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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: a616 on May 21, 2006, 09:30:43 PM
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I'm probably the biggest Dr. Dre fan alive. But lately I've not been feelin' Dre. I think hhis beats post-Chronic 2 are all monotonous, drab, and they all sound the same! Gone are the layered, textured, sonic landscapes that Dre laced us with from Straigh Outta, Efil4Zaggin, Chronic, MUrder Was tHE Case SOundtrack, and his old stuff. His beats for Eminem's Encore, 50's MAssacre & Get Rich, THe GAme's Documentary don;t hold a stick to his old classics (excpet maybe for a select few). With all the new jacks coming up with real good stuff, and on a consistent basis (quality and quantity) i.e. Kanye, Neptunes, etc, shouldn;t Dre be coming up with stuff that raises the game? Where's the next level that Xzibit said that only DRe can bring us to? To think these producers were probably influenced by him! These cats are serving us lefft and right with genre-defying, innovative beats. Which leads me to my another frsutration with DRe...his procrastination. In the N.W.A. DVD, a young Dre was bragging about the ease he can come up with a beat. Where is this now? All we have is his "perfectionism", taking years to come up with beats! It takes him 7 years to come up with albums. In less than , what, two years, Kanye already has 2 solid albums. "Helter Skelter", "Chairmen of the Boards", "Not These Niggas Again", "Break Up To MAke Up," and "Detox"...I think the only thing easy for Dre nowadays is coming up with album titles for projects that never get made. Of course, Dre will say he has nothing to prove. But to this rap lover, who developed a respect for Rap's musicianship from listening to Dre, he might not have anything to prove, but he has a lot to make up for. So, my request from the people here at dubcnn...PLEASE CONVINCE ME THAT I'M WRONG...CONVINCE ME THAT DRE IS STILL RELEVANT!
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fuck that!
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Yeah i dont know ill buy it but fuck hes taking so long i dont relay acre or am waiting for it.
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So, my request from the people here at dubcnn...PLEASE CONVINCE ME THAT I'M WRONG...CONVINCE ME THAT DRE IS STILL RELEVANT!
obviously no one can, just wait til he puts out some shit.... don't know what else to tell ya
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we NEED DETOX
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To be honest with you, I havent heard ONE of his beats that doesnt appeal to me. Dude is a genius. I too was kinda dissapointed when I heard some of his newer beats, but they grew on me. I guess it just has to grow on you too. I too am awaiting Detox like everybody else. He just changes his style a lot, but keeps the core. Unlike producers like Scott Storch. Dont get me wrong Storch is VERY talented, but he's just too repetitive, something that DRE is not. Bottom Line is, I wouldnt hang my head down on DRE, he'll come out with Fire like he did with 2001!
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He did switch up his style since he left the Row back in what 96. When he came out with been there done that it was the begining, no longer g funk now he using more pianos and orchestras and stuff amd his beats are more on the downside then bumpin usualy ( not all of course ).He still good tho.When i first heard 2001 even i was disapointed but Dre is Dre he's tops. I still wish they wuld of done NWA tho
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fuck that!
we NEED DETOX
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the only thing easy for Dre nowadays is coming up with album titles for projects that never get made.
LOL.
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Dre has to do this "lull" thing so people appreciate Detox more..
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no one should forget about Dre but all bitch made motherfuckers needs to stop depending on Dre to do shit for the WC rap scene.
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no one should forget about Dre but all bitch made motherfuckers needs to stop depending on Dre to do shit for the WC rap scene.
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yeah and besides that, i hope he dont put too many eastcoast ppl on it like 50, g-unit and all, with all respect they ain't westcoast
dre should put out a 100% westcoast album with only westcoast beats and only westcoast artists...
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yeah and besides that, i hope he dont put too many eastcoast ppl on it like 50, g-unit and all, with all respect they ain't westcoast
dre should put out a 100% westcoast album with only westcoast beats and only westcoast artists...
why? heīs already done that on 2 albums and itīs not like owes anyone(artists or fans)on the west coast anything. if he just wanna put east coast artists on it then thatīs on him. and iīd rather hear a banging album with east coast rappers on it then a wack album with west coast rappers on it(not sayin that WC rappers are wack).
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yeah and besides that, i hope he dont put too many eastcoast ppl on it like 50, g-unit and all, with all respect they ain't westcoast
dre should put out a 100% westcoast album with only westcoast beats and only westcoast artists...
why? heīs already done that on 2 albums and itīs not like owes anyone(artists or fans)on the west coast anything. if he just wanna put east coast artists on it then thatīs on him. and iīd rather hear a banging album with east coast rappers on it then a wack album with west coast rappers on it(not sayin that WC rappers are wack).
