 32.
I hate how cats get offended when theres a Kobe/Jordan comparision, but they love it when people say Lebron is the next MJ or Lebron is better than Kobe.
Kobe is the Ice Cube of basketball..."the nigga you love to hate"
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Jordan's rings at 27 = 0
Kobe's rings at 27 = 3 (and running..)
Fucking haters..
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Jordan's rings at 27 = 0
Kobe's rings at 27 = 3 (and running..)
Fucking haters..
kobe also had shaq.... jordan had... charles oakley
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Jordan's rings at 27 = 0
Kobe's rings at 27 = 3 (and running..)
Fucking haters..
once again....Shaq had those 3 MVP trophies.....Jordan never played in a final where he did not win the MVP. You cant say that without Shaq, Kobe would have led the Lakers to the title in those years.....He woulda been the same or worse off than Jordan was up to the 1990 season. Kobe is lucky he got those rings when Shaq was around. He may have another chance later in his career for a ring, but as of now, the Lakers are not a power team in the west.
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Jordan's rings at 27 = 0
Kobe's rings at 27 = 3 (and running..)
Fucking haters..
kobe also had shaq.... jordan had... charles oakley
Charles Oakley? How about Scottie Pippen, who was a MUCH harder worker than Shaq ever was. If only Shaq tried half as hard as Kobe, we'd be talking about a 6peat+. Shaq wishes he had Kobe right now instead of Wade, we all know he's thinking that in his head with what's happening in Miami...Bottom line, Kobe's on track to being the greatest, like I said. Finals MVP don't mean shit, they always gave it to Shaq cuz of his reputation for being "the most dominant", but everyone knows Kobe carried Shaq through plenty of games in the NBA Finals. The scariest thing of all, Kobe is just now beginning! I can't even imagine what he'd do leading a team where all 5 starters were experienced and established NBA players...PeACe
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Jordan's rings at 27 = 0
Kobe's rings at 27 = 3 (and running..)
Fucking haters..
kobe also had shaq.... jordan had... charles oakley
Charles Oakley? How about Scottie Pippen, who was a MUCH harder worker than Shaq ever was. If only Shaq tried half as hard as Kobe, we'd be talking about a 6peat+. Shaq wishes he had Kobe right now instead of Wade, we all know he's thinking that in his head with what's happening in Miami...Bottom line, Kobe's on track to being the greatest, like I said. Finals MVP don't mean shit, they always gave it to Shaq cuz of his reputation for being "the most dominant", but everyone knows Kobe carried Shaq through plenty of games in the NBA Finals. The scariest thing of all, Kobe is just now beginning! I can't even imagine what he'd do leading a team where all 5 starters were experienced and established NBA players...PeACe
Pippen didnt come around till jordan was 24 years old. Pippen didnt become the pippen we all knew till about his 3rd season. And regardless as a 25 year old year leader and a pippen in his 2nd year jordan still took the bulls to the eastern conference finals. Jordans good supporting cast didnt really get established untill the 89-90 season. Kobe on the other hand had one of the most dominating players of all time by his side while the best player jordan has during those year was charles oakley. I dont care how hard much harder pippen worked. He was no where near the dominating player shaq was.
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Jordan's rings at 27 = 0
Kobe's rings at 27 = 3 (and running..)
Fucking haters..
kobe also had shaq.... jordan had... charles oakley
Charles Oakley? How about Scottie Pippen, who was a MUCH harder worker than Shaq ever was. If only Shaq tried half as hard as Kobe, we'd be talking about a 6peat+. Shaq wishes he had Kobe right now instead of Wade, we all know he's thinking that in his head with what's happening in Miami...Bottom line, Kobe's on track to being the greatest, like I said. Finals MVP don't mean shit, they always gave it to Shaq cuz of his reputation for being "the most dominant", but everyone knows Kobe carried Shaq through plenty of games in the NBA Finals. The scariest thing of all, Kobe is just now beginning! I can't even imagine what he'd do leading a team where all 5 starters were experienced and established NBA players...PeACe
Pippen didnt come around till jordan was 24 years old. Pippen didnt become the pippen we all knew till about his 3rd season. And regardless as a 25 year old year leader and a pippen in his 2nd year jordan still took the bulls to the eastern conference finals. Jordans good supporting cast didnt really get established untill the 89-90 season. Kobe on the other hand had one of the most dominating players of all time by his side while the best player jordan has during those year was charles oakley. I dont care how hard much harder pippen worked. He was no where near the dominating player shaq was.
