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Italian football's tangled web
The match-fixing scandal which has engulfed Italian football has stunned fans across Europe.
It is an extraordinary tale involving wiretaps, illicit meetings and even allegations of locking referees in dressing rooms.
BBC Sport spoke to Italian sport journalist Giancarlo Galavotti to unravel the tangled web which has shaken Italian football.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED?
Some of the biggest clubs and individuals in Italian football have found themselves at the centre of match-fixing allegations.
The scandal revolves around transcripts of phone taps which appear to show key figures in Italian football putting pressure on referees to favour certain clubs.
The allegations were uncovered as prosecutors investigated doping allegations at Juventus, Italy's most popular and successful club.
That probe, which resulted in club doctor Riccardo Agricola being found guilty of administering drugs to players in the mid-90s, resulted in phone taps being ordered by Turin prosecutors.
As a result, Juventus - winners of their 29th Serie A title on 14 May - have been implicated alongside AC Milan, Fiorentina and Lazio.
Juventus' general manager Luciano Moggi, who resigned after Juve secured the title, is at the centre of the scandal although he has protested his innocence.
Italian football federation (FIGC) president Franco Carraro and vice-president Innocenzo Mazzini have also resigned and the pair, along with Juventus chairman Antonio Giraudo, are among those under formal investigation.
Galavotti, who writes for Italian daily sport newspaper La Gazzetta dello Sport, told BBC Sport: "Our sales have rocketed by about 50,000 copies a day since this happened.
"Even old women going to the market in the morning want to read about this. It is astonishing."
WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC ALLEGATIONS?
Prosecutors are investigating Moggi and Giraudo for allegedly detaining referee Gianluca Paparesta and his two assistants in a changing room after Juve's 2-1 loss at Reggina in November 2004.
They are alleged to have berated the officials for not favouring Juve during the game.
In another transcript published by the Italian media, Moggi speaks to Pierluiggi Pairetto, the vice-chairman of Uefa's referees' commission, putting pressure on him to appoint a referee who will be favourable to Juve.
And on Tuesday Italian newspapers printed wiretaps of calls Moggi made to government minister Giuseppe Pisanu.
The Juve boss is alleged to have tried to persuade Pisanu to give the go-ahead to games despite the imminent death of Pope John Paul II - Juventus were scheduled to play against Fiorentina, who had two players suspended and two injured.
The game was cancelled when the Pope died and Pisanu, who is alleged to have asked for help for a lower-division team in his local area in return, has angrily denied any wrong-doing.
The troubles for Moggi do not stop there - he is under separate investigations with prosecutors in Naples and Rome looking into illegal gambling and the operation of a management company owned by his son Alessandro.
Meanwhile, Italy and Juventus goalkeeper Gianluigi Buffon, still the world's most expensive 'keeper, is being probed over allegations he gambled on matches - strictly forbidden in Italy.
WHO IS LUCIANO MOGGI?
Moggi has been with Juventus for 12 years and is one of Italian football's most powerful men.
Galavotti said Moggi had a formidable reputation.
"He has been considered as a sort of godfather of Italian football. When he joined Juventus 12 years ago, he was very sought after," he told BBC Sport.
"Until very recently Inter Milan were hoping to secure his services.
"The power of Moggi was already legendary 12 years ago, although not because of an ability to manipulate referees - that would have been too much.
"But he was considered to be ruler of the transfer market. It was commonly felt there wouldn't be a transfer in Italy without Moggi's consent."
HOW SERIOUS IS THIS?
These events could prove even more serious than the events of 1980 when AC Milan and Lazio were demoted to Serie B following an investigation into match-fixing.
Galavotti said: "If it is proven that a club executive was successful in procuring illicit advantages in a match, that would be very serious.
"It might not just be demotion to Serie B - it could be a matter of how many divisions. They could go even below Serie B."
Juventus, who are owned by the powerful Agnelli family that also control car manufacturers Fiat, have qualified for next season's Champions League and Lazio for next season's Uefa Cup but both would be kicked out should the allegations be proven.
That would have a huge financial impact - Juve's shares had fallen by 20% by the time they were suspended on Monday - and there are other implications for Serie A after former senator Guido Rossi was named as "extraordinary commissioner" of the FIGC with emergency powers to reform the game.
Galavotti said: "His powers will be almost absolute. He could decide that next season's Serie A could be 16 teams instead of 20.
