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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: GangstaBoogy on June 27, 2006, 02:18:54 PM
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Andre Kirilenko
PPG 15.3
RPG 8.00
APG 4.3
BPG 3.19
SPG 1.48
Lamar Odom
PPG 14.8
RPG 9.20
APG 5.5
BPG .80
SPG .94
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Damn it's hard, but i wouldn't trade Odom for Kirilenko. I'm happy with him.
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Lamar Odom...Stats are flawed, Anderi Kirilenko plays a lead role on his team, while Lamar was very diverse with his, initiating the offense AND taking lead when it called for it...AK47's inconsistancies play a huge factor in the decision as well.
Kirilenko's last 6 games:
Apr 16 at Mavericks 2-4 FG, 3 Rebounds, 3 Assists, 1 steal, 2 blocks, 5 turnovers, 9 Points
Apr 14 at Hornets 8-12 FG, 9 Rebounds, 6 Assists, 1 steal, 7 blocks, 3 turnovers, 25 Points
Apr 12 vs. Nuggets 5-13 FG, 5 Rebounds, 7 Assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 4 turnovers, 14 Points
Apr 10 vs. Rockets 1-3 FG, 5 Rebounds, 6 Assists, 0 steals, 2 blocks, 6 turnovers, 3 Points
Apr 08 vs. Blazers 7-12 FG, 9 Rebounds, 5 Assists, 1 steal, 7 blocks, 3 turnovers, 24 Points
Apr 07 at T-wolves 1-6 FG, 7 Rebounds, 7 Assists, 1 steal, 3 blocks, 1 turnover, 6 Points
Sorry...Lamar Odom > AK47
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Difficult for me, can't decide..really :-X
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Forget about NIK hes just a biased dumbass, EVERY SINGLE GM would take Ak47 over Odom, their offensive skills are the same, ak47 is twice the defender odom is and they rebound the same. I'l say it again there are 40-45 players better than Odom, Ak47> Odom all day every day
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Forget about NIK hes just a biased dumbass, EVERY SINGLE GM would take Ak47 over Odom, their offensive skills are the same, ak47 is twice the defender odom is and they rebound the same. I'l say it again there are 40-45 players better than Odom, Ak47> Odom all day every day
Are you a fuckin' fly? No one takes you seriously because you MAKE UP shit. I know for a FACT Isiah Thomas would take Lamar Odom over AK47, and Pat Riley, as well as any team with Larry Brown as the coach...You are a joke. :-*
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Forget about NIK hes just a biased dumbass, EVERY SINGLE GM would take Ak47 over Odom, their offensive skills are the same, ak47 is twice the defender odom is and they rebound the same. I'l say it again there are 40-45 players better than Odom, Ak47> Odom all day every day
Is this a message board? If so, shut the fuck up and let other people have an opinion. Till now NIK and I are pro Odom, and the homie Dieter said it's too difficult. And you have the courage to say EVERY SINGLE GM would take Ak47 over Odom? Let's hope for a single POSTER in this forum first.
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Forget about NIK hes just a biased dumbass, EVERY SINGLE GM would take Ak47 over Odom, their offensive skills are the same, ak47 is twice the defender odom is and they rebound the same. I'l say it again there are 40-45 players better than Odom, Ak47> Odom all day every day
Is this a message board? If so, shut the fuck up and let other people have an opinion. Till now NIK and I are pro Odom, and the homie Dieter said it's too difficult. And you have the courage to say EVERY SINGLE GM would take Ak47 over Odom? Let's hope for a single POSTER in this forum first.
Dude you guys are LAKER FANS!! I'm pretty sure that has something to do with you rating Odom so high. Im not arguing with NIK anymore cause anyone that thinks Odom is better than Marion and Artest doesnt deserve my time of the day. Anyways Im sorry I dont see how any NON BIASED fan could take Odom over AK47 its really not even that close. I meen scoring the same, rebounds the same, defense Ak47 twice as good as Odom. LMAO at you guys talking bout AK'S inconsistency when Odom is much more inconsistent than he is.
