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Title: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: coola on May 10, 2006, 01:10:11 AM
oh great teacher, knower of all that is great.

you keep raving on about how muslims are so great, and how christians are evil.

how do you explain the crime rate of muslims in France, of the muslims that are choking the economy by sitting on welfare, and producing more kids because that promises more welfare ?

or is that cool, because islam teaches that if a muslim is in a non-muslim country, they deserve preferential treatment.

tell me oh great knowledgable one, why is it muslim parents in France, support their children dealing drugs ?

the way you speak about muslims and arabs, i just dont know what to say to it. i dont think they are good or bad, personally i think we're all just about the same. it's only racists that think otherwise. and you, infinite, are a racist.
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: h cottie is bac-tive? on May 10, 2006, 02:09:38 AM
as long as a Jew, Christian, Catholic, or Muslim is true to their religion and follows the right path. they will be taken care of in the after-life.
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: h cottie is bac-tive? on May 10, 2006, 02:10:41 AM
btw where the hell do you read this shit. there is no way you just thought of this french issue.
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Don Rizzle on May 10, 2006, 03:22:02 AM
btw where the hell do you read this shit. there is no way you just thought of this french issue.
Yea britain has the same problem too
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: coola on May 10, 2006, 05:13:12 AM
btw where the hell do you read this shit. there is no way you just thought of this french issue.

i lived in France for a while. A good majority of Muslims there fuck shit up for the fuck of it. Go see Marseille, walk past a group of Muslims at night, see if they dont bug you for some shit.
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Kassem on May 10, 2006, 06:07:04 AM
i don't know about france. but how do u explain cairo which has a high unemployement rate ,high povetry line 20 billion people living and one of the lowest crime rates for an urban city
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Don Rizzle on May 10, 2006, 06:15:33 AM
^^^high security....they give tourists police escorts n shit
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Kassem on May 10, 2006, 06:21:11 AM
you must be dumb if u think egypt has high security thats only for forigners ,police don't give a fuck avout citizens.
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Kassem on May 10, 2006, 06:23:13 AM
egyptian police better than the british and french then
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: coola on May 10, 2006, 08:13:05 AM
^^^high security....they give tourists police escorts n shit

we didnt have a police escort.

but most of the people in egypt have enough sense to know the tourists feed them... plus i presume punishment is more intese for crimes against tourists... generally i didnt feel 'easy' in egypt, but there were no problems.

i don't know about france. but how do u explain cairo which has a high unemployement rate ,high povetry line 20 billion people living and one of the lowest crime rates for an urban city

wait a minute, a muslim city has high crime rate and povert !?!?! NOOOO WAY, dont tell infinite, his head will explode.
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Don Rizzle on May 10, 2006, 08:35:33 AM
I just read that back 20 billiion people live cairo LMAO funny how there are only 6 billion people in the entire world
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Kassem on May 10, 2006, 11:01:20 AM
shit i meant 20 mill don't change the subject
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: coola on May 10, 2006, 06:18:00 PM
LOL yeah its 20 mil, cairo is a huge city... i actually quite liked it, but it was too humid, and the food made me shit more than i was eating...



Did anyone notice how that try-hard muslim freak avoided this topic ?
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Kassem on May 10, 2006, 06:21:54 PM
wat did u eat in cairo
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Kassem on May 10, 2006, 06:22:59 PM
i think its all about were u grew up and ur influences
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Diabolical on May 10, 2006, 06:40:14 PM
I don't think Infinite is responsible for all Muslims around the world.

And how does anyone explain the amount of Christians who kill, rape, steal or deal drugs? Or how about Americans, are they responsible for their rapists, or Australia, Britan, France or Norway?

Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Kassem on May 10, 2006, 08:20:23 PM
most of these muslims in france and britian don't represent islam, and if u wanna go this path wat about all the crimes in america. 50 cent puts a cross from that i get christianinty is about drugs ,shooting and bling .
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: h cottie is bac-tive? on May 10, 2006, 09:38:16 PM
one of the lowest crime rates for an urban city

wait a minute, a muslim city has high crime rate and povert !?!?! NOOOO WAY, dont tell infinite, his head will explode.
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: coola on May 11, 2006, 01:45:08 AM
Man the point of this thread, was to address Infinite in how he blindly thinks Islam, and all it's people are perfect.

