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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: swangin and bangin on July 02, 2006, 09:19:14 AM
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Why do you think that?
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Ali was more marketable so they'd have him win.
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i like tyson more but im going to go with ali.
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id go with tyson!!!!
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Ali for the simple fact that he was too quick. Tyson wouldn't be able to get him with the knockout punch so Ali would eventually wear him down by the middle of the fight.
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Tyson in his prime was UNBEATABLE, by anyone
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I'd go with Tyson for the fact that he was just a fuckin' ANIMAL in his prime
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Mike Tyson wouldn't be able to carry Muhammad Ali's gloves to the ring.
Tyson was a hell of a fighter, but Ali was without a doubt the greatest man to ever step into the ring. Tyson is perhaps comparable to Joe Frazier, who Muhammad Ali beat twice and George Forman almost killed. Muhammad Ali famously beat Foreman himself.
I don't even see it as arguable, Muhammad Ali was greater than Mike Tyson in every single way, in the ring, and out of the ring. You're comparing a god to an animal.
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You're comparing a god to an animal.
Only part I'd agree with
Muhammed Ali = Boxing
But Tyson in his prime would defeat Ali in his prime
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Tyson in his prime > any boxer in his prime...even Ali
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Ali cus he was a boxer as where Tyson was just a slugger. Just get passed the sixth round and Tyson will be tired as hell.
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Ali would dance around him and Tyson would get hella tired. Ali definetly
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Ali cus he was a boxer as where Tyson was just a slugger. Just get passed the sixth round and Tyson will be tired as hell.
it would be a little hard to get into the sixth round with tyson. ;D just a little hard.
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Ali was a very heavy hitter, nobody gives him respect for that. He knocked George Forman the fuck out.
Ali was much faster than Mike Tyson even when Mike was in his prime. Ali had a habit of dodging blows, even if Tyson hit him he likely would be headed in the other direction.
Ali survived what, 8 rounds of George Forman wailing on him. That is much more intense than anything Mike Tyson would be able to throw at Ali.
Ali had a weight and a height and a reach, and a speed advantage of Tyson.
Ali boxed and protected himself more intelligently than Tyson did.
Ali fought harder opponents than Tyson ever did.
Ali accomplished more in an archaeic (by today's standards) boxing world. Imagine what he would do with the advances in training, health, etc. that are around today.
Ali was the master of psychological warfare in the ring.
There is absolutely, without a doubt, not 1 edge I would give to Tyson in a fight against Ali... Ali would have him outclassed in every considerable variable, therefore it's not even worth discussing.
All of you tripping about how great Tyson was, that's because when you were little children he's who you saw on television. His BIG BAD BOOTY DADDY though was Muhammad Ali, who fought long before yall were born. Just because you're ignorant of him, don't assume he couldn't have been better than the great Mike Tyson, Ali was simply incredible.
It's like these kids saying Kobe over Jordan. Please.
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People Muhammad Ali beat the shit out of who held titles:
Floyd Patterson,Sonny Liston,Joe Frazier,George Formeman,Norton,Ellis,Spinks
George Foreman was like 40 and 0 with 37 knockouts when Muhammad Ali HANDED HIM HIS ASS. Foreman was undefeated and had knocked Joe Frazier down 5 times in 2 rounds. George Foreman had turds bigger than Iron Mike.
Mike Tyson fought a bunch of losers and lost to a bunch of losers too. Even Evander Hollyfield knocked him out. Think about this. It's not even close.
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It's not even close.
Only part I'd agree with
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People Muhammad Ali beat the shit out of who held titles:
Floyd Patterson,Sonny Liston,Joe Frazier,George Formeman,Norton,Ellis,Spinks
George Foreman was like 40 and 0 with 37 knockouts when Muhammad Ali HANDED HIM HIS ASS. Foreman was undefeated and had knocked Joe Frazier down 5 times in 2 rounds. George Foreman had turds bigger than Iron Mike.
