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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Real American on May 23, 2006, 12:08:50 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060521/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_limiting_immigrants_1
Mexico Works to Bar Non-Natives From Jobs By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer
Sun May 21, 12:12 PM ET
MEXICO CITY - If Arnold Schwarzenegger had migrated to Mexico instead of the United States, he couldn't be a governor. If Argentina native Sergio Villanueva, firefighter hero of the Sept. 11 attacks, had moved to Tecate instead of New York, he wouldn't have been allowed on the force.
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Even as Mexico presses the United States to grant unrestricted citizenship to millions of undocumented Mexican migrants, its officials at times calling U.S. policies "xenophobic," Mexico places daunting limitations on anyone born outside its territory.
In the United States, only two posts — the presidency and vice presidency — are reserved for the native born.
In Mexico, non-natives are banned from those and thousands of other jobs, even if they are legal, naturalized citizens.
Foreign-born Mexicans can't hold seats in either house of the congress. They're also banned from state legislatures, the Supreme Court and all governorships. Many states ban foreign-born Mexicans from spots on town councils. And Mexico's Constitution reserves almost all federal posts, and any position in the military and merchant marine, for "native-born Mexicans."
Recently the Mexican government has gone even further. Since at least 2003, it has encouraged cities to ban non-natives from such local jobs as firefighters, police and judges.
Mexico's Interior Department — which recommended the bans as part of "model" city statutes it distributed to local officials — could cite no basis for extending the bans to local posts.
After being contacted by The Associated Press about the issue, officials changed the wording in two statutes to delete the "native-born" requirements, although they said the modifications had nothing to do with AP's inquiries.
"These statutes have been under review for some time, and they have, or are about to be, changed," said an Interior Department official, who was not authorized to be quoted by name.
But because the "model" statues are fill-in-the-blanks guides for framing local legislation, many cities across Mexico have already enacted such bans. They have done so even though foreigners constitute a tiny percentage of the population and pose little threat to Mexico's job market.
The foreign-born make up just 0.5 percent of Mexico's 105 million people, compared with about 13 percent in the United States, which has a total population of 299 million. Mexico grants citizenship to about 3,000 people a year, compared to the U.S. average of almost a half million.
"There is a need for a little more openness, both at the policy level and in business affairs," said David Kim, president of the Mexico-Korea Association, which represents the estimated 20,000 South Koreans in Mexico, many of them naturalized citizens.
"The immigration laws are very difficult ... and they put obstacles in the way that make it more difficult to compete," Kim said, although most foreigners don't come to Mexico seeking government posts.
J. Michael Waller, of the Center for Security Policy in Washington, was more blunt. "If American policy-makers are looking for legal models on which to base new laws restricting immigration and expelling foreign lawbreakers, they have a handy guide: the Mexican constitution," he said in a recent article on immigration.
Some Mexicans agree their country needs to change.
"This country needs to be more open," said Francisco Hidalgo, a 50-year-old video producer. "In part to modernize itself, and in part because of the contribution these (foreign-born) people could make."
Others express a more common view, a distrust of foreigners that academics say is rooted in Mexico's history of foreign invasions and the loss of territory in the 1847-48 Mexican-American War.
Speaking of the hundreds of thousands of Central Americans who enter Mexico each year, chauffeur Arnulfo Hernandez, 57, said: "The ones who want to reach the United States, we should send them up there. But the ones who want to stay here, it's usually for bad reasons, because they want to steal or do drugs."
Some say progress is being made. Mexico's president no longer is required to be at least a second-generation native-born. That law was changed in 1999 to clear the way for candidates who have one foreign-born parent, like President Vicente Fox, whose mother is from Spain.
But the pace of change is slow. The state of Baja California still requires candidates for the state legislature to prove both their parents were native born.
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ahh the hypocrisy.. love it..
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It's stupid what Fox is doing right now.
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It's stupid what Fox is doing right now.
It isn't Fox's fault. Mexicans are just very racist and xenophobic. They could learn alot about openness from Americans.
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I hope God helps you down the road, your mind is really fucked up. You know little about the difference between the Mexican government and it's people.
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I hope God helps you down the road, your mind is really fucked up. You know little about the difference between the Mexican government and it's people.
LOL!
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I hope God helps you down the road, your mind is really fucked up. You know little about the difference between the Mexican government and it's people.
How is my mind fucked up for condemning Mexican racism?
Obviously if Mexicans gave a fuck about their government's racist policies they would put pressure on it to chnge them. But they aren't because they probably agree with these policies. Mexicans need to learn to embrace diversity. And their governments needs to shut the fuck up and quit lecturing America.
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I hope God helps you down the road, your mind is really fucked up. You know little about the difference between the Mexican government and it's people.
How is my mind fucked up for condemning Mexican racism?
Obviously if Mexicans gave a fuck about their government's racist policies they would put pressure on it to chnge them. But they aren't because they probably agree with these policies. Mexicans need to learn to embrace diversity. And their governments needs to shut the fuck up and quit lecturing America.
Most people aren't allowed to even voice their opinion. You pretty much gotta be wealthy to be able to actually do something about it. They also force people to vote for a candidate, if they don't do it they can lose their job. If we want to get into detail about President Fox, his ass is gone in 3 months so anything he does is pretty much pointless and stupid. Mexico's stance on immigration has nothing to do with embracing diversity, if you complain about people calling the U.S's immigration policies racist then don't just turn your back and do the same. And yes I know that the US's immigration policies are more lenient than Mexico's
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It's stupid what Fox is doing right now.
It isn't Fox's fault. Mexicans are just very racist and xenophobic. They could learn alot about openness from Americans.
If only Mexicans were as welcoming and open-minded as you.
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It's stupid what Fox is doing right now.
