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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Trauma-san on May 25, 2006, 09:58:10 PM
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First, the Wii remote will apparently also double as a microphone (it has a built in speaker), and will probably also act as a voice over IP device. Hella cool.
Second, Nintendo officially announced today that the price of the Wii will not exceed 250 bucks in America. Doubly cool.
Third, Nintendo's profits for last year were 873 Million dollars. They made almost a billion dollars profit, while developing the Wii and the DS Lite, etc.
In comparison, Sony's gaming division earned 75 million dollars profit in the past year.
Last year, Nintendo made 11 times as much profit as Sony did... and everybody's looking for Nintendo to go out of business. Last year, the Sony PS2 was immensely more popular than the Nintendo Gamecube, and Nintendo made 11 times more money than Sony. Last year, both Nintendo and Sony released portable game systems, and Nintendo made 11 times as much money as Sony. Last year, Nintendo and Sony were both r&d'ing their new consoles, and Nintendo made 11 times as much money as Sony. I won't even mention Microsoft because they haven't turned a profit to date on the Xbox or the 360.
Now; doesn't this explain and show everybody a little bit why Sony's scrambling to copy the Wii remote? ... because Nintendo is the big bad booty daddy in the video game industry, to this day. Sony only wishes it had the success that Nintendo still enjoys. If Nintendo can make this kind of a profit with a lame duck gamecube, imagine the profits that will be rolling in this fall when they launch the Wii and it shits allover the PS3's sales.
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^^where did u get that Sony wanted to copy the Wii Controller? I have not heard that.
Anyways, The Wii is what im anticipating, never have i been more excited for a system, i dont even own a playstation 2 or xbox or gamecube, But i really want this!!!
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Nice,and the DSlite comes out in North America June 11th,cant wait 8)
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I'm not too sure whether I'm gonna buy tha Wii I wasn't exactly thrilled about all those Mario related gamez that came out on tha Cube and I'm expectin' an invasion of those typez of gamez on tha Wii, I only bought tha Cube for those Star Wars gamez and RE 4 ofcourse...
Tha one thing that bothered me tha most concernin' tha Cube was that it did NOT have digital surround sound l was sooo dissapointed with that, I'm assumin' tha Wii iz capable of this though...
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I don't like the games that tend to be made for Nintendo systems. The majority of them are childish, with comic graphics - which was great as a kid, but being in my twenties I kinda don't wanna play jump n run with an italian plumber to collect stars, or rescue the princess with an elf who wears tights. The controller and the system features seem cool, but it's all worth nothing if the games don't appeal. I'd rather play awesome games on a regular system, than Super Mario Part 234 on a revolutionary system.
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Well, a couple things:
1. They're making a fortune (11 times what Sony made last year) off those type of games, so I wouldn't expect them to change a proven, working business plan much.
2. Not all of the games are that way, there are several 'mature' games for the Gamecube and it seems there will be even more for the Wii.
3. Nintendo at heart has always had a simple family friendly philosophy. They didn't even allow blood in their games when Mortal Kombat came out, for instance. So the Wii is never going to be 'the place' to get all of the violent stuff, although they've mellowed a bit and let some of that on the system.
4. Too many times violence is a gimmick. GTA in all of it's incarnations is a shitty game, wrapped around a violent gimmick. Nintendo obviously doesn't give a fuck about simple gimmicks like slightly better texturing in a game, or slightly more violent gameplay, etc. they honestly are trying to make games that are more enjoyable simply because they're better games. I can't hate them for consistantly trying to be the most creative original system out. It looks like this time, they're going to get it right.
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^^where did u get that Sony wanted to copy the Wii Controller? I have not heard that.
At E3 sony revealed that they added a motion sensor or something into the ps3 controller.
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^^where did u get that Sony wanted to copy the Wii Controller? I have not heard that.
At E3 sony revealed that they added a motion sensor or something into the ps3 controller.
yup and they took out the rumble so the ps3 controller wont even rumble anymore :-\
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^^where did u get that Sony wanted to copy the Wii Controller? I have not heard that.
At E3 sony revealed that they added a motion sensor or something into the ps3 controller.
yup and they took out the rumble so the ps3 controller wont even rumble anymore :-\
Ha speaking of rumble remember the rumble pack for the 64? You had to buy it seperately and put batteries in it. Classic I miss my 64.