Im jus afraid it will become more of a eastcoast album....specially since 50, g-unit, eminem and others might be on it
not saying theyre bad, i have almost all shady/aftermath releases and still listen to them but dre should keep it west coast
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does it matter if itīs a "east coast" album if itīs banging? thatīs what itīs supposed to be about, not if itīs a west or east coast album. and like i said heīs already done 2 straight west coast albums that have put the west on the forefront and if the man wanna try something else then i could give 2 shits if he wanna work with rappers from all over.
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every time there is a dre hating thread... i say the same thing... he'll just prove the haters wrong time and time again... he got the same hate after the chronic, same shit happening now.
stop speculating like a girls blouse and have faith in the man..
"when they move their lips just a bunch of jibberish, motherfuckers act like they forgot about dre"
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After Dre releases Detox he should just retire.
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I think the whole coast needs to forget about Dre and focus on creating a whole new damn sound altogether.
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I think hhis beats post-Chronic 2 are all monotonous, drab, and they all sound the same! Gone are the layered, textured, sonic landscapes that Dre laced us with from Straigh Outta, Efil4Zaggin, Chronic, MUrder Was tHE Case SOundtrack, and his old stuff.
^^ which is exactly why Quik is my favourite producer, he is consistant and continues to amuse and surprise me. Like you said listening to a Dr. Dre beat nowadays just isnt a garantied :o-experience right now...I dont even care for the latest stuff he has done :-\
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DRE'S NOT GETTING ANY YOUNGER..WEST COAST NEED DRE'S PRODUCTION RIGHT NOW.. I GUESS HE AINT SCENE ANYBODY OTHER THAN GAME HE IS WILLING TON WORK WITH.. HES ALREADY CAME UP OFF THOSE EASTCOAST CATZ. NOW HE NEEDS TO COME BACK HOME.
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DRE'S NOT GETTING ANY YOUNGER..WEST COAST NEED DRE'S PRODUCTION RIGHT NOW.. I GUESS HE AINT SCENE ANYBODY OTHER THAN GAME HE IS WILLING TON WORK WITH.. HES ALREADY CAME UP OFF THOSE EASTCOAST CATZ. NOW HE NEEDS TO COME BACK HOME.
"Dre's not getting any younger" <---- exactly the reason why people need to stop looking to this guy to change the game or lead the west coast charge. This guy has been paid his dues for 20+ years. Dude's 40-something, he's earned the right to kick back. Someone new has to step up and take the reigns.
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I don't think this is a dre hate thread...I have to agree 100% with what the threadstarter is sayin...its really Busta's new album that's gettin me interested into Dre beats again...
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dude is right...i remember when i would have bought an album for one Dre beat....now i dont even get excited anymore when i hear his shit...
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Dre has to do this "lull" thing so people appreciate Detox more..
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To be honest with you, I havent heard ONE of his beats that doesnt appeal to me. Dude is a genius. I too was kinda dissapointed when I heard some of his newer beats, but they grew on me. I guess it just has to grow on you too. I too am awaiting Detox like everybody else. He just changes his style a lot, but keeps the core. Unlike producers like Scott Storch. Dont get me wrong Storch is VERY talented, but he's just too repetitive, something that DRE is not. Bottom Line is, I wouldnt hang my head down on DRE, he'll come out with Fire like he did with 2001!
the fuck, scott storch is not repetitive, listen to some of the R&B stuff he's done, like Beyonce - Me, Myself & I
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Nobody can deny Dre's talent. Dres hasnt been forgotten. Question is, should he? But I think everybody should jump off Dre's nuts an give all these other hungry ass producers n rap artists a chance. It's all on the radio...the commercials...the club Dj's...
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Nobody can deny Dre's talent. Dres hasnt been forgotten. Question is, should he? But I think everybody should jump off Dre's nuts an give all these other hungry ass producers n rap artists a chance. It's all on the radio...the commercials...the club Dj's...
I agree. We need some fresh blood around here.
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The funny thing is that Dre probably wants you to forget about him for a minute, so when his beats finally hit the street, they bang that much more, because they've been anticipated so much. There was a a little period of time from late 2004-early 2005, where Dre had his fingerprints on mad records. Em dropped an album, so did Game, so did 50...Dre was heavily involved in all those albums, so this is what he always does...he lays low for a little while, then drops something dope.
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Dre's beats have been average in the past couple years
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Dre, Dre, Dre
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Dre, Dre, Dre
aint that the damn truth
the nigga hasn't dropped an album in 7 years, hasn't even been consistent on his beats yet everyone hangs on his last word everyday
shiiiiiiiiit, I guilty of it too, Dre just has everyone on his fingertips
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I havent really cared for dre for the last 6 years...His production is average and most of the time has CO producers with him. Dont me get me wrong. He has came up with some really dope beats but he is unconsistent...