That's why Jordan never had rings until Pippen became an established superstar himself. LOL. Kobe is in the runnings to get a ring with him being the ONLY established superstar on the team, which is why people are saying he MAY be better when his career is all said and done...Get it yet?
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That's why Jordan never had rings until Pippen became an established superstar himself. LOL. Kobe is in the runnings to get a ring with him being the ONLY established superstar on the team, which is why people are saying he MAY be better when his career is all said and done...Get it yet?
I agree 100% with THIS staement...Kobe in my opinion is goin to be playing in the Western Conference Finals with no other superstar. Lamar Odom is a very good player but he is not a established superstar yet. Keep in mind that some people didn't have Lakers making the playoffs before the season started.
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yea man, I don't think Kobe is the greatest, at least not yet, cuz u can't say so til it's all done
but the biggest mistake people make about Jordan is that they don't give Pippen credit and his name rarely comes up
if it weren't for Pippen, Jordan wouldn't have won, and ask anyone who KNOWS basketball and they'll agree
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i think i just busted in my pants ;D
it wouldn't have anything to do with the lovely but yet beautiful Tila Nguyen in my sig, would it?? lol
nah it didnt. i bust in my pants all the time :loopaper:
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i think i just busted in my pants ;D
it wouldn't have anything to do with the lovely but yet beautiful Tila Nguyen in my sig, would it?? lol
nah it didnt. i bust in my pants all the time :loopaper:
lol (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/Themes/dubcc/images/post/thumbup.gif)
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the whole beef with this fucking thread is saying he IS the G.O.A.T. not the fact that he could be
maybe he will be, but he aint. not right now, not yet.
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yea man, I don't think Kobe is the greatest, at least not yet, cuz u can't say so til it's all done
but the biggest mistake people make about Jordan is that they don't give Pippen credit and his name rarely comes up
if it weren't for Pippen, Jordan wouldn't have won, and ask anyone who KNOWS basketball and they'll agree
ya but if it wasnt Pippen, than it would have been someone else....Dont forget that Jordan made Pippen a better player too, but thats neither here or there...
what am I doing replying to this thread again ??? :eh:
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The thing is laker fans, kobe has yet to get to the conference by himself yet. Jordan did it twice with argubly less talent. And laker fans you say jordan had pippen. Kobe had Shaq. We know you guys hate Shaq but give the man his credit. He will be the most physically dominating player we will ever see. Pippen aint seeing Shaq on how he completely changed the game.
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what am I doing replying to this thread again ??? :eh:
coz u hate seeing blind, stupid ppl getting the last word in?
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The thing is laker fans, kobe has yet to get to the conference by himself yet. Jordan did it twice with argubly less talent. And laker fans you say jordan had pippen. Kobe had Shaq. We know you guys hate Shaq but give the man his credit. He will be the most physically dominating player we will ever see. Pippen aint seeing Shaq on how he completely changed the game.
I think the only reason Laker fans use the Pippen to Jordan thing is because whenever someone says somethin good about Kobe in that regard people always bring up Shaq.... so I think that's kinda different rather than Laker fans saying the Jordan Pippen thing first
and I do agree that it's kinda farfetched to make a thread like this, I'm just trying to think common sense wise, it's just that some people are hyped about what the Lakers are doing because no one expected it, so people get excited and do stuff like that
I on the other hand, I haven't even once said that they really have won this fuckin series with PHX, it's not over til it's over and everyone who knows sports should know that, as a big fan I think they have the advantage and will most likely win, but never say somethin's a lock
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The thing is laker fans, kobe has yet to get to the conference by himself yet. Jordan did it twice with argubly less talent. And laker fans you say jordan had pippen. Kobe had Shaq. We know you guys hate Shaq but give the man his credit. He will be the most physically dominating player we will ever see. Pippen aint seeing Shaq on how he completely changed the game.