Mike Tyson fought a bunch of losers and lost to a bunch of losers too. Even Evander Hollyfield knocked him out. Think about this. It's not even close.
sony liston's bitch ass tryed to blind ali with some shit on his gloves, ali still beat his ass.
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OH, and MIGHT I ADD, Mike Tyson was boxing in the 80's and 90's... the boxing competition was so fucking weak that George Foreman (who Ali destroyed) CAME OUT OF RETIREMENT at like 50 years old and beat the heavyweight champ of the world. Foreman did it as a GRANDPA. Foreman was so fucking mean as a GRANDPA that I saw a match where he walked into the ring and knocked a motherfucker out with two punches. He didn't even stop walking, just walked right to the guy, hit him in the face, then pounded his ass to the mat with his right hand. Ding Ding Ding, ring the bell. George Foreman was one of the most vicious boxers to ever live and Muhammad Ali destroyed his entire CAREER in 8 rounds. In the 90's Foreman was still running shit out of retirement as a grandpa. That's the world Tyson is the king of. Ali was fighting amongst legends, and he was the greatest legend of all of them.
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Stats:
Ali
Height 6'3
Reach 83"
Record 56-5 (lost to Frazier in 71, won 2 rematches, Lost to Ken Norton in 73, Won 2 rematches, Lost to Leon Sphinx in 78, won the rematch, lost to Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick in the early 80's, way past his prime and inflicted with Parkinson's Disease).
Weight - 215-230 (prime, 217 or so)
Tyson
Height 5'10
Reach 71"
Record 50-6 (lost to Buster Douglas in 90, never got a rematch, lost to Holyfield in 96 AND 97, never won a rematch, Lost to lewis in 02, lost to Danny Williams and Kevin McBride in late 90's over the hill)
Weight - 217-240 (prime, 217)
So, as you can see, Ali is 5 inches taller. Ali has a full foot reach on Tyson. Ali rematched and reclaimed his losses in his prime. Ali successfully regained his belt upon returning from retirement... I mean, come on.
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Ali easily
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i say Tyson in his prime cuzz he was just too deadly with that punch.
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ali ! (what trauma said)
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Ali and it's not close at all.
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i think it depends on who would get the upper hand in the first minute of the fight. i think if tyson landed 2 or 3 of those knock out punches, it's over it's tysons fight, but if ali found a way to avoid getting hit (like he did with frazier and foreman in those 4 fights) of corse i see ali taking the score cards or getting a knock out
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Okay, I get it when people doubt me when I say World Soccer is fixed, but boxing has been fixed since the turn of the century. It's the worst kept secret in sports.
If Roberto Duran walking out of the ring in forfeit during the second Sugar Ray fight didn't make believers out of all of you then nothing will I guess.
Can you guys actually watch Ali "knock out" Liston and think that was a legit KO?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_dHRLn5rM&search=Sonny%20Liston
I've seen harder punches in Rocky 2. Ali is throwing a right jab standing on his left foot and it's 1 minute into the first round and Liston is known for being able to take heavy shots. Anyone that thinks that was legit is an idiot, or Trauma. I'm not even trying to hate on Ali. Every great champion in history had the machine behind them. Except maybe Black Jack Johnson. There was no economic reason to make him champion for that long. If Ali really KOed Listoin there than Hulk Hogan really beat up Andre the Giant.
Watch the whole thing and how fast Liston gets up when he dcides to and how fine he is after he does and how much he doesn't argue with the ref after the ref stops the fight after he restarts it. Also watch how the ref doesn't even look at Liston when Liston is standing. The whole time he is looking at someone in the corner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWynvBLJ4I&search=Sonny%20Liston
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looks like a dive to me but ali was still the best.
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I reckon Tyson would get Ali, kinda like Ali & Frazier.
Ali was hella annoying too!
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looks like a dive to me but ali was still the best.
I don't think we can ever really know who the best was. If that fight was fixed then any of the big fights by any top name fighter could be fixed. Now if you're asking who the best fighter for the sport was then Ali is certainly up there, along side Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey, and Mike Tyson. De La Hoya gets mentioned too.