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Dre has to do this "lull" thing so people appreciate Detox more..
Yeah, I think there's some of that to it, plus, as we found out in the past, Dre has a habit of saving unfuckingbelievable beats for his album. There is absolutely no way he went in the studio and did all the mind-blowing beats on the 99 album just for that album. He sat on some of those for years I'll bet, they were too advanced.
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Just a little digression....I've always wondered what Dre's co-producers actual contribution to the beat? Because he's worked with several co-producers, from Yella, Mel-Man, Mike Elizondo, DJ Pooh, etc. And, just to clarify, I didn't satrt this thread to hate on Dre, like I said, I'm a big fan. Also, I never said we should look and depend on Dre to save the West, let alone Hiphop. Since his actively coming up with beats anyway, he should be coming up with dope ones, that;s my point. Now for the "lulls", if he does 'em purposely, then its his prerogative right? Still, what's up with that? Busta hooks up with him and takes 5 years to come up with an album. Rakim even left Aftermath. Just can't help but wonder....
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dude is right...i remember when i would have bought an album for one Dre beat....now i dont even get excited anymore when i hear his shit...
yep
there are only a few dre beats after 2001 that i really liked
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i disagree, dre has had some amazin tunes post 2001, like jus last night playin obie trices album....... every beat on there is dope, except look in my eys thats not too great. the beats off eminems album were amazin. games album dres beats were groundbreaking, some of dres best production woz on games album, if u disagree u r shud reconsider wat u think is good music and go get that paris hilton track in the outbound section, even the beats he gives 50 r great. jus cus dre doesnt produce as much anymore we shudnt count him out
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I think you should be the one to assess your idea of what great music is. Yes, Dre has still some good beats. But he is INCONSISTENT. He has more same-sounding beats than he has innovative ones. There was a time when you can line up all his beats and all of them would sound different, unique from each other and all of em would sound dope. Now, for every dope beat he makes, there are 3-4 boring repetitive beats. Back in the day, his beats were the standards over which other producers were being measured against; he was dictating and setting trends and standards. Nowadays, can you HONESTLY say that he is at par in terms of consistency and creativity with progressive HIPHOP producers like Kanye, Neptunes, Prince Paul, Automator, DJ Shadow, Danger Mouse...hell do you even know the last four cats I mentioned?!!!
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This is an interesting post. Please, please forget about Dre!! Please doubt his skills!! Please doubt whether he can change music AGAIN!! Please do whatever you can to put his back against the wall. That is when Dre comes out fighting and puts his best shit out. When you are sitting on half a billion dollars it's real easy to get complacent or not feel desperate. Dre is really driven to make Detox his biggest sonic apocolypse yet, but any other motivation you can provide will be helpful. A616 has a lot of great points. I love the dudes he mentioned. I am a huge fan of all those guys, especially DJ Shadow and Dange Mouse (Gnarls Barkley by the way is amazing). One thing though about all those guys you mentioned. With the exception of The Neptunes all those guys build a lot of their music around samples or on samples alone. Dre still uses a few samples but most of his stuff he tries to do from scratch. That can be a danting task. You mentioned a lot of his recent beats sometime ssounding alike. That will happen when you use keyboards to creat most of the music. And that's a reason Dre is starting to move back to less keyboards and more guitars, pianos, bass, live instruments and orchestral sounds as we move toward Detox. not only can that be extremely hard but it also requires a much larger budget. I respect Kanye but most of the credit for Late registration goes to Jon Brion. I know he did a majority of the work on that album, as kanye doesn't really do a good job building tracks from scratch or building tracks exclusively with live instruments. It should have been labeled as produced by Jon Brian, and co-produced by kanye West. Dre on the other hand has always used live instruments as his main weapon for building tracks. he doesn't really play them but he understands all them very well and how to get his musicians to use them to create the melodies, basslines, riffs, grooves, etc, that he is looking for. In the end though talk is cheap. The proof is in the pudding and you'll have to wait for Detox to drop to know that you will never ever be able to forget about Dr. Dre.
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o please you talking like dre is a god or sumthing, stop dat shit, dre is just a producer who made 2 good albums up to this point and who put some others on the game, dont gemme wrong, i copped all his shit and albums and all, but you know, its not like dre is the only one making hot music
you talk like you brush his shoes every morning jus to please him, every thing you post is saying dre is good, dre is the best dre is that dre is this, you make me sick, its like your dre's mouthpiece, like you dont have a own brain, stupid ass
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Hey mellowmanisback....thanks! You shed light on a lot of things there. Pointing out that he's relying more on instruments over samples does make a lot of sense. Thanks
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...Kanye aint got shit on Dre