Yea, but Kobe was winning titles with Shaq in his early 20's. Not just as a role player, as 1 of 2 superstars on the team, just like with Jordan and Pippen. And Kobe is just NOW entering his prime, do you get that yet? The team Kobe is playing with right now is way less experienced than any team Jordan ever had. And Kobe has a really good chance at getting them to the conefernce finals...Just wait and see. We all will...
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it's not over til it's over and everyone who knows sports should know that, as a big fan I think they have the advantage and will most likely win, but never say somethin's a lock
I agree, but I like shitting all over Phoenix, because they're a bunch of soft bitches...
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maybe he will be, but he aint. not right now, not yet.
thats true. but like ive said 1,000,000 times before - dont hate him because people compare him to the greats
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The thing is laker fans, kobe has yet to get to the conference by himself yet. Jordan did it twice with argubly less talent. And laker fans you say jordan had pippen. Kobe had Shaq. We know you guys hate Shaq but give the man his credit. He will be the most physically dominating player we will ever see. Pippen aint seeing Shaq on how he completely changed the game.
Yea, but Kobe was winning titles with Shaq in his early 20's. Not just as a role player, as 1 of 2 superstars on the team, just like with Jordan and Pippen. And Kobe is just NOW entering his prime, do you get that yet? The team Kobe is playing with right now is way less experienced than any team Jordan ever had. And Kobe has a really good chance at getting them to the conefernce finals...Just wait and see. We all will...
but kobe wouldn't have won shit without shaq, kobe's a great player no doubt about it but you guys give him too much credit for those 3 rings. Jordan took the Bulls to the playoffs every year after his 2nd year in the league. Did you see the Bulls roster before Jordan was drafted??? it was terrible and to everyone's amazement MJ, single handed turn that franchise around in his first season. And to compare Pippen to Shaq is the dumbest thing ever, i know you're a kobe dick rider but damn Shaq was a fuckin monster back in his prime. Shaq is still the man in LA, love 'em or hate 'em if he was still there and performing at his best you'll be riding his dick rather than Kobes. and stop using Jordan at 27 = 0 rings, i never knew winning 3 rings by 27 makes you the greatest i thought it was combination of individual performance/winning. Lets compare stats now by age of 27
Jordan at 27
YEAR GP AVG
84-85 82 28.2
85-86 18 22.7
86-87 82 37.1
87-88 82 35.0
88-89 81 32.5
89-90 82 33.6
Playoff (by age 27) 36.1
Kobe at 27
96-97 LAL 71 7.6
97-98 LAL 79 15.4
98-99 LAL 50 19.9
99-00 LAL 66 22.5
00-01 LAL 68 28.5
01-02 LAL 80 25.2
02-03 LAL 82 30.0
03-04 LAL 65 24.0
04-05 LAL 66 27.6
05-06 LAL 80 35.4
Playoff 22.7
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^ lol oh yeah thats much more fair, compare kobe's career to mj's. kobe started as a bench player and worked his way up to where he is right now.
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this thread will go on 4ever.
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^ lol oh yeah thats much more fair, compare kobe's career to mj's. kobe started as a bench player and worked his way up to where he is right now.
true but everyone compares kobes 3 rings to jordan's 0 rings by the age of 27 but jordan never had Shaq on his team, so i'm guessing that is a fair comparison?
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The thing is laker fans, kobe has yet to get to the conference by himself yet. Jordan did it twice with argubly less talent. And laker fans you say jordan had pippen. Kobe had Shaq. We know you guys hate Shaq but give the man his credit. He will be the most physically dominating player we will ever see. Pippen aint seeing Shaq on how he completely changed the game.
