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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Javier on June 25, 2006, 02:11:49 PM
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Germany
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Argentina
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Dont like both teams, I hope its a match like Portugal- Holland, so that lots of people cant play in the semis
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I'm cheering for Argentina all the way now :raisetheroof:
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If Argentina ain't playin way better than against Mexico, that shit is going to be nice 8) My only worry is their fast players like Messi outrunning Friedrich but we shoot more than 1 goal for sure so that just shouldnt happen too often then :D
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If Argentina ain't playin way better than against Mexico, that shit is going to be nice 8) My only worry is their fast players like Messi outrunning Friedrich but we shoot more than 1 goal for sure so that just shouldnt happen too often then :D
watch out for Tevez too :)
Germany hasn't been tested yet this tournament... only against Poland, but Poland doesn't have a great soccer team.
^that's in Argentina's advantage
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germany
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Damn the best game of the tournament so far.
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im gonna say germany 1-0
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Argentina, no problems.
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argentina is my fav. to win this WC fo sho
after ghana ofc 8)
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i hope argentina is gonna win but im afraid those smelly germans are gonna win the championship
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i fuckin hate zee germans. honesly it took maybe 5 years for me to get over that 90 lost....and im still bitter over it.
fuck germany for life. i would be inclined to say that argentina will wipe the floor with em, if it wasnt for the fact that soccer is fixed, and no way a home team like germany would be allowed to go out so early
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argentina...
havent caught one of their games yet.. but i heard they're storming..
would rather there was a chance england didn't meet them at some point given the fact they pretty much always get us on penalties
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I think this game is gunna be rigged and the germans are going to win
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Damn the best game of the tournament so far.
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wow , that was surprising... nice match tho, germans deserved it
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Germany :D
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damn it
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<Meho> which game is at 5.00
<Don-Seer> not sure
* Don-Seer checks online tv guide
<Don-Seer> Germany v Argentina. 3pm uk time
<Don-Seer> italy vs ukraine - 730 pm uk time
<Meho> ah ok
<Meho> germany- argentina
<Meho> penalties
<Meho> mark my words
<Meho> germany will win
<Meho> and ayala will miss the penalty
Whos your daddy ?????!!!!!
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I'm sure there was a logical reason why boy wonder Leo Messi and Saviola were not put in at any moment of this game. I'm also sure the person that knows that answer also knows why Korea beat Italy in 2002, and Portugal and Greece headlined the Euro Cup. I almost forgot why I hate the World Cup. Oh well. I knew Germany wasn't going to go out on home soil. I predict they beat Brazil in the finals. Maybe Brazil's coach will have an epiphany and decide to take Ronaldinho out of the game.
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Anyone know why Heinze went psycho at the end ?
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FUCK... really didnt want them to win :(
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Germany were always going to win on pens with Lehmann in their team
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Anyone know why Heinze went psycho at the end ?
wasn't that crespo trippin @ bierhoff?
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Messi didn't come in because of the injury to argentina's GK.
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unlucky ladies, looks like chief is that much richer 8)
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Anyone know why Heinze went psycho at the end ?
wasn't that crespo trippin @ bierhoff?
What? I guees I missed the whole thing :-\
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Messi didn't come in because of the injury to argentina's GK.
Nice try. Abbondanzieri was the first person to be substuted. Even with the unfortunate injury there were still two substitutes left and they were done all wrong, or all right depending on who you think was calling the shots. Riquelme should have stayed right where he was and Tevez and Rodriguez who were both clearly tired should have been taken out and replaced with Saviola and Messi. Of course if that happened then Argentina would have won and we can't have that in Germany.
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Germany vs Italy, can't fucking wait.
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Messi didn't come in because of the injury to argentina's GK.
Nice try. Abbondanzieri was the first person to be substuted. Even with the unfortunate injury there were still two substitutes left and they were done all wrong, or all right depending on who you think was calling the shots. Riquelme should have stayed right where he was and Tevez and Rodriguez who were both clearly tired should have been taken out and replaced with Saviola and Messi. Of course if that happened then Argentina would have won and we can't have that in Germany.
