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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: D1G1T4L on May 31, 2006, 08:22:38 PM
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first of all, he doesnt even have a real solo cd, chronic, chronic 2001, they all feature bunch of different artists (he is not even on some songs)
2nd of all, people give him way too much credit for beats... most of the beats are not even entirely created by him, keys played by scott, help from mel man, tons of people saying he stole beats and didnt give credit etc etc
3rd.... yea he is cool on the mic but to tell u the truth he is not that great of a rapper if you compare it to lyrical mcs like crooked i, sly boogy etc, he doesnt write his own lyrics either
4th.... even with all of that, he barely releases any beats..... there are many other producers who release quality beats and cds and way more often than dre (quik for example)
yea everything with his name on it is hot and will be worshipped on this website, but i just want people to realize they give him way too much credit, he has a very good ear and connections
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whether he produced them entirely or not...most beats that come with a dr. dre tag are pure heat
i think the reason people are obsessed, me included, is that there are only a handful of producers in hip hop history are comparable to him
peace
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better question: why are people making so many threads about dre?
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first of all, he doesnt even have a real solo cd, chronic, chronic 2001, they all feature bunch of different artists (he is not even on some songs)
2nd of all, people give him way too much credit for beats... most of the beats are not even entirely created by him, keys played by scott, help from mel man, tons of people saying he stole beats and didnt give credit etc etc
3rd.... yea he is cool on the mic but to tell u the truth he is not that great of a rapper if you compare it to lyrical mcs like crooked i, sly boogy etc, he doesnt write his own lyrics either
4th.... even with all of that, he barely releases any beats..... there are many other producers who release quality beats and cds and way more often than dre (quik for example)
yea everything with his name on it is hot and will be worshipped on this website, but i just want people to realize they give him way too much credit, he has a very good ear and connections
You're an idiot and your opinion is bullshit, except for the fact that your opinion clued me in on the fact that you're a fucking idiot. So at least your opinion IS good for 1 thing.
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first of all, he doesnt even have a real solo cd, chronic, chronic 2001, they all feature bunch of different artists (he is not even on some songs)
2nd of all, people give him way too much credit for beats... most of the beats are not even entirely created by him, keys played by scott, help from mel man, tons of people saying he stole beats and didnt give credit etc etc
3rd.... yea he is cool on the mic but to tell u the truth he is not that great of a rapper if you compare it to lyrical mcs like crooked i, sly boogy etc, he doesnt write his own lyrics either
4th.... even with all of that, he barely releases any beats..... there are many other producers who release quality beats and cds and way more often than dre (quik for example)
yea everything with his name on it is hot and will be worshipped on this website, but i just want people to realize they give him way too much credit, he has a very good ear and connections
Do you know what a producer does?
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first of all, he doesnt even have a real solo cd, chronic, chronic 2001, they all feature bunch of different artists (he is not even on some songs)
2nd of all, people give him way too much credit for beats... most of the beats are not even entirely created by him, keys played by scott, help from mel man, tons of people saying he stole beats and didnt give credit etc etc
3rd.... yea he is cool on the mic but to tell u the truth he is not that great of a rapper if you compare it to lyrical mcs like crooked i, sly boogy etc, he doesnt write his own lyrics either
4th.... even with all of that, he barely releases any beats..... there are many other producers who release quality beats and cds and way more often than dre (quik for example)
yea everything with his name on it is hot and will be worshipped on this website, but i just want people to realize they give him way too much credit, he has a very good ear and connections
You're an idiot and your opinion is bullshit, except for the fact that your opinion clued me in on the fact that you're a fucking idiot. So at least your opinion IS good for 1 thing.
harsh and straight to the point. lol
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I DIDNT KNOW HE PRODUCED MACK 10's Hate In Yo Eyes!
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Ouch, that should shut him up, nice reply 8)
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Who was SAY MY NAME - By X Zibit, Nate Dogg, And Eminem directed towards? Wasn't that a beef track directed towards Snoop?
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first of all, he doesnt even have a real solo cd, chronic, chronic 2001, they all feature bunch of different artists (he is not even on some songs)
2nd of all, people give him way too much credit for beats... most of the beats are not even entirely created by him, keys played by scott, help from mel man, tons of people saying he stole beats and didnt give credit etc etc
3rd.... yea he is cool on the mic but to tell u the truth he is not that great of a rapper if you compare it to lyrical mcs like crooked i, sly boogy etc, he doesnt write his own lyrics either
4th.... even with all of that, he barely releases any beats..... there are many other producers who release quality beats and cds and way more often than dre (quik for example)
yea everything with his name on it is hot and will be worshipped on this website, but i just want people to realize they give him way too much credit, he has a very good ear and connections
You're an idiot and your opinion is bullshit, except for the fact that your opinion clued me in on the fact that you're a fucking idiot. So at least your opinion IS good for 1 thing.