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^^where did u get that Sony wanted to copy the Wii Controller? I have not heard that.
At E3 sony revealed that they added a motion sensor or something into the ps3 controller.
yup and they took out the rumble so the ps3 controller wont even rumble anymore :-\
Ha speaking of rumble remember the rumble pack for the 64? You had to buy it seperately and put batteries in it. Classic I miss my 64.
i styll play my 64 :D
i think i shud upgrade to sumthin more new now though, i got that thing back in grade 7, which was like 8 years ago lol
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^^where did u get that Sony wanted to copy the Wii Controller? I have not heard that.
At E3 sony revealed that they added a motion sensor or something into the ps3 controller.
yup and they took out the rumble so the ps3 controller wont even rumble anymore :-\
Ha speaking of rumble remember the rumble pack for the 64? You had to buy it seperately and put batteries in it. Classic I miss my 64.
i styll play my 64 :D
i think i shud upgrade to sumthin more new now though, i got that thing back in grade 7, which was like 8 years ago lol
Yea I got mines around 7th grade too. The first games I got were 007 which is one of the greatest games ever and Kobe's Courtside basketball game. I sold my 64 a long time ago...wish I hadn't though.
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Yea; I remember that rumble. I also remember Sony stealing it from Nintendo. Hey, remember the analog stick on the 64 that Sony also stole?
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I think the rumble feature is overrated anyway... To me it was just too weak and it was rather a gimmick than a real addition to the gaming experience... Itīs nice when itīs supposed to give hints or alert the player of something... like in Windwaker when Tetra wanted to talk to you... the A button was glowing and the controller was shaking... that was nice... but when itīs supposed to resemble a rocky road or something it just fails miserably I think...
The best rumble/force feedback feature can only be found in the arcades anyway...
edit: I still got my Gameboy, SNES and N64.. but I sold my NES just to afford the SNES back in the day... I really regret that :(
I even ahd that pimp ass advantage joystick.. that was the shit...
(http://nes.kreese.com/grafik/tillbehor/nesadvantage.jpg)
:'(
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I cant imagine playing a first person shooter like Call of Duty 2 on a console without a rumble,i think it adds to the gaming experience. Even in Fight Night Round 3 when ur boxer is tired the rumble will beat like a heart beat to let u know ur boxer is tired, or in Madden getting sacked or sacking someone,or nba 2k6 when theres a hard foul,its little things like this, that we may take forgranted but really do add to the overall gaming experience.
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Yea; I remember that rumble. I also remember Sony stealing it from Nintendo. Hey, remember the analog stick on the 64 that Sony also stole?
lol heres a funny pic :D
(http://i4.tinypic.com/10rqwrd.jpg)
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how about u give me some news on the next zelda
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how about u give me some news on the next zelda
gonna be avalible at launch :)
heres a link to a new zelda video where it shows how the wii controller will play while fishing in the game,pretty cool
http://media.revolution.ign.com/media/748/748589/vids_1.html
theres other vids on the page,the fishing one is the one from may 26th
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heres a link to a new zelda video where it shows how the wii controller will play while fishing in the game,pretty cool
http://media.revolution.ign.com/media/748/748589/vids_1.html
theres other vids on the page,the fishing one is the one from may 26th
That video is dope... First I really like the graphics.. donīt know why people were so skeptical about it in the first place... it looks really great...
Plus I can already see myself with a sore wrist from that fishing sequences.. lol
Those bastards at Nintendo gonna make be buy TP twice it seems.. :)
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Nah, don't do it that way! It isn't coming out for gamecube until the Wii drops anyways (they all drop the same day), so just save the 60 bucks you'd spend on the GC version, put another 150 or 200 with it, and buy you a brand new Wii.
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Nah, don't do it that way! It isn't coming out for gamecube until the Wii drops anyways (they all drop the same day), so just save the 60 bucks you'd spend on the GC version, put another 150 or 200 with it, and buy you a brand new Wii.
Thatīs probably the way Iīm gonna do it... I had the feeling that theyīre gonna release it on the same day (didnīt they announce that on E3?) but then I though it would be much smarter (and I assumed theyīd do it that way) to release the Gc version like 2 months in advance and then cash in on the Wii version again... While I donīt like tactics like that and never support such actions I think I would have fallen for it this time cause Zelda is always a must buy and I donīt think I could have waited for the Wii version...
