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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on May 10, 2006, 04:27:24 PM
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Odom and Bynum! AND draft picks. :nawty: That's laughable.
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thats too much.
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Way too much.
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thats def way too fuckin much and i doubt itll happen. foxsports is notorious for its rumours esepecially nfl ones.
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100% chance this is BS and it is giving away too much. I like the Laker core. We just need a defensive point guard and a shot blocker.
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DO IT!
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It won't work out, look at the Rockets. They have no dephth but they have to allstar players.
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It won't work out, look at the Rockets. They have no dephth but they have to allstar players.
thats because McGrady is ALWAYS injured.
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lol
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bad move for Wolves ;D
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It won't work out, look at the Rockets. They have no dephth but they have to allstar players.
thats because McGrady is ALWAYS injured.
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If the Lakers can some how keep Odom and still get Garnett that would be fucking sick but the Lakers would be giving up to much for KG if this rumor is true.
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How's that tooooo fucking muuuuuch? Mihm blows, draft picks most likely blow, Bynum will never become the player yall expect him to become, Odom.. well. This is pretty much the same shit you got for Shaq. I take Garnett over Shaq anyday in 2006/07. You basically traded Shaq for Garnett with a little transition phase. That's something I could live with.
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No. Before we make a trade we should have clear in our minds what we really need as a team to improve. IMO we need a new starting PG (i love Smush, but he should be our backup PG), a new backup SG (Kareem Rush should be perfect), a new backup SF (since George will not resign) and, if possible, a veteran (i'm cool with McKie, if he can return with no injuries) to lead the team spiritually. We need to add missing pieces, not to make a revolution. This trade is a revolution who replaces Mihm with Garnett, but who will force us to find replacements not only to the players i mentioned, but to Odom and Bynum too. Even tho i love KG, no.
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If the Lakers can some how keep Odom and still get Garnett that would be fucking sick but the Lakers would be giving up to much for KG if this rumor is true.
Exactly what I was thinking.
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DO IT!
LMFAO!
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bad move for Wolves ;D
YEAAAAA!
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How's that tooooo fucking muuuuuch? Mihm blows, draft picks most likely blow, Bynum will never become the player yall expect him to become, Odom.. well. This is pretty much the same shit you got for Shaq. I take Garnett over Shaq anyday in 2006/07. You basically traded Shaq for Garnett with a little transition phase. That's something I could live with.
WTF are you talking about? You honestly think that's a fair trade? ODOM IS JUST NOW ENTERTING HIS PRIME. KG IS NOW EXITING HIS PRIME...Bynum isn't even close to reaching his potential, he's our main project, we're putting a lot into him... he'll easily be a 15-8 guy at the least...Mihm is an athletic 7 footer who can finish around the basket and is currently developing mid-range game, how often do those come by? He DOES NOT blow, he provides great offense, decent defense, and is a valuable big for us...And draft picks are important as well. 1st or 2nd round, we can get some players with these picks, especially since this years draft is so damn deep, stars will come out the second round...You're insane if you think this is a good trade for the Lakers...We have a nucleus, they almost got us to the WCF with no experience. Now that they have that playoff experience, we should keep them together and just ADD...Odom needs to stay in LA...PeACe
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How's that tooooo fucking muuuuuch? Mihm blows, draft picks most likely blow, Bynum will never become the player yall expect him to become, Odom.. well. This is pretty much the same shit you got for Shaq. I take Garnett over Shaq anyday in 2006/07. You basically traded Shaq for Garnett with a little transition phase. That's something I could live with.
It is now obvious that you know nothing about basketball.
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One of the things I know about basketball, is that it's about winning championships for the Lakers. Why keep Odom and that other shit and waste Kobe's prime? Without a big move you guys will NOT win a title. This current team is going nowhere championship-wise, and deep inside you all KNOW IT. If you get Garnett, everything is different. That nigga didnt fall off, his heart was just not in it lately, he got at least two VERY good years left, and if you can't contend with the BY FAR best forward/guard combo in the NBA, then God help you. All that long run shit is bullshit. Keeping that team, waiting for Bynum to develop, christ, that's so laughable if you're about championships.
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One of the things I know about basketball, is that it's about winning championships for the Lakers. Why keep Odom and that other shit and waste Kobe's prime? Without a big move you guys will NOT win a title. This current team is going nowhere championship-wise, and deep inside you all KNOW IT. If you get Garnett, everything is different. That nigga didnt fall off, his heart was just not in it lately, he got at least two VERY good years left, and if you can't contend with the BY FAR best forward/guard combo in the NBA, then God help you. All that long run shit is bullshit. Keeping that team, waiting for Bynum to develop, christ, that's so laughable if you're about championships.
Yeah but we'll be trading half our team for Garnett, leaving us with fo SF no Center and no bench what so ever.
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One of the things I know about basketball, is that it's about winning championships for the Lakers. Why keep Odom and that other shit and waste Kobe's prime? Without a big move you guys will NOT win a title. This current team is going nowhere championship-wise, and deep inside you all KNOW IT. If you get Garnett, everything is different. That nigga didnt fall off, his heart was just not in it lately, he got at least two VERY good years left, and if you can't contend with the BY FAR best forward/guard combo in the NBA, then God help you. All that long run shit is bullshit. Keeping that team, waiting for Bynum to develop, christ, that's so laughable if you're about championships.
Yeah but we'll be trading half our team for Garnett, leaving us with fo SF no Center and no bench what so ever.
Believe me, when hungry, ring-less vets see Kobe and Garnett on the same team, that situation will solve itself...
Those leeches always sign to the team with the most hype. Lately the Heat had it, and look how many All-Stars they got. Finley also just signed with the Spurs cause he thought they will win the championship. Big Ben is soon an FA for instance. Maybe he wants to play with Garnett and Kobe? Maybe also Cassell? LOL. That team would be unfuckwitable, especially since the Pistons would be weaker then and shit.
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One of the things I know about basketball, is that it's about winning championships for the Lakers. Why keep Odom and that other shit and waste Kobe's prime? Without a big move you guys will NOT win a title. This current team is going nowhere championship-wise, and deep inside you all KNOW IT. If you get Garnett, everything is different. That nigga didnt fall off, his heart was just not in it lately, he got at least two VERY good years left, and if you can't contend with the BY FAR best forward/guard combo in the NBA, then God help you. All that long run shit is bullshit. Keeping that team, waiting for Bynum to develop, christ, that's so laughable if you're about championships.
Dude, Garnett is good for 2 years, and then what? We just ruined our whole future...Lakers are about creating dynasties, not just winning a championship or two and then subsiding from then on...That's what Bynum is about. Think about it, Bynum will only be reaching his prime in 10 years (this guy has potential to be a GREAT GREAT true center). Kevin Garnett will be in a rocking-chair in 10 years...Odom is now entering his prime, he has YEARS of great basketball ahead of him...Mihm is still not even near his full potential, and he's a HARD worker, so he'll definitely reach it...We are not that far off from being contenders, like I said in some other thread, we are only 1 veteran contributor and 1 serviceable power forward away from contending...We can't fuck up our whole roster for 2 good years of Kevin Garnett...That is NOT how the Lakers work...PeACe
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In 5 years you're prolly better off without such a trade, but then again in 5 years Kobe is 33 and a FA. After he is gone or old, the Kobe dynsty is over. If I was the Laker GM I'd try to make noise before that happens. Also, hoping for a great future with youngstars like Bynum - that's speculating. With a man like Garnett, you know where you're at.
With the current team and maybe a few minor modifications, you can make the playoffs each year, advance to the 2nd round if the 1st round opponent is Denver or some shit.. but I don't see how you would beat the Suns with Amare and Kurt, the Mavs, the Spurs, the Pistons. You're like the Cleveland Cavaliers then. One superstar, nice team, maybe 50+ wins a season, but noone except some of the own fans would ever seriously expect this team to win the championship.
Of course, if you're a different franchise, like the Grizzlies, the Clippers, the Cavs, the Wizards, the Nuggets... whatever, then that's pretty nice. But the world and especially the city of LA is still spoiled from former successes the franchise had, and won't really love to have the season to end early in may.
But I don't think the trade is going down anyways, there were SO MANY false rumors about Laker-trades ever since Shaq left, so I ain't buyin none of those until I read a Kupchak quote on nba.com.
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In 5 years you're prolly better off without such a trade, but then again in 5 years Kobe is 33 and a FA. After he is gone or old, the Kobe dynsty is over. If I was the Laker GM I'd try to make noise before that happens. Also, hoping for a great future with youngstars like Bynum - that's speculating. With a man like Garnett, you know where you're at.
With the current team and maybe a few minor modifications, you can make the playoffs each year, advance to the 2nd round if the 1st round opponent is Denver or some shit.. but I don't see how you would beat the Suns with Amare and Kurt, the Mavs, the Spurs, the Pistons. You're like the Cleveland Cavaliers then. One superstar, nice team, maybe 50+ wins a season, but noone except some of the own fans would ever seriously expect this team to win the championship.
Of course, if you're a different franchise, like the Grizzlies, the Clippers, the Cavs, the Wizards, the Nuggets... whatever, then that's pretty nice. But the world and especially the city of LA is still spoiled from former successes the franchise had, and won't really love to have the season to end early in may.
But I don't think the trade is going down anyways, there were SO MANY false rumors about Laker-trades ever since Shaq left, so I ain't buyin none of those until I read a Kupchak quote on nba.com.
Your logic is flawed...In 5 years Kobe is 33, that's the same age Michael Jordan was in the middle of his second 3peat. Lakers dynasty lives forever, it doesn't die when Kobe is gone...That's what Bynum is here for, our staff saw something special in him. Kareem sees something special in him. When he gets on the court, he gives it his all, and thought his game is still completely raw, you can see that he has it in him. But Bynum isn't what this is about, I'd hesitate to make this trade even WITHOUT Bynum in it...We can't just bring in a bunch of new players to learn the triangle, it's a whole process...What we have now is a good team that needs some minor adjustments. I expect Lamar and Kwame to step up BIG TIME next season. With the addition of a Sam Cassel or a Jason Terry, plus a Chris Wilcox or a Melvin Ely, I think we'd EASILY contend with the elite teams next season (that includes Mavs, Spurs, Pistons, you name it)...Taking Garnett would be a huge gamble, you never know. He might help us win another championship, but do you think that's enough for Laker fans? What we're building right now is supposed to be MUCH bigger than that...PeACe
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Taking Garnett would be a huge gamble, you never know.
Except for the fact that he is the most constant player in the NBA...
Do you seriously think Andrew Bynum can carry a dynasty on his shoulder????
Even if the kid is full of potential... I don't think so!!!
I really don't know what to think about the trade... But if the Lakers wanna win championship(s), they better do it now (next 5 years) with Kobe...
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Taking Garnett would be a huge gamble, you never know.
Except for the fact that he is the most constant player in the NBA...
Do you seriously think Andrew Bynum can carry a dynasty on his shoulder????
Even if the kid is full of potential... I don't think so!!!
I really don't know what to think about the trade... But if the Lakers wanna win championship(s), they better do it now (next 5 years) with Kobe...
Can Andrew Bynum carry a dynasty on his shoulders? Who knows...He definitely has the tools for it. Taking Garnett WOULD be a gamble, regardless if he's consistant or not...Imagine how bad the trade would look a few years down the road if...
Lamar Odom was an all-star for the next 5 years
Chris Mihm keeps working hard on his game until he's a top-notch NBA center (he's already close)
The draft picks end up being very serviceable NBA players
and last but not least
Andrew Bynum lives up to the hype and becomes the most dominant center in the league for years to come...