Yea, but Kobe was winning titles with Shaq in his early 20's. Not just as a role player, as 1 of 2 superstars on the team, just like with Jordan and Pippen. And Kobe is just NOW entering his prime, do you get that yet? The team Kobe is playing with right now is way less experienced than any team Jordan ever had. And Kobe has a really good chance at getting them to the conefernce finals...Just wait and see. We all will...
but kobe wouldn't have won shit without shaq, kobe's a great player no doubt about it but you guys give him too much credit for those 3 rings. Jordan took the Bulls to the playoffs every year after his 2nd year in the league. Did you see the Bulls roster before Jordan was drafted??? it was terrible and to everyone's amazement MJ, single handed turn that franchise around in his first season. And to compare Pippen to Shaq is the dumbest thing ever, i know you're a kobe dick rider but damn Shaq was a fuckin monster back in his prime. Shaq is still the man in LA, love 'em or hate 'em if he was still there and performing at his best you'll be riding his dick rather than Kobes. and stop using Jordan at 27 = 0 rings, i never knew winning 3 rings by 27 makes you the greatest i thought it was combination of individual performance/winning. Lets compare stats now by age of 27
Jordan at 27
YEAR GP AVG
84-85 82 28.2
85-86 18 22.7
86-87 82 37.1
87-88 82 35.0
88-89 81 32.5
89-90 82 33.6
Playoff (by age 27) 36.1
Kobe at 27
96-97 LAL 71 7.6
97-98 LAL 79 15.4
98-99 LAL 50 19.9
99-00 LAL 66 22.5
00-01 LAL 68 28.5
01-02 LAL 80 25.2
02-03 LAL 82 30.0
03-04 LAL 65 24.0
04-05 LAL 66 27.6
05-06 LAL 80 35.4
Playoff 22.7
You're a dumb muthafucka. Shaq wouldn't have won shit without Kobe, look at his situation with Wade, we KNOW he's wishing it was Kobe at his side carrying him through games and closing out 4th quarters instead of Wade. Shaq hasn't shown any dominance without Kobe's cluth play and winner attitude to carry them along. Bottom line is, Jordan wouldn't have won any rings without Pippen in the same sense that Kobe wouldn't have won rings without Shaq. But now Kobe has a chance to win rings without Shaq, where as Jordan couldn't win rings by himself, which is why, once again, people say Kobe has a great chance of surpassing Jordan. And don't even try comparing stats from early years, cuz we all know Kobe's situation straight out of high school...Like I keep saying, we'll see...
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Like i said before Kobe is just starting his Legacy which is a scary thing to think about.KOBE may not be the GOAT as of right now but he is the only MOTHERFUCKER that has a legitament chance to reach or maybe surpass MJ status as the GOAT.You cannot say that Kobe/Shaq or Jordan/Pippen didnt win a championship without one another thats just stupid.For 1 Shaq never won a title without Kobe and 2 pippen never won 1 without Jordan so that argument is pointless.Now in my eyes i think if Kobe can get 1 more ring with a Shaqless team that will put him with MJs legacy no doubt about it or even greater.Kobe doesnt get the MJ referee treatment yet but that may change when the everyone relizes that Kobe is a special player in our generation.That being said i honestly think Kobe will get at least 1 more ring before his career is over.
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lets make this simple lol....
right now is Kobe the GOAT? no...Jordan is..and considered by many....thats plain and simple
and im not really the biggest laker fan (I like them but, dont pay THAT much attention, even tho their games are cool to watch) but I've respected what they have done....I see the team and Kobe neutrally...I dont hate against him at all, because he is indeed an amazing player.
Now, does Kobe have the potential to be the GOAT? yes he does, but will he be? we don't know that yet, only time will tell,
but compared to other people in the NBA, he does have the most potential by a considerate amount to take that role
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lets make this simple lol....
right now is Kobe the GOAT? no...Jordan is..and considered by many....thats plain and simple
and im not really the biggest laker fan (I like them but, dont pay THAT much attention, even tho their games are cool to watch) but I've respected what they have done....I see the team and Kobe neutrally...I dont hate against him at all, because he is indeed an amazing player.