What tipped this over the edge, was when Infinite was saying that Arabs and Africans lived in peace and harmony, and developed a 'beautiful' relationship. And when white people colonised, all they achieved was famine and disease.

I'm not saying white people didnt fuck shit up, but he better not spread bullshit saying arabs are so innocent and peaceful. What infinite chose to ignore, in his post, was histories second biggest genocide.

Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: coola on May 11, 2006, 01:49:54 AM
and from what i saw in Cairo, all the military presense, i'm surprised it's so safe. Why would they need armed MP at each street corner ?

and don rizzle, coming to think of it, we did have a police escort, but onle when we travelled in a convoy from Hurgada to Cairo... they decided to increase security on these convoys because of that shooting 10 years back, where a bus got shot up with AK's.
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Kassem on May 11, 2006, 06:25:08 AM
i am not talking about tourist sfaety . am talking about ghettos in egypt are safe.i wouldn't be scared to walk in any place in egypt. and about turks well they are white muslims not arabs. and a lot of armenians escaped to the arab world after the genocide.
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: nibs on May 11, 2006, 10:51:27 AM
Man the point of this thread, was to address Infinite in how he blindly thinks Islam, and all it's people are perfect.

What tipped this over the edge, was when Infinite was saying that Arabs and Africans lived in peace and harmony, and developed a 'beautiful' relationship. And when white people colonised, all they achieved was famine and disease.

I'm not saying white people didnt fuck shit up, but he better not spread bullshit saying arabs are so innocent and peaceful. What infinite chose to ignore, in his post, was histories second biggest genocide.


where did infinite say that?  wasn't there a recent thread about the arab slave trade in north east africa?  the reason egypt is predominantly arab now, or an arab african blend, (especially norther egypt) is that it was conquered, enslaved...etc.

a) you miss the point of that infinite was saying.  he was critiquing self-destructive cultures and values, and pointing out how those values were contradictory to the teachings of islam.  noone has ever denied that point; people have only pointed out (best illustrated by rod) that even within the muslim world there isn't necessarily this strict adherence to the principles of islam.  even in this light infinite's argument still maintains it's potency;  and could easily be applied to those within the muslim world whose actions are contradictory to the teachings of islam as well.

b) you continue to use arab and muslim interchangeably, when most muslims are not arabs.  much of africa is muslim, africans are not arabs.  south asia, including pakistan, maylasia, afghanistan, indonesia...they also are not arabs.  even in the middle east iran is mostly persian and less than 5% arab.  your insistence on using arab and muslim interchangeably only demonstrates an unfamiliarity with the breadth of the muslim world.

Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Kassem on May 11, 2006, 06:19:27 PM
nibs about egypt. the muslim invasion was welcomed as it allawed the coptic church to function, the byzantine empire were at the time imposing cathiolicism.and country became arabic only by  about 1000  .300 years after that
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Eihtball on May 11, 2006, 07:24:46 PM
50 cent puts a cross from that i get christianinty is about drugs ,shooting and bling .

You do realize 50 Cent's name has its roots in the kabalah system used by the Five-Percent Nation of Islam?
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on May 11, 2006, 07:26:04 PM


You do realize 50 Cent's name has its roots in the kabalah system used by the Five-Percent Nation of Islam?


That's interesting, I'd like to know more, could you explain?
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Eihtball on May 11, 2006, 07:36:01 PM
That's interesting, I'd like to know more, could you explain?

Somebody mentioned it on SOHH a while back.  I don't remember everything, but apparently, it's part of a fortune-telling tradition amongst Five-Percenters that they borrowed from Jewish mysticism...you actually pay 50 cents for a tarot card, so you get your horoscope by saying, "I'll have my 50 cent made today" or something to that effect.  I'm afraid I can't confirm any of this, tho, cause I've never known any Five-Percenters (only NOIers).

I don't mean to imply that I think 50 Cent is a Five-Percenter, however...he just stole his name from an infamous stick-up kid/hustler in Brooklyn.
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on May 11, 2006, 07:47:30 PM


Somebody mentioned it on SOHH a while back.  I don't remember everything, but apparently, it's part of a fortune-telling tradition amongst Five-Percenters that they borrowed from Jewish mysticism...you actually pay 50 cents for a tarot card, so you get your horoscope by saying, "I'll have my 50 cent made today" or something to that effect.  I'm afraid I can't confirm any of this, tho, cause I've never known any Five-Percenters (only NOIers).