It's just not worth the risk...Garnett would be nice, and I'm not gunna lie, this trade would build some excitement in LA, but if you look past that excitement, we're about building dynasties, not winning championships by signing/trading for superstars who are close to expiration...That's how we've been succesful, and if we want to keep the tradition going, we wont trade away some of our key pieces...PeACe
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With the addition of a Sam Cassel or a Jason Terry, plus a Chris Wilcox or a Melvin Ely
That would be a crazy team. 8)
7 seems to be too anxious, which proves to be a lot of teams undoing. When GM's get to anxious and make quick fix trades it hardly ever works out and usually ends up a disaster.
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kobe needs to take a paycut. he's getting $136 million, if he just gave up the #36mill thats enough to get us some decent players (hint: ben gordon). keep in mind we need a pure shooter to successfully run the triangle
How's that tooooo fucking muuuuuch? Mihm blows, draft picks most likely blow, Bynum will never become the player yall expect him to become, Odom.. well.
couldn't have said it better!
a new backup SG (Kareem Rush should be perfect), a new backup SF (since George will not resign)
is kareem rush back officially? and why wont george resign?
WTF are you talking about? You honestly think that's a fair trade? ODOM IS JUST NOW ENTERTING HIS PRIME.
in his prime and still missing fast break layups? trade the son-of-a-bitch!
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Lakers need to get rid of....Chris Mihm, B.Cook, D.Goearge, Smush, JJ, Aron Mckie, Von Wafer, Devin Green.
Lakers need to sign - Chris Wilcox, Bobby Jackson.
STARTERS
C: Kwame
PF: Chris Wilcox
SF: Lamar Odom
SG: Mr. 81
PG: Sasha
BENCH
Ronny Turiaff
Bobby Jackson
Andrew Bynum
Luke Walton
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kobe needs to take a paycut. he's getting $136 million, if he just gave up the #36mill thats enough to get us some decent players (hint: ben gordon). keep in mind we need a pure shooter to successfully run the triangle
LMAO@Ben Gordon...Ben Gordon is a horrible fit and has some of the worst defense in the league...Kobe is in the middle of a contract, they can't use Kobe's contract money to obtain players...LMFAO. You're hilarious.
is kareem rush back officially? and why wont george resign?
No...In my opinion, Laker are definitely gunna take a look at him though and SHOULD pick him up. George won't re-sign with us because we're not gunna offer him the money he can get elsewhere...Same reason Fisher left in '04...
in his prime and still missing fast break layups? trade the son-of-a-bitch!
He's entering his prime and he's played EXCELLENT basketball the second half of the season...Stop the hating, Odom has done amazing except for in game 7...We are not making this awful trade. Get over it...PeACe
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kobe needs to take a paycut. he's getting $136 million, if he just gave up the #36mill thats enough to get us some decent players (hint: ben gordon). keep in mind we need a pure shooter to successfully run the triangle
It's too late for him to take a paycut. He's signed through at least the 09/10 season. The CBA states a player can't renegotiate their contract to get paid less money.
How's that tooooo fucking muuuuuch? Mihm blows, draft picks most likely blow, Bynum will never become the player yall expect him to become, Odom.. well.
couldn't have said it better!
Do you know how rare quality big men are? Bynum is a diamond in the dirt and the Lakers have him. Although if Phil Jackson contiues to bench Bynum (I'll be really upset if he doesn't play 15 mpg next season) then he's wasted talent. If the Lakers traded both their draft picks they could probably get a really good bench player by itself.
a new backup SG (Kareem Rush should be perfect), a new backup SF (since George will not resign)
is kareem rush back officially? and why wont george resign?
Kareem is still with the Bobcats, but his contract is up this offseason. George won't resign with the Lakers because he'll most likely want the enitire mid-level exception the Lakers have (about $5M) which the Lakers probably won't (and should't IMO) give him.
WTF are you talking about? You honestly think that's a fair trade? ODOM IS JUST NOW ENTERTING HIS PRIME.
in his prime and still missing fast break layups? trade the son-of-a-bitch!
Did you not see him in the playoffs? With an offseason of training he'll be a 20 10 5 player. The dude's 27, he is entering his prime.
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Lakers need to get rid of....Chris Mihm, B.Cook, D.Goearge, Smush, JJ, Aron Mckie, Von Wafer, Devin Green.
Lakers need to sign - Chris Wilcox, Bobby Jackson.
STARTERS
C: Kwame
PF: Chris Wilcox
SF: Lamar Odom
SG: Mr. 81
PG: Sasha
BENCH
Ronny Turiaff
Bobby Jackson
Andrew Bynum
Luke Walton
WTF? I don't like that at all...We need a big who can shoot, we should keep Brian Cook. Bobby Jackson is injury prone and wont fit in our system...Smush is one of our biggest steals, he's definitely worth the money, we need to keep him too. Mihm, I don't even want to get into...He's an athletic 7 footer who can score around the basket, I would definitely not give up on him, we need more post players than Kwame Brown and Andrew Bynum...Von Wafer and Devin Green are young with upside, especially Von Wafer...I wouldn't give up on them just yet, they never got the chance to prove themselves...However, Kareem Rush would be my ultimate choice for back-up SG...I dunno, man...I still think we should keep our main contributors in tact and get rid of the others (Jim Jackson, Aaron McKie, Devean George) and replace them with players we really need...PeACe
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Kareem is still with the Bobcats, but his contract is up this offseason.
^^Sorry, but this is wrong...The Bobcats waived Rush before the season was over, he is no long with them...PeACe
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I think that is givin up too much. I don't see Bynum becoming GREAT GREAT though...maybe a 15-8 Center as said before, and maybe an "almost all-star" or somethin, but he just isn't athletic enough to become a dominant force in the league.
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Kareem is still with the Bobcats, but his contract is up this offseason.
^^Sorry, but this is wrong...The Bobcats waived Rush before the season was over, he is no long with them...PeACe
My bad. :-[
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I think that is givin up too much. I don't see Bynum becoming GREAT GREAT though...maybe a 15-8 Center as said before, and maybe an "almost all-star" or somethin, but he just isn't athletic enough to become a dominant force in the league.
He's not athletic enough? Look at Shaq man...LOL. Bynum's a 7 footer with a wide-set body. A true center. Those are rare nowadays... He's learning all the fundamentals from Kareem himself...I think he will be AT LEAST an all-star at some point in his career...Kid has some upside...PeACe
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One thing for sure is that you know you cant count on Bynum to develope when you have the former #1 pick Kwame Brown on your team. NIK you said you will get at least 15 and 8 from Bynum well too bad you cant say the same for Kwame. In 4 or 5 seasons his numbers have been nowhere close to that.....You can only HOPE Bynum developes. At least with KG, you know youre getting the REAL DEAL. A sure thing.
If I was the Lakers, I would make this deal in a heart beat. If you have KG and Kobe there, its only going to attract better players and players who want to win a title... Nobody is going to sign with LA when their main objective is to develope players like Kwame Brown, Bynum and Sasha V.....
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One thing for sure is that you know you cant count on Bynum to develope when you have the former #1 pick Kwame Brown on your team. NIK you said you will get at least 15 and 8 from Bynum well too bad you cant say the same for Kwame. In 4 or 5 seasons his numbers have been nowhere close to that.....You can only HOPE Bynum developes. At least with KG, you know youre getting the REAL DEAL. A sure thing.
WTF are you talking about? Kwame showed a lot of promise during the end of the season...He was averaging 14-9 as a starter in the 2nd half of the season. Have you even watched any Lakers games within the past year? As for the trade, it's not only BYNUM we're giving away...The centerpiece is Lamar Odom...Like I said, Odom is just now entering his prime while KG is exiting his...The trade is definitely not a good one...PeAcE
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Nobody is going to sign with LA when their main objective is to develope players like Kwame Brown, Bynum and Sasha V.....
LA will attract players no matter what...Our main objective is not to develop those players, though we've been doing it in the process, and it's been working out just fine...I think this trade has way too much potential of harming us in the long run...PeaCE
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Have you even watched any Lakers games within the past year?
No. Most of them just remember the last 3 games of the playoffs as if the rest of the season/other 4 playoff games didn't happen. :P
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Nobody is going to sign with LA when their main objective is to develope players like Kwame Brown, Bynum and Sasha V.....
Next year our main objective is AT LEAST the Western Conference Semifinals, man. But i'm sure we can reach the WCF too, if we're smarter than we was this year. It's right that with KB and KG in the same team, a lot of FA will like to sign to L.A. to take a ride, but i think our GM is trying to build a new dynasty. That's why we traded Shaq in the first place. Cause it wasn't about getting just another ring, but to rebuild the team around youngs to win 3-4 other titles in a row.
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Aparently, KG has demanded a traded. :o :o :o
http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=513259
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Here we go! 8)
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If Lakers get Garnett I kill 2-3 laker fans on this board
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If Lakers get Garnett I kill 2-3 laker fans on this board
Yes, but first you have to kill yourself...
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^^^^^^^^^^that right^^^^^^
LAKERS FAN AND WHAT YALL CANT FUCK WIT US!!!!!!!!!!!!
HATERZ PIMP SLAP WITH THE GOLD RAG SO BOW DOWN BITCH!!! :baseballbat:
u aint going do shit
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We need a big who can shoot, we should keep Brian Cook. Bobby Jackson is injury prone and wont fit in our system...Smush is one of our biggest steals, he's definitely worth the money, we need to keep him too. Mihm, I don't even want to get into...He's an athletic 7 footer who can score around the basket, I would definitely not give up on him, we need more post players than Kwame Brown and Andrew Bynum...Von Wafer and Devin Green are young with upside, especially Von Wafer...I wouldn't give up on them just yet, they never got the chance to prove themselves...However, Kareem Rush would be my ultimate choice for back-up SG...I dunno, man...I still think we should keep our main contributors in tact and get rid of the others (Jim Jackson, Aaron McKie, Devean George) and replace them with players we really need...PeACe
Brian Cook is another player we need to drop, I don't want anybody that's gonna keep missing open shots. Smush Parker is a good stealer (and excellent dunker) but he blew his chances of another contract in this playoffs. And Ben Gordon is lighyears better than that nigga.
I agree though: Jim Jackson and Aaron McKie need to go too
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And Ben Gordon is lighyears better than that nigga.
Wigger. :P
Brian Cook is another player we need to drop, I don't want anybody that's gonna keep missing open shots. Smush Parker is a good stealer (and excellent dunker) but he blew his chances of another contract in this playoffs. And Ben Gordon is lighyears better than that nigga.
I agree though: Jim Jackson and Aaron McKie need to go too
The Bulls aren't going to let Gordon go. And fuck McKie and Jackson, they probably won't even be offered a contract.
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^ i know how if its true but there are rumors that the bulls are shopping gordon around to other teams. there was a rumor of them trading gordon, nocioni, some other player and i think 2 draft picks for iverson.
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We need a big who can shoot, we should keep Brian Cook. Bobby Jackson is injury prone and wont fit in our system...Smush is one of our biggest steals, he's definitely worth the money, we need to keep him too. Mihm, I don't even want to get into...He's an athletic 7 footer who can score around the basket, I would definitely not give up on him, we need more post players than Kwame Brown and Andrew Bynum...Von Wafer and Devin Green are young with upside, especially Von Wafer...I wouldn't give up on them just yet, they never got the chance to prove themselves...However, Kareem Rush would be my ultimate choice for back-up SG...I dunno, man...I still think we should keep our main contributors in tact and get rid of the others (Jim Jackson, Aaron McKie, Devean George) and replace them with players we really need...PeACe
Brian Cook is another player we need to drop, I don't want anybody that's gonna keep missing open shots. Smush Parker is a good stealer (and excellent dunker) but he blew his chances of another contract in this playoffs. And Ben Gordon is lighyears better than that nigga.