"Also, people say the state of Italian football is such that it is virtually impossible for the next season to start in August. Some say it will start as late as October."
HOW HAVE PEOPLE REACTED?
Needless to say, fans, media and even those who do not normally follow football have been stunned.
Galavotti said: "I would compare it to the fall of the fascist regime in Italy. When it fell, everybody was more or less compromised, because it could not have stood in power for 20 years by itself.
"People would not admit to being fascist, but they were concealing or pretending that they never were, switching sides with alarming ease.
"There are plenty who are saying that nothing has been proven and nobody has been indicted of anything yet.
"Moggi and Giraudo say they are victims and that things will be clarified to show just how innocent they are.
"But the gut feeling among the vast majority of Italians is that this is scandal the likes of which there hasn't been before, at least in European football."
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its going down...its messed up
despite what many people might say, juve doesnt need to do all this to win matches
peace
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I'm patiently waiting for the result of the investigations. Then i'll ask everybody who's saying Juve fixed some games to apologize.
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I'm patiently waiting for the result of the investigations. Then i'll ask everybody who's saying Juve fixed some games to apologize.
You're really not concerned about all this?
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I'm patiently waiting for the result of the investigations. Then i'll ask everybody who's saying Juve fixed some games to apologize.
You're really not concerned about all this?
Like i told you all..
Some quick news from Italy..
- Inter and AC Milan are investigated for fixing balances of their clubs.
- Fiorentina is in big problems too, for having paid to win the last games of Serie A two years ago (he finished at 1 point from going to Serie B)
- Lazio is fucked up. Berlusconi and Galliani helped owner Lotito to illegally save the club. Nesta went to AC Milan that year.
- Roma is in troubles. They found that Roma owner changed Nakata's antidoping tests with Pagotto (2nd GK). Pagotto was not doped, while Nakata was. But they changed them. NAKATA USED/USES DRUGS, IT'S OFFICIAL. A tribunal just said it, and Roma is about to give Pagotto money back as to refund him.
They "used" Juventus' GM Moggi to make some noise, but those are the big fishes.
More coming soon.... right now it's a WAR here in Italy.
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That shit's straight up mafia
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Yeah, it is. The thing they did to Pagotto to "save" Nakata is absurd. That young talentuous GK was been banned for 2 years and from that day he never found a team to play not only in Serie A, but even in Serie C and D. They destroyed him as a man and as a GK. To save the 25m € transfer of Nakata from Perugia to AS Roma.
In 1998 Milan and Inter switched some players from the Youth Team. They both overpaid them 10-12m of € per player, just to fix balances. It's a proven fact.
There are phone calls where Fiorentina's GM buys some games to save his team from Serie B.
MOGGI HAS NEVER BOUGHT A MATCH!! THERE ARE NO CALLS TO PROVE IT.
Same with Berlusconi saving Lazio to get Nesta (for half the price Inter and Juventus were offering Lazio).
(or Parma to get Gilardino)
It's all Mafia, you're right.
But that's the reason why i DON'T ACCEPT THE MEDIA BLAMING ONLY LUCIANO MOGGI AND JUVENTUS..
At the end of the day, like i said, there's NOTHING against us. It's just that we're the best team in Italy, and people is jealous. But by blaming us, they made a Katrina!! FUCK THEM. Read the article: the guy is saying Gazzetta dello Sport (our most important sportal newspeaper) increased sales for more than 50,000 units. Here it is. They did it only by blaming Moggi. But now the end is coming to the light, and the whole Italian Serie A is fucked up. They destroyed the toy just to blame Juventus. And they did the same with the doping trial: tell that animal from Gazzetta who made the quoted article in the first post that a judge said JUVENTUS HAS NEVER DOPED PLAYERS. It took 7 fucking years for him to say so, but at the end of the day we're 101% INNOCENT AND WE NEVER DOPED A SINGLE FUCKING PLAYER. Certified by 7 years of investigations.
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I'm patiently waiting for the result of the investigations. Then i'll ask everybody who's saying Juve fixed some games to apologize.
You're really not concerned about all this?
- Fiorentina is in big problems too, for having paid to win the last games of Serie A two years ago (he finished at 1 point from going to Serie B)
this bothers me the most. This shit put us in the relegation play-off vs B-ologna.