I don't mean to imply that I think 50 Cent is a Five-Percenter, however...he just stole his name from an infamous stick-up kid/hustler in Brooklyn.


Interesting, thanks for the info.
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: coola on May 12, 2006, 12:46:53 AM
Man the point of this thread, was to address Infinite in how he blindly thinks Islam, and all it's people are perfect.

What tipped this over the edge, was when Infinite was saying that Arabs and Africans lived in peace and harmony, and developed a 'beautiful' relationship. And when white people colonised, all they achieved was famine and disease.

I'm not saying white people didnt fuck shit up, but he better not spread bullshit saying arabs are so innocent and peaceful. What infinite chose to ignore, in his post, was histories second biggest genocide.


where did infinite say that?  wasn't there a recent thread about the arab slave trade in north east africa?  the reason egypt is predominantly arab now, or an arab african blend, (especially norther egypt) is that it was conquered, enslaved...etc.


do u realise that janjaweed are also black

Arabs have always been a friend to Africans.  Arabs and Africans have a beautiful relationship.  When Arabs came to Africa, the result you see is Empires like the one in Mali headed by Mansa Musa, or the kingdoms that used to exist on the East Coast of Africa in partnership with Southern Arabia.  But since white Christians have entered Africa in the 19th century all you see is death, disease and famine.

basically, infinites cravings to be non-white are evident when he makes ignorant statements like these.

and i keep interchanging between arabs and muslims, because infinite praises not only muslims blindly, but also arabs. if he wants to pick out all the dumbass white people that have existed, maybe he should compare them to the dumbass arabs and muslims ? oh wait, they dont exist, my bad.

let me just add, the arab tour guide we hand in Egypt was a racist piece of shit towards black people, i would be surprised if he didnt hate white people either, but were his bread and butter, he wont brag about that...
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: J Bananas on May 12, 2006, 01:19:12 AM
 boy is a disgrace to the race
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: nibs on May 12, 2006, 02:45:47 AM
Arabs have always been a friend to Africans.  Arabs and Africans have a beautiful relationship.  When Arabs came to Africa, the result you see is Empires like the one in Mali headed by Mansa Musa, or the kingdoms that used to exist on the East Coast of Africa in partnership with Southern Arabia.  But since white Christians have entered Africa in the 19th century all you see is death, disease and famine.

basically, infinites cravings to be non-white are evident when he makes ignorant statements like these.

i don't think it makes sense to ignore the slave trade; clearly the enslaved were not happy with that arrangement.

"arab" typically is loosely defined by language and culture and not strictly as a race or ethnic group.  in that sense, the africans that embraced the arab presence and islam became "fully assimilated" within the arab world.  all of those north african arab states have an ethnic/racial composition that contrasts  with those of saudi arabia (or the arabian penninsula in general).  you don't find that sort of blending and assimilation with the european colonizations.  in that sense there is an argument to be made.  but it seems clear that there have been tensions between africans and arabs, partially along racial lines, and partially along religious lines in the cases where african populations have not embraced islam.  if you look at the darfur, it has been described as arabs vs africans, but most of the africans in the sudan also have african roots whether it be egyptian or nubian.

i don't agree completely with infinite on this issue; but your suggestion that the arab/african relationship has been like european colonization has no basis.  arab culture has been fully embraced by the peoples of many african nations (after being conquered); what former european colony in africa can make the same argument?  you are effectively comparing assimilation into the arab world, with colonization and exploitation by the european world.
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: coola on May 12, 2006, 03:16:57 AM
Arabs have always been a friend to Africans.  Arabs and Africans have a beautiful relationship.  When Arabs came to Africa, the result you see is Empires like the one in Mali headed by Mansa Musa, or the kingdoms that used to exist on the East Coast of Africa in partnership with Southern Arabia.  But since white Christians have entered Africa in the 19th century all you see is death, disease and famine.

basically, infinites cravings to be non-white are evident when he makes ignorant statements like these.

i don't think it makes sense to ignore the slave trade; clearly the enslaved were not happy with that arrangement.