I agree though: Jim Jackson and Aaron McKie need to go too
LMFAO! Are you retarded? Brian Cook is a pure shooter, what are you talking about "missing open shots"...Smart guy, Cook shot 51% on the year and 43% from downtown...He is a GREAT shooter, the best we have. And a big who can shoot is EXTREMELY valuable when your other bigs are purely post players...You really show how much you know. ::)
And LMAO@Ben Gordon...Of course he's a better player overall than Smush, but he in no way fits our system and is a shoot-first guard, not a playmaker. Also, he's not that great of a point guard, he can't defend point guards for shit...He's more of a 2-guard...You don't know what the fuck you're saying, we do not want Ben Gordon...He would also ruin us financially. Smush costs us practically nothing and has much better defense...Stop pulling names of players you like out your ass, that's not how the adjustment process works...PeACe
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^ i know how if its true but there are rumors that the bulls are shopping gordon around to other teams. there was a rumor of them trading gordon, nocioni, some other player and i think 2 draft picks for iverson.
Rumors, rumors, rumors. :P There's always a million of them going around and less then 5% are true.
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IMO, with the Lakers current roster, I don't see them winning a championship. Basically, anybody outside of LA viewed the Lakers as big time over achievers this year. But NIK, why is it that KG is washed up at 30, but you turn around and say that Kobe won't be exiting his prime at 33 (with your Jordan championship reference)? KG desperately needs a change of scenery. See Vince Carter - he wasn't washed up in Toronto, he was fuckin miserable there. If KG goes to a different market he'll continue to be an elite player for a few more years. I do see what you're saying about the Lakers not making quick fixes, and I agree with that. But if they could lock up KG for 3 years - you'd have 2 legit suparstars. To me, that would instantly elevate the Lakers to the upper tier of the league - much more of a threat to win it all over the next few seasons than the current team. Sure, Bynum might be great, but he might not amount to shit. Kwame was supposed to be the shit, Telfair was supposed to be the shit, Gerald Green is supposed to be the shit. Now those guys could still amount to something, but it could take several years. Bynum played in one playoff game for all of what 2 minutes? Phil obviously thinks he's got quite a while to develop.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, so I'd take KG and try to make something happen.
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IMO, with the Lakers current roster, I don't see them winning a championship. Basically, anybody outside of LA viewed the Lakers as big time over achievers this year. But NIK, why is it that KG is washed up at 30, but you turn around and say that Kobe won't be exiting his prime at 33 (with your Jordan championship reference)? KG desperately needs a change of scenery. See Vince Carter - he wasn't washed up in Toronto, he was fuckin miserable there. If KG goes to a different market he'll continue to be an elite player for a few more years. I do see what you're saying about the Lakers not making quick fixes, and I agree with that. But if they could lock up KG for 3 years - you'd have 2 legit suparstars. To me, that would instantly elevate the Lakers to the upper tier of the league - much more of a threat to win it all over the next few seasons than the current team. Sure, Bynum might be great, but he might not amount to shit. Kwame was supposed to be the shit, Telfair was supposed to be the shit, Gerald Green is supposed to be the shit. Now those guys could still amount to something, but it could take several years. Bynum played in one playoff game for all of what 2 minutes? Phil obviously thinks he's got quite a while to develop.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, so I'd take KG and try to make something happen.
Bigs usually reach their prime earlier and slowly subside as their career goes on...Players like Michael, Kobe, Magic, etc. get better with age. I never once said KG was washed up, but he's pretty much at the point where he's exiting his prime...Not saying that he doesn't have a couple years left in him, but that's all he has...What happens after that? The Lakers got their name by building dynasties, so why should they trade away their biggest chance of a future dynasty? Plus, I like how Kobe plays when he's sorrounded by players like Lamar Odom and Kwame Brown when they're playing at their full potential, and they pretty much reached a point this season where they were doing that consistantly...Next year, they'll be that much better...All that they really need right now is a veteran guard who will contribute and a serviceable power forward. If they get that, I truely believe they will be an upper echelon team...PeACe
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IMO, with the Lakers current roster, I don't see them winning a championship. Basically, anybody outside of LA viewed the Lakers as big time over achievers this year. But NIK, why is it that KG is washed up at 30, but you turn around and say that Kobe won't be exiting his prime at 33 (with your Jordan championship reference)? KG desperately needs a change of scenery. See Vince Carter - he wasn't washed up in Toronto, he was fuckin miserable there. If KG goes to a different market he'll continue to be an elite player for a few more years. I do see what you're saying about the Lakers not making quick fixes, and I agree with that. But if they could lock up KG for 3 years - you'd have 2 legit suparstars. To me, that would instantly elevate the Lakers to the upper tier of the league - much more of a threat to win it all over the next few seasons than the current team. Sure, Bynum might be great, but he might not amount to shit. Kwame was supposed to be the shit, Telfair was supposed to be the shit, Gerald Green is supposed to be the shit. Now those guys could still amount to something, but it could take several years. Bynum played in one playoff game for all of what 2 minutes? Phil obviously thinks he's got quite a while to develop.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, so I'd take KG and try to make something happen.
Do you even know what that saying means? Because that quote defends the keeping of Odom.
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IMO, with the Lakers current roster, I don't see them winning a championship. Basically, anybody outside of LA viewed the Lakers as big time over achievers this year. But NIK, why is it that KG is washed up at 30, but you turn around and say that Kobe won't be exiting his prime at 33 (with your Jordan championship reference)? KG desperately needs a change of scenery. See Vince Carter - he wasn't washed up in Toronto, he was fuckin miserable there. If KG goes to a different market he'll continue to be an elite player for a few more years. I do see what you're saying about the Lakers not making quick fixes, and I agree with that. But if they could lock up KG for 3 years - you'd have 2 legit suparstars. To me, that would instantly elevate the Lakers to the upper tier of the league - much more of a threat to win it all over the next few seasons than the current team. Sure, Bynum might be great, but he might not amount to shit. Kwame was supposed to be the shit, Telfair was supposed to be the shit, Gerald Green is supposed to be the shit. Now those guys could still amount to something, but it could take several years. Bynum played in one playoff game for all of what 2 minutes? Phil obviously thinks he's got quite a while to develop.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, so I'd take KG and try to make something happen.
Do you even know what that saying means? Because that quote defends the keeping of Odom.
LOL! yea...I was gunna say something 'bout that as well, but forgot...Funny shit though.
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IMO, with the Lakers current roster, I don't see them winning a championship. Basically, anybody outside of LA viewed the Lakers as big time over achievers this year. But NIK, why is it that KG is washed up at 30, but you turn around and say that Kobe won't be exiting his prime at 33 (with your Jordan championship reference)? KG desperately needs a change of scenery. See Vince Carter - he wasn't washed up in Toronto, he was fuckin miserable there. If KG goes to a different market he'll continue to be an elite player for a few more years. I do see what you're saying about the Lakers not making quick fixes, and I agree with that. But if they could lock up KG for 3 years - you'd have 2 legit suparstars. To me, that would instantly elevate the Lakers to the upper tier of the league - much more of a threat to win it all over the next few seasons than the current team. Sure, Bynum might be great, but he might not amount to shit. Kwame was supposed to be the shit, Telfair was supposed to be the shit, Gerald Green is supposed to be the shit. Now those guys could still amount to something, but it could take several years. Bynum played in one playoff game for all of what 2 minutes? Phil obviously thinks he's got quite a while to develop.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, so I'd take KG and try to make something happen.
Do you even know what that saying means? Because that quote defends the keeping of Odom.
Yes dipshit, I do. It means taking the sure bet over a speculative bet. You know what you get with KG. A prospect is unproven. Now go read a book.
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IMO, with the Lakers current roster, I don't see them winning a championship. Basically, anybody outside of LA viewed the Lakers as big time over achievers this year. But NIK, why is it that KG is washed up at 30, but you turn around and say that Kobe won't be exiting his prime at 33 (with your Jordan championship reference)? KG desperately needs a change of scenery. See Vince Carter - he wasn't washed up in Toronto, he was fuckin miserable there. If KG goes to a different market he'll continue to be an elite player for a few more years. I do see what you're saying about the Lakers not making quick fixes, and I agree with that. But if they could lock up KG for 3 years - you'd have 2 legit suparstars. To me, that would instantly elevate the Lakers to the upper tier of the league - much more of a threat to win it all over the next few seasons than the current team. Sure, Bynum might be great, but he might not amount to shit. Kwame was supposed to be the shit, Telfair was supposed to be the shit, Gerald Green is supposed to be the shit. Now those guys could still amount to something, but it could take several years. Bynum played in one playoff game for all of what 2 minutes? Phil obviously thinks he's got quite a while to develop.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, so I'd take KG and try to make something happen.
Do you even know what that saying means? Because that quote defends the keeping of Odom.
Yes dipshit, I do. It means taking the sure bet over a speculative bet. You know what you get with KG. A prospect is unproven. Now go read a book.
http://humanities.byu.edu/elc/student/idioms/proverbs/bird_in_the_hand.html
http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/birdinthehan.html
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/64950.html
Uhh... Try again. :P
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IMO, with the Lakers current roster, I don't see them winning a championship. Basically, anybody outside of LA viewed the Lakers as big time over achievers this year. But NIK, why is it that KG is washed up at 30, but you turn around and say that Kobe won't be exiting his prime at 33 (with your Jordan championship reference)? KG desperately needs a change of scenery. See Vince Carter - he wasn't washed up in Toronto, he was fuckin miserable there. If KG goes to a different market he'll continue to be an elite player for a few more years. I do see what you're saying about the Lakers not making quick fixes, and I agree with that. But if they could lock up KG for 3 years - you'd have 2 legit suparstars. To me, that would instantly elevate the Lakers to the upper tier of the league - much more of a threat to win it all over the next few seasons than the current team. Sure, Bynum might be great, but he might not amount to shit. Kwame was supposed to be the shit, Telfair was supposed to be the shit, Gerald Green is supposed to be the shit. Now those guys could still amount to something, but it could take several years. Bynum played in one playoff game for all of what 2 minutes? Phil obviously thinks he's got quite a while to develop.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, so I'd take KG and try to make something happen.
Do you even know what that saying means? Because that quote defends the keeping of Odom.
Yes dipshit, I do. It means taking the sure bet over a speculative bet. You know what you get with KG. A prospect is unproven. Now go read a book.
http://humanities.byu.edu/elc/student/idioms/proverbs/bird_in_the_hand.html
http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/birdinthehan.html
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/64950.html
Uhh... Try again. :P
Taken from your link:
Meaning
It's better to have a small actual advantage than the chance of a greater one.
In this situation, KG is the actual advantage. Prospects/projects are the chance. :D
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IMO, with the Lakers current roster, I don't see them winning a championship. Basically, anybody outside of LA viewed the Lakers as big time over achievers this year. But NIK, why is it that KG is washed up at 30, but you turn around and say that Kobe won't be exiting his prime at 33 (with your Jordan championship reference)? KG desperately needs a change of scenery. See Vince Carter - he wasn't washed up in Toronto, he was fuckin miserable there. If KG goes to a different market he'll continue to be an elite player for a few more years. I do see what you're saying about the Lakers not making quick fixes, and I agree with that. But if they could lock up KG for 3 years - you'd have 2 legit suparstars. To me, that would instantly elevate the Lakers to the upper tier of the league - much more of a threat to win it all over the next few seasons than the current team. Sure, Bynum might be great, but he might not amount to shit. Kwame was supposed to be the shit, Telfair was supposed to be the shit, Gerald Green is supposed to be the shit. Now those guys could still amount to something, but it could take several years. Bynum played in one playoff game for all of what 2 minutes? Phil obviously thinks he's got quite a while to develop.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, so I'd take KG and try to make something happen.
Do you even know what that saying means? Because that quote defends the keeping of Odom.