Riquelme wasn't coming back down to help Argentina's defense. Cambiasso was a perfect change. At that point, Argentina wanted to preserve the win which is the right thing to do. In the 79th minute, Cruz came in who's a striker that has a better physical presence than any other of their players and would have worked well on set piece defending. The goal landed right after, and thanks to their GK getting injured the emergency change of Messi coming in for Lucho Gonzales would not be able to come through. Saviola coming in for Tevez? Please. Saviola gets punked around with any good defensive teams.
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nah heinze was the one who lost it
i'm sure we'll find out what happened soon enough
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Messi didn't come in because of the injury to argentina's GK.
Nice try. Abbondanzieri was the first person to be substuted. Even with the unfortunate injury there were still two substitutes left and they were done all wrong, or all right depending on who you think was calling the shots. Riquelme should have stayed right where he was and Tevez and Rodriguez who were both clearly tired should have been taken out and replaced with Saviola and Messi. Of course if that happened then Argentina would have won and we can't have that in Germany.
Riquelme wasn't coming back down to help Argentina's defense. Cambiasso was a perfect change. At that point, Argentina wanted to preserve the win which is the right thing to do. In the 79th minute, Cruz came in who's a striker that has a better physical presence than any other of their players and would have worked well on set piece defending. The goal landed right after, and thanks to their GK getting injured the emergency change of Messi coming in for Lucho Gonzales would not be able to come through. Saviola coming in for Tevez? Please. Saviola gets punked around with any good defensive teams.
Riquelme didn't have to come back on D. He always had the ball and would have kept it away from Germany longer than anyone else. With Riquelme mifdfield and a fresh Saviola (that's the key) with a fresh Messi and Crespo up front they would have scored again. Of course it doesn't matter in the end. The tournament is set up for host teams to do better than they should do. With Germany, who's already a powerhouse they have to win or at least lose in the finals. I also question a few other things; whether the goalie was really hurt. Whether the second goalie could have stopped that slow header. And whether that was a hand swat by Germany in their own zone that was never replayed near the end. I didn't notice it when I watched but the Greek News channel my parents order directly from Greece talked about it in depth and they really have no reason to side with Argentina.
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Messi didn't come in because of the injury to argentina's GK.
Nice try. Abbondanzieri was the first person to be substuted. Even with the unfortunate injury there were still two substitutes left and they were done all wrong, or all right depending on who you think was calling the shots. Riquelme should have stayed right where he was and Tevez and Rodriguez who were both clearly tired should have been taken out and replaced with Saviola and Messi. Of course if that happened then Argentina would have won and we can't have that in Germany.
Riquelme wasn't coming back down to help Argentina's defense. Cambiasso was a perfect change. At that point, Argentina wanted to preserve the win which is the right thing to do. In the 79th minute, Cruz came in who's a striker that has a better physical presence than any other of their players and would have worked well on set piece defending. The goal landed right after, and thanks to their GK getting injured the emergency change of Messi coming in for Lucho Gonzales would not be able to come through. Saviola coming in for Tevez? Please. Saviola gets punked around with any good defensive teams.
Riquelme didn't have to come back on D. He always had the ball and would have kept it away from Germany longer than anyone else. With Riquelme mifdfield and a fresh Saviola (that's the key) with a fresh Messi and Crespo up front they would have scored again. Of course it doesn't matter in the end. The tournament is set up for host teams to do better than they should do. With Germany, who's already a powerhouse they have to win or at least lose in the finals. I also question a few other things; whether the goalie was really hurt. Whether the second goalie could have stopped that slow header. And whether that was a hand swat by Germany in their own zone that was never replayed near the end. I didn't notice it when I watched but the Greek News channel my parents order directly from Greece talked about it in depth and they really have no reason to side with Argentina.
It would be silly to have Saviola, Riquelme, Messi and Crespo at the same time in a tight 1-0 match. Riquelme wasn't the holding the ball anymore, were you actually watching the game? Do you even realize how Germany scored? It wasn't just a slow header, lol wow.
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The substitutions cost them the game.....and his job
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Messi should have started but there was no he way he was going to come in for Crespo and especially not in the 79th minute in a 1-0 game. The stats were in his favor, he played the odds well.
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Hate to say i told you so..........
Arne Friedrich was beyond horrible, I hope Germany can improve when Ballack comes back and Friedrich is replaced by some better player like Nowotny or so.
Exactly what i was thinkin. IMO Germany will battle their way 2 the semi's at least......
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Messi didn't come in because of the injury to argentina's GK.