Parma-Juventus games over the years have never been short of sceptical refereeing desicions, but I won't dig into that. But I will say this season- the penalty Vieira won, was non-existant, and even worse Corradi was manhandled to the floor by Cannavaro, seconds later, which was surely a certain penalty, and nothing was given.
I'm not getting inolved in this too much, it's too much stressing waiting on Parma's situation, let alone the whole leagues problems.
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What about last year, with Bovo touching the ball in his area and De Santis not giving us a penalty? C'mon..
P.S. You know more than me that, being a Parma fan, you're the last one in the Universe who can say a single word about anybody. Your team should have been deleted from soccer.
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Antonio can u go into a bit more detail on the Nakata situation as ive never heard about this.
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What about last year, with Bovo touching the ball in his area and De Santis not giving us a penalty? C'mon..
P.S. You know more than me that, being a Parma fan, you're the last one in the Universe who can say a single word about anybody. Your team should have been deleted from soccer.
Maybe we should be extinct, I don't deny that, but there's a difference from being bankrupt, than to the allegations that are being made against your club.
I wondered why we got so fucked in the game vs Lecce last season, let's look at the facts:
- De Santis was the ref.
- 6 Parma players picked up bookings, Morfeo saw red in injury time for merely kicking the ball away.
the amount of players who were absent from our first-leg against Bologna, it's suprising that we only lost by a goal.
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What about last year, with Bovo touching the ball in his area and De Santis not giving us a penalty? C'mon..
P.S. You know more than me that, being a Parma fan, you're the last one in the Universe who can say a single word about anybody. Your team should have been deleted from soccer.
Maybe we should be extinct, I don't deny that, but there's a difference from being bankrupt, than to the allegations that are being made against your club.
I wondered why we got so fucked in the game vs Lecce last season, let's look at the facts:
- De Santis was the ref.
- 6 Parma players picked up bookings, Morfeo saw red in injury time for merely kicking the ball away.
the amount of players who were absent from our first-leg against Bologna, it's suprising that we only lost by a goal.
And the connection with Juventus? ::)
Last season we have a 0-1-2 record with De Santis as our ref. So? ::)
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Antonio can u go into a bit more detail on the Nakata situation as ive never heard about this.
Just a moment, let me try to write it in english.. It's kinda complicated.
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What about last year, with Bovo touching the ball in his area and De Santis not giving us a penalty? C'mon..
P.S. You know more than me that, being a Parma fan, you're the last one in the Universe who can say a single word about anybody. Your team should have been deleted from soccer.
Maybe we should be extinct, I don't deny that, but there's a difference from being bankrupt, than to the allegations that are being made against your club.
I wondered why we got so fucked in the game vs Lecce last season, let's look at the facts:
- De Santis was the ref.
- 6 Parma players picked up bookings, Morfeo saw red in injury time for merely kicking the ball away.
the amount of players who were absent from our first-leg against Bologna, it's suprising that we only lost by a goal.
And the connection with Juventus? ::)
Last season we have a 0-1-2 record with De Santis as our ref. So? ::)
well if Fiorentina have "booked" the game, then they needed Parma to slip up. A coincidence? I don't think so.
isn't this the same De Santis who has been dropped from the World Cup?
I would be seriously fucked if this proves to be correct, if we was playing in B now.
Like I said, i'm not gonna dig into the mess too deep, as I was on vacation when it blew up, so I haven't followed it as much as yourself. Got enough dealing with new ownership, to care about other teams problems.
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Antonio can u go into a bit more detail on the Nakata situation as ive never heard about this.
Ok. Premise: sorry for my english.
Premise n.2: what i'm saying is not speculation, but it's what a judge said investigating about it. Official.
In 2000 Nakata used drugs. Geronzi, the boss of Capitalia, one of the biggest bank in Italy, was the owner of both Perugia team and AS Roma team. Both the teams were so full of debts that they had to sold more than half of the team to this bank. To make it short, to fix the balances of both the teams, Geronzi chosed to acquire Nakata from Perugia to AS Roma for the record deal of 25m € (c'mon, Nakata was good, but 25m €? LMAO). Before the trade was made, Nakata had to make antidoping tests. But since he used drugs, and everybody in Perugia knew it, they changed the results of his test with the ones of another Perugia player, the young GK Pagotto (Italian U21, a promising player if you ask me). The next day Pagotto was condamned to a 2 years ban for having abused of drugs, while Nakata's test was ok. Nakata moved to Roma. There, he didnt play enought cause he was the 4th extracommunitarian player in the team, and they could have used only 3 in the pitch. But, 3 days before the crucial match between Juventus and Roma (something like a "final" match, between the two teams: who wins is the Serie A champion, you know what i mean?), somebody in the federation changed the rule, and Roma was allowed to play with 4 extracommunitarian. Nakata played. Nakata scored. AS Roma won the Serie A title.