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I reckon Tyson would get Ali, kinda like Ali & Frazier.
Ali was hella annoying too!
personally i liked both boxers, but really ali in his prime would beat tyson. And tyson was a beast.
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Ali is a legend but this nigga right we're would have taken him out, no doubt.
http://www.youtube.com/v/50hIk46kMNM
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Just watching that video brings back how amazing Tyson really was. Look how sharp and quick that guy was. And he was still powerful even with that quickness. He was like a pitbull locked up all his life and they just let him loose.
Ali still would of taken him though.
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Remember that some footage was put into slow motion just so you can see Ali's fist. You can't hit what your eyes can't see, and the way Cassius Clay moves, The Dynamite Kid Mike Tyson would find the only person faster than him. To say the least, it would be a great fight. But I see Clay taking it past the 6th, and then dystroying Mike.
The most fair fight would be old Ali, the one that beat George in the Rumble in the Jungle, that Ali vs. Mike Tyson that beat Michael Spinks. 'Cause Clay vs. The Dynamite Kid is all Clay... all Clay.
http://www.youtube.com/v/dBH4IkIMPeY
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I reckon Tyson would get Ali, kinda like Ali & Frazier.
Ali was hella annoying too!
Ali beat Joe Frazier 2-1. So, if it was "kinda like Ali & Frazier", Ali would win.
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Everybody's ridiing Tyson's dick for hitting hard but ignoring that George Foreman was the SHIT and hit harder. Ali knocked big George flat on his ass.
You wanna talk about somebody hitting hard, look at this shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvirljx6ob4&search=george%20foreman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msdmekz_iq4&search=george%20foreman
Now *THATS* a fucking champion. Foreman would have killed Tyson, Ali killed Foreman. Everything is as it should be.
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It's like these kids saying Kobe over Jordan. Please.
Kobe is just now entering his prime...HORRIBLE analogy.
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Okay, I get it when people doubt me when I say World Soccer is fixed, but boxing has been fixed since the turn of the century. It's the worst kept secret in sports.
If Roberto Duran walking out of the ring in forfeit during the second Sugar Ray fight didn't make believers out of all of you then nothing will I guess.
Can you guys actually watch Ali "knock out" Liston and think that was a legit KO?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_dHRLn5rM&search=Sonny%20Liston
I've seen harder punches in Rocky 2. Ali is throwing a right jab standing on his left foot and it's 1 minute into the first round and Liston is known for being able to take heavy shots. Anyone that thinks that was legit is an idiot, or Trauma. I'm not even trying to hate on Ali. Every great champion in history had the machine behind them. Except maybe Black Jack Johnson. There was no economic reason to make him champion for that long. If Ali really KOed Listoin there than Hulk Hogan really beat up Andre the Giant.
Watch the whole thing and how fast Liston gets up when he dcides to and how fine he is after he does and how much he doesn't argue with the ref after the ref stops the fight after he restarts it. Also watch how the ref doesn't even look at Liston when Liston is standing. The whole time he is looking at someone in the corner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWynvBLJ4I&search=Sonny%20Liston
Wasn't that fight known as a mob set-up?
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It's like these kids saying Kobe over Jordan. Please.
Kobe is just now entering his prime...HORRIBLE analogy.
Suck a dick. Jordan GOAT Period
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It's like these kids saying Kobe over Jordan. Please.
Kobe is just now entering his prime...HORRIBLE analogy.
Suck a dick. Jordan GOAT Period
Oh, wow...You got me there. :-*
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Okay, I get it when people doubt me when I say World Soccer is fixed, but boxing has been fixed since the turn of the century. It's the worst kept secret in sports.
If Roberto Duran walking out of the ring in forfeit during the second Sugar Ray fight didn't make believers out of all of you then nothing will I guess.