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anyone that thinks Odom is better than Marion and Artest doesnt deserve my time of the day.
whoa...i gotta admit marion is odom's bitch. i lost all respect for marion in the lakers series. he couldn't stop odom from scoring, but odom shut him down in like the first 5 games.
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Forget about NIK hes just a biased dumbass, EVERY SINGLE GM would take Ak47 over Odom, their offensive skills are the same, ak47 is twice the defender odom is and they rebound the same. I'l say it again there are 40-45 players better than Odom, Ak47> Odom all day every day
Is this a message board? If so, shut the fuck up and let other people have an opinion. Till now NIK and I are pro Odom, and the homie Dieter said it's too difficult. And you have the courage to say EVERY SINGLE GM would take Ak47 over Odom? Let's hope for a single POSTER in this forum first.
^^Seriously. Even Tex Winter, the architect of the triangle, claimed Odom was the top small forward in the league (considering LeBron and Pierce are natural shooting guard's).
http://messageboard.tuckermax.com/archive/index.php/t-252.html
NIK is the only person alive who thinks Odom is better than AK47.
VVV Othere people alive VVV
The thing I look for in a three is the ability to flow from the inside game to the outside game. So obviously, my 3 has to be able to do it on both ends. So I look for ballhandling, inside/outside scoring and inside/outside defense. I feel like Odom and Kirilenko are 3/4s(and if they're 3's then so is KG) and Artest and Finley are 2/3's, but I guess we'll place them as 3's. I feel Odom's skills are overwhelmingly better than any of the others on the list as far as inside scoring, he can step out and score, he's the best passer on the list, and he is versatile enough to guard the 3, 4, and occasionally the 2 spot. I debated between Artest and Kirilenko at #2, but I have to put switch AK47 there because of his size. I have AK47 at #2 because of versatility, as he can post up smaller guards and take bigger players off the dribble. I also feel he is among the top 5 defenders in the league, and can completely lock down anyone between the 2 and 4 spots. He rebounds, he shoots fairly well, and he's a very good slasher. He is among the league leaders in blocks and steals, and he can really get out and run the floor and he has the athleticism to finish on the break. I have Artest at #3 because of his ability to defend the 1, 2, 3, and 4, his ability to post up smaller guards, and his rebounding ability. Also, his toughness and desire are without equal.
My list would look like this:
1. Odom
2. Kirilenko
3. Artest
4. Marion
5. Rashard Lewis
The 3 in order
1. Odom
2. Artest
3. AK47
You lose, idiot. :-*
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anyone that thinks Odom is better than Marion and Artest doesnt deserve my time of the day.
whoa...i gotta admit marion is odom's bitch. i lost all respect for marion in the lakers series. he couldn't stop odom from scoring, but odom shut him down in like the first 5 games.
Dude, this guy is an idiot...He makes more outrageous claims than you do...LOL. Lots of respected analysts ranked Odom ahead of Marion after seeing them head-to-head in the Lakers-Suns series. Let him speak out his ass, I'll just shut him down for all of us... ;)
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Forget about NIK hes just a biased dumbass, EVERY SINGLE GM would take Ak47 over Odom, their offensive skills are the same, ak47 is twice the defender odom is and they rebound the same. I'l say it again there are 40-45 players better than Odom, Ak47> Odom all day every day
Is this a message board? If so, shut the fuck up and let other people have an opinion. Till now NIK and I are pro Odom, and the homie Dieter said it's too difficult. And you have the courage to say EVERY SINGLE GM would take Ak47 over Odom? Let's hope for a single POSTER in this forum first.
Dude you guys are LAKER FANS!! I'm pretty sure that has something to do with you rating Odom so high. Im not arguing with NIK anymore cause anyone that thinks Odom is better than Marion and Artest doesnt deserve my time of the day. Anyways Im sorry I dont see how any NON BIASED fan could take Odom over AK47 its really not even that close. I meen scoring the same, rebounds the same, defense Ak47 twice as good as Odom. LMAO at you guys talking bout AK'S inconsistency when Odom is much more inconsistent than he is.