Yes dipshit, I do. It means taking the sure bet over a speculative bet. You know what you get with KG. A prospect is unproven. Now go read a book.
http://humanities.byu.edu/elc/student/idioms/proverbs/bird_in_the_hand.html
http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/birdinthehan.html
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/64950.html
Uhh... Try again. :P
Taken from your link:
Meaning
It's better to have a small actual advantage than the chance of a greater one.
In this situation, KG is the actual advantage. Prospects/projects are the chance. :D
KG is the small actual advantage and Odom is the greater one?
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IMO, with the Lakers current roster, I don't see them winning a championship. Basically, anybody outside of LA viewed the Lakers as big time over achievers this year. But NIK, why is it that KG is washed up at 30, but you turn around and say that Kobe won't be exiting his prime at 33 (with your Jordan championship reference)? KG desperately needs a change of scenery. See Vince Carter - he wasn't washed up in Toronto, he was fuckin miserable there. If KG goes to a different market he'll continue to be an elite player for a few more years. I do see what you're saying about the Lakers not making quick fixes, and I agree with that. But if they could lock up KG for 3 years - you'd have 2 legit suparstars. To me, that would instantly elevate the Lakers to the upper tier of the league - much more of a threat to win it all over the next few seasons than the current team. Sure, Bynum might be great, but he might not amount to shit. Kwame was supposed to be the shit, Telfair was supposed to be the shit, Gerald Green is supposed to be the shit. Now those guys could still amount to something, but it could take several years. Bynum played in one playoff game for all of what 2 minutes? Phil obviously thinks he's got quite a while to develop.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, so I'd take KG and try to make something happen.
Do you even know what that saying means? Because that quote defends the keeping of Odom.
Yes dipshit, I do. It means taking the sure bet over a speculative bet. You know what you get with KG. A prospect is unproven. Now go read a book.
http://humanities.byu.edu/elc/student/idioms/proverbs/bird_in_the_hand.html
http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/birdinthehan.html
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/64950.html
Uhh... Try again. :P
Taken from your link:
Meaning
It's better to have a small actual advantage than the chance of a greater one.
In this situation, KG is the actual advantage. Prospects/projects are the chance. :D
KG is the small actual advantage and Odom is the greater one?
I'll keep this simple...
Kobe + KG = Instant contender, Upper echelon team.
Kobe + Odom + Brown + Bynum = POSSIBLE Contender in SEVERAL years. This roster is NOT moving into elite status unless teams like Detroit, SA, Dallas, Mia, Phx disband.
Kobe and Odom are obviously proven, but Brown and Bynum? They could be all-star caliber in a few years, who knows? You know what you're getting with KG, hence the actual advantage vs. the possible advantage in the future.
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IMO, with the Lakers current roster, I don't see them winning a championship. Basically, anybody outside of LA viewed the Lakers as big time over achievers this year. But NIK, why is it that KG is washed up at 30, but you turn around and say that Kobe won't be exiting his prime at 33 (with your Jordan championship reference)? KG desperately needs a change of scenery. See Vince Carter - he wasn't washed up in Toronto, he was fuckin miserable there. If KG goes to a different market he'll continue to be an elite player for a few more years. I do see what you're saying about the Lakers not making quick fixes, and I agree with that. But if they could lock up KG for 3 years - you'd have 2 legit suparstars. To me, that would instantly elevate the Lakers to the upper tier of the league - much more of a threat to win it all over the next few seasons than the current team. Sure, Bynum might be great, but he might not amount to shit. Kwame was supposed to be the shit, Telfair was supposed to be the shit, Gerald Green is supposed to be the shit. Now those guys could still amount to something, but it could take several years. Bynum played in one playoff game for all of what 2 minutes? Phil obviously thinks he's got quite a while to develop.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, so I'd take KG and try to make something happen.
Do you even know what that saying means? Because that quote defends the keeping of Odom.
Yes dipshit, I do. It means taking the sure bet over a speculative bet. You know what you get with KG. A prospect is unproven. Now go read a book.
http://humanities.byu.edu/elc/student/idioms/proverbs/bird_in_the_hand.html
http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/birdinthehan.html
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/64950.html
Uhh... Try again. :P
Taken from your link:
Meaning
It's better to have a small actual advantage than the chance of a greater one.
In this situation, KG is the actual advantage. Prospects/projects are the chance. :D
KG is the small actual advantage and Odom is the greater one?
I'll keep this simple...
Kobe + KG = Instant contender, Upper echelon team.
Kobe + Odom + Brown + Bynum = POSSIBLE Contender in SEVERAL years. This roster is NOT moving into elite status unless teams like Detroit, SA, Dallas, Mia, Phx disband.
Kobe and Odom are obviously proven, but Brown and Bynum? They could be all-star caliber in a few years, who knows? You know what you're getting with KG, hence the actual advantage vs. the possible advantage in the future.
I know that. But KG is a great advantage and Odom is a small one. Hence why the quote doesn't work in your argument (a statement just as to be 1% false for the enitre thing to be incorrect).
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IMO, with the Lakers current roster, I don't see them winning a championship. Basically, anybody outside of LA viewed the Lakers as big time over achievers this year. But NIK, why is it that KG is washed up at 30, but you turn around and say that Kobe won't be exiting his prime at 33 (with your Jordan championship reference)? KG desperately needs a change of scenery. See Vince Carter - he wasn't washed up in Toronto, he was fuckin miserable there. If KG goes to a different market he'll continue to be an elite player for a few more years. I do see what you're saying about the Lakers not making quick fixes, and I agree with that. But if they could lock up KG for 3 years - you'd have 2 legit suparstars. To me, that would instantly elevate the Lakers to the upper tier of the league - much more of a threat to win it all over the next few seasons than the current team. Sure, Bynum might be great, but he might not amount to shit. Kwame was supposed to be the shit, Telfair was supposed to be the shit, Gerald Green is supposed to be the shit. Now those guys could still amount to something, but it could take several years. Bynum played in one playoff game for all of what 2 minutes? Phil obviously thinks he's got quite a while to develop.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, so I'd take KG and try to make something happen.
Do you even know what that saying means? Because that quote defends the keeping of Odom.
Yes dipshit, I do. It means taking the sure bet over a speculative bet. You know what you get with KG. A prospect is unproven. Now go read a book.
http://humanities.byu.edu/elc/student/idioms/proverbs/bird_in_the_hand.html
http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/birdinthehan.html
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/64950.html
Uhh... Try again. :P
Taken from your link:
Meaning
It's better to have a small actual advantage than the chance of a greater one.
In this situation, KG is the actual advantage. Prospects/projects are the chance. :D
KG is the small actual advantage and Odom is the greater one?
I'll keep this simple...
Kobe + KG = Instant contender, Upper echelon team.
Kobe + Odom + Brown + Bynum = POSSIBLE Contender in SEVERAL years. This roster is NOT moving into elite status unless teams like Detroit, SA, Dallas, Mia, Phx disband.
Kobe and Odom are obviously proven, but Brown and Bynum? They could be all-star caliber in a few years, who knows? You know what you're getting with KG, hence the actual advantage vs. the possible advantage in the future.
I know that. But KG is a great advantage and Odom is a small one. Hence why the quote doesn't work in your argument (a statement just as to be 1% false for the enitre thing to be incorrect).
Christ. :grumpy:
The cliche absolutely works in the context in which NIK and I were discussing.
My statement was talking to NIK when he stated that with Bynum and Brown, there was potential to build a future dynasty. So when I used the cliche, it was in response to that statement. With Kobe & KG, you have proven ELITE NBA talent. You KNOW you're an instant contender. There is the possibility that Bynum and Brown could become all-stars. That may indeed be a title contender, but there is no guarantee that those two players will develop.
If you say you understand that, (which you did say in your last post) than I have no idea what you are arguing. You could say that you think it's a bigger risk to take KG than to keep Bynum and Brown. If you said that, than you're application of the cliche would be correct. However, that wasn't the context of my statement, nor NIK's. We were discussing the immediate future with the distant future. Got it?
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LMAO!!!
The saying "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" means to be grateful for what you have, rather than wanting something you MIGHT be able to get...Don't know how you got confused with it, it's pretty self-explanitory...As for your logic, Lakers already played like an elite team when they reached their full potential in the triangle this season...They're not nearly as far from the elite teams as you make it seem...KG would be nice, but I wouldn't dismember my roster for him, especially a roster that has dynasty potential...Phil Jackson never worked like that, it was always a growth process with Phil...If Mitch acquires the right players in the off-season and makes the needed adjustments, we will be a top-notch team without trading for a superstar...Mark my words.
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LMAO!!!
The saying "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" means to be grateful for what you have, rather than wanting something you MIGHT be able to get...Don't know how you got confused with it, it's pretty self-explanitory...As for your logic, Lakers already played like an elite team when they reached their full potential in the triangle this season...They're not nearly as far from the elite teams as you make it seem...KG would be nice, but I wouldn't dismember my roster for him, especially a roster that has dynasty potential...Phil Jackson never worked like that, it was always a growth process with Phil...If Mitch acquires the right players in the off-season and makes the needed adjustments, we will be a top-notch team without trading for a superstar...Mark my words.
Elite teams don't go out in the 1st round of the playoffs. They pushed the Suns to 7, but they weren't good enough to beat the Suns who didn't even have Amare. If they played a team that had an average defense, that series would have been over sooner.
The Lakers might be an elite team in a few years, but they might not. And I'm not disagreeing with you about shuffling together a team to contend immediately versus building a strong core for the future. What I would ask you though is if you believe the Lakers would be a better team next year if they made this trade? I think they would. I think KG would find a huge resurgence in LA. The guy just turned 30 like 3 weeks ago, it's not like he's elderly. He's obviously miserable in Minn. Put him somewhere that the sun shines, and playing with arguably the best player in the league, I think you'd see instant results.
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As a die hard Laker fan who suffered through the horrible 1993 season, remembering Magic Johnson saying he gots HIV, and more resently last year (2005), it will say this. WE BETTER GET KG. This season was good, but so was 1995. A great team, that was a main player away from the Conference Finals. In 1995, the roster of Van Exel, Eddie Jones, and Cedric was missing someone to take them to the top. They were good, second rounders, upset an elite team here and there, and were all under the age of 25, so there was a future. But, Buss wanted to make sure he had the horses to run the race to the finals, not build up to one. So he took a chance, traded over half the team away, George Lynch and Anothy Peeler, two very good Laker players were traded for almost nothing, two second round draft picks. That was way under their worth. The results was Shaq, and in all that mess they traded Divac's for money reasons to the Hornets for Kobe. This was not because of Kobe's future, it was to save money to get Shaq. It was the greatest off season any team has had, and Jerry West was the master mind. If KG is on the market, you can't play conservative, you have to go out and get the best number 2 man for Kobe. Maybe trade for a pick or two, and get some experenced vets to put it all together. Shaq and the Clippers are still in the playoffs, this cannot stand.
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horrible trade for minesota
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horrible trade for minesota
haha yeah is good 4 the L8KERS!!! 8)
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LMAO!!!
The saying "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" means to be grateful for what you have, rather than wanting something you MIGHT be able to get...Don't know how you got confused with it, it's pretty self-explanitory...As for your logic, Lakers already played like an elite team when they reached their full potential in the triangle this season...They're not nearly as far from the elite teams as you make it seem...KG would be nice, but I wouldn't dismember my roster for him, especially a roster that has dynasty potential...Phil Jackson never worked like that, it was always a growth process with Phil...If Mitch acquires the right players in the off-season and makes the needed adjustments, we will be a top-notch team without trading for a superstar...Mark my words.
Elite teams don't go out in the 1st round of the playoffs. They pushed the Suns to 7, but they weren't good enough to beat the Suns who didn't even have Amare. If they played a team that had an average defense, that series would have been over sooner.