Can you guys actually watch Ali "knock out" Liston and think that was a legit KO?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_dHRLn5rM&search=Sonny%20Liston
I've seen harder punches in Rocky 2. Ali is throwing a right jab standing on his left foot and it's 1 minute into the first round and Liston is known for being able to take heavy shots. Anyone that thinks that was legit is an idiot, or Trauma. I'm not even trying to hate on Ali. Every great champion in history had the machine behind them. Except maybe Black Jack Johnson. There was no economic reason to make him champion for that long. If Ali really KOed Listoin there than Hulk Hogan really beat up Andre the Giant.
Watch the whole thing and how fast Liston gets up when he dcides to and how fine he is after he does and how much he doesn't argue with the ref after the ref stops the fight after he restarts it. Also watch how the ref doesn't even look at Liston when Liston is standing. The whole time he is looking at someone in the corner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWynvBLJ4I&search=Sonny%20Liston
Wasn't that fight known as a mob set-up?
Ali/Listen was not a mob set up. They slow motioned it, and it was an extremely fast punch that hit right on the temple,which in 10 out of 10 cases, would knock someone out. It might have been a lucky punch, but it wasn't a fixed punch. Tyson knocking out Bruce Seldon with air, that was a set up punch. Ali knocking out Listen might have been a lucky punch, but not a fixed punch.
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Okay, I get it when people doubt me when I say World Soccer is fixed, but boxing has been fixed since the turn of the century. It's the worst kept secret in sports.
If Roberto Duran walking out of the ring in forfeit during the second Sugar Ray fight didn't make believers out of all of you then nothing will I guess.
Can you guys actually watch Ali "knock out" Liston and think that was a legit KO?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_dHRLn5rM&search=Sonny%20Liston
I've seen harder punches in Rocky 2. Ali is throwing a right jab standing on his left foot and it's 1 minute into the first round and Liston is known for being able to take heavy shots. Anyone that thinks that was legit is an idiot, or Trauma. I'm not even trying to hate on Ali. Every great champion in history had the machine behind them. Except maybe Black Jack Johnson. There was no economic reason to make him champion for that long. If Ali really KOed Listoin there than Hulk Hogan really beat up Andre the Giant.
Watch the whole thing and how fast Liston gets up when he dcides to and how fine he is after he does and how much he doesn't argue with the ref after the ref stops the fight after he restarts it. Also watch how the ref doesn't even look at Liston when Liston is standing. The whole time he is looking at someone in the corner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWynvBLJ4I&search=Sonny%20Liston
Wasn't that fight known as a mob set-up?
Ali/Listen was not a mob set up. They slow motioned it, and it was an extremely fast punch that hit right on the temple,which in 10 out of 10 cases, would knock someone out. It might have been a lucky punch, but it wasn't a fixed punch. Tyson knocking out Bruce Seldon with air, that was a set up punch. Ali knocking out Listen might have been a lucky punch, but not a fixed punch.
I dunno...The way he got up and the way the fight ended just didn't look right...Who knows though...
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Okay, I get it when people doubt me when I say World Soccer is fixed, but boxing has been fixed since the turn of the century. It's the worst kept secret in sports.
If Roberto Duran walking out of the ring in forfeit during the second Sugar Ray fight didn't make believers out of all of you then nothing will I guess.
Can you guys actually watch Ali "knock out" Liston and think that was a legit KO?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_dHRLn5rM&search=Sonny%20Liston
I've seen harder punches in Rocky 2. Ali is throwing a right jab standing on his left foot and it's 1 minute into the first round and Liston is known for being able to take heavy shots. Anyone that thinks that was legit is an idiot, or Trauma. I'm not even trying to hate on Ali. Every great champion in history had the machine behind them. Except maybe Black Jack Johnson. There was no economic reason to make him champion for that long. If Ali really KOed Listoin there than Hulk Hogan really beat up Andre the Giant.
Watch the whole thing and how fast Liston gets up when he dcides to and how fine he is after he does and how much he doesn't argue with the ref after the ref stops the fight after he restarts it. Also watch how the ref doesn't even look at Liston when Liston is standing. The whole time he is looking at someone in the corner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWynvBLJ4I&search=Sonny%20Liston
Wasn't that fight known as a mob set-up?