"arab" typically is loosely defined by language and culture and not strictly as a race or ethnic group.  in that sense, the africans that embraced the arab presence and islam became "fully assimilated" within the arab world.  all of those north african arab states have an ethnic/racial composition that contrasts  with those of saudi arabia (or the arabian penninsula in general).  you don't find that sort of blending and assimilation with the european colonizations.  in that sense there is an argument to be made.  but it seems clear that there have been tensions between africans and arabs, partially along racial lines, and partially along religious lines in the cases where african populations have not embraced islam.  if you look at the darfur, it has been described as arabs vs africans, but most of the africans in the sudan also have african roots whether it be egyptian or nubian.

i don't agree completely with infinite on this issue; but your suggestion that the arab/african relationship has been like european colonization has no basis.  arab culture has been fully embraced by the peoples of many african nations (after being conquered); what former european colony in africa can make the same argument?  you are effectively comparing assimilation into the arab world, with colonization and exploitation by the european world.

pfffff watever man. i'm not arguing or comparing shit. all i'm saying is arabs and muslims arent perfect like abdul would like to think.

abdul made the comparison, he said white people caused disease and famine, arabs developed a beautiful relationship. therefor i started this thread.

how many chrisitians are in Africa right now helping tribes ? Have you ever heard of Mother Teresa ?

Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Don Rizzle on May 12, 2006, 03:42:55 AM
Arabs have always been a friend to Africans.  Arabs and Africans have a beautiful relationship.  When Arabs came to Africa, the result you see is Empires like the one in Mali headed by Mansa Musa, or the kingdoms that used to exist on the East Coast of Africa in partnership with Southern Arabia.  But since white Christians have entered Africa in the 19th century all you see is death, disease and famine.

basically, infinites cravings to be non-white are evident when he makes ignorant statements like these.

i don't think it makes sense to ignore the slave trade; clearly the enslaved were not happy with that arrangement.

"arab" typically is loosely defined by language and culture and not strictly as a race or ethnic group.  in that sense, the africans that embraced the arab presence and islam became "fully assimilated" within the arab world.  all of those north african arab states have an ethnic/racial composition that contrasts  with those of saudi arabia (or the arabian penninsula in general).  you don't find that sort of blending and assimilation with the european colonizations.  in that sense there is an argument to be made.  but it seems clear that there have been tensions between africans and arabs, partially along racial lines, and partially along religious lines in the cases where african populations have not embraced islam.  if you look at the darfur, it has been described as arabs vs africans, but most of the africans in the sudan also have african roots whether it be egyptian or nubian.

i don't agree completely with infinite on this issue; but your suggestion that the arab/african relationship has been like european colonization has no basis.  arab culture has been fully embraced by the peoples of many african nations (after being conquered); what former european colony in africa can make the same argument?  you are effectively comparing assimilation into the arab world, with colonization and exploitation by the european world.

pfffff watever man. i'm not arguing or comparing shit. all i'm saying is arabs and muslims arent perfect like abdul would like to think.

abdul made the comparison, he said white people caused disease and famine, arabs developed a beautiful relationship. therefor i started this thread.

how many chrisitians are in Africa right now helping tribes ? Have you ever heard of Mother Teresa ?


chief we are on the same wave length i'd don't believe white people have always acted rightiously, but neither have muslims, arabs, blacks etc. but infinite would prefer to ingore the those aspects. hence he speaks out so strongly about america over throwing sadam in iraq but he thinks it would be a good idea for iran to invade iraq (check my sig).....
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: coola on May 12, 2006, 06:38:44 AM
Arabs have always been a friend to Africans.  Arabs and Africans have a beautiful relationship.  When Arabs came to Africa, the result you see is Empires like the one in Mali headed by Mansa Musa, or the kingdoms that used to exist on the East Coast of Africa in partnership with Southern Arabia.  But since white Christians have entered Africa in the 19th century all you see is death, disease and famine.

basically, infinites cravings to be non-white are evident when he makes ignorant statements like these.

i don't think it makes sense to ignore the slave trade; clearly the enslaved were not happy with that arrangement.