Pagotto (the young GK) has always called himself innocent, a victim. He blamed AS Roma and Perugia. And now a judge has finally make justice, by proving both the teams fixed the test results to "save" Nakata. The guy who scored the Championship-goal.
And then Juventus is the one who cheated.......... ::)
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I suggest to ban Italian teams from the international competetions, like the CL and the UEFA-Cup next year.
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What about last year, with Bovo touching the ball in his area and De Santis not giving us a penalty? C'mon..
P.S. You know more than me that, being a Parma fan, you're the last one in the Universe who can say a single word about anybody. Your team should have been deleted from soccer.
Maybe we should be extinct, I don't deny that, but there's a difference from being bankrupt, than to the allegations that are being made against your club.
I wondered why we got so fucked in the game vs Lecce last season, let's look at the facts:
- De Santis was the ref.
- 6 Parma players picked up bookings, Morfeo saw red in injury time for merely kicking the ball away.
the amount of players who were absent from our first-leg against Bologna, it's suprising that we only lost by a goal.
And the connection with Juventus? ::)
Last season we have a 0-1-2 record with De Santis as our ref. So? ::)
well if Fiorentina have "booked" the game, then they needed Parma to slip up. A coincidence? I don't think so.
isn't this the same De Santis who has been dropped from the World Cup?
I would be seriously fucked if this proves to be correct, if we was playing in B now.
Like I said, i'm not gonna dig into the mess too deep, as I was on vacation when it blew up, so I haven't followed it as much as yourself. Got enough dealing with new ownership, to care about other teams problems.
Ok, but i don't get the connection with Juventus/Moggi. If De Santis made bad calls against your team deal with it. He made bad calls against us too, and we've a negative record with him. But somehow the media and a prosecutor is saying we bought him. LOL. TO LOOSE?
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I suggest to ban Italian teams from the international competetions, like the CL and the UEFA-Cup next year.
I don't know. Maybe. We are in a rebuilding phase where everything and everybody is about to be removed. I wouldn't mind something like that. But keep in mind there are no proofs of a single team fixing games. The only proof is the thing about Nakata.
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What about last year, with Bovo touching the ball in his area and De Santis not giving us a penalty? C'mon..
P.S. You know more than me that, being a Parma fan, you're the last one in the Universe who can say a single word about anybody. Your team should have been deleted from soccer.
Maybe we should be extinct, I don't deny that, but there's a difference from being bankrupt, than to the allegations that are being made against your club.
I wondered why we got so fucked in the game vs Lecce last season, let's look at the facts:
- De Santis was the ref.
- 6 Parma players picked up bookings, Morfeo saw red in injury time for merely kicking the ball away.
the amount of players who were absent from our first-leg against Bologna, it's suprising that we only lost by a goal.
And the connection with Juventus? ::)
Last season we have a 0-1-2 record with De Santis as our ref. So? ::)
well if Fiorentina have "booked" the game, then they needed Parma to slip up. A coincidence? I don't think so.
isn't this the same De Santis who has been dropped from the World Cup?
I would be seriously fucked if this proves to be correct, if we was playing in B now.
Like I said, i'm not gonna dig into the mess too deep, as I was on vacation when it blew up, so I haven't followed it as much as yourself. Got enough dealing with new ownership, to care about other teams problems.
Ok, but i don't get the connection with Juventus/Moggi.
The second part is in connection with Fiorentina in this scandal.
The only Juventus inclusion in my arguement was about Parma-Juventus this season... maybe I should of made that a bit clearer.
Should Fiorentina be found guilty of "buying" their ticket to this seasons championship, then without a shadow of a doubt, they should be booted from A.
You gotta feel for the young goalkeeper, I wonder what he does now for a living? It's terrible that he's career got destroyed for the sake of Nakata's, an over-rated player, who clubs sign for his fanbase value more than his actual ability.
BTW, try keep this thread updated, as I'm sure you'll have more details living in Italy and all.
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The second part is in connection with Fiorentina in this scandal.