Shit Wii has already such a killer line up... Zelda, Metroid, Red Steel...
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According to htis site; http://money.canoe.ca/News/Other/2006/05/25/1597191-ap.html Sony sold 16 million units of PS2 in 2005 and 14 million units of the PSP. Nintendo sold a lottle over 3 million Game Cubes and 16 million DSs.
Sony may not make the profits but if Sony goes under in sales then the industry may implode and crumble back to the b level entertainment it once was. Keep in mind I am no fan of Sony but the combined sales of both Playstations is over 200 million units sold. The combined sales of every other major home console since the the Atari 2600 is just over 250 million. Software companies everywhere rely on Sony these days. The industry took a huge leap when the PSX became huge and a lot of jobs were created because of it. The XBox 360 and the Wii will each have to sell atleast 50 million units to fill the void that Sony would leave behind if the PS3 crumbles.
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Please. Just quit already, you're embarassing yourself. So in other words, Sony's on a charity mission... they're not really out for profit, they're providing jobs. THEY DONT MAKE MONEY. Stop changing your story, you said the folks at Nintendo would lose their jobs, and you didn't know what the fuck you're talking about. I've consistantly shown that Nintendo makes more money than Sony, and you don't want to believe it. One more time:
NINTENDO MADE 11 TIMES THE MONEY SONY's GAMING DIVISION DID LAST YEAR!
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how about u give me some news on the next zelda
gonna be avalible at launch :)
heres a link to a new zelda video where it shows how the wii controller will play while fishing in the game,pretty cool
http://media.revolution.ign.com/media/748/748589/vids_1.html
theres other vids on the page,the fishing one is the one from may 26th
is the new one on wii then?
coz i was keeping my gamecube just for zelda :/
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the new zelda comes out for both the gamecube and wii
u should keep ur cube anyway, cuz a NEW PAPER MARIO is coming out for it! 8)
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zelda is the only console game i'll play
ill have to buy a wii for it :{
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how about u give me some news on the next zelda
gonna be avalible at launch :)
heres a link to a new zelda video where it shows how the wii controller will play while fishing in the game,pretty cool
http://media.revolution.ign.com/media/748/748589/vids_1.html
theres other vids on the page,the fishing one is the one from may 26th
is the new one on wii then?
coz i was keeping my gamecube just for zelda :/
yea lol look at the controller,u cant do any of that innovative stuff on any other system but the Wii 8)
dont worry though the wii is gonna be wayy cheaper then the ps3 and 360
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Please. Just quit already, you're embarassing yourself. So in other words, Sony's on a charity mission... they're not really out for profit, they're providing jobs. THEY DONT MAKE MONEY. Stop changing your story, you said the folks at Nintendo would lose their jobs, and you didn't know what the fuck you're talking about. I've consistantly shown that Nintendo makes more money than Sony, and you don't want to believe it. One more time:
NINTENDO MADE 11 TIMES THE MONEY SONY's GAMING DIVISION DID LAST YEAR!
You aren't very good at extracting information are you? You just have a bias view you just seem to stick to and fill in blanks that aren't there to suit your own juvenile mentality. I never said Sony is in it for charity or even if they are trying to build the industry. I'm sure they are only in it for their own personal gain and as far as that goes maybe Nintendo is doing a better job for themselves but whether they want to or not Sony is doing a way better job for the industry. This doesn't make the people at Sony a bunch of saints it just means their success is important to almost everyone in the industry. There are tens of millions of consumers that have never bought a home console that didn't say Playstation on it.