"arab" typically is loosely defined by language and culture and not strictly as a race or ethnic group.  in that sense, the africans that embraced the arab presence and islam became "fully assimilated" within the arab world.  all of those north african arab states have an ethnic/racial composition that contrasts  with those of saudi arabia (or the arabian penninsula in general).  you don't find that sort of blending and assimilation with the european colonizations.  in that sense there is an argument to be made.  but it seems clear that there have been tensions between africans and arabs, partially along racial lines, and partially along religious lines in the cases where african populations have not embraced islam.  if you look at the darfur, it has been described as arabs vs africans, but most of the africans in the sudan also have african roots whether it be egyptian or nubian.

i don't agree completely with infinite on this issue; but your suggestion that the arab/african relationship has been like european colonization has no basis.  arab culture has been fully embraced by the peoples of many african nations (after being conquered); what former european colony in africa can make the same argument?  you are effectively comparing assimilation into the arab world, with colonization and exploitation by the european world.

pfffff watever man. i'm not arguing or comparing shit. all i'm saying is arabs and muslims arent perfect like abdul would like to think.

abdul made the comparison, he said white people caused disease and famine, arabs developed a beautiful relationship. therefor i started this thread.

how many chrisitians are in Africa right now helping tribes ? Have you ever heard of Mother Teresa ?


chief we are on the same wave length i'd don't believe white people have always acted rightiously, but neither have muslims, arabs, blacks etc. but infinite would prefer to ingore the those aspects. hence he speaks out so strongly about america over throwing sadam in iraq but he thinks it would be a good idea for iran to invade iraq (check my sig).....

yep, i still havent read a reply from him when i asked him what he thought about the iraqis that wanted suddam overthrown... i dont think i'll get one either..
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: coola on May 12, 2006, 06:50:58 AM
Arabs have always been a friend to Africans.  Arabs and Africans have a beautiful relationship.  When Arabs came to Africa, the result you see is Empires like the one in Mali headed by Mansa Musa, or the kingdoms that used to exist on the East Coast of Africa in partnership with Southern Arabia.  But since white Christians have entered Africa in the 19th century all you see is death, disease and famine.

basically, infinites cravings to be non-white are evident when he makes ignorant statements like these.

i don't think it makes sense to ignore the slave trade; clearly the enslaved were not happy with that arrangement.

"arab" typically is loosely defined by language and culture and not strictly as a race or ethnic group.  in that sense, the africans that embraced the arab presence and islam became "fully assimilated" within the arab world.  all of those north african arab states have an ethnic/racial composition that contrasts  with those of saudi arabia (or the arabian penninsula in general).  you don't find that sort of blending and assimilation with the european colonizations.  in that sense there is an argument to be made.  but it seems clear that there have been tensions between africans and arabs, partially along racial lines, and partially along religious lines in the cases where african populations have not embraced islam.  if you look at the darfur, it has been described as arabs vs africans, but most of the africans in the sudan also have african roots whether it be egyptian or nubian.

i don't agree completely with infinite on this issue; but your suggestion that the arab/african relationship has been like european colonization has no basis.  arab culture has been fully embraced by the peoples of many african nations (after being conquered); what former european colony in africa can make the same argument?  you are effectively comparing assimilation into the arab world, with colonization and exploitation by the european world.

pfffff watever man. i'm not arguing or comparing shit. all i'm saying is arabs and muslims arent perfect like abdul would like to think.

abdul made the comparison, he said white people caused disease and famine, arabs developed a beautiful relationship. therefor i started this thread.

how many chrisitians are in Africa right now helping tribes ? Have you ever heard of Mother Teresa ?


chief we are on the same wave length i'd don't believe white people have always acted rightiously, but neither have muslims, arabs, blacks etc. but infinite would prefer to ingore the those aspects. hence he speaks out so strongly about america over throwing sadam in iraq but he thinks it would be a good idea for iran to invade iraq (check my sig).....

yep, i still havent read a reply from him when i asked him what he thought about the iraqis that wanted suddam overthrown... i dont think i'll get one either..

i guess it doesnt matter anyway... i know the answer... they are hypocrites and traitors because they want freedom for their children... touche.
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: nibs on May 12, 2006, 08:27:57 AM

pfffff watever man. i'm not arguing or comparing shit. all i'm saying is arabs and muslims arent perfect like abdul would like to think.
abdul made the comparison, he said white people caused disease and famine, arabs developed a beautiful relationship. therefor i started this thread.

i agree with you there.  however, you were comparing shit; and your comparison was flawed.  if you want to say "noone is perfect"; fine i agree with you 100%.  when you start arguing the arab presence was just as bad...the facts don't support that; and the arabs also did some horrific things in the name of islam. 