The only Juventus inclusion in my arguement was about Parma-Juventus this season... maybe I should of made that a bit clearer.
Should Fiorentina be found guilty of "buying" their ticket to this seasons championship, then without a shadow of a doubt, they should be booted from A.
Man the investigations are about the 2004/05 season only, cause they covered only that season. I think you guys arrived 5th that year? It was the Gilardino year, if i'm correct.
You gotta feel for the young goalkeeper, I wonder what he does now for a living? It's terrible that he's career got destroyed for the sake of Nakata's, an over-rated player, who clubs sign for his fanbase value more than his actual ability.
After bein in the U21 and being a starter in Serie A with Perugia, he suffered a 2 years ban and then he played in Serie C and B, in minor teams. He ain't bad, it's just that managers were a bit skeptical about signing him cause they thought he used drugs, you know..
BTW, try keep this thread updated, as I'm sure you'll have more details living in Italy and all.
I'll try. My only problem is my bad english. If you can deal with it, i'll keep it updated.
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Man the investigations are about the 2004/05 season only, cause they covered only that season. I think you guys arrived 5th that year? It was the Gilardino year, if i'm correct.
That was the 03/04 season we arrived 5th, under Prandelli.
04/05 we survived in the relegation play-off vs B-ologna. That's why I brought up the Fiorentina scandal on the last day of the season, which pushed us into the play-off.
I'll try. My only problem is my bad english. If you can deal with it, i'll keep it updated.
Yeah try keep us updated if possible. It's a bitch translating every article through freetranslation.com you never get the full gist of everything.
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Like i told you all..
Some quick news from Italy..
- Inter and AC Milan are investigated for fixing balances of their clubs.
- Fiorentina is in big problems too, for having paid to win the last games of Serie A two years ago (he finished at 1 point from going to Serie B)
- Lazio is fucked up. Berlusconi and Galliani helped owner Lotito to illegally save the club. Nesta went to AC Milan that year.
- Roma is in troubles. They found that Roma owner changed Nakata's antidoping tests with Pagotto (2nd GK). Pagotto was not doped, while Nakata was. But they changed them. NAKATA USED/USES DRUGS, IT'S OFFICIAL. A tribunal just said it, and Roma is about to give Pagotto money back as to refund him.
They "used" Juventus' GM Moggi to make some noise, but those are the big fishes.
More coming soon.... right now it's a WAR here in Italy.
Hold on one sec, young man.
You're saying that Inter, AC Milan, Fiorentina, Lazio & Roma are all in big trouble for game fixing & tax fixing, but Juventus will be let off the hook because all the allegations against them is a big vendetta, solely created by the media to put Juve in a bad light, have them relegated, fined, jailed and locked away ??
I find that very hard to believe, with basically every media outlet (including non-Italian) naming Juventus as the main offender.
Why did Moggi resign if he was innocent, he been through allegations like these before.. ?
Why did the Juventus board resign ?
Why is the police doing razzias at Juventus players homes ??
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Hold on one sec, young man.
You're saying that Inter, AC Milan, Fiorentina, Lazio & Roma are all in big trouble for game fixing & tax fixing, but Juventus will be let off the hook because all the allegations against them is a big vendetta, solely created by the media to put Juve in a bad light, have them relegated, fined, jailed and locked away ??
I find that very hard to believe, with basically every media outlet (including non-Italian) naming Juventus as the main offender.
Why did Moggi resign if he was innocent, he been through allegations like these before.. ?
Why did the Juventus board resign ?
Why is the police doing razzias at Juventus players homes ??