Now, does Kobe have the potential to be the GOAT? yes he does, but will he be? we don't know that yet, only time will tell,
but compared to other people in the NBA, he does have the most potential by a considerate amount to take that role
well said
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lets make this simple lol....
right now is Kobe the GOAT? no...Jordan is..and considered by many....thats plain and simple
and im not really the biggest laker fan (I like them but, dont pay THAT much attention, even tho their games are cool to watch) but I've respected what they have done....I see the team and Kobe neutrally...I dont hate against him at all, because he is indeed an amazing player.
Now, does Kobe have the potential to be the GOAT? yes he does, but will he be? we don't know that yet, only time will tell,
but compared to other people in the NBA, he does have the most potential by a considerate amount to take that role
well said
...and it's what we've been saying in so many words.
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The thing is laker fans, kobe has yet to get to the conference by himself yet. Jordan did it twice with argubly less talent. And laker fans you say jordan had pippen. Kobe had Shaq. We know you guys hate Shaq but give the man his credit. He will be the most physically dominating player we will ever see. Pippen aint seeing Shaq on how he completely changed the game.
Yea, but Kobe was winning titles with Shaq in his early 20's. Not just as a role player, as 1 of 2 superstars on the team, just like with Jordan and Pippen. And Kobe is just NOW entering his prime, do you get that yet? The team Kobe is playing with right now is way less experienced than any team Jordan ever had. And Kobe has a really good chance at getting them to the conefernce finals...Just wait and see. We all will...
but kobe wouldn't have won shit without shaq, kobe's a great player no doubt about it but you guys give him too much credit for those 3 rings. Jordan took the Bulls to the playoffs every year after his 2nd year in the league. Did you see the Bulls roster before Jordan was drafted??? it was terrible and to everyone's amazement MJ, single handed turn that franchise around in his first season. And to compare Pippen to Shaq is the dumbest thing ever, i know you're a kobe dick rider but damn Shaq was a fuckin monster back in his prime. Shaq is still the man in LA, love 'em or hate 'em if he was still there and performing at his best you'll be riding his dick rather than Kobes. and stop using Jordan at 27 = 0 rings, i never knew winning 3 rings by 27 makes you the greatest i thought it was combination of individual performance/winning. Lets compare stats now by age of 27
Jordan at 27
YEAR GP AVG
84-85 82 28.2
85-86 18 22.7
86-87 82 37.1
87-88 82 35.0
88-89 81 32.5
89-90 82 33.6
Playoff (by age 27) 36.1
Kobe at 27
96-97 LAL 71 7.6
97-98 LAL 79 15.4
98-99 LAL 50 19.9
99-00 LAL 66 22.5
00-01 LAL 68 28.5
01-02 LAL 80 25.2
02-03 LAL 82 30.0
03-04 LAL 65 24.0
04-05 LAL 66 27.6
05-06 LAL 80 35.4
Playoff 22.7
You're a dumb muthafucka. Shaq wouldn't have won shit without Kobe, look at his situation with Wade, we KNOW he's wishing it was Kobe at his side carrying him through games and closing out 4th quarters instead of Wade. Shaq hasn't shown any dominance without Kobe's cluth play and winner attitude to carry them along. Bottom line is, Jordan wouldn't have won any rings without Pippen in the same sense that Kobe wouldn't have won rings without Shaq. But now Kobe has a chance to win rings without Shaq, where as Jordan couldn't win rings by himself, which is why, once again, people say Kobe has a great chance of surpassing Jordan. And don't even try comparing stats from early years, cuz we all know Kobe's situation straight out of high school...Like I keep saying, we'll see...
well you like comparing kobe's early rings with jordan's 0 rings, so why not compare stats by age 27? Shaq could have won a championship without kobe, he had made it to the finals with the Magic way before the lakers and i'm pretty sure Eddie Jones and Shaq could have at least won 1 championship.
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There is no way the lakers would have won a ring with eddie jones becuase he was to inconsitent just like van excel.
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and sorry to piss some of you off, but Jordan is not the GOAT. check out Whilt Chamberlain and Oscar Robertson's numbers then holla @ me.