The Lakers might be an elite team in a few years, but they might not. And I'm not disagreeing with you about shuffling together a team to contend immediately versus building a strong core for the future. What I would ask you though is if you believe the Lakers would be a better team next year if they made this trade? I think they would. I think KG would find a huge resurgence in LA. The guy just turned 30 like 3 weeks ago, it's not like he's elderly. He's obviously miserable in Minn. Put him somewhere that the sun shines, and playing with arguably the best player in the league, I think you'd see instant results.
See, I didn't say the Lakers were an elite team as of now...They lost to the Suns due to their lack of post players (when Mihm was injured) and inexperience...Now if they fill those holes (ala veteran contributor + serviceable power forward), then they have a great chance at elite status, especially under Phil Jackson and Kobe Bryant...I think the Lakers could possibly be better next year if they made the trade, but I couldn't answer that for sure...Who knows how Odom and Kwame will play? They started developing a nice little chemistry during the end of the season, I would like to see how that carries in to next season...Remember, we also can't just bring in brand new players to learn the triangle and expect instant results, it's a legthy process...I think it would be stupid to dismember such a young team with great potential who was a rebound away from the 2nd round (and ultimately the WCF, IMO)...I think we need to keep our nucleus in tact and build around it, and I have a feelin that it's what we're gunna do...If I'm wrong, I'm excited about seeing a Kobe+KG tandem, but hopefully what we have will be enough with some minor adjustments...PeACe
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As a die hard Laker fan who suffered through the horrible 1993 season, remembering Magic Johnson saying he gots HIV, and more resently last year (2005), it will say this. WE BETTER GET KG. This season was good, but so was 1995. A great team, that was a main player away from the Conference Finals. In 1995, the roster of Van Exel, Eddie Jones, and Cedric was missing someone to take them to the top. They were good, second rounders, upset an elite team here and there, and were all under the age of 25, so there was a future. But, Buss wanted to make sure he had the horses to run the race to the finals, not build up to one. So he took a chance, traded over half the team away, George Lynch and Anothy Peeler, two very good Laker players were traded for almost nothing, two second round draft picks. That was way under their worth. The results was Shaq, and in all that mess they traded Divac's for money reasons to the Hornets for Kobe. This was not because of Kobe's future, it was to save money to get Shaq. It was the greatest off season any team has had, and Jerry West was the master mind. If KG is on the market, you can't play conservative, you have to go out and get the best number 2 man for Kobe. Maybe trade for a pick or two, and get some experenced vets to put it all together. Shaq and the Clippers are still in the playoffs, this cannot stand.
Sorry, but you're wrong man...The Lakers traded for Kobe because the franchise and Jerry West saw something very special in him and wanted him for whatever it took...It's known that he was very sought after by the Lakers. As a fan during the Cedric Ceballos era, I can tell you that we didn't just trade players with the intent of breaking up our nucleus.. of course, we were gunna do whatever it took to obtain Shaq, because our front office saw a future dynasty with him, he hadn't even reached his prime...That's not something we can say for KG...Look, we have cap space in 2008 to sign whoever we want, there's no reason to trade away players who have been said to be something special when we can get something like a Bosh in 2 years without trading away key players...We're climbing up the ladder step by step. Be patient...PeACe
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I would take my chances with KG in the next few years and bet the Lakers will get 1 or 2 rings.
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I wouldn't trade Lamar Odom, he's a great team player, always a threat 2 get a triple double, and we'd have to give up way 2 many players 2 get K.G.
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I would take my chances with KG in the next few years and bet the Lakers will get 1 or 2 rings.
OR 3 OR 4 OR 10 8)
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keep talking about depth...fact still remains the only useful player is odom..its trading odom (and questionables) for garnett (amazing player). Use the rocket excuse but Kobe knows he wont bring a team to championship, he'll get close, but he needs an extra push. Garnett could be the answer.
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keep talking about depth...fact still remains the only useful player is odom..its trading odom (and questionables) for garnett (amazing player). Use the rocket excuse but Kobe knows he wont bring a team to championship, he'll get close, but he needs an extra push. Garnett could be the answer.
Or he just needs his supporting cast to step it up...The extra push would be the veteran contributor and serviceable power forward...PeACe
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http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/40667/20060525/garnett_reportedly_on_the_market/
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If I was GM Id trade him for J. Oneal, Croshere and a 1st Round Pick. Oneal isn't happy in India anyway. And it leaves both teams with practically the same: A fast PF as the franchise player. They don't have to re-arrange everything then.
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If I was GM Id trade him for J. Oneal, Croshere and a 1st Round Pick. Oneal isn't happy in India anyway. And it leaves both teams with practically the same: A fast PF as the franchise player. They don't have to re-arrange everything then.
LOL. If Jermaine O'Neal is unhappy in Indiana, why the hell would he be happy in Minnesota? It would never work...They'll just switch roles and be stuck in the same situation...PeACe
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^exactly. they might as well not trade if they're gonna trade to a team with the same problems
who would've ever though we'd see kg or iverson get traded? looks like they're both ready to leave.
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If I was GM Id trade him for J. Oneal, Croshere and a 1st Round Pick. Oneal isn't happy in India anyway. And it leaves both teams with practically the same: A fast PF as the franchise player. They don't have to re-arrange everything then.
LOL. If Jermaine O'Neal is unhappy in Indiana, why the hell would he be happy in Minnesota? It would never work...They'll just switch roles and be stuck in the same situation...PeACe
Well LoL, if you think everyone will turn out happy from this you live in a flower world. You think Odom would love to play in Minnesota? Think again.
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If I was GM Id trade him for J. Oneal, Croshere and a 1st Round Pick. Oneal isn't happy in India anyway. And it leaves both teams with practically the same: A fast PF as the franchise player. They don't have to re-arrange everything then.
LOL. If Jermaine O'Neal is unhappy in Indiana, why the hell would he be happy in Minnesota? It would never work...They'll just switch roles and be stuck in the same situation...PeACe
Well LoL, if you think everyone will turn out happy from this you live in a flower world. You think Odom would love to play in Minnesota? Think again.
It doesn't matter...If Lakers trade Odom, it won't be because of his unhappiness...I doubt we're gunna trade him though, and I really hope we don't...PeACe
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^^Yeah man I don't want Odom to get traded.
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Jermaine aint going nowhere!
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Jermaine aint going nowhere!
LOL. At least you got high hopes...
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Jermaine aint going nowhere!
LOL. At least you got high hopes...
You think he will be traded?
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Jermaine aint going nowhere!
LOL. At least you got high hopes...
You think he will be traded?
Well, it's really lookin' that way as of now...Can't tell for sure though.
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Garnett to Sacramento? A trade rumor that has been gaining some steam since the conclusion of the NBA pre-draft camp, this potential trade would send the disgruntled Kevin Garnett to Sacramento in return for whoever Minnesota wants with the #19 pick, Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas, and a newly signed and traded Bonzi Wells.
http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1341
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Garnett to Sacramento? A trade rumor that has been gaining some steam since the conclusion of the NBA pre-draft camp, this potential trade would send the disgruntled Kevin Garnett to Sacramento in return for whoever Minnesota wants with the #19 pick, Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas, and a newly signed and traded Bonzi Wells.
http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1341
i read about that rumour as well except it didnt include Kenny Thomas and the draft pick
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Garnett to Sacramento? A trade rumor that has been gaining some steam since the conclusion of the NBA pre-draft camp, this potential trade would send the disgruntled Kevin Garnett to Sacramento in return for whoever Minnesota wants with the #19 pick, Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas, and a newly signed and traded Bonzi Wells.
http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1341
i read about that rumour as well except it didnt include Kenny Thomas and the draft pick
Well, Brad Miller & Bonzi Wells for KG would be a horrible trade...The Wolves can do a lot better than that.
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Garnett to Sacramento? A trade rumor that has been gaining some steam since the conclusion of the NBA pre-draft camp, this potential trade would send the disgruntled Kevin Garnett to Sacramento in return for whoever Minnesota wants with the #19 pick, Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas, and a newly signed and traded Bonzi Wells.
http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1341
i read about that rumour as well except it didnt include Kenny Thomas and the draft pick
Well, Brad Miller & Bonzi Wells for KG would be a horrible trade...The Wolves can do a lot better than that.
The only way I see Minny trading Kevin Garnett is if they get Jermaine O'neal in return and according to Larry Bird JO is staying put.
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Garnett to Sacramento? A trade rumor that has been gaining some steam since the conclusion of the NBA pre-draft camp, this potential trade would send the disgruntled Kevin Garnett to Sacramento in return for whoever Minnesota wants with the #19 pick, Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas, and a newly signed and traded Bonzi Wells.
http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1341
i read about that rumour as well except it didnt include Kenny Thomas and the draft pick
Well, Brad Miller & Bonzi Wells for KG would be a horrible trade...The Wolves can do a lot better than that.
The only way I see Minny trading Kevin Garnett is if they get Jermaine O'neal in return and according to Larry Bird JO is staying put.
Not according to most sources...
The talk fast-breaking around the NBA these days is that the Pacers are pushing for major moves involving their star forward, Jermaine O'Neal, while the Timberwolves are sitting back with their star forward, Kevin Garnett, and expected to go forward with pretty much what they have.
-- Chicago Tribune
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scorecard/06/13/truth.rumors.nba/index.html?cnn=yes
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I said it before and I say it again , JO for KG is the best trade BOTH teams are able to get. JO, Croshere and a pick for KG.
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If both the superstars wants to move to try to win a ring, well.. that move doesn't make sense.
If they just wanna change for the fuck of it then yes, it makes sense.
But i don't see the point of changing JO with KG, or viceversa.
It's not that if you do it your team looks better enought to be contender.
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Well, contender teams won't make such a big trade. Only unhappy teams would do such a chemistry-ruining trade.. you think Mavs would trade Dirk for KG, or Suns trade Amare for KG, or Spurs trade Duncan for KG? Fuck no.
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Well, contender teams won't make such a big trade. Only unhappy teams would do such a chemistry-ruining trade.. you think Mavs would trade Dirk for KG, or Suns trade Amare for KG, or Spurs trade Duncan for KG? Fuck no.
Were talking about teams like the Lakers or Kings, who are close to contending...That's the kind of team KG will get traded to if he does get traded. Exchanging Jermaine O'Neal's unhappiness with KG's unhappiness simply won't work. Indiana is not a desirable team to be on right now, and neither is Minnesota. That wasn't the story about 3-4 years ago, but now they want out...PeACe
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Well, contender teams won't make such a big trade. Only unhappy teams would do such a chemistry-ruining trade.. you think Mavs would trade Dirk for KG, or Suns trade Amare for KG, or Spurs trade Duncan for KG? Fuck no.
Were talking about teams like the Lakers or Kings, who are close to contending...That's the kind of team KG will get traded to if he does get traded. Exchanging Jermaine O'Neal's unhappiness with KG's unhappiness simply won't work. Indiana is not a desirable team to be on right now, and neither is Minnesota. That wasn't the story about 3-4 years ago, but now they want out...PeACe
LMFAO, So your saying the Lakers are contenders and the Pacers arent??
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Well, contender teams won't make such a big trade. Only unhappy teams would do such a chemistry-ruining trade.. you think Mavs would trade Dirk for KG, or Suns trade Amare for KG, or Spurs trade Duncan for KG? Fuck no.
Were talking about teams like the Lakers or Kings, who are close to contending...That's the kind of team KG will get traded to if he does get traded. Exchanging Jermaine O'Neal's unhappiness with KG's unhappiness simply won't work. Indiana is not a desirable team to be on right now, and neither is Minnesota. That wasn't the story about 3-4 years ago, but now they want out...PeACe
LMFAO, So your saying the Lakers are contenders and the Pacers arent??
