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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Detox Iz Not Active on May 19, 2006, 10:37:55 AM
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This nigga had production from: Dr. Dre, Warren G, DJ Quik, Mel Man, Timbaland, Scott Stortch
Disgusting he had SO much production talent like I've never seen before and some how found a way to fuck it up
I remeber when I first heard the track "The Way I Am" I almost crashed my car because the track was so fuckin bumpin, and when he said this was Chronic 3, I thought it was a fuckin Detox track
Yet he still found a way to fuck it up
Scott Stortch: My FAV beat from him
Warren G: Westcoast banger
Quiksta: Dope beat
Mel Man: Kind a nice
Dre's beat: one of the weakest I've ever heard from Dre
TImbo beat: boring
overall album score: 7.0/10, maybe 7.5 on a good day
still, Knoc>>>Game, Bishop, Lil E
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Yea the album was pretty goood it was just missing a lil something.
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Good point man, I love this album n still dont understand how it flopped. Great production & guests, it's a mystery.... ???
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liked the album..the way i am was a perfect single,...but shit flip flopped, damn, waitin for dude to release new stuff, cuz i still think he got it
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I would've thought that "Bad Intentions" would have raised anticipation for his album.
But yeah, Knoc is one of the few artists who had Dre's blessing, not to mention a lot of other A-listers behind him, and yet still didn't get over. I can count the number of rappers produced by Dre who didn't go Plat on one hand, and he's one of them.
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the way i am is still in my rotation, but the initial tracks' attempt to portray political views, and his claim to have created the chronic three struck a chord with me. it amazed me that he never blew up, it seemed as though his album had all of the required elements.
truth hurts also had an all star line up, and she managed to do the same thing; it amazes me everytime i run through that album.
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If I remember he was on Elektra and they dropped the ball with hardly any promotion. The Way I Am got pushed back alot then before that he had that EP that was supposed to be a album that leaked and he had to redo his whole album. That EP had that banging cut with Missy Elliott that Dre did. He has had alot of bad breaks and never really had proper promotion for his albums.
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Since when does Good album = Good sales ?
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i wonder if he had a fallout with Dre why dre didnt even bother to appear in Way i Am video or mix the track he produced on the album (you think wit knoc, who seemed pretty tight with him at first would at least wanna mix the only song he cleared for the album)
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How could Knoc flop? By being wack. Dude was somewhat decent at best.
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I totally agree wit yall..that album is dope as fuck!!so many bangers, dope production, entertaining lyrics one of the best albums from the west in many years,,i dont get it,,probably had to do with promoting it n bulshit like that..
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Probably just label politics, but he was (maybe still is) also an alcoholic, so that could have something to do with it also.
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good cd. :-\
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I love Knoc's album, but I think that it was a little too dated. Think about it, it was released in 2004, right?
"I Like", "Watch Out" and "Have Fun" were recorded in the summer of 2001, basically for the "Knoc's Landing" album. "What We Do" is from 2002.
Don't get me wrong, I thought this album top to bottom was real solid. Production from Dre, Scott Storch, Timbaland, Quik, Warren G,
Mel-Man, Fredwreck, etc...one of the most STACKED line ups as far as production goes. Plus guest shots from Snoop, Xzibit, Nate Dogg,
Warren G, Hittman, etc....shit that's like a fucking dream team of collaborators...I wish this blew up, but I can't say I'm surprised it didn't. The freshest, tightest joint on the album ( the title track feat. Snoop ) was custom built to blow...prolly the best Storch beat I've ever heard, and Snoop's verse was real on point.
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How could Knoc flop? By being wack. Dude was somewhat decent at best.
Wasn't a particularly good lyricist, I'll give you that, but he did extremely catchy hooks, he had some of the industry's best producers behind him, and he'd already made a name for himself on a hit single with Dre ("Bad Intentions"). More often than not, those criteria add up to success.
I really just think it was because his album got shortened to EP length and because Elektra didn't promote him well. I don't think nobody can dispute that Knoc had everything he needed to blow up.
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I never liked him, he's got some choppy flows
I did like his verse on "Bang Bang" though....
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How do you now hes a alcoholic anyway? lol like i said before its a realy good album but missing something its like i bumped when i first got it but now i just dont anymore.The song peepin tom was awsome
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To me, Knoc was on the wrong label, he should have gone somewhere else than Elektra.. Maybe that was the only deal on the table.. His album was decent and def something to have in your collection.
BTW, what was the second single for it?? He deserved to have at least 2 or 3 singles....
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the album did have ZERO promo, but the album wasn't that hot
again, 7/10 at best
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his situation got fucked when his initial buzz died.
if knocs landin didnt get fucked with the bootlegging and knoc followed up on that wack joint with missy and dre with a heater, knoc wouldve went plat first time around
second time around, the initial buzz died, and while fans knew knoc and were feelin the music, that extra push to get his buzz back wasnt enough.
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Since when does Good album = Good sales ?
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they shoulda just dropped that knoc's landin in 02' no mater what...he was hot back then...even with all the bootlegs he woulda atleast gone gold..."the way i am" was a dissapointment to me....all them producers but they dropped weak shit on there...
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To me, Knoc was on the wrong label, he should have gone somewhere else than Elektra.. Maybe that was the only deal on the table.. His album was decent and def something to have in your collection.
BTW, what was the second single for it?? He deserved to have at least 2 or 3 singles....