Man simply accept the fact we have a different opinion. Is it so hard to do? You're a fan too, but i don't diss you for the simple fact you're a fan. Me and NIK simply like this dude cause he's potentially a wonderful player. Riley, Jackson and Brown, the 3 best coaches in the NBA loves him too, for the same reason. And none of us is saying Ak47 sucks. We simply wouldn't trade Odom for Ak47 str8 up. Read other people's comment if you want it from a non-Laker prospective. But i confirm i wouldn't trade Odom for Ak47.
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Forget about NIK hes just a biased dumbass, EVERY SINGLE GM would take Ak47 over Odom, their offensive skills are the same, ak47 is twice the defender odom is and they rebound the same. I'l say it again there are 40-45 players better than Odom, Ak47> Odom all day every day
Is this a message board? If so, shut the fuck up and let other people have an opinion. Till now NIK and I are pro Odom, and the homie Dieter said it's too difficult. And you have the courage to say EVERY SINGLE GM would take Ak47 over Odom? Let's hope for a single POSTER in this forum first.
^^Seriously. Even Tex Winter, the architect of the triangle, claimed Odom was the top small forward in the league (considering LeBron and Pierce are natural shooting guard's).
http://messageboard.tuckermax.com/archive/index.php/t-252.html
NIK is the only person alive who thinks Odom is better than AK47.
VVV Othere people alive VVV
The thing I look for in a three is the ability to flow from the inside game to the outside game. So obviously, my 3 has to be able to do it on both ends. So I look for ballhandling, inside/outside scoring and inside/outside defense. I feel like Odom and Kirilenko are 3/4s(and if they're 3's then so is KG) and Artest and Finley are 2/3's, but I guess we'll place them as 3's. I feel Odom's skills are overwhelmingly better than any of the others on the list as far as inside scoring, he can step out and score, he's the best passer on the list, and he is versatile enough to guard the 3, 4, and occasionally the 2 spot. I debated between Artest and Kirilenko at #2, but I have to put switch AK47 there because of his size. I have AK47 at #2 because of versatility, as he can post up smaller guards and take bigger players off the dribble. I also feel he is among the top 5 defenders in the league, and can completely lock down anyone between the 2 and 4 spots. He rebounds, he shoots fairly well, and he's a very good slasher. He is among the league leaders in blocks and steals, and he can really get out and run the floor and he has the athleticism to finish on the break. I have Artest at #3 because of his ability to defend the 1, 2, 3, and 4, his ability to post up smaller guards, and his rebounding ability. Also, his toughness and desire are without equal.
My list would look like this:
1. Odom
2. Kirilenko
3. Artest
4. Marion
5. Rashard Lewis
The 3 in order
1. Odom
2. Artest
3. AK47
You lose, idiot. :-*
You are such a fuckin idiot once again you prove only Laker fans rate Odom so high no one else. Dude like I said Odom is the tenth best player in his division and if I went through the whole league their would be over 40 players better than Odom. LMAO at even mentioning Odom as top Small foward there are at least 7,8 sf's better probably alot more. FACE IT YOUR BIASED! Jermaine Oneal has comparable stats to Duncan or Garnett but you dont see me saying he's better than them cause Im not BIASED. Your so dumb man Odom is just another player hes nothing special!
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Forget about NIK hes just a biased dumbass, EVERY SINGLE GM would take Ak47 over Odom, their offensive skills are the same, ak47 is twice the defender odom is and they rebound the same. I'l say it again there are 40-45 players better than Odom, Ak47> Odom all day every day
Is this a message board? If so, shut the fuck up and let other people have an opinion. Till now NIK and I are pro Odom, and the homie Dieter said it's too difficult. And you have the courage to say EVERY SINGLE GM would take Ak47 over Odom? Let's hope for a single POSTER in this forum first.
^^Seriously. Even Tex Winter, the architect of the triangle, claimed Odom was the top small forward in the league (considering LeBron and Pierce are natural shooting guard's).
http://messageboard.tuckermax.com/archive/index.php/t-252.html
NIK is the only person alive who thinks Odom is better than AK47.