The Lakers are easily closer to contending and a more desirable franchise than the Pacers, yes.
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Well, contender teams won't make such a big trade. Only unhappy teams would do such a chemistry-ruining trade.. you think Mavs would trade Dirk for KG, or Suns trade Amare for KG, or Spurs trade Duncan for KG? Fuck no.
Were talking about teams like the Lakers or Kings, who are close to contending...That's the kind of team KG will get traded to if he does get traded. Exchanging Jermaine O'Neal's unhappiness with KG's unhappiness simply won't work. Indiana is not a desirable team to be on right now, and neither is Minnesota. That wasn't the story about 3-4 years ago, but now they want out...PeACe
LMFAO, So your saying the Lakers are contenders and the Pacers arent??
The Lakers are easily closer to contending and a more desirable franchise than the Pacers, yes.
HAHAHAA What a joke yeah the Lakers are more desirable because the big market but every intelligent NBA fan knows the Pacers are closer to contending than the Lakers. Indiana has EASILY been the most depleted team the last two years with injurys and suspensions and have fared better or just as good as LA (This year both teams out in first round, two years ago LA missed the playoffs and Indy lost in second round) I'll take Jermaine Oneal, Danny Granger, Peja, Fred Jones, Stephen Jackson, and Jamal Tinsley over Kobe and Odom any day.
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i don't think KG would fit in with the lakers
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Well, contender teams won't make such a big trade. Only unhappy teams would do such a chemistry-ruining trade.. you think Mavs would trade Dirk for KG, or Suns trade Amare for KG, or Spurs trade Duncan for KG? Fuck no.
Were talking about teams like the Lakers or Kings, who are close to contending...That's the kind of team KG will get traded to if he does get traded. Exchanging Jermaine O'Neal's unhappiness with KG's unhappiness simply won't work. Indiana is not a desirable team to be on right now, and neither is Minnesota. That wasn't the story about 3-4 years ago, but now they want out...PeACe
LMFAO, So your saying the Lakers are contenders and the Pacers arent??
The Lakers are easily closer to contending and a more desirable franchise than the Pacers, yes.
HAHAHAA What a joke yeah the Lakers are more desirable because the big market but every intelligent NBA fan knows the Pacers are closer to contending than the Lakers. Indiana has EASILY been the most depleted team the last two years with injurys and suspensions and have fared better or just as good as LA (This year both teams out in first round, two years ago LA missed the playoffs and Indy lost in second round) I'll take Jermaine Oneal, Danny Granger, Peja, Fred Jones, Stephen Jackson, and Jamal Tinsley over Kobe and Odom any day.
LOL. That's why no one is happy in Indiana...SHUT THE FUCK UP, IDIOT. You act like your opinion is a fact or something, quit taking shits and eating them. Pacers are a good team, I give them that, but they are FAR from contending for a title. Lakers are just a few minor pieces away... Kobe is a legend entering his prime, Odom is becoming a dangerous threat from anywhere on the floor, Kwame is improving his game a whole lot, Bynum is working his ass off every day in the gym, we have the greatest coach ever, running the most succesful system ever. You have no clue what you're talking about...Jermaine O'Neal would LOVE to be playing on the Lakers right now, not just because of the big market, because of the much higher chances of winning alongside Kobe. Let's bet that the Lakers finish ahead of Indiani next year... ::)
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i don't think KG would fit in with the lakers
Kobe and KG have great chemisty...I think it would be amazing if we could obtain him without trading Odom...
PG Sam Cassell
SG Kobe Bryant
SF Lamar Odom
PF Kevin Garnett
C Kwame Brown
:o :o :o
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Well, contender teams won't make such a big trade. Only unhappy teams would do such a chemistry-ruining trade.. you think Mavs would trade Dirk for KG, or Suns trade Amare for KG, or Spurs trade Duncan for KG? Fuck no.
Were talking about teams like the Lakers or Kings, who are close to contending...That's the kind of team KG will get traded to if he does get traded. Exchanging Jermaine O'Neal's unhappiness with KG's unhappiness simply won't work. Indiana is not a desirable team to be on right now, and neither is Minnesota. That wasn't the story about 3-4 years ago, but now they want out...PeACe
LMFAO, So your saying the Lakers are contenders and the Pacers arent??
The Lakers are easily closer to contending and a more desirable franchise than the Pacers, yes.
HAHAHAA What a joke yeah the Lakers are more desirable because the big market but every intelligent NBA fan knows the Pacers are closer to contending than the Lakers. Indiana has EASILY been the most depleted team the last two years with injurys and suspensions and have fared better or just as good as LA (This year both teams out in first round, two years ago LA missed the playoffs and Indy lost in second round) I'll take Jermaine Oneal, Danny Granger, Peja, Fred Jones, Stephen Jackson, and Jamal Tinsley over Kobe and Odom any day.
LOL. That's why no one is happy in Indiana...SHUT THE FUCK UP, IDIOT. You act like your opinion is a fact or something, quit taking shits and eating them. Pacers are a good team, I give them that, but they are FAR from contending for a title. Lakers are just a few minor pieces away... Kobe is a legend entering his prime, Odom is becoming a dangerous threat from anywhere on the floor, Kwame is improving his game a whole lot, Bynum is working his ass off every day in the gym, we have the greatest coach ever, running the most succesful system ever. You have no clue what you're talking about...Jermaine O'Neal would LOVE to be playing on the Lakers right now, not just because of the big market, because of the much higher chances of winning alongside Kobe. Let's bet that the Lakers finish ahead of Indiani next year... ::)
You Have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. The Pacers have been better the last 2 years and I guarentee they will be better next year. Kwame Brown? Bynum? Shut the Fuck up you act like Kwame is some stud or something dude is the biggest flop in nba history. You have Kobe and thats it, Peja > Odom, S Jackson = Odom. The Pacers are so much deeper than LA its not even funny, you guys bring in Walton or Cook off the bench when we bring in Fred Jones, Danny Granger, Austin Croshere, David Harrison. Sarunas! Get over it LA is a playoff team but Indiana is much closer to contending than LA.
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You Have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. The Pacers have been better the last 2 years and I guarentee they will be better next year. Kwame Brown? Bynum? Shut the Fuck up you act like Kwame is some stud or something dude is the biggest flop in nba history. You have Kobe and thats it,
Indiana was better last year? And you say I have no idea what I'm talking about? Dude, are you retarded?... Indiana was 41-41 in the EAST. Lakers were 45-37... and don't give me that injury crap, we had key players sitting out the whole season. You're speaking out your ass...Kwame, the biggest bust in NBA history? LMFAO. Dude is 24 years old and just had his career year. Look at his number increase in the second half of the season and playoffs...He's developing nicely with the Lakers. Michael Olowakandi can't even find work...How do you even have the nerve to say something like that?
Peja > Odom
LMFAO!!! :stupid:
S Jackson = Odom. The Pacers are so much deeper than LA its not even funny, you guys bring in Walton or Cook off the bench when we bring in Fred Jones, Danny Granger, Austin Croshere, David Harrison. Sarunas! Get over it LA is a playoff team but Indiana is much closer to contending than LA.
OMG! Fred Jones and David Harrison!!! And Sarunas!!!...LMAO. Yea, Lakers aren't deep, but the sad thing is, we're known as a team with not much depth and we can still actually compare to Indiana's depth. Our team looked lopsided, true, but Indiana has NO ONE on Kobe's level. On top of that, Lakers are a WAY younger team. A new system was being inserted for its first year, and look how far we went...Next year, we're gunna be THAT much better...I don't really see Indiana improving as of now...You're an ignorant, biased fan. Bring this thread up in a year so we can all laugh at you...PeACe
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You Have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. The Pacers have been better the last 2 years and I guarentee they will be better next year. Kwame Brown? Bynum? Shut the Fuck up you act like Kwame is some stud or something dude is the biggest flop in nba history. You have Kobe and thats it,
Indiana was better last year? And you say I have no idea what I'm talking about? Dude, are you retarded?... Indiana was 41-41 in the EAST. Lakers were 45-37... and don't give me that injury crap, we had key players sitting out the whole season. You're speaking out your ass...Kwame, the biggest bust in NBA history? LMFAO. Dude is 24 years old and just had his career year. Look at his number increase in the second half of the season and playoffs...He's developing nicely with the Lakers. Michael Olowakandi can't even find work...How do you even have the nerve to say something like that?
Peja > Odom
LMFAO!!! :stupid:
S Jackson = Odom. The Pacers are so much deeper than LA its not even funny, you guys bring in Walton or Cook off the bench when we bring in Fred Jones, Danny Granger, Austin Croshere, David Harrison. Sarunas! Get over it LA is a playoff team but Indiana is much closer to contending than LA.
OMG! Fred Jones and David Harrison!!! And Sarunas!!!...LMAO. Yea, Lakers aren't deep, but the sad thing is, we're known as a team with not much depth and we can still actually compare to Indiana's depth. Our team looked lopsided, true, but Indiana has NO ONE on Kobe's level. On top of that, Lakers are a WAY younger team. A new system was being inserted for its first year, and look how far we went...Next year, we're gunna be THAT much better...I don't really see Indiana improving as of now...You're an ignorant, biased fan. Bring this thread up in a year so we can all laugh at you...PeACe
We were a better team last year, and by the way the Lakers injury problems werent a tenth as bad as the pacers. When we had Artest he missed 90% of the games, JO was out almost half the year, Tinsley was hurt half the year, Bender had to retire, Foster was out almost half the year. Give me a fuckin break retard the Pacers used over 35 starting lineups last year cause they had to and they still went as far as the Lakers went. And LMAO at you shrugging off Fred Jones, dude is easily one of the best bench players in the league who would start on many teams. It is a known fact that the Pacers are one of the deepest teams in the league while the Lakers arent.
Tinsley > Parker
Kobe > S. Jackson
Peja > Odom
JO > Brown
Foster > Mihm
Plus are bench is twice as good and yes Phil might be the best coach ever, but anytime a discussion of the best coaches in the league comes up Carlisle is always mentioned at the top of the list. Pacers >Lakers
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We were a better team last year, and by the way the Lakers injury problems werent a tenth as bad as the pacers. When we had Artest he missed 90% of the games, JO was out almost half the year, Tinsley was hurt half the year, Bender had to retire, Foster was out almost half the year. Give me a fuckin break retard the Pacers used over 35 starting lineups last year cause they had to and they still went as far as the Lakers went. And LMAO at you shrugging off Fred Jones, dude is easily one of the best bench players in the league who would start on many teams. It is a known fact that the Pacers are one of the deepest teams in the league while the Lakers arent.
LOL. You're a joke, man...Explain to me how they were "better" last year with a worse record in the east...Please. Artest isn't part of your team, get over it. Bender has barely contributed shit to the franchise since he was drafted. JO and Tinsley were hurt, I'll give you that, but try having your most reliable back-up obtain an injury in the first few weeks causing him to sit out the whole season. Try having your projected starting point guard and only veteran leader start the season injured, only to later realize he's going to sit out the whole season. Try having one of your few bigs and a coach favorite who understands the system sit out the whole season after the first 2 games of the season because of back problems...Try having your most developed rookie start the season 6 months late because he had to have a heart-valve replaced...I can keep going too. The bottom line is, with or without injury, Lakers proved to be a better team than the Pacers last year, not just by faring better in the regular season in a tougher conference, but also faring better in the playoffs vs. a tougher opponent. Fred Jones is decent at best. Kareem Rush > Fred Jones.
Tinsley > Parker
Kobe > S. Jackson
Peja > Odom
JO > Brown
Foster > Mihm
Plus are bench is twice as good and yes Phil might be the best coach ever, but anytime a discussion of the best coaches in the league comes up Carlisle is always mentioned at the top of the list. Pacers >Lakers
Okay, PLEASE tell me that was a joke. If not, you're hilariously dumber than I initially thought.