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how many chrisitians are in Africa right now helping tribes? Have you ever heard of Mother Teresa?

western policies promote disease and famine in africa.  european colonization is largely responsible for much of the disease and famine in africa.  africa as a whole would be better off had the europeans never invaded at all.  the poverty, the disease, the famine in africa can largely be attributed to colonization, creation of fake states, and forcing cash and now market based economies on the people.  mother teresa did not come close to undoing the harm that was done by the europeans (largely in the name of christianity) in general.  one woman cannot undo all of those sins and harms.

ofcourse there are good christians in the world, it is simply not possible to argue that the good christians have balanced out the effects of the bad.  the europeans have spread poverty, and oppression across the globe.  they have annihilated cultures across the globe.  i'll be the first to argue that these evils had nothing to do with the teachings of christ.  but you cannot deny that european committed these evils.  and this was done under the guise of spreading christianity.

 



Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: coola on May 12, 2006, 08:33:14 AM

pfffff watever man. i'm not arguing or comparing shit. all i'm saying is arabs and muslims arent perfect like abdul would like to think.
abdul made the comparison, he said white people caused disease and famine, arabs developed a beautiful relationship. therefor i started this thread.

i agree with you there.  however, you were comparing shit; and your comparison was flawed.  if you want to say "noone is perfect"; fine i agree with you 100%.  when you start arguing the arab presence was just as bad...the facts don't support that; and the arabs also did some horrific things in the name of islam. 

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how many chrisitians are in Africa right now helping tribes? Have you ever heard of Mother Teresa?

western policies promote disease and famine in africa.  european colonization is largely responsible for much of the disease and famine in africa.  africa as a whole would be better off had the europeans never invaded at all.  the poverty, the disease, the famine in africa can largely be attributed to colonization, creation of fake states, and forcing cash and now market based economies on the people.  mother teresa did not come close to undoing the harm that was done by the europeans (largely in the name of christianity) in general.  one woman cannot undo all of those sins and harms.

ofcourse there are good christians in the world, it is simply not possible to argue that the good christians have balanced out the effects of the bad.  the europeans have spread poverty, and oppression across the globe.  they have annihilated cultures across the globe.  i'll be the first to argue that these evils had nothing to do with the teachings of christ.  but you cannot deny that european committed these evils.  and this was done under the guise of spreading christianity.

 





^ when did i deny any of that ?
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: coola on May 12, 2006, 08:34:05 AM

pfffff watever man. i'm not arguing or comparing shit. all i'm saying is arabs and muslims arent perfect like abdul would like to think.
abdul made the comparison, he said white people caused disease and famine, arabs developed a beautiful relationship. therefor i started this thread.

i agree with you there.  however, you were comparing shit; and your comparison was flawed.  if you want to say "noone is perfect"; fine i agree with you 100%.  when you start arguing the arab presence was just as bad...the facts don't support that; and the arabs also did some horrific things in the name of islam. 

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how many chrisitians are in Africa right now helping tribes? Have you ever heard of Mother Teresa?

western policies promote disease and famine in africa.  european colonization is largely responsible for much of the disease and famine in africa.  africa as a whole would be better off had the europeans never invaded at all.  the poverty, the disease, the famine in africa can largely be attributed to colonization, creation of fake states, and forcing cash and now market based economies on the people.  mother teresa did not come close to undoing the harm that was done by the europeans (largely in the name of christianity) in general.  one woman cannot undo all of those sins and harms.

ofcourse there are good christians in the world, it is simply not possible to argue that the good christians have balanced out the effects of the bad.  the europeans have spread poverty, and oppression across the globe.  they have annihilated cultures across the globe.  i'll be the first to argue that these evils had nothing to do with the teachings of christ.  but you cannot deny that european committed these evils.  and this was done under the guise of spreading christianity.

 





^ when did i deny any of that ?

and i'm not agreeing with it either  ;)

lets get one thing strait here. what the westerners did in Africa was wrong. there is no other way around it.

lets think about the mentality in the 19th century. divide and conquer. survival of the fittest. if the whites didnt invade Africa, i can guarantee you a different race would have.

so when will you people realise its not about race ?
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: I TO DA GEEZY on May 13, 2006, 07:15:59 AM
most of these muslims in france and britian don't represent islam

Who does then represent Islam? Could you give examples of Muslim populations that do represent Islam in your opinion?

Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: I TO DA GEEZY on May 13, 2006, 07:25:51 AM
africa as a whole would be better off had the europeans never invaded at all.

Hmmm, Im sorry, have you lived in a parallel universe in which Europeans didn't invade Africa? and in that parallel universe did u conduct a referendum among the Africans, regarding their wellbeing?- I doubt it. Yet you seem so assured.
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: I TO DA GEEZY on May 13, 2006, 07:40:28 AM
if the whites didnt invade Africa, i can guarantee  you a different race would have.

Really?..."GUARANTEE"?!! what kind of an interdimensional devise do u use to travel to parallel universes man? or are you maybe a close friend of the almighty?....."GUARANTEE"....lol...
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: coola on May 13, 2006, 10:28:25 AM
if the whites didnt invade Africa, i can guarantee  you a different race would have.

Really?..."GUARANTEE"?!! what kind of an interdimensional devise do u use to travel to parallel universes man? or are you maybe a close friend of the almighty?....."GUARANTEE"....lol...

there is no way Africa would have been left alone.
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Kassem on May 13, 2006, 10:36:33 AM
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you right.its not about race,its about power,if africans had the military power of europe at that time it would have been the other way around
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: I TO DA GEEZY on May 13, 2006, 10:42:19 AM
there is no way Africa would have been left alone.

"Guarantee", "no way"...wow, Im really impressed...hey, I think you should use this gift you got, the ability to determine the alternative courses of history, to help fix some major problems in the world..

p.s
say hey to the big man
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: coola on May 13, 2006, 10:46:49 AM
there is no way Africa would have been left alone.

"Guarantee", "no way"...wow, Im really impressed...hey, I think you should use this gift you got, the ability to determine the alternative courses of history, to help fix some major problems in the world..

p.s
say hey to the big man

what are you talking about man ? what was on everyones predominant agenda in the 19th century ? power and control.. this ultimately had to include forcing their views on other cultures, because each culture believed theirs was superior and righteous.

isn't that basic ?
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: I TO DA GEEZY on May 13, 2006, 12:40:21 PM
what are you talking about man ? what was on everyones predominant agenda in the 19th century ? power and control.. this ultimately had to include forcing their views on other cultures, because each culture believed theirs was superior and righteous.

isn't that basic ?

Basic?...You're addressing hypothetical circumstances. Hypothetical as in non-existent. You're making a claim history would have taken a certain route under assumed circumstances. What is interesting, is that you seem to be 100% convinced in something that never happent. There is an infinite number of factors that could influence Africa's fate had the circumstances been different even to the slightest extent, from the historical course of occurrence.
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: coola on May 14, 2006, 12:14:49 AM
what are you talking about man ? what was on everyones predominant agenda in the 19th century ? power and control.. this ultimately had to include forcing their views on other cultures, because each culture believed theirs was superior and righteous.

isn't that basic ?

Basic?...You're addressing hypothetical circumstances. Hypothetical as in non-existent. You're making a claim history would have taken a certain route under assumed circumstances. What is interesting, is that you seem to be 100% convinced in something that never happent. There is an infinite number of factors that could influence Africa's fate had the circumstances been different even to the slightest extent, from the historical course of occurrence.

ok, if you want to be that picky about it... there is a real good chance Africa wouldn't have been left alone. happy ?

Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: I TO DA GEEZY on May 14, 2006, 01:02:37 AM
Yeah, such statement is less radical.
Title: Re: quick question for abdul imam..
Post by: Just Another Sunny day in California on May 14, 2006, 01:23:41 AM
what are you talking about man ? what was on everyones predominant agenda in the 19th century ? power and control.. this ultimately had to include forcing their views on other cultures, because each culture believed theirs was superior and righteous.

isn't that basic ?

Basic?...You're addressing hypothetical circumstances. Hypothetical as in non-existent. You're making a claim history would have taken a certain route under assumed circumstances. What is interesting, is that you seem to be 100% convinced in something that never happent. There is an infinite number of factors that could influence Africa's fate had the circumstances been different even to the slightest extent, from the historical course of occurrence.

ok, if you want to be that picky about it... there is a real good chance Africa wouldn't have been left alone. happy ?



true i'm certain Africa wouldn't have been left alone for the simple fact that, at the time, no land was safe from being conquered.