Ali/Listen was not a mob set up. They slow motioned it, and it was an extremely fast punch that hit right on the temple,which in 10 out of 10 cases, would knock someone out. It might have been a lucky punch, but it wasn't a fixed punch. Tyson knocking out Bruce Seldon with air, that was a set up punch. Ali knocking out Listen might have been a lucky punch, but not a fixed punch.
No one is saying only Ali had fixed fights. It's not like this is new about the Liston fight. Just about every boxing writer of the day called it bullshit and so did George Chuvallo who was sitting behind Ali when the punch happened. They don't call it the phanton punch because it was so fast. They call it the phantom punch because it wasn't there. Liston isn't even hurt afterwards and it was a right jab while planted on the left foot. Walk into any amateur boxing club in your area and ask them how hard a right jab off the left foot can be. I'm not dogging on Ali. I'm dogging pro boxing in general.
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Okay, I get it when people doubt me when I say World Soccer is fixed, but boxing has been fixed since the turn of the century. It's the worst kept secret in sports.
If Roberto Duran walking out of the ring in forfeit during the second Sugar Ray fight didn't make believers out of all of you then nothing will I guess.
Can you guys actually watch Ali "knock out" Liston and think that was a legit KO?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_dHRLn5rM&search=Sonny%20Liston
I've seen harder punches in Rocky 2. Ali is throwing a right jab standing on his left foot and it's 1 minute into the first round and Liston is known for being able to take heavy shots. Anyone that thinks that was legit is an idiot, or Trauma. I'm not even trying to hate on Ali. Every great champion in history had the machine behind them. Except maybe Black Jack Johnson. There was no economic reason to make him champion for that long. If Ali really KOed Listoin there than Hulk Hogan really beat up Andre the Giant.
Watch the whole thing and how fast Liston gets up when he dcides to and how fine he is after he does and how much he doesn't argue with the ref after the ref stops the fight after he restarts it. Also watch how the ref doesn't even look at Liston when Liston is standing. The whole time he is looking at someone in the corner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWynvBLJ4I&search=Sonny%20Liston
Wasn't that fight known as a mob set-up?
Ali/Listen was not a mob set up. They slow motioned it, and it was an extremely fast punch that hit right on the temple,which in 10 out of 10 cases, would knock someone out. It might have been a lucky punch, but it wasn't a fixed punch. Tyson knocking out Bruce Seldon with air, that was a set up punch. Ali knocking out Listen might have been a lucky punch, but not a fixed punch.
No one is saying only Ali had fixed fights. It's not like this is new about the Liston fight. Just about every boxing writer of the day called it bullshit and so did George Chuvallo who was sitting behind Ali when the punch happened. They don't call it the phanton punch because it was so fast. They call it the phantom punch because it wasn't there. Liston isn't even hurt afterwards and it was a right jab while planted on the left foot. Walk into any amateur boxing club in your area and ask them how hard a right jab off the left foot can be. I'm not dogging on Ali. I'm dogging pro boxing in general.
Dude, for every fixed fight, there's probably thousands of real ones...It's just how the world is, not just boxing...PeACe.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/6x_UqOQ2ICM
check the 5 minute mark when they slow motioned it
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Okay, I get it when people doubt me when I say World Soccer is fixed, but boxing has been fixed since the turn of the century. It's the worst kept secret in sports.
If Roberto Duran walking out of the ring in forfeit during the second Sugar Ray fight didn't make believers out of all of you then nothing will I guess.
Can you guys actually watch Ali "knock out" Liston and think that was a legit KO?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_dHRLn5rM&search=Sonny%20Liston
I've seen harder punches in Rocky 2. Ali is throwing a right jab standing on his left foot and it's 1 minute into the first round and Liston is known for being able to take heavy shots. Anyone that thinks that was legit is an idiot, or Trauma. I'm not even trying to hate on Ali. Every great champion in history had the machine behind them. Except maybe Black Jack Johnson. There was no economic reason to make him champion for that long. If Ali really KOed Listoin there than Hulk Hogan really beat up Andre the Giant.