It all started from the doping trial Juventus had. Remember? 7 years of trial, 1 condamn, then they finally they called us 101% innocent in the second phase of the trial. Well, they started to record phone convos too, to find proofs or something. They didn't. The tribunal of Turin called us innocent about those phone calls (they actually said the material they collected wasn't even worth a trial). But somehow another tribunal, the one of Rome and the one of Naples, were investigating us too. So they asked for the transcriptions of the phone calls, they (ILLEGALLY) gave them to the papers saying them to publish them (hella illegal, i repeat), and they are now saying we fixed games, etc.. That's why Juventus is the main target: because the fixed Moggi's phone. They have more than 100.000 Moggi's convos. Only Moggi. Only Juventus. Like usual. Like they did in the doping trial. Why? Because Juventus is the most prestigious team in Italy, and if they name it on the papers, they sell papers. Just read what the journalist said in the first post: they're selling more than 50.000 units a week. I've examinated all the convos and shit they've published till now, and i can tell you straight up that there are no proofs and shit of us fixing games. But there are some calls where Moggi talks about other teams, blaming them. For example there's a call where Moggi says something like "AC Milan fixed a game with Reggina. Damn we're lucky we don't have to do this shit to win......". AC Milan was never being investigated for this. They don't care about Milan. Or, to say it correct, Milan got too many power, Berlusconi & Galliani are unstoppable. There are phone calls where they talk about Facchetti (Inter DG), and how he made pressure on Pairetto to know the refs and shit. There are convos where Moggi says Berlusconi illegally saved Lazio because he wanted Nesta and shit. There are a lot of those convos. And nothing where Moggi talks to referees, or talks about fixing games and shit. NOTHING. But the trial is against Moggi. The tribunal investigate him.
I'm not saying the whole world is to blame but us, i'm just saying that this shit is the same shit that happened with the doping trial. 7 years of investigations ONLY AGAINST JUVENTUS. No other teams were touched. Even when they had players admitting they was doped, they didn't care. They wanted to punish JUVENTUS, cause in Italy if you punish Juventus you basically punish soccer. In their minds, if you "clean" Juventus, you "clean" the whole soccer. That's why i don't accept those investigations. I've read the convos. They have nothing in their hands. And the simple fact they let the media published everything (shit even private conversations with bitches. How legal is that? Moggi is married!) is to me a proof they have nothing in their hands and they just wanna make people believe Moggi and Juventus is to be condamed.
Just wait: you'll see Juventus won't go to Serie B. It's impossible. They can't. And if they will, cause the media is blaming us from a month, it will be the biggest scandal in sport history for sure. But i'm sure they won't. They don't wanna pay refunds for us going to Serie B without proofs.
PLUS: Capello just confirmed next year he'll stay in Turin. If he did, it's another proof he knows we'll play in Serie A.
Man it's just a media/tribunal conspiracy. Prosecutors can say whatever they want, but to "win" the trial they gotta prove it. They didn't in the doping trial, they won't now.
And Moggi resigned cause they're killing him now. He quitted with soccer. His son in investigated too, he gotta take care of this shit.
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P.S. Watch this video and fuck the rest: you can't buy this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWTmQEQk2SY&search=del%20piero
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P.S. Watch this video and fuck the rest: you can't buy this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWTmQEQk2SY&search=del%20piero
he never was quite the same... :'(
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P.S. Watch this video and fuck the rest: you can't buy this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWTmQEQk2SY&search=del%20piero
:o delicious
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Antonio I barely noticed that your a juve fan. ::)
everyone else is quilty
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Antonio can u go into a bit more detail on the Nakata situation as ive never heard about this.
Ok. Premise: sorry for my english.
Premise n.2: what i'm saying is not speculation, but it's what a judge said investigating about it. Official.
In 2000 Nakata used drugs. Geronzi, the boss of Capitalia, one of the biggest bank in Italy, was the owner of both Perugia team and AS Roma team. Both the teams were so full of debts that they had to sold more than half of the team to this bank. To make it short, to fix the balances of both the teams, Geronzi chosed to acquire Nakata from Perugia to AS Roma for the record deal of 25m € (c'mon, Nakata was good, but 25m €? LMAO). Before the trade was made, Nakata had to make antidoping tests. But since he used drugs, and everybody in Perugia knew it, they changed the results of his test with the ones of another Perugia player, the young GK Pagotto (Italian U21, a promising player if you ask me). The next day Pagotto was condamned to a 2 years ban for having abused of drugs, while Nakata's test was ok. Nakata moved to Roma. There, he didnt play enought cause he was the 4th extracommunitarian player in the team, and they could have used only 3 in the pitch. But, 3 days before the crucial match between Juventus and Roma (something like a "final" match, between the two teams: who wins is the Serie A champion, you know what i mean?), somebody in the federation changed the rule, and Roma was allowed to play with 4 extracommunitarian. Nakata played. Nakata scored. AS Roma won the Serie A title.
Pagotto (the young GK) has always called himself innocent, a victim. He blamed AS Roma and Perugia. And now a judge has finally make justice, by proving both the teams fixed the test results to "save" Nakata. The guy who scored the Championship-goal.