VVV Othere people alive VVV
The thing I look for in a three is the ability to flow from the inside game to the outside game. So obviously, my 3 has to be able to do it on both ends. So I look for ballhandling, inside/outside scoring and inside/outside defense. I feel like Odom and Kirilenko are 3/4s(and if they're 3's then so is KG) and Artest and Finley are 2/3's, but I guess we'll place them as 3's. I feel Odom's skills are overwhelmingly better than any of the others on the list as far as inside scoring, he can step out and score, he's the best passer on the list, and he is versatile enough to guard the 3, 4, and occasionally the 2 spot. I debated between Artest and Kirilenko at #2, but I have to put switch AK47 there because of his size. I have AK47 at #2 because of versatility, as he can post up smaller guards and take bigger players off the dribble. I also feel he is among the top 5 defenders in the league, and can completely lock down anyone between the 2 and 4 spots. He rebounds, he shoots fairly well, and he's a very good slasher. He is among the league leaders in blocks and steals, and he can really get out and run the floor and he has the athleticism to finish on the break. I have Artest at #3 because of his ability to defend the 1, 2, 3, and 4, his ability to post up smaller guards, and his rebounding ability. Also, his toughness and desire are without equal.
My list would look like this:
1. Odom
2. Kirilenko
3. Artest
4. Marion
5. Rashard Lewis
The 3 in order
1. Odom
2. Artest
3. AK47
You lose, idiot. :-*
You are such a fuckin idiot once again you prove only Laker fans rate Odom so high no one else. Dude like I said Odom is the tenth best player in his division and if I went through the whole league their would be over 40 players better than Odom. LMAO at even mentioning Odom as top Small foward there are at least 7,8 sf's better probably alot more. FACE IT YOUR BIASED! Jermaine Oneal has comparable stats to Duncan or Garnett but you dont see me saying he's better than them cause Im not BIASED. Your so dumb man Odom is just another player hes nothing speciial!
I am dumb, yet I keep shitting all over your forehead. Fact is, those weren't "Laker fans"...Fact is, Pat Riley and Larry Brown aren't "Laker fans"...You get dumber with every post. LMAO@"Odom is just another player"...How many "other players" can guard the 1 through 4, can beat bigs off the dribble when playing the 4 and beat smalls with a post-up when playing the 1-3? JUST ANOTHER PLAYER? More like just another idiot... 8)
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Kirilenko
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Head-to-head stats:
Lamar Odom:
PPG: 18.0 (45% FG, 45.5% 3FG)
RPG: 10.5
APG: 7.3
BPG: 1.25
SPG: 0.5
Andrei Kirilenko:
PPG: 14.0 (36.6% FG, 37.5% 3FG)
RPG: 7.0
APG: 4.8
BPG: 4.0
SPG: 2.0
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Head-to-head stats:
Lamar Odom:
PPG: 18.0 (45% FG, 45.5% 3FG)
RPG: 10.5
APG: 7.3
BPG: 1.25
SPG: 0.5
Andrei Kirilenko:
PPG: 14.0 (36.6% FG, 37.5% 3FG)
RPG: 7.0
APG: 4.8
BPG: 4.0
SPG: 2.0
Big deal thats just a certain number of games it meens very,very little.
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Head-to-head stats:
Lamar Odom:
PPG: 18.0 (45% FG, 45.5% 3FG)
RPG: 10.5
APG: 7.3
BPG: 1.25
SPG: 0.5
Andrei Kirilenko:
PPG: 14.0 (36.6% FG, 37.5% 3FG)
RPG: 7.0
APG: 4.8
BPG: 4.0
SPG: 2.0
Big deal thats just a certain number of games it meens very,very little.
It doesn't mean little, that's when they played AGAINST EACHOTHER. It means a lot to this discussion, how they do head-to-head. It's also obvious that they are both excellent players, one isn't undisputedly MUCH better than the other, like you ignorantly claim...LOL
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I love AK 47's Defense ;D
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The only thing with Kirilenko is that he's injury prone, yeah he has a big upside but he gets hurt often, if he were an ironman and played 80 games a year I would pick him instead of Odom, but he's not, and I definitely do not think Odom is better than Marion or Artest, he just fits well with the Lakers better than them
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I know for a FACT Isiah Thomas would take Lamar Odom over AK47,
Not ur best argument.