Watch the whole thing and how fast Liston gets up when he dcides to and how fine he is after he does and how much he doesn't argue with the ref after the ref stops the fight after he restarts it. Also watch how the ref doesn't even look at Liston when Liston is standing. The whole time he is looking at someone in the corner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWynvBLJ4I&search=Sonny%20Liston
Wasn't that fight known as a mob set-up?
Ali/Listen was not a mob set up. They slow motioned it, and it was an extremely fast punch that hit right on the temple,which in 10 out of 10 cases, would knock someone out. It might have been a lucky punch, but it wasn't a fixed punch. Tyson knocking out Bruce Seldon with air, that was a set up punch. Ali knocking out Listen might have been a lucky punch, but not a fixed punch.
No one is saying only Ali had fixed fights. It's not like this is new about the Liston fight. Just about every boxing writer of the day called it bullshit and so did George Chuvallo who was sitting behind Ali when the punch happened. They don't call it the phanton punch because it was so fast. They call it the phantom punch because it wasn't there. Liston isn't even hurt afterwards and it was a right jab while planted on the left foot. Walk into any amateur boxing club in your area and ask them how hard a right jab off the left foot can be. I'm not dogging on Ali. I'm dogging pro boxing in general.
Dude, for every fixed fight, there's probably thousands of real ones...It's just how the world is, not just boxing...PeACe.
I realize that and never meant to imply otherwise.
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Ali/Liston real time. The time keeper was the one that counted out Liston and he told the ref. Liston was defeated, but the ref, who was not a real ref but rather a special ref who was a former champ, was not doing his job.
http://www.youtube.com/v/uzWynvBLJ4I
slow motion punch
http://www.youtube.com/v/5T_dHRLn5rM
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I already posted links to both videos. Neither explain a how falling right jab off the left foot could knock out a man who is known for taking pinches. The same man who got up like a boly of lightning at 10 and walked out of the ring with no complaints or injuries. It was fixed, plain and simple.
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I already posted links to both videos. Neither explain a how falling right jab off the left foot could knock out a man who is known for taking pinches. The same man who got up like a boly of lightning at 10 and walked out of the ring with no complaints or injuries. It was fixed, plain and simple.
so who do you think is better, Ali or Tyson then. And did you see my post of Tyson knocking out Seldon. check the 5 minute
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I already posted links to both videos. Neither explain a how falling right jab off the left foot could knock out a man who is known for taking pinches. The same man who got up like a boly of lightning at 10 and walked out of the ring with no complaints or injuries. It was fixed, plain and simple.
so who do you think is better, Ali or Tyson then. And did you see my post of Tyson knocking out Seldon. check the 5 minute
Here's what I said above when Dosia said Ali was still the best.
looks like a dive to me but ali was still the best.
I don't think we can ever really know who the best was. If that fight was fixed then any of the big fights by any top name fighter could be fixed. Now if you're asking who the best fighter for the sport was then Ali is certainly up there, along side Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey, and Mike Tyson. De La Hoya gets mentioned too.
I honestly don't know who would win or who was better because I don't know which top fights were liegt and which weren't and don't know how Tyson would fare against against the guys of Ali's time. Tyson came up in a weak Heavyweight era and had many fights pucked to make him look good but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have done well in the 60s and 70s. Ali was big money and many of his big wins are surrounded with contraversey if you really take the time to read up about the fights but that doesn't mean he would have lost the fights that may have been fixed for him to win. I can tell you who I'd rather have right now in their prime if I were a promoter; Ali because he would draw more money.
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^ but isnt ali a hella devoted muslim? and in the muslim religion they cant keep any secerets that decieve other people or something like that. so i dont think he was in a fight that was set up.
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Tyson would take Ali for the simple fact that Ali was a boxer, but Tyson would do whatever it took to get the job done
if i had the choice, I would rather be in the ring against Ali that Tyson
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i would rather be in the ring with tyson, because ali was fast so if i took off running ali would catch up but tyson wouldnt.