Yep.......Elektra was a terrible label to be on but as you said maybe that was tha only deal. Tha album had some bangers on it no doubt but since it had HUGE promotion from Elektra it failed ::)
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i think the only people paying attention to knocturnal were people like us. to me i didnt realize had had a buzz at all, and i was living in LA at the time..
but yeah hes whatevers, someone i dont check for though. hasnt had really anything stand out in my books.
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Are you talking about "The Way I Am" album?
the version i listened to didnt have any dre production, i think the "i like" song was missing, but everything else i heard, it was an awesome album
but as someone said earlier, good album doesnt mean good sales
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Well....for one, the first album he had that was supposed to come out ended up being turned into a damn 6 song EP, and it came out too late. True it may seem as if he had major buzz from "Bad intentions", but since he didn't come out right around that same time, he ended up just bein "that one dude who said supa ugly!!" The advance of that album was dope as hell, but it was made strictly, and I mean STRICTLY for west coast heads. The sound was very good for that 2000-2002 west coast "last leg of G-Funk" style, but the real album stripped most of the dope songs from it.
When it came time for his next album, I guess they didn't push the fact that the album came out, and that album just wasn't that dope...it had it's gems, but overall it wasn't nearly as good as that first advance. And personally, he RELIED on his beats to make his songs tight....many of the songs were ONLY dope because of the beat and the guest appearances on there. Some of his hooks and brigdes were dope as hell, but he didn't come off all that dope on every song. He did bring it on "L.A. Nite and Day" and a few others, but his choppy and unorthodox flow became more annoying than anything else on certain songs, especially when everybody else was flowin on point and right in the pocket.
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1st of all let me say Knoc is one of my fav. on the West.
The album itself did have an amazing production and guest line up. However, all the beats he was given were probably leftovers (except for Storchs), thy were weak as fuck. And yes the the guest were some big names but only for the westcoast audience. Warren G, Slip Capone, Hittman, Quik arent really names that caught the attention of a non westcoast fan. Snoop, X and Nate of course are but that still doesnt mean it will sell crazy.
So no, Im not surpised at alll that it didnt sell shit.
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How do you now hes a alcoholic anyway?
i remember reading an interview with him XXL where he said he was.
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knoc's style is not for everyone...me for example
i hate his voice, i hate his flow, i feel like his rhymes dont even rhyme
same with e-40...for some reason i just dont like these 2
peace
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that EP he dropeed with that Missy track, and "straight westcoast" were fukkin bangers
real westcoast shit
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the single was actually doing well but the label really fucked up with him
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the single was actually doing well but the label really fucked up with him
single was getting spins, then the albums drops like 4 months later
if he would of released his album like an year after chronic 2001 he prob wouild of went at least plat
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LMAO :laugh:
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Yeah i like e-40 but mosf def dude has a different type of flow... im not down with his new song tho
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Can't blame Elektra. Busta and Missy always did well with them.
Everyones talking about his production line up... But really like that Detox is not coming dude said:
And yes the the guest were some big names but only for the westcoast audience. Warren G, Slip Capone, Hittman, Quik arent really names that caught the attention of a non westcoast fan. Snoop, X and Nate of course are but that still doesnt mean it will sell crazy.
So no, Im not surpised at alll that it didnt sell shit
It's the truth. Even Snoop, X and Nate aren't gonna really push an album, unless they're on the first single (at least Nate). So, yea, he had a lot of people, but the only draw was really Dre (and look at the wack ass shit he gave him).
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Can't blame Elektra. Busta and Missy always did well with them.
Everyones talking about his production line up... But really like that Detox is not coming dude said:
And yes the the guest were some big names but only for the westcoast audience. Warren G, Slip Capone, Hittman, Quik arent really names that caught the attention of a non westcoast fan. Snoop, X and Nate of course are but that still doesnt mean it will sell crazy.
So no, Im not surpised at alll that it didnt sell shit
It's the truth. Even Snoop, X and Nate aren't gonna really push an album, unless they're on the first single (at least Nate). So, yea, he had a lot of people, but the only draw was really Dre (and look at the wack ass shit he gave him).
Snoop was on his first single, and that Dre beat was a joke
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Peepin Tom is one of the best rap songs ive ever heard
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Snoop was on his first single, and that Dre beat was a joke
You trippin..."The Knoc" was a hot joint. Knoc should've had a big hit with that song.
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Snoop was on his first single, and that Dre beat was a joke
You trippin..."The Knoc" was a hot joint. Knoc should've had a big hit with that song.
the Dre track was his second single and hit had zero spins
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i definatly prefer the Knoc's Landing advance over the The Way I Am album...
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Wasn't the Dre beat on "The Way I Am" a leftover from "Knoc's Landing"?
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Wasn't the Dre beat on "The Way I Am" a leftover from "Knoc's Landing"?
Yes it was. I remeber a lot of "undreleased" tracks from Knocs Landing that had this woman saying "Elektra this and that..." all over the tracks.
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I thought "I Like" was a good song, had that 2001 sound to it. That dre beat was a classic compared to the shit he gave to 40 Glocc & Method Man.
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His album was ass. I don't care what any of ya say. I like Knoc too.
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i definatly prefer the Knoc's Landing advance over the The Way I Am album...
co-sign
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i give it a 7.0
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Snoop was on his first single, and that Dre beat was a joke
And that single was just plain horrible. lol.
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the bootlegg was 500X greater than the retail.
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Reason why he flopped? Because he sucks on the mic