LOL
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Who was SAY MY NAME - By X Zibit, Nate Dogg, And Eminem directed towards? Wasn't that a beef track directed towards Snoop?
Not Snoop JD
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I DIDNT KNOW HE PRODUCED MACK 10's Hate In Yo Eyes!
The C.V. can teach you many things. Use it wisely my friend.
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I DIDNT KNOW HE PRODUCED MACK 10's Hate In Yo Eyes!
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he didn't... it's produced by Scott Storch... and i know a lot of scott storch productions also.. been a fan of him for a years..
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I DIDNT KNOW HE PRODUCED MACK 10's Hate In Yo Eyes!
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he didn't... it's produced by Scott Storch... and i know a lot of scott storch productions also.. been a fan of him for a years..
eh its Dr Dre...
1.. He's a producer/rapper. He's showcasing both sides.
2.. You don't understand was a producer is. A producer guides, and oversee's the project. If they don't like something its changed. Look at all the interviews about how Dre will get people to do 100s of takes so shit sounds right. Quincy Jones doesn't play all the instruments on his albums. Stevie wonder didn't play everything on Songs In the Key.. So quit hating.
Theres a huge difference between a Pete Rock/Primo kind of producer sticking dusty loops in an MPC/SP12 and directing real musicians to lay down and mix a song.
Compare the role of a producer between Rap and every other musical genre. The producer label is really misplaced when applied to these 'beatmakers'.
3.. Yeah he doesn't write his own lyrics. But he's reject shit he doesnt like. He sent Still DRE back to Jay-Z coz it was too east coast oriented.. It was still his concept. Dre's fingerprints run from NWA -> Chronic -> Snoop -> 2001. They're there if you look. One cursory example.. The concept of "the next episode" was first mentioned by Dre.. on efil4zaggin..
4.. Get real. If you had a gazzillion dollars and a family and didn't really need to work for the rest of your life.. Would you be holed up in a studio all day?
Yes Dre's NOT the best rapper, not the best 'musician' but he';s the best producer. What that means is as a quality control thing, as the person that stamps his seal of approval on things, as a person that control's and oversee's the creation and tweaking of something to conclusion he is unmatched.
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i think people are obsessed with him because he is great.. he's had a huge impact on what-ever hip-hop you listen to now..
cant critisize the man.
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this faggot is always hating on LA artist. hes from the Bay. go figure
if u can't see why Dre is so great then you should kill yourself.
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I DIDNT KNOW HE PRODUCED MACK 10's Hate In Yo Eyes!
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he didn't... it's produced by Scott Storch... and i know a lot of scott storch productions also.. been a fan of him for a years..
Had to drop back with proof...
"Copped a rock from the D-R to make the head ring, sing"
why would mack 10 say that.. ?
Copped a rock from the D-R > dr dre..
to make the head ring > reference to keep their heads ringing.. hailed as dre's best ever song..
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Dre is a legend...and when he drops anything, even when the shit is subpar (like most of his beats these days), niggas look and listen to it differently just like when Quik or Battlecat drop some shit...
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2nd of all, people give him way too much credit for beats... most of the beats are not even entirely created by him, keys played by scott, help from mel man, tons of people saying he stole beats and didnt give credit etc etc
3rd.... yea he is cool on the mic but to tell u the truth he is not that great of a rapper if you compare it to lyrical mcs like crooked i, sly boogy etc, he doesnt write his own lyrics either
those are valid arguments.
I do understand dre is a producer but people potray him as a beatmaker also, when most of the beats arent entirelly made or produced by him. His 2001 album was CO produced by Mel-Man. Now a days most of his the shit he produces is almost always CO produced with someone else. They arent that great either. He's been inconstistent ever since he left Deathrow. In deathrow and in his NWA days he produced and made alot of the beats, and almost all of them were fire, but even then people were saying alot of shit was helped from daz and such. Since then only occasionally he comes with heat, when he does its amazing but still with help from someone else. This is all just from credits so you dont know the full story.
Dr. Dre is a legend no doubt, responsible for classic albums but people overcredit dre and dont give credit to his helpers when they forget that most people are helping him produce and most of the beats arent entirelly constructed by him and he doenst write his lyrics.