Nice try. Abbondanzieri was the first person to be substuted. Even with the unfortunate injury there were still two substitutes left and they were done all wrong, or all right depending on who you think was calling the shots. Riquelme should have stayed right where he was and Tevez and Rodriguez who were both clearly tired should have been taken out and replaced with Saviola and Messi. Of course if that happened then Argentina would have won and we can't have that in Germany.
Riquelme wasn't coming back down to help Argentina's defense. Cambiasso was a perfect change. At that point, Argentina wanted to preserve the win which is the right thing to do. In the 79th minute, Cruz came in who's a striker that has a better physical presence than any other of their players and would have worked well on set piece defending. The goal landed right after, and thanks to their GK getting injured the emergency change of Messi coming in for Lucho Gonzales would not be able to come through. Saviola coming in for Tevez? Please. Saviola gets punked around with any good defensive teams.
Riquelme didn't have to come back on D. He always had the ball and would have kept it away from Germany longer than anyone else. With Riquelme mifdfield and a fresh Saviola (that's the key) with a fresh Messi and Crespo up front they would have scored again. Of course it doesn't matter in the end. The tournament is set up for host teams to do better than they should do. With Germany, who's already a powerhouse they have to win or at least lose in the finals. I also question a few other things; whether the goalie was really hurt. Whether the second goalie could have stopped that slow header. And whether that was a hand swat by Germany in their own zone that was never replayed near the end. I didn't notice it when I watched but the Greek News channel my parents order directly from Greece talked about it in depth and they really have no reason to side with Argentina.
It would be silly to have Saviola, Riquelme, Messi and Crespo at the same time in a tight 1-0 match. Riquelme wasn't the holding the ball anymore, were you actually watching the game? Do you even realize how Germany scored? It wasn't just a slow header, lol wow.
If it was all legit and I knew that Germany would not want to lose in their own country and I'd put everyone on at the end, like they did against Serbia when they scored 6 goals. But it isn't legit. It's pro sports. Which means it's just a bit more real than pro wrestling. I took the sign when I saw Rodriguez get yellow carded for getting fouled. Now it would make no sense for one to think you should get carded for getting fouled but if you remember 1990 you'll notice it was that exact play in reverse that caused Germany to win late in the game. German running to the right side with the ball gets slide tackled and gets a penalty kick for the win. But in this case it was a slide tackle for a yellow card. The other difference was that this was a legit foul while the play in '90 was a legal tackle that hit the ball first.
Also, If you watch the goalie when the ball was headed in you'll see that he dives but het doesn't. He looks like he dives for the ball but he doesn't actually moves to his right at all. It was a motionless dive. He could have just stayed standing. The excuse is he was rusty. I also question whether Abbondanzieri was really hurt. Oh well. I could care less. Germany will go on to the final and beat Brazil so they can avenge their 2002 loss like they avenged their '86 loss in '90. Trust me. It's all pro wrestling.
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The goalie was moving to his left since the ball was originally headed to his left and Klose came in and headed it towards the other direction, therefore unless he's superman he wasn't going to be able to stop that ball after he had made his original movement to the left. Maxi Rodriguez was clearly diving, there's no doubt about this. Maxi was diving throughout the entire tournament actually, and he finally got a yellow.
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I think Messi would have caused more problems possibly even set up a 2nd for argentina and certainly would have eaten up some time chasing long balls and runnin with the ball
cruz came on and made no contribution thru no fault of his own tho
the manager got it tactically WRONG i.m.o.
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The goalie was moving to his left since the ball was originally headed to his left and Klose came in and headed it towards the other direction, therefore unless he's superman he wasn't going to be able to stop that ball after he had made his original movement to the left. Maxi Rodriguez was clearly diving, there's no doubt about this. Maxi was diving throughout the entire tournament actually, and he finally got a yellow.
He looks pretty planted to me. He may have been going left initially but he clearly stopped when he saw the header coming (before it was headed) then "dove" to the right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Beq3eZmc8N4&search=Germany%20vs%20Argentina
Clearly a dive? You're dreaming. Now It may have been a dive I don't know. Only Rodriguez knows for sure. What we do know for sure, well I do since I've seen the game 3 times already is that his foot definately came into contact with the German defenders and the ball was never touched by the defender. You want to see a dive check out some of Germany's. Particularly the one that caused Argentia a yellow card and the two guys never came into contact. Even the british announcer called that one bullshit.