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AK47...it's not even close. AK47 can do it all...block shots, rebound, score, defend, shoot 3's, get steals, pass, etc. He is a complete player.
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AK47...it's not even close. AK47 can do it all...block shots, rebound, score, defend, shoot 3's, get steals, pass, etc. He is a complete player.
So is Lamar Odom...Only Odom is more diverse, because he ranges from a point guard all the way to a power forward. A much better ball-handler and distributor as well as a much better post-up player and rebounder...They're the same type of player, both have all-around game. Odom just has more range, while AK is mostly a defensive-force...PeACe
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AK47...it's not even close. AK47 can do it all...block shots, rebound, score, defend, shoot 3's, get steals, pass, etc. He is a complete player.
So is Lamar Odom...Only Odom is more diverse, because he ranges from a point guard all the way to a power forward. A much better ball-handler and distributor as well as a much better post-up player and rebounder...They're the same type of player, both have all-around game. Odom just has more range, while AK is mostly a defensive-force...PeACe
odom misses open layups and open 3s. what kinda range is that?
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AK47...it's not even close. AK47 can do it all...block shots, rebound, score, defend, shoot 3's, get steals, pass, etc. He is a complete player.
So is Lamar Odom...Only Odom is more diverse, because he ranges from a point guard all the way to a power forward. A much better ball-handler and distributor as well as a much better post-up player and rebounder...They're the same type of player, both have all-around game. Odom just has more range, while AK is mostly a defensive-force...PeACe
odom misses open layups and open 3s. what kinda range is that?
You think Kirilenko hasn't missed open lay-ups and open threes? Either way, Odom shoots a better percentage than Kirilenko from beyond and from inside the arc...You're judging Lamar based on the Game 7 catashtrophe rather than judging him for his breakthrough performance the WHOLE 2nd half of the season...Anyone who says Odom doesn't have excellent range as a player is an idiot.
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For this particular team, Odom is a better fit, due to his ballhandling abilities, rebounding, and passing skills. LO's defense improved in the 2nd half and the playoffs, so I'd stick with Odom. I love Kirilenko's game but he's always injured and you have to take that into account as well.
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If it were a trade situation I'd definatly keep Odom.
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Lamar Odom (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/lamar_odom/head2head.html)
vs.
Andre Kirilenko (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andrei_kirilenko/head2head.html)
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i'd never take ak over odom, odom is a better banger in the paint and a more physical player and he can also run the game like a point . also odom's game is meant to be a second option, ak is a player who's going to want a bigger role, which cannot exist on a kobe team.
odom>AK
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Lamar Odom (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/lamar_odom/head2head.html)
vs.
Andre Kirilenko (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andrei_kirilenko/head2head.html)
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Lol yeah you would post this when AK47 is taking a back seat to a healthy Boozer. Let's see the numbers at the end of the regular season.
And stop blowin me kisses, fag.
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Now its time for NIK to admit the LeBron is better than Kobe right now.....Go ahead and bring up those stats NIK!
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Now its time for NIK to admit the LeBron is better than Kobe right now.....Go ahead and bring up those stats NIK!
NIK will never admit such a thing (especially when it's not true).
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Now its time for NIK to admit the LeBron is better than Kobe right now.....Go ahead and bring up those stats NIK!
NIK will never admit such a thing (especially when it's not true).
well NIK is the one person who always says you cant define a player by his stats, but then here in this topic he just proved Odom was the better player by putting his stats against AK's...So Im asking NIK, to bring up Kobe vs. LeBron stats and see whats up!
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Oh yeah Nik, wanna take a wild guess as to why Kobe only had 2 points in the 4th quarter against Utah?
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Lamar Odom (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/lamar_odom/head2head.html)
vs.