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Dre is mad overrated.It's said he doesn't write his lyrics and is known for taking credits.smh at most of the internet community riding his nuts.
DJ Quik>Dre
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1. Dre is a fuckin legend
2. It's not like he drops a cd/beat every year/day so the anticipation is still important
3. One of the only producer who can bring a whole new sound and change the game..
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I DIDNT KNOW HE PRODUCED MACK 10's Hate In Yo Eyes!
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he didn't... it's produced by Scott Storch... and i know a lot of scott storch productions also.. been a fan of him for a years..
Had to drop back with proof...
"Copped a rock from the D-R to make the head ring, sing"
why would mack 10 say that.. ?
Copped a rock from the D-R > dr dre..
to make the head ring > reference to keep their heads ringing.. hailed as dre's best ever song..
As usual, the answer is in The Vault. 8)
2. Hate In Yo Eyes -
Produced by Dr. Dre
Keyboards by Scott Storch
Mixed by Dr. Dre
*Contains an interpolation of "Stayin Alive"*
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thats a good question ... of course hes a legend and i really like his older productions from the 90's but i dont
care about him/his beats since the chronic 2001. and i really cant understand the hype about detox ^^
thats my opinion ...
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Dre iz a legend no doubt about that but I haven't really been checking for him since Chronic 2001, I can understand tha hype surrounding him and why people are anticipating Detox so much though...
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first of all, he doesnt even have a real solo cd, chronic, chronic 2001, they all feature bunch of different artists (he is not even on some songs)
2nd of all, people give him way too much credit for beats... most of the beats are not even entirely created by him, keys played by scott, help from mel man, tons of people saying he stole beats and didnt give credit etc etc
3rd.... yea he is cool on the mic but to tell u the truth he is not that great of a rapper if you compare it to lyrical mcs like crooked i, sly boogy etc, he doesnt write his own lyrics either
4th.... even with all of that, he barely releases any beats..... there are many other producers who release quality beats and cds and way more often than dre (quik for example)
yea everything with his name on it is hot and will be worshipped on this website, but i just want people to realize they give him way too much credit, he has a very good ear and connections
You're an idiot and your opinion is bullshit, except for the fact that your opinion clued me in on the fact that you're a fucking idiot. So at least your opinion IS good for 1 thing.
harsh and straight to the point. lol
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dre is played out homie need to retire after chronic 2001 i really stopped checking for duke and i never liked his rappin sounds to forced and why rap when you cant write your own lyrics .
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He's a tight producer and has a very good lyric delivery, but holdin cats careers up aint cool. Hittman should'nt be just coming out 7 years later. And Daz made Deathrow, though Warren G kicked off that sound with "Indo smoke" and "Regulate"
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good to see at least a few mature replies, i thought this board gone to shit all together
my point was not to make dre seem like nobody, i appreciate all he has done and will always check for him, i am just sayiing people overrate him a bit too much and dont give credit to the people who help him - that was my main point
(but as i can see i got really under people's skin, karma went down lol)
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first of all, he doesnt even have a real solo cd, chronic, chronic 2001, they all feature bunch of different artists (he is not even on some songs)
2nd of all, people give him way too much credit for beats... most of the beats are not even entirely created by him, keys played by scott, help from mel man, tons of people saying he stole beats and didnt give credit etc etc
3rd.... yea he is cool on the mic but to tell u the truth he is not that great of a rapper if you compare it to lyrical mcs like crooked i, sly boogy etc, he doesnt write his own lyrics either
4th.... even with all of that, he barely releases any beats..... there are many other producers who release quality beats and cds and way more often than dre (quik for example)
yea everything with his name on it is hot and will be worshipped on this website, but i just want people to realize they give him way too much credit, he has a very good ear and connections
good point
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LOL @ all Dr. Dre groupies catching feelings :D
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dre's the best to ever do it, that's why everyone is obsessed with him... he understands what makes a song/album more than just a collection of dope beats and lyrics. he was behind no one can do it better... the NWA shit... chronic... doggystyle... 2001... em's first two albums... he's been behind the scenes of a ton of my favorite albums
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Why this topic continues i dont know, Overseer CLEARLY shut it down......
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I don't think most of you understand what goes on in the studio with Dre. Saying 'co-producer' and he doesn't make the beats, the musicians do, is NOT a valid argument at all.
You know I'm a big Brian Wilson fan, Brian Wilson is one of the greatest rock producers of all time. I've listened to hours of his studio tapes producing, because they're available. If Dr. Dre's studio tapes were available (which they never will be, who knows if he even keeps tape rolling, it's all digital), you'd have a much different opinion of him and would probably consider him a genius, not just a good song maker.