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The video proves that I'm right, thanks. Look at that last replay, find me a goal keeper that will be able to make that sort of movement, and I'll call him a god.
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The video proves that I'm right, thanks. Look at that last replay, find me a goal keeper that will be able to make that sort of movement, and I'll call him a god.
You think people that can go from planted upright positions to right side leaps two feet away are Gods? To each his own. I think pro sports are a business and a political tool used to control the masses and I think the world leaders are smart enough to know and take advantage of that fact. I'm not mad Argentina lost. I understand it and if Messi really is the next Maradona then I think Argentina will win in '08 or lose a greuler to Brazil in hte finals. Saviola, Tevez, Messi, Cambioso, and Rodriguez will still be in their 20s in '08 and Crespo and Sorin should be playable. That'll be a team to watch.
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Gods because they will be bending physics, momentum can't just be paused and changed the other way in a split second. Yes, Argentina will definately be favorites in 2010.
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BUENOS DIAS ARGENTINA 8)
HEINZE = BITCH ASS 8)
the streetz went buckwild the whole night 8)
54, 74, 90, 2006 JA SO STIMMEN WIR ALLE EIN, MIT DEM HERZ IN DER HAND UND DER LEIDENSCHAFT IM LAND WERDEN WIR WELTERMEISTER SEIN!!!! biAtch!
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Gods because they will be bending physics, momentum can't just be paused and changed the other way in a split second. Yes, Argentina will definately be favorites in 2010.
2010. That's right. I don't know why I said '08.
It still looks to me like he was planted then moved right. I don't think he missed on purpose. I just think he was rusty. What I question in the fixed part of the game was Abbondanzieri's injury. While I do think it didn't look like that bad of a hit. I know he could get up and play and when he complained he was standing and walking. Then all of a sudden he can't move. I also wonder where Maradona was. You'd think he'd be all over a game against his old finals rivals. Maybe his buddy Fidel tipped him off and told him the news. ;)
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Football is not Wrestling LOL
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Football is not Wrestling LOL
I know. In wrestling they tell you it's fake. Football is like religion ;). A bunch of bullshit that people make you think is 100% real when it isn't. Particularly World Football in countries that desperately need distractions. Countries use sports and entertainment to fool the people and make them blind. You're a great example of that. When it's Jesus and the Church you're quick to point all the evils those that run it are committing, but it's your precious team Germany you're not quite as observant. Don't worry it happens to the best of us.
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The judges were not fair in this game. After Argentina scored it all became one silly joke.
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I used to think you're not very dumb, so I let it slide because you probably have a hard time right now or something because I really can't grasp how a sane person could think they got the whole world of betrayal figured out and act like it's a fact, like everyone who doesn't believe so is a follower etc... how can you even keep a straight face writing that?
Let's expose some of your hatful bullshit.
-If it was a fixed game like wrestling, there were 2 incidents were Ballack could have gotten a penalty, which the ref ignored.
-If it was a fixed game, how come they even create a situation like the one in which Maxi dives (which you chose to ignore, it really was a dive)?
-Doesn't it contradict itself when you first claim that Argentina players were involved in the fix, which is an outrageously stupid thing to claim, when there's Maxi diving which he really wouldn't do in a fixed game, and also Argentina players being emotional and passionate and sad and angry after the loss, which they wouldn't be in a fixed one now would they.
-Even IF the ref would have clearly helped Germany, which again, he DID NOT, refs sometimes make bad/wrong decisions, no shit, doesn't mean the team that benefits from them bribed them.
-LMAO@all that conspiracy talk, LOL. You're probably just mad cause with all the conspiracy and money in the world Canada could NEVER EVER win the world cup. LOL.
-Saying that it must be fixed cause the keeper didn't catch Klose's header, you really depict yourself as a challenged individual when it comes to talking about football. There are few keepers in the world who would have handled that shot, if any. And LOL@claiming that injury was fake, lmao, that's my favorite. Have you ever been injured during sports? Probably not, he just tried to play, during aching pain, then realized he couldn't go on and wanted to be taken out of the game finally. While being in his goal he didn't have to walk much in the first place, and they use the stretcher for small things anyways.