Andre Kirilenko (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andrei_kirilenko/head2head.html)
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Lol yeah you would post this when AK47 is taking a back seat to a healthy Boozer. Let's see the numbers at the end of the regular season.
And stop blowin me kisses, fag.
Who said it's to you, gay retard? Someone must feel insecure...Take Kirilenko's moonchin out of your pussy and realize Lamar>>>AK, it's not even questionable anymore.
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Now its time for NIK to admit the LeBron is better than Kobe right now.....Go ahead and bring up those stats NIK!
LOL@you getting excited. Kobe is coming off knee surgery, Kobe's team is STILL doing better...Andre Kirilenko didn't have any drastic surgeries, it's not even comparable...PeACe
PS...LeBron is great, he needs to improve in some areas still (too nervous, biting his nails around crunch time), but he's been great for the most part. He still has a lot to accomplish and improve before he's on Kobe's status, and anyone who knows anything will agree...PeACe
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Oh yeah Nik, wanna take a wild guess as to why Kobe only had 2 points in the 4th quarter against Utah?
LOL, cuz he's not 100%...You should know that, "Laker fan"...Are you Mormon?
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He still has a lot to accomplish and improve before he's on Kobe's status, and anyone who knows anything will agree...PeACe
wow glad to see your expanding your horizons NIK!
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typical response, I wouldnt expect anything less
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He still has a lot to accomplish and improve before he's on Kobe's status, and anyone who knows anything will agree...PeACe
wow glad to see your expanding your horizons NIK!
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typical response, I wouldnt expect anything less
LMAO. Even LeBron himself knows he has a lot to improve and accomplish...What a nutrider. ::)
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Oh yeah Nik, wanna take a wild guess as to why Kobe only had 2 points in the 4th quarter against Utah?
LOL, cuz he's not 100%...You should know that, "Laker fan"...Are you Mormon?
lol figures you'd find a weak excuse. ak47's defense on kobe was excellent. odom couldn't even dream of playing defense like that
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He still has a lot to accomplish and improve before he's on Kobe's status, and anyone who knows anything will agree...PeACe
wow glad to see your expanding your horizons NIK!
::)
typical response, I wouldnt expect anything less
LMAO. Even LeBron himself knows he has a lot to improve and accomplish...What a nutrider. ::)
lol, coming from the biggest nutrider in the history of laker fans and dubcc
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Oh yeah Nik, wanna take a wild guess as to why Kobe only had 2 points in the 4th quarter against Utah?
LOL, cuz he's not 100%...You should know that, "Laker fan"...Are you Mormon?
lol figures you'd find a weak excuse. ak47's defense on kobe was excellent. odom couldn't even dream of playing defense like that
Andre Kirilenko is a great defender, I'll give him that. But he is way better at defense than he is at anything else. Hell, Alonzo Mourning is still a great defender...Doesn't mean they're seeing a dude as talented in so many areas as Lamar Odom...PeACe
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He still has a lot to accomplish and improve before he's on Kobe's status, and anyone who knows anything will agree...PeACe
wow glad to see your expanding your horizons NIK!
::)
typical response, I wouldnt expect anything less
LMAO. Even LeBron himself knows he has a lot to improve and accomplish...What a nutrider. ::)
lol, coming from the biggest nutrider in the history of laker fans and dubcc
And how am I a nutrider? Cuz I have Kobe in my sig? It's not like I make absurd claims, everything I say has some sort of logic behind it...PeACe
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ak-47, no contest.
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ak-47, no contest.
LMFAO@saying that this season. Last season it was understandable, but do you even watch basketball?
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lol Kiri just came back from injury and boozer is the shit. compare some head2head kobe vs. lebron and see what's up.
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lol Kiri just came back from injury and boozer is the shit. compare some head2head kobe vs. lebron and see what's up.
Kobe just came back from KNEE SUREGERY and his team is doing better...Kirilenko and Boozer play 2 different positions. ::)
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O RLY? well kiri's team is doing better.
you can't have it both ways.
you take different arguments in order to promote laker players.
when it's about kobe and lebron, it's about fuck stats, see which team is doing better, kobe just had knee surgery, see who's there in clutch moments, lebron still has to learn etc.
when it's about odom and kirilenko, it's about look at those stats, it's obvious that odom must be better, regardless of whatever injury kirilenko had and shit.