As for the Wii. I'm unsure about it at this moment. At first I thought it was stupid and wouldn't work at all, but then I saw it and I thought it really could catch on with the kids depending on how simple it is. I still don't see the adults jumping up and down for it and that is the main demographic. This could be the stupidest or the smartest move of Nintendo's career. At the same time marketing the PS3 as a Blu Ray player could be the stupidest or smartest move of SCEA's career. I personslly don't the the HD market is big enough for the Blu Ray to make that much of an impact. As far as I know Blu Ray doesn't mean all that much with out an HDTV to play it on and they aren't exactly the TV standard yet. Of course, of the 60 to 70 million people that bought the PS2 all it would take it at least 10 to 20 million to not care about the high price and buy it in the beginning to make the PS3 a huge initial success. If you're a single make in your late 20s to early 30s and you make upwards of $40,000 to $50,000 a year shelling out $600 is nothing. I really have no solid prediction on what will happen in this round. If Sony just released a simple console with higher specs and new games for the same ball park price as the other systems then I'd say PS3 by a mile, but if the price and lack of HDTVs make the PS3 fail and Nintendo mekes the Wii Americas's next Tickle Me Elmo then Nintendo could do very well. It cannot, and repeat CANNOT parallel the sales of the PSX or PS2 but it could come out on top of a these three if PS3 bombs, but the indutrsy as a whole will be smaller unless XBox sells like hotcakes to the adults that don't want the PS3 if they don't want it).
As for the job cuts you keep bringing up. Here is the original post I made on the subject;
I feel bad for everyone at Nintendo that knew this was a bad idea and are now going to lose their jobs once this thing tanks. Why do they always focus on this bullshit by trying to make new things. NES took what Atari was and beat it because the games were better. SNES kept the same formula with a graphics improvement. Then the norm changed from cartride to CD and Nintendo played the old fogie and refused to change. Since then it's almso as if they are trying to overcompensate from not moving forward to moving too far ahead. No one is going to want to play a system like this and no developers are going to want to mae games forthis that they can't make for PS3. Nintendo's first part games should be nice but the system as a whole is going to fail.
I saw the video of the conference and the moron actually used the logic that non gamers are more used to TV remotes rather than video game controllers and they will be drawn to this system because the psychological barrier will be broken. What a bunch of idiots. My dad hates video games and can't use the controller but he loves TV and uses the remote all the time. There is no way he's going to get into this system because of that. Even if you can turn it sideways for old games it sill only has 2 buttons ont he front for your right hand.
It's real easy Nintendo; a D-pad and analog stick next to the D pad, 6 buttons on the front and two on the shoulders and a bunch of decent games. That's how you sell video game systems.
The guys at Microsoft are having a field day right now, and the guys at Sony are so far ahead they don't care one way or the other.
Now while this was before I saw the Wii in action, I still can't take this back yet until I see how the system plays. So far the reviewers say it's simple to pick up but the reviewers are pro gamers. I want to see how easy it is for children to pick it up and whether they want it to begin with. One thing you can't predict with kids is what is going to bomb and what is going to blow up. I'll gladly say I was wrong to say this if this turns out to be wrong. Although I couldn't for the life of me ever see you admitting defeat if the Wii bombs. Shit you still imply that the Gamecube was more successful than the PS2.
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The wii will be very easy to pick up and play,Nintendo is even targeting people who arent into video games, which is why they made the controller look like a tv remote, their main focus is to draw people who arent into games and make them become gamers while still making games for hardcore or advit gamers,hence the name Wii (we) because its for everyone to play
and theres no way anyone can claim that the gamecube was more successful then the ps2 lol..
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Well, I didn't read any of what the idiot above you posted, but tell him this for me:
NINTENDO MADE 11 TIMES AS MUCH MONEY AS SONY LAST YEAR.
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Actually Sony made more profit last year. I haven't found any actual figures on what Sony games made in profit other than what you posted. Could I see a source please? For all I know, Sony music, movies and electronics are losing money.
The wii will be very easy to pick up and play,Nintendo is even targeting people who arent into video games, which is why they made the controller look like a tv remote, their main focus is to draw people who arent into games and make them become gamers while still making games for hardcore or advit gamers,hence the name Wii (we) because its for everyone to play
and theres no way anyone can claim that the gamecube was more successful then the ps2 lol..
Trauma claims it and he has no problem doing so.
As for the Wii, it may be easy to pick up or not but that doesn't mean it'll be successful across the board. The only area I can see this machine excelling in is with the kids and that isn't a lock. Adults who have never played video games because they think they are stupid simply will not pick this up just because it looks like a TV remote. People don't watch TV because of the remote, they watch it because they want to see the shows aimed at them, and they will not start playing games aimed at their children just because of the controller. Time will tell on how well this machine will do.