Now, I could expose more but I haven't read all the hatful shit your wrote here, cause it makes me sick how someone can take the credit from this team in such a disgraceful manner. I make sure your Karma will never be 40 again.
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The judges were not fair in this game. After Argentina scored it all became one silly joke.
True True...one big joke. They are the hosts and they have to reach semi, just like korea reached semi like this 4 years ago...its a shame whats happenin to football.
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The judges were not fair in this game. After Argentina scored it all became one silly joke.
True True...one big joke. They are the hosts and they have to reach semi, just like korea reached semi like this 4 years ago, its not like refferee did it beacuse he was payd to , but its just the way it ahs to be so Germans can spent lotta money in this week hahaha...its a shame whats happenin to football.
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The judges were not fair in this game. After Argentina scored it all became one silly joke.
True True...one big joke. They are the hosts and they have to reach semi, just like korea reached semi like this 4 years ago...its a shame whats happenin to football.
what exactly are your specifically referring to? the 2 times in which other refs would have given a penalty to germany when ballack was fouled in the penalty area ???
BTW what the FUCK has Argentina done to deserve the Semis more than Germany. It's not like they had more/better chances or anything. It was a close game with no team dominating (which you can only expect from such a match-up) and Argentina lost. End of story.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/EFVaBH2yNjs
if you fast forward to the end of the penalties you will see some of the incident
bierhoff is definately involved altho you don't actually see how or why it kicks off
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The judges were not fair in this game. After Argentina scored it all became one silly joke.
True True...one big joke. They are the hosts and they have to reach semi, just like korea reached semi like this 4 years ago...its a shame whats happenin to football.
what exactly are your specifically referring to? the 2 times in which other refs would have given a penalty to germany when ballack was fouled in the penalty area ???
BTW what the FUCK has Argentina done to deserve the Semis more than Germany. It's not like they had more/better chances or anything. It was a close game with no team dominating (which you can only expect from such a match-up) and Argentina lost. End of story.
germany is good team no doubt...they were playing close, tho refferee was for Germany after Argentina scored...ask anyone.
LOL i saw report yesterday how Neonazis and real Germans as they call themself wildin sayin this is not Germany team with 3 Polish players playing 90 mins...hahahahahaha crazy.
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Germany won coz of Jens Lehmann and partially Klose.
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Germany won because after Ayala scored refferee was on Germanys side...
Germany won because Peckerman didnt put Messi, and put Cruz in the game...
Germany won beacuse Klose injured NO.1 Argentinian goal keeper with Unltimate fight kick, and had 1 substitute less...
Germany won because they had Lehman who is better goal keeper....
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http://www.youtube.com/v/EFVaBH2yNjs
if you fast forward to the end of the penalties you will see some of the incident
bierhoff is definately involved altho you don't actually see how or why it kicks off
I read that the argentina players trash talked the german penalty shooters and after borowski scored he made a "shhh" gest to them, which pissed one of them off so much that he kicked mertesacker in the balls after the game (cause he had mistaken him for borowski)... after that a bunch of other shit popped off
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so basically argentina would the german players up, then started a fight bcoz a german responded?
not quite buying that
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After the end of the game Tim Borowski once again told Argentinian players to SHHHH...then shit started...crazy hahahaha
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I used to think you're not very dumb, so I let it slide because you probably have a hard time right now or something because I really can't grasp how a sane person could think they got the whole world of betrayal figured out and act like it's a fact, like everyone who doesn't believe so is a follower etc... how can you even keep a straight face writing that?
I did wink didn't I?
-If it was a fixed game like wrestling, there were 2 incidents were Ballack could have gotten a penalty, which the ref ignored
I never saw Ballack in the position of being awarded a penalty kick? And obviously the refs can't make it blatant.
-If it was a fixed game, how come they even create a situation like the one in which Maxi dives (which you chose to ignore, it really was a dive)?
I didn't ignore it. I clearly responded to it and explained that his shin was clearly struck by the German's foot. Whether it was hard enough for Maxi to fall is only known my Maxi. A far more obvious dive by a German earlier in the match resulted in a yellow card for Argentina.
-Doesn't it contradict itself when you first claim that Argentina players were involved in the fix, which is an outrageously stupid thing to claim, when there's Maxi diving which he really wouldn't do in a fixed game, and also Argentina players being emotional and passionate and sad and angry after the loss, which they wouldn't be in a fixed one now would they.