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exactly....you cant have it both ways NIK....if you wana compare stats, put up Kobes numbers compared to LBJ's.....LeBron is by far playing better than Kobe right now.
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Oh yeah Nik, wanna take a wild guess as to why Kobe only had 2 points in the 4th quarter against Utah?
LOL, cuz he's not 100%...You should know that, "Laker fan"...Are you Mormon?
lol figures you'd find a weak excuse. ak47's defense on kobe was excellent. odom couldn't even dream of playing defense like that
Do you even know what's going on when you watch games? How many Blocks did Kirlenko had when he was guarding kobe? 0...kobe did a good job keeping him @ the 3 point line (keeping him away from the paint)....Kwame and Lamar dominated inside...it was 107-107 w/ 1 minute left..Lakers lost the Game b/c....1)Smush & Lamar did a poor job defending that screen play....2) Lamar missed a Lay-up w/ 45 seconds left :'( ......
Kobe is coming off knee surgery
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the Lakers play the Jazz in like 20 mins....how ironic
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O RLY? well kiri's team is doing better.
you can't have it both ways.
you take different arguments in order to promote laker players.
when it's about kobe and lebron, it's about fuck stats, see which team is doing better, kobe just had knee surgery, see who's there in clutch moments, lebron still has to learn etc.
when it's about odom and kirilenko, it's about look at those stats, it's obvious that odom must be better, regardless of whatever injury kirilenko had and shit.
Okay dude...How 'bout this? It's my EXTREMELY VALID opinion that Kobe is better than LeBron. It's also my EXTREMELY VALID opinion that Odom is better than AK47...Have anything else to say? ::)
P.S. Just watch the Lakers/Jazz game taking place right now for further proof.
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exactly....you cant have it both ways NIK....if you wana compare stats, put up Kobes numbers compared to LBJ's.....LeBron is by far playing better than Kobe right now.
Dude, do you get anything I'm saying? Of course Kobe is playing worse than his usual self, he's been self-admittedly not 100%. It still doesn't change that Kobe is the better player overall when 100%...PeACe
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No I havent nothing else to say, unlike you Im not trying to push my beliefs on others by any means necessary ;D
Good timing with that Lakers-Jazz game. Lucky motherfucker. 8)
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No I havent nothing else to say, unlike you Im not trying to push my beliefs on others by any means necessary ;D
Good timing with that Lakers-Jazz game. Lucky motherfucker. 8)
Why do you think I brought this topic up today? Luck has nothing to do with it. 8)
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Lol at this whole thread saying Kirilenko is better than Lamar WTF... Andrei is only a better blocker than Lamar.. Lamar can play every postion in the B-Ball game and look at what level he's playing this year.. nuff said ...
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I gota admit, there was one point in the game lastnight (1st quarter) when Lamar grabbed and offensive rebound and jammed it back right on AK's head....I was thinking to myself "Damn I bet NIK is loving this shit" at that point LOL, but for reals, someone should try to upload the video of that
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the Lakers play the Jazz in like 20 mins....how ironic
How is this ironic?
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the Lakers play the Jazz in like 20 mins....how ironic
How is this ironic?
how is it not?
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Lamar Odom
2006-07 Statistics
PPG 19.3
RPG 8.5
APG 4.9
SPG .75
BPG .88
FG% .486
FT% .763
3P% .375
MPG 39.7
Andrei Kirilenko
2006-07 Statistics
PPG 8.5
RPG 5.6
APG 3.6
SPG 1.00
BPG 2.69
FG% .422
FT% .714
3P% .227
MPG 31.1
Odom's Better....Now Shut The Fuck Up
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Why hasn't this been moved yet? Overseer, I know you like to lag it, but can we PLEASE get some mods in these sections (Sports, Entertainment)??