And then Juventus is the one who cheated.......... ::)
props for that, thanks. Do u know what drugs it was ?
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Coke.
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Antonio I barely noticed that your a juve fan. ::)
everyone else is quilty
Naw, i'm a lawyer. Everybody is innocent till proven guilty to me. From Kobe to Moggi to Galliani to the most notorious criminal. I just reported a part of truth the article reported didn't mention. Roma, Inter, Lazio and Milan are investigated cause they fixed their balances. For Roma and Lazio they'll start a real trial! The Nakata-Pagotto thing is already a sentence. And the other ones are things who went out from the same phone convos the media is using to blame Moggi and Juventus. Same shit, different subjects. But they didn't even mention it. No, they ain't guilty till somebody proves it. Fuck prosecutors, i'm a lawyer, i fight them everyday..
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I told you all!!
Today they've leaked new phone convos between AC Milan GM Adriano Galliani and the refs Paparesta & Collina. They're fucked up!
I remember there are no fucking convos between Moggi and a single ref.
Plus..
Former Inter GM Oriali and the player Alvaro Recoba was been sentenced to 6 months of jail cause they fixed Recoba's passport a couple of years ago (to make him communitarian). They've converted the jailtime to more than 20.000 € to pay.
I remember Juventus managers or players was never been sentenced to jail.
I'm a Juventus fan, right, but i was telling you guys nothing but the truth!
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Fuck, this is anything really surprising. Italian football is fucked...thats why i stopped caring for it 3 years ago.
However, Juventus is not innocent in this...all the big teams in Italy have fucked up.
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The system is/was wrong. It's all a business here, now. Teams have € 200+ mln's of debts each ones (but Juventus), if they don't win they loose more money, and to win they have to do everything possible and impossible. I think we're close to an explosion. Some day those teams with all those debts will be forced to pay. And i'll ;D.
Juventus probably isn't innocent, but they ain't the only ones. At least the have not a single € of debt, they're buildind their own stadium and shit.. very very professional compared to the other ones who're alive just because they're great teams, you know, like Real Madrid.....
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Antonio can you give me a rough translation on this please?
I assume its dialect between the ref and someone about the Parma-Lecce game:
Lo scandalo Lecce-Parma
Ecco le intercettazioni che confermano il piano anti-Parma.
PARMA-LECCE, CRONACA DI UNA FINE ANNUNCIATA
Calciopoli, dalla pubblicazione delle intercettazioni emerge sempre più come il Parma sia stato volutamente penalizzato nell'ultima partita della stagione 2004/05.
Il clima di quelle ore è riassunto nella ilare chiacchierata tra l'arbitro De Santis e Mazzini.
De Santis: «Pronto?».
Mazzini: «Sono Morfeo», e giù risate.
DS: «Io mi ero messo avanti col lavoro, capito?».
M: «Com'è andata?».
DS: «Qui è andata bene, ho fatto tre a tre».
M: «Sì, ma dico, c'era qualche stupido, no?» (il riferimento è all'indignazione dei giocatori del Parma per l'arbitraggio).
DS: «No, ha fatto lo stupido, alla fine, Vignaroli, che l'ho considerato espulso perché mi ha minacciato. Poi è venuto Cinquini (Ds del Parma, ndr) e mi ha detto: "Senta, però dice volevo dirle una cosa" dico dimmi. .. "Però una partita così, ci vuole n'attimino di buon senso perché io ora vado a fare lo spareggio e c'ho cinque squalificati". Io ho detto, scusa, ma che il problema è mio? Dice, "no perché la partita non è stata cattiva", dice, "pronti via, tre gialli..." dice. E poi hai continuato... "c'ho Gilardino squalificato, Morfeo squalificato, Vignaroli squalificato, Contini squalificato..". e dico scusa Cinquini, se mi vuoi insegna' a fa il dirigente tanto de cappello, se me voi insegna a fa l'arbitro te lo insegno io a fa l'arbitro. ..». Il racconto va avanti così. Sul filo del surreale, interrotto dalle risate, ora di Mazzini, ora dell'arbitro. Fino a quando...
De Santis: «E poi gli dico, perché scusa ma... chi è che si è salvato (ride). La Fiorentina? Ah, non lo sapevo».
Mazzini: «Perfetto». E giù altre risate.