Well he would do it if he knew the yellow card was coming, or maybe he wasn't involved. I never said every player was in on it, or even said I knew for sure that they were. I simply wondered. If th Chicago Whitesox can throw the World Series with only 8 guys then anything is possible. Most people didn't believe it when it happened but its a fact now.
-Even IF the ref would have clearly helped Germany, which again, he DID NOT, refs sometimes make bad/wrong decisions, no shit, doesn't mean the team that benefits from them bribed them.
It's got nothing to do with being bribed by Germany. It's Fifa as a whole. World Soccer is too powerful not to be controlled in some way. Therer has to be a reason the host team always does way better than they should and countries that need promotion end up getting it. In the Euro Cup Germany was absent and Greece won. It took place in Portugal so the Portugese had to go far, and Greece had the Olympics coming up and they needed to promote their country. Greece won in the finals against Portugal and powerhouses like Italy, Spain and Germany were no where to be found. It wasn't Greece paying off the refs. It was more likely to be Greek politicians and the rest of the Europeanleaders discussing it with the corrupt Fifa officials. Wait till 2010 when you see Ghana or some other African team beat out a big European team in the Round of 16 and lose in the semis. I'm calling it now.
-LMAO@all that conspiracy talk, LOL. You're probably just mad cause with all the conspiracy and money in the world Canada could NEVER EVER win the world cup. LOL.
I don't even cheer for Canada's hockey team. I could care less about their soccer team. I am not a nationalist to the point of stupidity. I like hockey and I like socer and I cheer for the style of hockey and soccer I like. In hockey I always prefered the Russian game (even though it's just a Canadian style these days) and even when I watch tapes of the '72 Summit series I still cry foul when I see Russia get screwed in another series I think was set up from day one. Who was involved? I don't know. But I don't hthink it was all legit. And in Soccer I prefer the South American style so I cheer for that style. I just don't get too much into the games because I know the poltics involved. Like ignoring the hand ball by Maradona in '86.
-Saying that it must be fixed cause the keeper didn't catch Klose's header, you really depict yourself as a challenged individual when it comes to talking about football. There are few keepers in the world who would have handled that shot, if any. And LOL@claiming that injury was fake, lmao, that's my favorite. Have you ever been injured during sports? Probably not, he just tried to play, during aching pain, then realized he couldn't go on and wanted to be taken out of the game finally. While being in his goal he didn't have to walk much in the first place, and they use the stretcher for small things anyways.
Didn't I clearly say above that I don't think he was in on it and that he just made a mistake in keeping. Even if that leap is hard he never should have been moving so far left. The way the header was being set up he had to know it was going to go in on the right side. And I'm sure he did know in hindsight, but the pressure was on and he wasn't ready.
As for the first goalie. I just don't think he was hit all that hard. I could be wrong.
Now, I could expose more but I haven't read all the hatful shit your wrote here, cause it makes me sick how someone can take the credit from this team in such a disgraceful manner. I make sure your Karma will never be 40 again.
I'm not taking anything away from the German team. I think they are a great team and could probably win with or with out the politics. I just don't think they won yesterday and I don't understand why their coach would assume that it would be so impossible for the German's to score that he'd sub off his big offensive players and keep two others on the bench. It was only 1 nothing and Germany had a strong incentive to score. He either wasn't thinking or he was doing what he was told. Winston Churchill said pro sports are bullshit and I believe him. You canbe naive if you want. I bet you think Ali/Listonwas legit too and Sonny never took the dive, eventhough it was so obvious that the sports writers at the time all said it was but the only articles that get mentioned are the few positive ones. You know the famous Ali poster where he's standing over the guy in a victorious pose? That's the one Liston dived for. It's all connected. Pro Wrestling was considered real once too.
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Hosting the world cup is of course a significant advantage. For all the obvious reasons. But depicting all pro sports to be a huge set up with involved players and coaches of the losing team is an outrageous claim. After things happen you can often connect a potential agenda towards them. Bottom line remains that it's not the time to elaborate on a huge conspiracy theory concerning all pro sports when people just enjoy the world cup and are full of emotions and basically just want to have a great time.
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Bottom line remains that it's not the time to elaborate on a huge conspiracy theory concerning all pro sports when people just enjoy the world cup and are full of emotions and basically just want to have a great time.