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Now we can see who's the better player. 8)
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^^ no offence but it dosent matter what the debate is you think the lakers have the best player at every posisition in the league. you claim odom, kobe and gasol are all the best at there respective posisitions in the league. The fact is odom and AK are both great talents and both do great things, it dosent matter who is better and who does what. its about team success thats what matters, its about making the extra pass before an assist, its about good rotations its about taking shots within the offence, its not about per game stats, both players have similar skill sets but odom is better on the offensive end and AK is better on the defensive end PERIOD.
To say who is the better player? it would depend on there teamates and there system. If you have four scorers on a team id take AK hands down and vice versa if a i had 4 defenders on my team id take odom.
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If odom, gasol and kobe really are as good as some niggas here make em out to be, then the lakers are quite pathetic for not sweeping utah
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If odom, gasol and kobe really are as good as some niggas here make em out to be, then the lakers are quite pathetic for not sweeping utah
37-4, dickhead...37-4. Nothing pathetic about that.
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^^ no offence but it dosent matter what the debate is you think the lakers have the best player at every posisition in the league. you claim odom, kobe and gasol are all the best at there respective posisitions in the league. The fact is odom and AK are both great talents and both do great things, it dosent matter who is better and who does what. its about team success thats what matters, its about making the extra pass before an assist, its about good rotations its about taking shots within the offence, its not about per game stats, both players have similar skill sets but odom is better on the offensive end and AK is better on the defensive end PERIOD.
To say who is the better player? it would depend on there teamates and there system. If you have four scorers on a team id take AK hands down and vice versa if a i had 4 defenders on my team id take odom.
I don't think the Lakers have the best player at every position...do you see me saying that Derek Fisher is better than Deron Williams? Do you see me saying Radmanovic is better than Okur? The fact of the matter is, Odom is currently way more valuable than Kirilenko and when this thread was first made most people didn't really see it...Now that Odom is bitching AK47 in every aspect, people can finally see what's up.
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^^ thats the response i was expecting. cant see the wood for the trees.
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So you don't think Odom is better overall than Kirilenko? LOL.
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It has nothing to do with Odom elavating his game or with Odom being better from the beginning. AK just fell the fuck off.
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^The Jazz simply sucked when this thread was made, and AK was their main option on offense. He didn't fall off, he has the same game he always did...If you knew basketball, you woulda' been able to see which player was better by watching them play...PeACe
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well im kinda stuck because there both my favourite players lol. odom has always been my favourite player, i love versitility on the basketball court. theres never in the history of the league been a 6'10 guy able to handle and pass the ball like odom (argubley kuckoc). odom is so so good theres no denying that and its only coming to the forefront now, well to viewers whove been asleep for 8 years that is!!!! his always been a good player in my eyes. but i think kirilenko is a real dope player too, especially if he was put in a good situation like odom is currentley. i think AK is at his best when his involved offensivley and is getting touches, i mean theres no denying what his capable of especially 2-3 seasons ago. i think a change of sceneray would do him the world of good, especially an uptempo offence where he can use his "involved with everyhting" type of game. when his on his A+ game and getting 10 points 7 boards 5 assists 5 blocks 5 steals youve got to love that.
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Odom has been shining and Woodstock has been declining...
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has anyone else noticed that AK looks alot like this dudes anorexic lil brother?
(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9793/rocky06of9.jpg)(http://www.kirilenko.ru/photo/2/74_big.jpg)
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Kirilenko is good but i'll take LO any day
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has anyone else noticed that AK looks alot like this dudes anorexic lil brother?
(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9793/rocky06of9.jpg)(http://www.kirilenko.ru/photo/2/74_big.jpg)
LOL
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Another series, another point proven. 8)
Andrei Kirilenko:
12.6 PPG (29/60 FG)
Lamar Odom:
18.2 PPG (37/63 FG)
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This nigga is hysterical. Yeah lets up a 2 year old thread and apply that to their recent performances.
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yesterday, today, september 11th, 2 years ago. IT DOESN"T MATTER
LO >>>>>anorexic Drago
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^Yes...Only an idiot wouldn't be able to realize is that the only difference between Kirilenko then and now is that he plays a different role for the team. He's been the same player and so has Odom.