It isn't Fox's fault. Mexicans are just very racist and xenophobic. They could learn alot about openness from Americans.
Fox is our George Bush. He was voted in because for years it was a one party Democracy, which is basically the same as Cuba and Iraq, only each dictator has a term limit before they turn it over to their hand picked person. Fox was suppose to be the one who changes things, instead he is even harder on the Natives, and he is fucked up on immigration. We went from Ronald Reagan to George Bush.
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It's stupid what Fox is doing right now.
It isn't Fox's fault. Mexicans are just very racist and xenophobic. They could learn alot about openness from Americans.
I think it's time for a vacation. You're trying to hard, holmes.
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He's just pushing buttons, and he admitted it already.. leave the kid alone.
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He's just pushing buttons, and he admitted it already.. leave the kid alone.
Pushing buttons? We have a country right next door to the US that has laws prohibiting people not born in that country from holding prominent jobs. This is the same country now lecturing the US on immigration and calling our policies racist. Should I just ignore this blatant hypocricy and not post the article. Would that make you guys feel better?
I am not "trying too hard", Sikotic. Everything I say is true. Mexico is indeed a very close minded nation and they really could learn about tolerance from the U.S. You cannot dispute that.
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I am not "trying too hard", Sikotic. Everything I say is true. Mexico is indeed a very close minded nation and they really could learn about tolerance from the U.S. You cannot dispute that.
Well, are you talking about the Mexican government or Mexicans. Earlier, you said Mexicans are racist and intolerant. That's a broad statement since there are Mexicans living outside of Mexico....not Ohio of course.
I hope you understand the difference, Javii broke it down perfectly.
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I hope God helps you down the road, your mind is really fucked up. You know little about the difference between the Mexican government and it's people.
How is my mind fucked up for condemning Mexican racism?
Obviously if Mexicans gave a fuck about their government's racist policies they would put pressure on it to chnge them. But they aren't because they probably agree with these policies. Mexicans need to learn to embrace diversity. And their governments needs to shut the fuck up and quit lecturing America.
so since the american population doesnt put pressure on its govt for fuckin the world, are they responsible as well?
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Should I just ignore this blatant hypocricy and not post the article. Would that make you guys feel better?
Yes it would, and we appreciate your concern.
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so since the american population doesnt put pressure on its govt for fuckin the world, are they responsible as well?
Responsible for what?
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I understand why Mexico is doing what they are doing. M Dogg was right when he said that Fox was Mexico's George Bush. But it makes Mexico look like hypocrites when they preach how the USA should be lean on illegal immigrates when they are doing some foul shit like this.
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so since the american population doesnt put pressure on its govt for fuckin the world, are they responsible as well?
Responsible for what?
Can't you read, you fucking Polack?
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You know little about the difference between the Mexican government and it's people.
pretty much how the world views America
what's up Tech?
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Vincente Fox isn't the one who came up with the idea to bar people not born in Mexico from holding certain jobs. It has been like that forever in Mexico. The point is that xenophobia is a huge part of Mexican culture. Otherwise the people of the country would demand that the government change those racist laws. But the truth is the people could give a fuck.
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Vincente Fox isn't the one who came up with the idea to bar people not born in Mexico from holding certain jobs. It has been like that forever in Mexico. The point is that xenophobia is a huge part of Mexican culture. Otherwise the people of the country would demand that the government change those racist laws. But the truth is the people could give a fuck.
no, the people have no say. The PRE has ruled Mexico for decades, they basically eat the Mexican Revolution, and became a one party govenment. In the 60's, when people protested, they slaughter thousands. The Native people who pratice their beliefs and are against the PRE are forces into poverity, and instead of fighting against the government, they fight for food. Vicente Fox was suppose to be the end of the PRE's 80 years of oppression. Instead, he turned out to be the George Bush of the country, being more conservative, aiding the rich, and allowing the PRE to fuck up the poor.
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Vincente Fox isn't the one who came up with the idea to bar people not born in Mexico from holding certain jobs. It has been like that forever in Mexico. The point is that xenophobia is a huge part of Mexican culture. Otherwise the people of the country would demand that the government change those racist laws. But the truth is the people could give a fuck.
Hey Japan is the same way.....oh, I forgot, their the new white people.
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Vincente Fox isn't the one who came up with the idea to bar people not born in Mexico from holding certain jobs. It has been like that forever in Mexico. The point is that xenophobia is a huge part of Mexican culture. Otherwise the people of the country would demand that the government change those racist laws. But the truth is the people could give a fuck.
Hey Japan is the same way.....oh, I forgot, their the new white people.
many people are like that. Difference, they are native to their county. Mexico, huge majority Natives, dark ass indians. Their rulers though are Europeans, light ass Spanish people. Japan, they rule themselves, and are natvie to their land. The U.S., a bunch of everyone, very few dark ass Natives. We can never talk on immigration, unless the Native grow in huge numbers, take over, and say that they are against immigration.
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Hey Japan is the same way.....oh, I forgot, their the new white people.
Most countries are like that, which was my whole point of this thread. Most countries do not allow tens of millions of immigrants into their countries, let alone give them social services, teach them in their native languages, allow them to hold prominent government positions, etc. America does all those things and we still get attacked by idiots like Vincente Fox and lectured on how we are racist.
That was my whole point.
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we are racist.
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Hey Japan is the same way.....oh, I forgot, their the new white people.
Most countries are like that, which was my whole point of this thread. Most countries do not allow tens of millions of immigrants into their countries, let alone give them social services, teach them in their native languages, allow them to hold prominent government positions, etc. America does all those things and we still get attacked by idiots like Vincente Fox and lectured on how we are racist.
That was my whole point.
CWalker is a BITCH!!!!