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Trauma's getting owned in this...All he can do is claim ridiculous shit without backing it up with sources. This Shallow guy is shitting all over everything he says, and he refuses to respond...It's pretty clear who won.
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Trauma's getting owned in this...All he can do is claim ridiculous shit without backing it up with sources. This Shallow guy is shitting all over everything he says, and he refuses to respond...It's pretty clear who won.
Well, I'm not trying to "win". I'm just rying to get a few points across to the readers that Trauma always seems to avoid, and I'm just trying to get some solid numbers from him and where they came from.
If anyone knows any sources that have the info for the profit SCEA made last year I'd like to see it. Also showing any money Nintendo made from non-gme revenue, like Pokemon cards or the cartoon, would be appreciated.
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I dun see Nintendo making any major waves w/ the Wii..........they might as well engrave their shit on the wooden spoon.
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I dun see Nintendo making any major waves w/ the Wii..........they might as well engrave their shit on the wooden spoon.
I totally disagree,i think the Wii is looking to have a great future, espicially with its friendly price point,i mean if u can get a Wii and 360 for the price of a ps3,then why would people still choose a ps3,even when the 360 had the strongest software lineup at this past e3. I can see people who already have a 360 getting a Wii when it comes out (i know i will) just because its doing stuff that weve never seen in gaming,and it can provide an experience that the 360 and ps3 cant, i cant wait till it comes out personally..
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Trauma's getting owned in this...All he can do is claim ridiculous shit without backing it up with sources. This Shallow guy is shitting all over everything he says, and he refuses to respond...It's pretty clear who won.
Suck a cock.
Here's Nintendo's info from a few days ago:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6151858.html?q=nintendo
Note net profit in the past year of 873 MILLION DOLLARS
Here's Sony's info from a month ago.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6148465.html?q=sony
Note sony's gaming division made 75 Million dollars in the past year.
If you add Sony Pictures, Sony Home Entertainment, Sony's television and home electronics division, etc. blah blah blah etc, they made a billion dollars last year.
Apples to oranges, Nintendo's gaming division is making 11 times as much money as Sony's gaming division.
You can spin that however you want, you can say whatever you want, but as I said, one more time
NINTENDO MADE 11 TIMES AS MUCH MONEY AS SONY LAST YEAR
BTW, Bitch about the Wii some more, need I post the video, AGAIN, of the E3 doors opening and hundreds of people running PAST the playable PS3's to play the Nintendo Wii? It was fucking embarassing.
NIK, Apologize for being a bitch. Apologize for assuming I'm wrong when actually I'm right and YOU'RE wrong.
Shallow; same thing. Apologize for thinking my numbers were wrong, and tell me that I know more than you. Do this publicly, as you questioned me publicly.
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Shallow; same thing. Apologize for thinking my numbers were wrong, and tell me that I know more than you. Do this publicly, as you questioned me publicly.
Show me where I said your numbers were wrong and I'll gladly apologize. I just asked for sources and claimed I couldn't find any, which I couldn't. You showed me the sources, which I asked for, and I thank you for showing me.
Here's what we know. Last year Sony generated double the revenue in the game market that Nintendo did, but Sony claims they spent most of that revenue on research and development for the PS3, now we will see if that was smart or stupid in the next two years. If the R&D leads to hundreds of millions in profit then it was smart, if it doesn't then it was stupid. Let me say once again I am not a Sony fan and I have never purchased a Sony Game product in my life. However, going back to my original point; Sony was still at least around 2 times better for the industry than Nintendo was (I say at least because I don't know how much of the 4.5 billion was brought in by non-video game properties).
Also, Nintendo can cut costs all they want but as ling as they lose revenue they will keep running out of things to cut, and as long as Sony keeps increasing revenue they can keep spending. Nintendo was in trouble so it had to develop a new business model a few years back. Sony has been soaring so it keeps spending. It blow up in it's face and it could not. Time will tell, but what we know is that Nintendo has to start increasing revenue sooner or later. We'll see if they can do that this coming year.
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NIK, Apologize for being a bitch. Apologize for assuming I'm wrong when actually I'm right and YOU'RE wrong.
How am I wrong? You're on Nintendo's nutsack, man...Shallow is just neutralizing the thread...No apology, bitch. :-*