Dre doesn't come up with every single nuance of every beat... but he DOES O.K. and direct every single nuance of every single beat. He works as a true producer does, just like Brian Wilson did back in the 60's, just like someone like Phil Spector or Quincy Jones might.. he's old school and grew up from when he was a KID spinning records. This guy knows music in and out, he knows how things should sound, he knows what to add to this, what to not use, etc. If you'd ever listened to studio tapes of any famous producer, you'd know that their job is extraordinary.
The drummer might play some fills, and Dre will tell him, no, more snare, less cymbal, Dre tells the engineer, move the mic a little closer to the hi-hat and the overhead mike, turn that off. Dre finally gets the drummer playing something that sounds right, and then moves on to something else. His work on a drum track alone might be more involved than anything any other beat-maker in hiphop will do. Dre's drums always sound head and shoulders above others.
Any keyboard player can come up with a little riff, something nice sounding... but Dre is the one who says "no, that doesn't fit there, play more of a chord instead of a single melody" or whatever.
He does this all the way through the song, with every single instrument. In the 60's, Brian used to jump in and play a drum line if the drummer hadn't showed up yet, or played a piano roll because he had it in his head and it was easier to just play it than explain what it should sound like... or maybe he'd lay down a bass line or play a little guitar part, even though he wasn't formerly trained in any of those instruments. I've heard of Dre doing the same damn thing.
This stuff isn't science, some of these big cats like this have something special running through their blood, there's only been a handfull of them and Dre's one of them. It's rare that someone can be THAT type of producer and also be so commercially successful, most of your 'genius' musicians never receive mainstream recognition because their music is so avante guarde... Dre's sold a fortune of records, he'd be even richer if he was a better businessman.
Saying he doesn't do much is so fucking rediculous I'm surprised I even ran my mouth this long disputing it. If you knew anything about recording true, created in a room music, you wouldn't ever say something like that about Dre. Guys like Battlecat and Soopafly and Daz aren't even in Dre's area code much less in his league. Even Warren G who I love is so far removed from Dre's talent level that it's mindblowing. It's just not the same thing.
BY THE WAY, Quincy Jones like O said released entire albums under his name with his picture on the cover that he didn't play a note, and didn't say a word on.
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I don't think most of you understand what goes on in the studio with Dre. Saying 'co-producer' and he doesn't make the beats, the musicians do, is NOT a valid argument at all.
You know I'm a big Brian Wilson fan, Brian Wilson is one of the greatest rock producers of all time. I've listened to hours of his studio tapes producing, because they're available. If Dr. Dre's studio tapes were available (which they never will be, who knows if he even keeps tape rolling, it's all digital), you'd have a much different opinion of him and would probably consider him a genius, not just a good song maker.
Dre doesn't come up with every single nuance of every beat... but he DOES O.K. and direct every single nuance of every single beat. He works as a true producer does, just like Brian Wilson did back in the 60's, just like someone like Phil Spector or Quincy Jones might.. he's old school and grew up from when he was a KID spinning records. This guy knows music in and out, he knows how things should sound, he knows what to add to this, what to not use, etc. If you'd ever listened to studio tapes of any famous producer, you'd know that their job is extraordinary.
The drummer might play some fills, and Dre will tell him, no, more snare, less cymbal, Dre tells the engineer, move the mic a little closer to the hi-hat and the overhead mike, turn that off. Dre finally gets the drummer playing something that sounds right, and then moves on to something else. His work on a drum track alone might be more involved than anything any other beat-maker in hiphop will do. Dre's drums always sound head and shoulders above others.
Any keyboard player can come up with a little riff, something nice sounding... but Dre is the one who says "no, that doesn't fit there, play more of a chord instead of a single melody" or whatever.
He does this all the way through the song, with every single instrument. In the 60's, Brian used to jump in and play a drum line if the drummer hadn't showed up yet, or played a piano roll because he had it in his head and it was easier to just play it than explain what it should sound like... or maybe he'd lay down a bass line or play a little guitar part, even though he wasn't formerly trained in any of those instruments. I've heard of Dre doing the same damn thing.
This stuff isn't science, some of these big cats like this have something special running through their blood, there's only been a handfull of them and Dre's one of them. It's rare that someone can be THAT type of producer and also be so commercially successful, most of your 'genius' musicians never receive mainstream recognition because their music is so avante guarde... Dre's sold a fortune of records, he'd be even richer if he was a better businessman.