Tinsley < Parker
Kobe >>>>>>>>>> S. Jackson
Peja <<< Odom
JO >>>>> Brown
Foster << Mihm
And that's without taking into account how much younger and less experienced the Lakers are. And what coach is running the team, how long their systems have been implamented, etc...Like I said, PLEASE bring this thread up in a year so we can all laugh at you. :-X
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JO and KG are the only two players I'd take in a trade for Odom. Honestly though, either one can come in and help us to that next level. In the end though, It's Kobe's team, and I think he'd have the final word, not Sccit.
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In the end though, It's Kobe's team, and I think he'd have the final word, not Sccit.
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In the end though, It's Kobe's team, and I think he'd have the final word, not Sccit.
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just a jab for old times sake.
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Well, contender teams won't make such a big trade. Only unhappy teams would do such a chemistry-ruining trade.. you think Mavs would trade Dirk for KG, or Suns trade Amare for KG, or Spurs trade Duncan for KG? Fuck no.
Were talking about teams like the Lakers or Kings, who are close to contending...That's the kind of team KG will get traded to if he does get traded. Exchanging Jermaine O'Neal's unhappiness with KG's unhappiness simply won't work. Indiana is not a desirable team to be on right now, and neither is Minnesota. That wasn't the story about 3-4 years ago, but now they want out...PeACe
LMFAO, So your saying the Lakers are contenders and the Pacers arent??
Lakers+KG (Kobe+KG+Phil) are contenders. Pacers with just KG instead of JO no. So if KG wants to be traded to an elite team, he shouldn't consider Indiana.
Sacramento+KG (Artest+KG) might be close to be considered contenders. If i was KG i'd rather go to L.A., but Sacramento is cool too, with Artest.
Indiana got nothing to offer at the moment.
And i'm not disrespecting them, they are my 2nd fav team in the league.
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That would be so fucking sick if the lakers can somehow get KG without trading Odom.I just hope that if the lakers do trade Odom it better be for another All star calibur player.
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Kobe <<<<<<<<<< S. Jackson
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Kobe <<<<<<<<<< S. Jackson
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Error...Edited.
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LMAO@Lakers trading for KG without including Odom, LOL!
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id do it if they sign and trade banks too us and throw in hasell
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i don't know about KG , i've never been a firm believer in the dude, RIGHT now i'd keep odom and concentrate on getting a better quality point guard, but if we can get rid something else for garnette i wouldn't mind , but right now we need odom
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We were a better team last year, and by the way the Lakers injury problems werent a tenth as bad as the pacers. When we had Artest he missed 90% of the games, JO was out almost half the year, Tinsley was hurt half the year, Bender had to retire, Foster was out almost half the year. Give me a fuckin break retard the Pacers used over 35 starting lineups last year cause they had to and they still went as far as the Lakers went. And LMAO at you shrugging off Fred Jones, dude is easily one of the best bench players in the league who would start on many teams. It is a known fact that the Pacers are one of the deepest teams in the league while the Lakers arent.
LOL. You're a joke, man...Explain to me how they were "better" last year with a worse record in the east...Please. Artest isn't part of your team, get over it. Bender has barely contributed shit to the franchise since he was drafted. JO and Tinsley were hurt, I'll give you that, but try having your most reliable back-up obtain an injury in the first few weeks causing him to sit out the whole season. Try having your projected starting point guard and only veteran leader start the season injured, only to later realize he's going to sit out the whole season. Try having one of your few bigs and a coach favorite who understands the system sit out the whole season after the first 2 games of the season because of back problems...Try having your most developed rookie start the season 6 months late because he had to have a heart-valve replaced...I can keep going too. The bottom line is, with or without injury, Lakers proved to be a better team than the Pacers last year, not just by faring better in the regular season in a tougher conference, but also faring better in the playoffs vs. a tougher opponent. Fred Jones is decent at best. Kareem Rush > Fred Jones.
Tinsley > Parker
Kobe > S. Jackson
Peja > Odom
JO > Brown
Foster > Mihm
Plus are bench is twice as good and yes Phil might be the best coach ever, but anytime a discussion of the best coaches in the league comes up Carlisle is always mentioned at the top of the list. Pacers >Lakers
Okay, PLEASE tell me that was a joke. If not, you're hilariously dumber than I initially thought.
Tinsley < Parker
Kobe >>>>>>>>>> S. Jackson
Peja <<< Odom
JO >>>>> Brown
Foster << Mihm
And that's without taking into account how much younger and less experienced the Lakers are. And what coach is running the team, how long their systems have been implamented, etc...Like I said, PLEASE bring this thread up in a year so we can all laugh at you. :-X
Dont worry I cant wait to bring this up in a year when The Pacers are by far the better team. Looking at it completely unbiased this is how it goes,
Tinsley > Parker (Smush is young but his game isnt quite with jamal's yet)
Kobe > S. Jackson (Jackson scores 16 a game so he's no slouch but yeah kobe's the best)
Peja = Odom (Both good players but either have played to thier potential)
JO > Brown (Not even close)
Foster > Mihm (Foster averages almost 10 boards a game and knows his role def better than mihm)
Eat a dick bitch
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We were a better team last year, and by the way the Lakers injury problems werent a tenth as bad as the pacers. When we had Artest he missed 90% of the games, JO was out almost half the year, Tinsley was hurt half the year, Bender had to retire, Foster was out almost half the year. Give me a fuckin break retard the Pacers used over 35 starting lineups last year cause they had to and they still went as far as the Lakers went. And LMAO at you shrugging off Fred Jones, dude is easily one of the best bench players in the league who would start on many teams. It is a known fact that the Pacers are one of the deepest teams in the league while the Lakers arent.
LOL. You're a joke, man...Explain to me how they were "better" last year with a worse record in the east...Please. Artest isn't part of your team, get over it. Bender has barely contributed shit to the franchise since he was drafted. JO and Tinsley were hurt, I'll give you that, but try having your most reliable back-up obtain an injury in the first few weeks causing him to sit out the whole season. Try having your projected starting point guard and only veteran leader start the season injured, only to later realize he's going to sit out the whole season. Try having one of your few bigs and a coach favorite who understands the system sit out the whole season after the first 2 games of the season because of back problems...Try having your most developed rookie start the season 6 months late because he had to have a heart-valve replaced...I can keep going too. The bottom line is, with or without injury, Lakers proved to be a better team than the Pacers last year, not just by faring better in the regular season in a tougher conference, but also faring better in the playoffs vs. a tougher opponent. Fred Jones is decent at best. Kareem Rush > Fred Jones.
Tinsley > Parker
Kobe > S. Jackson
Peja > Odom
JO > Brown
Foster > Mihm
Plus are bench is twice as good and yes Phil might be the best coach ever, but anytime a discussion of the best coaches in the league comes up Carlisle is always mentioned at the top of the list. Pacers >Lakers
Okay, PLEASE tell me that was a joke. If not, you're hilariously dumber than I initially thought.
Tinsley < Parker
Kobe >>>>>>>>>> S. Jackson
Peja <<< Odom
JO >>>>> Brown
Foster << Mihm
And that's without taking into account how much younger and less experienced the Lakers are. And what coach is running the team, how long their systems have been implamented, etc...Like I said, PLEASE bring this thread up in a year so we can all laugh at you. :-X
Dont worry I cant wait to bring this up in a year when The Pacers are by far the better team. Looking at it completely unbiased this is how it goes,
Tinsley > Parker (Smush is young but his game isnt quite with jamal's yet)
Kobe > S. Jackson (Jackson scores 16 a game so he's no slouch but yeah kobe's the best)
Peja = Odom (Both good players but either have played to thier potential)
JO > Brown (Not even close)
Foster > Mihm (Foster averages almost 10 boards a game and knows his role def better than mihm)
Eat a dick bitch
Dude, you're not making sense. Why do you think Jermaine O'Neal is unhappy and wants to be traded? Because Indiana is close to contending? LMAO. Get your head out your ass man, you guys have a good squad, but you're not contending anytime soon, especially with your biggest superstar unpleased with the team and looking to get moved...You think Kobe wants to be moved? No, because he believes and KNOWS were building something special, unlike Jermain O'Neal, who (once again) wants to be traded...
I'm gunna compare the starting line-ups, though all it really takes is Kobe, since he's been a good portion of our team on both ends and because he's so much better than anyone else being compared, but Kobe's not the only one better...
Smush Parker > Jamaal Tinsley. Why? Compare stats. Smush Parker had no place in the NBA back in October and managed to put up nicer stats than Tinsley, while being MUCH younger and a lot less experienced...
Kobe >>>>>>>>>> S. Jackson. This one doesn't really need any explaining.
Peja <<< Odom. Are you kidding me? Don't tell me you honestly believe Peja is as good as Odom. Come on, man, this HAS to be a joke. Odom is an underrated defender while Peja is a one-dimensional player. Odom is the opposite of that, he'll fill in the stat-sheet night in and night out, while Peja's main steez is tossing up threes...I don't really think this is comparable, Sacramento was dying to trade Peja for Odom last year...
JO >>>>> Brown. Yes. Finally, someone better in your line-up. But we're comparing your superstar (or should I say "unhappy" superstar) to a player who's been considered a bust and is slowly improving in every aspect. Kwame is still a great defender and is fully capable of guarding someone like Jermaine O'Neal, as he's showed us this season...
Foster << Mihm. Once again, compare stats and ages. Mihm not only put up way nicer stats (minus the rebounds, because Odom grabs most out rebounds), but he's also the younger talent...Not THAT much better, but I guarantee you teams are taking a Mihm over a Foster...
Okay...Lakers are obviously headed towards a smoother path (ex: no players wanna be traded), especially with all the young talent we have on our team, and cap-space in 2007...You just speak out of your ass because you're an Indiana fan...Now do us all a favor and don't reply until the Lakers shit on your Pacers next year...PeACe
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http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=113773.0
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Let it go, he aint coming to the LAkers :(
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Let it go, he aint coming to the LAkers :(
I honestly don't believe he will, but I'm still gunna keep it updated with news regarding the issue, since it's definitely not out of the question...PeACe
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Snoop showing everyone why he is the king of the west... the man is like Michael... has his hands in everything.
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if we can somehow get kg and sam cassell - we will be in the finals next season! kg and sam made it to the conference finals with sprewell, so there's no way they wouldn't make the finals (and more than likely win it all) with kobe.
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A man can dream. ;)
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Cassell
Kobe
Odom
KG
Brown
I would shit in my pants if this team ever assembles. ;D
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Cassell
Kobe
Odom
KG
Brown
I would shit in my pants if this team ever assembles. ;D
How could you get KG without trading Odom?? In fact you couldnt get KG unless you traded Kobe and that aint gonna happen
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Cassell
Kobe
Odom
KG
Brown
I would shit in my pants if this team ever assembles. ;D
How could you get KG without trading Odom?? In fact you couldnt get KG unless you traded Kobe and that aint gonna happen
Fill-ins...I posted the scenerio in some other thread, something like Mihm+Smush+George+McKie+Cook+Future Draft Picks for KG+Justin Reed could actually work out for both teams...Hey, it's a pipe-dream, but it's never impossible...PeACe
LMAO@Kobe ...Lakers better get the whole T-Wolves team for Kobe. LOL. And McHale better start playing as well...In his prime.
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Tall thought: Shorter Bulls (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-061105smith,1,5186748.column?coll=cs-bulls-utility)
November 6, 2006
Well, here are the Bulls again. Same 1-2 start as last season, last place in the Central Division and they can't score. So you trade Luol Deng for … no, I'm not ready for that yet. I might, though, take a look at committing to a small lineup, Andres Nocioni playing forward with Deng.