Fonte La Gazzetta dello Sport
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I don't really know how to translate it: it's basically a phone convo between ref De Santis and the vice-boss of FIGC Mazzini. They basically make fun of Parma (De Santis was the ref of the Lecce-Parma game finished 3-3) and they are happy Fiorentina didn't go to Serie B thanks to that tie. There are other convos where Fiorentina fixes some matches and Mazzini and De Santis talks with Fiorentina owner about saving the team from B. It's somehow a proof that they chosed to save Fiorentina. And, since Parma was the one fighting against Fiorentina............
(and then they blame Juventus! There's nothing like that about us!)
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I don't really know how to translate it: it's basically a phone convo between ref De Santis and the vice-boss of FIGC Mazzini. They basically make fun of Parma (De Santis was the ref of the Lecce-Parma game finished 3-3) and they are happy Fiorentina didn't go to Serie B thanks to that tie. There are other convos where Fiorentina fixes some matches and Mazzini and De Santis talks with Fiorentina owner about saving the team from B. It's somehow a proof that they chosed to save Fiorentina. And, since Parma was the one fighting against Fiorentina............
(and then they blame Juventus! There's nothing like that about us!)
Props on the translation Antonio.
Fiorentina need to be heavily punished.
even as a Parma fan, I admit Juventus are getting dragged into this too much.
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Juventus = +50,000 units sold. It's all written in the first post!
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P.S. Watch this video and fuck the rest: you can't buy this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWTmQEQk2SY&search=del%20piero
damn...10 minutes of magic, backheels galore!!
its the players i feel worst for though all of this...its made to look like all those scudettos, all those goals were bought by moggi and sold by refrees, when its these players working their asses off to earn every bit of it
peace
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You know.. When the best team in Italy is under investigation everybody uses those investigations to revaluate his own work. For example Mancini is now saying his 3rd place looks like a 1st one, and it's full of people like him, who've lost on the pitch, but who wanna try to make it looks like they're "victims". No matter their own teams are under investigation too. Stupid.
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^^^ mancini actually said that??? :o :o :o
peace
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Yeah. Mancini, J.Zanetti, Figo... They even talked about 1998! And Berlusconi asked back 2 Scudetto's, the last 2. Even if the last one is not under investigations and the prosecutors said it's safe. That's why i'm disgusted. Y'all can't understand! It's full of loosers who're saying: "Seen? I wasn't a looser!". Even Dino Baggio (from back in the early 90's, lol). It's disgusting.
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thats just pathetic...and who who the fuck is figo...fuckin benchwarmer, real-reject
im disgusted >:(
peace
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Gazzetta dello Sport: Juventus and the Juventus board is preparing the club to play in Serie B, and president Boniperti is making preparations to sell all the major players except Del Piero, since Del Piero is the only player who have agreed to stay if relegated to Serie B.
Seems like the new Juve board is ready to pay the price for the previous boards actions.
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Thanx for adding fuel to my fire! That's 101% fake. Juventus Chief Executive Carlo Sant'Albano has said two days ago that they are planning the next season like if they gotta play in Serie A. That's why they've officially confirmed Fabio Capello, and that's why they've completed the deals of Cristiano Zanetti and Marco Marchionni (two World Cup leftovers, good players). Other than that, Boniperti is not our Club President (LMAO he was our President till 1990, i think. Then he left), and Del Piero is not the only player who have agreed to stay if relegated to Serie B anyway: there's an official statement by Italia National team captain Fabio Cannavaro, other than Zambrotta and Buffon. Just to talk about players from the Azzurri squad, who made official statements. Anyway, even if i disgust Gazzetta dello Sport, i gotta admit i've never read something that stupid in their newspaper: it gotta be a fake article, the one you've read.
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Seems like the new Juve board is ready to pay the price for the previous boards actions.
LOL!!!
Looks like Chelsea might get some Juve players.
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They're actually about to sign Sheva.. 8)
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They're actually about to sign Sheva.. 8)
You're just happy cause Milan is screwed now.
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Hell yeah. 8)
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They're actually about to sign Sheva.. 8)
You're just happy cause Milan is screwed now.
Rumours are that Milan found in van Nistelrooy a replacement for Shevchenko.
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They're actually about to sign Sheva.. 8)
You're just happy cause Milan is screwed now.
Rumours are that Milan found in van Nistelrooy a replacement for Shevchenko.
Better than nothing, but they aint on the same level
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Better than nothing, but they aint on the same level
No way. But yes, it's better than nothing.