If that was the bottom line then I wouldn't bother with my theories. The problem is with many fans of the World Cup teams is that it goes far beyond that. It may not happen in civilized places like Canada or Germany, but in much of the 2nd and 3rd world it can lead to riots, violence, and even murder whether it be over gambling or just stupid pride. Remember that Columbian player that was found killed in his country after he accidentally kicked in an own goal? Football can be used on a much greater scale than just having good old fun rooting for your team. It can change the mindset of entire countries, like having Argentina beat the oppressing England in '86 and not just beat them but steal a victory from them (which is why I not only think the hand ball was ignored but preplanned to occur; making Diego Maradona a super hero, and making the Argentine population forget about all the shit their own country does to them). I'm not saying every player is just an actor; just that certain players, coaches, and refs are forced to be in on the fix when need be.
All the players are phenominal athletes aand I take nothing away from them but they know sometimes they have to play ball ratrher than play their best football. This is nothing new in the pro sports world. It's been going on for years. Shit even this year in football the Italian league is being put on trial for it. Germany may or may not win. The odds are in their favour right now, even if it wasn't held in Germany, but there was absolitely no reason to replace Crespo with Cruz, and I for one refuse to believe Jose Pekerman is a fool. There was at least 13 minutes of play time left and you were up 1 point against the home country. If you weren't in on the fix you better believe that the refs would have been pressured to try and get Germany to tie it up (I'm not saying the refs are the reason Germany tied. I'm saying as an opposing coach you would think that. See Germany vs England from '66 in the final if you really want to see ref bias). So the logical move is to put in Messi as a just in case. It was your last sub and you needed insurance. Let's not also forget he's one of the best players you have.
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Pekermann cost Argentina the game.. Sorry you don't stop playing your game when u lead 1-0 BUT with 40 min left, WTF he was thinking.. At this point his tactic was just WEIRD, me and my friends were like 'WTF he wants to defend their lead instead of keep playing their passing game during 40 mins ::)" Sometimes the coach lost a game on his own, this is the PERFECT example
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lol shallow you always into conspiracies... argentina lost, the goalie had no chance with that header. he didnt know if it would go left or right, he got stuck.
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lol shallow you always into conspiracies... argentina lost, the goalie had no chance with that header. he didnt know if it would go left or right, he got stuck.
At least I'm consistent. Look what's going on in the Italian League as we speak. Thrirty people being brought up on charges for fixing games. They are unnamed but are members of that league in high positions. If it can happen there it can happen in Fifa.
Let e ask you a simple question; if you lost your superstar goalie to injury late in the game and you are only up by 1 goal would you use your other two subs to take off all your offense and put in only defense with the threat of a second string goalie and no strikers going into extra time? Only an idiot would do that and I don't think of Pekerman as an idiot. Even if that was the only thing that was part of the fix, that's enough to basically throw away the game. Now if the golaie was injured after the 2 subs then I'd understand but he made those 2 subs after he subbed the goalie.
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Hmmm i dunno, it sounds like some shit that would happen in South America or Africa, seems a bit far fetched on such a large stage. HOw woud you explain USA 94 if your going with your "Hosts always do well" theory?....
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Hmmm i dunno, it sounds like some shit that would happen in South America or Africa, seems a bit far fetched on such a large stage. HOw woud you explain USA 94 if your going with your "Hosts always do well" theory?....
lack of even a bit decent players :P
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SHit team with refereeing decisions on their side = a good team
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Hmmm i dunno, it sounds like some shit that would happen in South America or Africa, seems a bit far fetched on such a large stage. HOw woud you explain USA 94 if your going with your "Hosts always do well" theory?....
It is something that happened in Italy; one of the biggest Soccer leagues in the world. Men are ready to go on trial. It is something that happened in the US when the Sox were caught throwing the World Series. These are just the ones where the people were caught and it was made public.
As for US in '94. In '90 U didn't win a game. In '78, '82, and '86 US wasn't even in the World Cup. When they host it they advance to the second round and hold off Brazil to only 1-0 in the playoff match. My theory was the host alweays does way better than they should do. I'd say that qualifies for a team that almost never makes it to the tournament and never wins a game. Shit tema do okay when they host. Good and great teams end up doing amazing.