Look, the Bulls are going to be small no matter whom they play. Ben Wallace will be fine, but he's no longer that Ben Wallace who can dominate a game on defense. It may be better to give him four offensive players to work with and take your chances.
I know, the Bulls are very small without P.J. Brown, who hasn't made a shot in his last 11 quarters and is 0-for-8 the last two games. And Brown brings those intangibles that made Antonio Davis so successful here two seasons ago. But the Bulls are an aggressive defensive team that plays help defense well. In effect, they can zone the post and overplay it with Wallace and let teams beat try to them from outside.
It would be a risk against a team like the Bucks, Monday's opponent, who have plenty of size inside with Andrew Bogut and Charlie Villanueva. But it might be worth a shot unless the Bulls can get Kevin Garnett quickly.
Please, forget about that one. Consecutive Bulls losses usually mean I get questions about trading for Garnett. It has long been one of my favorite column topics, though I'm about done with it. I can't help it if the Timberwolves don't realize it's what they should have done.
Though they have started 2-1 after a loss in Portland on Saturday night, the T'wolves hardly seem to be going anywhere, patching with Mike James and hoping for the return of Troy Hudson. They seem to have made a classic draft mistake, using the No. 6 pick for Brandon Roy and then trading him for cash and the rights to Randy Foye at No. 7.
Roy has been the best rookie so far, averaging 18.3 points, 4.3 rebounds and 5.0 assists playing mostly point guard and getting more than 38 minutes per game. It's looking like the 1998 draft, when Golden State swapped Vince Carter for the right to pick Antawn Jamison. The Warriors were heavily criticized, but it didn't work out that badly.
"From his first game and my first game they were like, 'The Timberwolves traded Brandon Roy and got Randy Foye—was that a smart move?'" Foye said. "But he's on a younger team and I'm on a veteran team, so it's different. Time will tell."
Foye should be a solid player, though Garnett needs more than that to compete for the championship he says he wants.
I'm saying he gets it with the Lakers.
Garnett, always difficult to pin down on or off the court, seemed to commit to the Timberwolves in comments to Minneapolis reporters before the season.
"It's sad we live in a society that's not built off loyalty and consistency," Garnett said. "Everybody speaks from the newsstand, and the newsstand seems to be, 'That ain't working out for him. He needs to leave.' But if I was to go off what everybody else wants me to do, I'd probably be broke, out of the league, living under a bridge.
"I've always respected the fact—and this is nothing toward people who move around—one guy can put his mark on a franchise, and a city and a state. That's one of the things I appreciated most about Kirby Puckett. That when you think of the Minnesota Twins, you think of Kirb. I'm pretty sure it would be weird to see me playing in another uniform."
So is he staying, then?
"I can remember Kirb always saying, 'Man, it's about winning and making sure you're happy,'" Garnett said. "One of the things I took from him was [to] always respect winning. I would love to stay—that's my plan. But it's got to be within the boundaries of winning."
Garnett lives in Malibu, Calif. He has an escape clause in his contract after next season. My guess is he uses it, even with $23 million left for one season, and joins Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom on the Lakers.
It looks as if the Lakers have a young center find in Andrew Bynum, off the way he has played so far. Garnett will be 32 then and in perfect position to be an ideal supporting piece. The Lakers could give him a long-term contract because their payroll would be shrinking by then. They've had a great start, but you figure they're treading water.
It seems as if Garnett will play out this season in Minnesota, and then they'll face the question of whether to try to trade him and get something or risk losing him after next season. It won't be the first management mishap for the Timberwolves.
Still a possibility...(not for Bynum + Odom though).
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Garnett lives in Malibu, Calif. He has an escape clause in his contract after next season. My guess is he uses it, even with $23 million left for one season, and joins Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom on the Lakers.
It looks as if the Lakers have a young center find in Andrew Bynum, off the way he has played so far. Garnett will be 32 then and in perfect position to be an ideal supporting piece. The Lakers could give him a long-term contract because their payroll would be shrinking by then. They've had a great start, but you figure they're treading water.
Dump Mihm next season (whose contract is up) and pick up Garnett. ;D Would work well since he already lives in L.A.
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Garnett lives in Malibu, Calif. He has an escape clause in his contract after next season. My guess is he uses it, even with $23 million left for one season, and joins Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom on the Lakers.
It looks as if the Lakers have a young center find in Andrew Bynum, off the way he has played so far. Garnett will be 32 then and in perfect position to be an ideal supporting piece. The Lakers could give him a long-term contract because their payroll would be shrinking by then. They've had a great start, but you figure they're treading water.
Dump Mihm next season (whose contract is up) and pick up Garnett. ;D Would work well since he already lives in L.A.
I really hope Mihm raises his trade value when he returns, cuz I'd hate to lose him for nothing.
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christ, you guys are still hoping for garnett? damn.
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christ, you guys are still hoping for garnett? damn.
Not really, I could give a fuck less, I wouldn't even trade Turiaf for Garnett... but the article came up and it was pretty interesting as well as related to this topic...PeACe
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christ, you guys are still hoping for garnett? damn.
How bout them Mavs?
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Live From Staples: Lakers vs. Timberwolves
Insert your pregame chatter here. Game time is right around the corner! (http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2006/11/live_from_stapl.html#more)
AK will be guiding the mothership for the first quarter.
They're doing pre-game introductions. Interestingly enough, when KG got announced, there were a fair amount of cheers filling up Staples. Is that simply appreciation of Garnett's obvious greatness or people practicing the cheering they'll be doing for him as a Laker, as the rumor mill would have you believe? You make the call.
More: http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2006/11/live_from_stapl.html#more
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Garnett in gold? Lakers should try to acquire T'wolves superstar
The Lakers have a few young, talented players, but would that be enough to land Kevin Garnett in a trade? (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/arash_markazi/11/08/on.scene/)
Posted: Wednesday November 8, 2006 4:28PM
Updated: Wednesday November 8, 2006 6:05PM
LOS ANGELES -- The possible key to the Lakers' next championship run is sitting in the visiting locker room of Staples Center. He is adjusting the big diamond earrings in both of his earlobes as he sits on a trainers table and chats with Barry Bonds. His smile soon turns into a glare as he slips on a white sweat jacket and addresses a handful of reporters standing around his locker. His sullen demeanor -- bowed head, low, raspy answers to questions -- after the team's third loss in five games has become common place. It's the type of attitude one would expect from a superstar wasting the prime of his career on a team destined for a third straight lottery pick.
Things could be so much different for Kevin Garnett.
He knows that. He may not want to talk about it, but he knows. How can he not?
Less than three years ago, he was in the same building on the precipice of taking the Timberwolves to their first NBA Finals before he was stopped one game shy. Since walking off the Staples Center court that night he has not come close to making the playoffs.
In fact, not only have the team's wins dropped every season since but so have his statistics in points, rebounds and blocks. It's not that he has deteriorated because of old age, although it is somewhat surprising to learn that Garnett, the player who pioneered the recent high school-to-NBA era over a decade ago, celebrated his 30th birthday in May. No, father time hasn't gotten the better of him. His team has. His management has. His patience has.
Judging from the careers of big men who have gone before him, Garnett has five quality seasons left in him. Five more years before critics start wondering if he's lost a step, lost his shot, lost his game. Every one of those seasons that Garnett spends languishing in Minnesota is as lost as a winter day spent in Mankato instead of Malibu.
About a month after Garnett's last trip to the playoffs, another player who walked off the same court that night can relate to his frustration. While Kobe Bryant's statistics have increased every season since 2004 and he took the Lakers to the brink of the second round of the playoffs last season, he knows he is far from captaining a championship team. He has said that on numerous occasions and no amount of jersey number switches will change that. There are, however, a number of player switches that could do the trick.
It's no secret that Lakers owner Jerry Buss loves stars. He created his current empire by drafting and signing them and created his larger-than-life image by wining and dining with them. He even got his own star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame last week. He knows that championships are won by star tandems. Magic and Kareem, Michael and Scottie, Shaq and Kobe, and in his dream world, Kobe and KG.
It's a Hollywood marriage almost too good not to take place in a wedding chapel in Vegas with paparazzi pictures splashed all over TMZ.com the next day.
Of course, to get a star you have to part with a star, and Lamar Odom has proven himself to be just that so far this season, especially while Bryant was out the first two games, scoring 34 points and grabbing 13 rebounds in the season opener against Phoenix. The fact that Odom had his most productive game while Bryant was on the sideline is no surprise. That will always be the case with the 27-year-old forward who never seems to be the player he can be when Bryant is on the floor. Watching Odom play at times last season with Bryant was almost like watching the tortoise going into his shell when placed next the hare. To equal out the contracts and give Minnesota another big man, the Lakers would also part with 24-year-old Kwame Brown, the No. 1 overall pick in the draft five years ago. Timberwolves fans might laugh, expecting to get more for Garnett (Lakers fans probably had similar thoughts about trading Shaq three years ago), but in terms of age, production and salary, there aren't many deals better out there, especially if the Lakers throw in a couple of draft picks.
Now, all of this is mere speculation. No one knows what will happen with Garnett. Not this season. Not even next season. Not even his longtime friend, brother-in-law and record producer "Jimmy Jam" Harris knows. "I have no idea. I have no say in that," said Harris, who was chatting with Garnett and Bonds after the game. "Even if I did, I wouldn't use it. I just want what's best for [Kevin]. I want him to sniff that ring."
Garnett is in the third season of a five-year deal paying about $100 million but can opt out during the summer of 2008. Unless the Timberwolves drastically revamp their roster, the smart money is on Garnett leaving and landing on a team that will at least allow him to play through May. That's why the chances of anything happening with Garnett this season seem remote at best and anything happening before the All-Star break next season seems only slightly better.
Garnett, however, at any point could wield his power and control his own destiny if he chooses to do so. He could ask Minnesota for a trade and tell them that he plans to opt out of his contract after next season. All he has to do is look at the makeup of the Timberwolves this season and look ahead and see that the majority of this same group is locked up the next two years with little to no wiggle room under the cap. If Garnett sees something more than a lottery team, he may stick around, but if he's realistic, he'll push for his exit out of the Great Lakes region and there is no better destination for him to end up than the team that was originally named after those lakes.
The combination of Garnett and Bryant, who turned 28 this summer, would be the league's most potent 1-2 punch for the next five years and give both players the running mates they need to make a legitimate push for a championship year in and year out. It would also give Garnett the national stage in a major market he hasn't had after spending his entire career in Minneapolis. In addition to having superstar teammate in Bryant, Garnett would also be able to mentor Andrew Bynum, who became one of the last high school players to jump straight to the NBA after the league shut that door on prep players, 11 years after Garnett's surprising leap.
Bynum, who just turned 19, has already come into his own this season, starting the first five games and leading the Lakers to a 95-88 win over the Timberwolves on Tuesday night, scoring a team-high 20 points and grabbing a game-high 14 rebounds.
"He's got confidence," said Garnett, who had 26 points and nine rebounds before fouling out. "I've been there. He's got some of the moves and he's comfortable with the game and you can just see it in the young fella. I'm really happy for him. He's just got to continue to work. I just hope he doesn't get complacent and happy where he is. If he continues to work, good things are going to happen for that kid."
For now, Garnett isn't thinking or talking about his future outside of returning home and getting the Timberwolves out of their current 2-3 hole and maybe a game over .500, which would be ten games better than the team finished last season.
"We're still a work in progress," said Garnett. "I don't mind being a cheerleader and letting guys know that I'm still with them because no one's Jesus Christ in this game and Michael Jordan was probably the closest to that and even he had some tough nights. So I got to let my teammates know that I'm still with them and this is a group thing and team thing."
:nawty: Dude said we should trade Odom AND Kwame for Garnett...Hope nothing like that ever happens...PeACe