Saying he doesn't do much is so fucking rediculous I'm surprised I even ran my mouth this long disputing it. If you knew anything about recording true, created in a room music, you wouldn't ever say something like that about Dre. Guys like Battlecat and Soopafly and Daz aren't even in Dre's area code much less in his league. Even Warren G who I love is so far removed from Dre's talent level that it's mindblowing. It's just not the same thing.
BY THE WAY, Quincy Jones like O said released entire albums under his name with his picture on the cover that he didn't play a note, and didn't say a word on.
It was about time someone said something sensible in this thread.
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^^ dope read and a dope post. couldnt of said it better myself. the reason dre now puts a co-producer in his credits is probabley because he was sickof the likes of daz claiming they produced the whole record and not helping. dre is pure dope hate all you want but jordan was hated, when your at the top theres always going to be hate and people trying to bring you down. no producer regardless of genre has stayed at the top of the game and sold as many records in the rap biz as the D.R.E. i for one couldnt give a fuck about what people say, i enjoy the cats music and dre will always have my ear for his music.
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cats just startin to hate cuz Dre hasn't dropped Detox yet , shame
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more like because of the game being off aftermath / dre "siding" with 50 situation...
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I don't think most of you understand what goes on in the studio with Dre. Saying 'co-producer' and he doesn't make the beats, the musicians do, is NOT a valid argument at all.
You know I'm a big Brian Wilson fan, Brian Wilson is one of the greatest rock producers of all time. I've listened to hours of his studio tapes producing, because they're available. If Dr. Dre's studio tapes were available (which they never will be, who knows if he even keeps tape rolling, it's all digital), you'd have a much different opinion of him and would probably consider him a genius, not just a good song maker.
Dre doesn't come up with every single nuance of every beat... but he DOES O.K. and direct every single nuance of every single beat. He works as a true producer does, just like Brian Wilson did back in the 60's, just like someone like Phil Spector or Quincy Jones might.. he's old school and grew up from when he was a KID spinning records. This guy knows music in and out, he knows how things should sound, he knows what to add to this, what to not use, etc. If you'd ever listened to studio tapes of any famous producer, you'd know that their job is extraordinary.
The drummer might play some fills, and Dre will tell him, no, more snare, less cymbal, Dre tells the engineer, move the mic a little closer to the hi-hat and the overhead mike, turn that off. Dre finally gets the drummer playing something that sounds right, and then moves on to something else. His work on a drum track alone might be more involved than anything any other beat-maker in hiphop will do. Dre's drums always sound head and shoulders above others.
Any keyboard player can come up with a little riff, something nice sounding... but Dre is the one who says "no, that doesn't fit there, play more of a chord instead of a single melody" or whatever.
He does this all the way through the song, with every single instrument. In the 60's, Brian used to jump in and play a drum line if the drummer hadn't showed up yet, or played a piano roll because he had it in his head and it was easier to just play it than explain what it should sound like... or maybe he'd lay down a bass line or play a little guitar part, even though he wasn't formerly trained in any of those instruments. I've heard of Dre doing the same damn thing.
This stuff isn't science, some of these big cats like this have something special running through their blood, there's only been a handfull of them and Dre's one of them. It's rare that someone can be THAT type of producer and also be so commercially successful, most of your 'genius' musicians never receive mainstream recognition because their music is so avante guarde... Dre's sold a fortune of records, he'd be even richer if he was a better businessman.
Saying he doesn't do much is so fucking rediculous I'm surprised I even ran my mouth this long disputing it. If you knew anything about recording true, created in a room music, you wouldn't ever say something like that about Dre. Guys like Battlecat and Soopafly and Daz aren't even in Dre's area code much less in his league. Even Warren G who I love is so far removed from Dre's talent level that it's mindblowing. It's just not the same thing.
BY THE WAY, Quincy Jones like O said released entire albums under his name with his picture on the cover that he didn't play a note, and didn't say a word on.
Exactly. I dont know where the whole "producers are beat makers" idea started.
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Dr. Dre is God and you must all worship him. :-*
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Ted's post pretty much sums it up. I laugh everytime I hear people say shit like "Dre doesn't REALLY produce, he jacks peoples beats, blah blah blah". Where are all the other producers that said Dre jacked their beats? Have their careers been sizzling since they parted with Dre? Fuck no. ANYBODY can be taught to play an instrument. But having an incredible ear for music is what makes Dre elite. You think if he wasn't the genius behind his music catalog his career would span 3 fucking decades? People need to think before they speak.