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and sorry to piss some of you off, but Jordan is not the GOAT. check out Whilt Chamberlain and Oscar Robertson's numbers then holla @ me.
Yea, that's a very good comparison. They practically played during the same time, so it's tottally fair to compare. I mean, shit. Wilt averaged like 50 rebounds a season, Jordan only like 6. Not that the game was any different back then.
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The thing is laker fans, kobe has yet to get to the conference by himself yet. Jordan did it twice with argubly less talent. And laker fans you say jordan had pippen. Kobe had Shaq. We know you guys hate Shaq but give the man his credit. He will be the most physically dominating player we will ever see. Pippen aint seeing Shaq on how he completely changed the game.
Yea, but Kobe was winning titles with Shaq in his early 20's. Not just as a role player, as 1 of 2 superstars on the team, just like with Jordan and Pippen. And Kobe is just NOW entering his prime, do you get that yet? The team Kobe is playing with right now is way less experienced than any team Jordan ever had. And Kobe has a really good chance at getting them to the conefernce finals...Just wait and see. We all will...
but kobe wouldn't have won shit without shaq, kobe's a great player no doubt about it but you guys give him too much credit for those 3 rings. Jordan took the Bulls to the playoffs every year after his 2nd year in the league. Did you see the Bulls roster before Jordan was drafted??? it was terrible and to everyone's amazement MJ, single handed turn that franchise around in his first season. And to compare Pippen to Shaq is the dumbest thing ever, i know you're a kobe dick rider but damn Shaq was a fuckin monster back in his prime. Shaq is still the man in LA, love 'em or hate 'em if he was still there and performing at his best you'll be riding his dick rather than Kobes. and stop using Jordan at 27 = 0 rings, i never knew winning 3 rings by 27 makes you the greatest i thought it was combination of individual performance/winning. Lets compare stats now by age of 27
Jordan at 27
YEAR GP AVG
84-85 82 28.2
85-86 18 22.7
86-87 82 37.1
87-88 82 35.0
88-89 81 32.5
89-90 82 33.6
Playoff (by age 27) 36.1
Kobe at 27
96-97 LAL 71 7.6
97-98 LAL 79 15.4
98-99 LAL 50 19.9
99-00 LAL 66 22.5
00-01 LAL 68 28.5
01-02 LAL 80 25.2
02-03 LAL 82 30.0
03-04 LAL 65 24.0
04-05 LAL 66 27.6
05-06 LAL 80 35.4
Playoff 22.7
You're a dumb muthafucka. Shaq wouldn't have won shit without Kobe, look at his situation with Wade, we KNOW he's wishing it was Kobe at his side carrying him through games and closing out 4th quarters instead of Wade. Shaq hasn't shown any dominance without Kobe's cluth play and winner attitude to carry them along. Bottom line is, Jordan wouldn't have won any rings without Pippen in the same sense that Kobe wouldn't have won rings without Shaq. But now Kobe has a chance to win rings without Shaq, where as Jordan couldn't win rings by himself, which is why, once again, people say Kobe has a great chance of surpassing Jordan. And don't even try comparing stats from early years, cuz we all know Kobe's situation straight out of high school...Like I keep saying, we'll see...
well you like comparing kobe's early rings with jordan's 0 rings, so why not compare stats by age 27? Shaq could have won a championship without kobe, he had made it to the finals with the Magic way before the lakers and i'm pretty sure Eddie Jones and Shaq could have at least won 1 championship.
That's where you're 100% wrong. Shaq couldn't win shit before Kobe, he was the hungriest guy in the league for a ring in the 90's...He couldn't win it with Penny Hardaway, he couldn't win it with Nick Van Exel, he couldn't win it with Eddie Jones, and he couldn't win it with Dwyane Wade...Kobe was the one hitting those huge 4th quarter shots in the finals, basically putting games away for Shaq. Pippen made it to the Western Confrence Finals without Jordan, what's your point? Without Kobe, Shaq doesn't win shit...Kobe was a major key to our 3peat, and you have no fucking clue as to what you're saying...PeACe