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^ but isnt ali a hella devoted muslim? and in the muslim religion they cant keep any secerets that decieve other people or something like that. so i dont think he was in a fight that was set up.
He may not have been in on it and probably wasn't. He didn't take any dives. But keep in mind that this was a time in his Muslim life where he thought Elijah Muhammad was the prophet and that Fard Muhammad was Allah, so Ali's understanding of Islam wasn't quite what it is today. He would pray before the fight started facing Meccah but had no idea that those he called his muslim leaders wouldn't be allowed to step foot in Meccah with being called blasphemers and probably get killed well before they got there.
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i would rather be in the ring with tyson, because ali was fast so if i took off running ali would catch up but tyson wouldnt.
I'd rather be in with Ali. I'd lost no matter what but no once can deny Tyson had a stroner punch and his combos were quick as hell. Ali would play around with me at first so I could just take a dive off the first few throws. With Tyson he may catchme with a combo right off the bat and I won't be able to take a dive.
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add to the fact that Tyson would probably kill you for looking at him the wrong way
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Yea, Ali was a boxer, Tyson was a crazy dude from the streets who fought and simply destroyed shit in his path...2 different type of fighters, I honestly think Ali would win based on fundamentals alone...PeACe
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so my final say is, ali would win because of his reach and quickness. this is what would happen.
ali would dance around and if tyson tryed to cut off the ring then ali would put his fist up and throw a jab to hold him back like he did to liston, by the 6th or 7th round tyson would be tired as fuck and ali would come in and do his thing and KO. even though tyson is a crazy ass foster child ali is a better athlete.
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Everybody ignoring George Foreman? Help me understand it, not one person has commented on it. You say Tyson because he was so bad, Foreman was badder and Ali knocked him out.
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Everybody ignoring George Foreman? Help me understand it, not one person has commented on it. You say Tyson because he was so bad, Foreman was badder and Ali knocked him out.
Too much contraversey around the fight. Be it the supposed voodoo curse on Foreman, the uncharacteristic sluggish weak punches by him in the early part of the fight, the fact that Foreman immediately after said he wanted a rematch then said in '84 that he felt something wasn't right that night with his corner only to later say in the late 90s that he never asked for a rematch (Sports Illustrated has the quote) and that even today with his parkinsons Ali would be too tough to beat, or the account by Norman Mailer that Ali's corner loosed the ropes so the rope a dope would be more effective, an account that is disputed by odd claims that Dundee actually tightened the ropes with a knife; it's just too much of a weird fight for me to look at as legit. Why wouldn't the boxing commission push for a rematch? There was plenty of money to be made.
Even with out all that contraversey and if it were legit, no one has ever said it was Ali's punching power that KOed Foreman. They all give claim to the rope a dope that tired out Foreman causing him to fall in exhaustion, and the purpose of your post was to highlight Ali's big punch. Let's say the rope a dope was a real and no shady business was present, Cus and Whitey would see through that juvenile rope a dope by round 2 and restrategize Tyson to sit and wait for Ali to come to him. It could never hve been the same fight. Tyson is like Frazier while Foreman beat Frazier and Ali beat Foreman, Frazier had also beaten Ali and of the three fights the one that Frazier had won was hte only clear cut victory. The second was a close 12 round decision that could have went either way (since Ali played a stick and back off match the whole way) and the Thrilla in Manilla was a throw in the towel by his corner when it was apparent Ali wasn't able to return for the final round. If they hadn't thrown in the towel many analysts and men in Ali's corner question whether Ali could have even started the last round.
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Styles make Fight's...
A Fighter will never look the same twice against all opponent's.
It's a toss up...
"Prime" Clay, the Boxer (True)
Vs.
"Prime" Tyson the Slugger (True)
Gimme Clay in 8
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"Post Prison"
Ali (Rope-a-Dope, Plodding, Toe 2 Toe, Slugger)
Vs.
Tyson (Post Rape Trial, First release, 2Pac Entrance)
Gimme Tyson in 3
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The 2 biggest single attraction's in Boxing (of their generation)
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Everybody ignoring George Foreman? Help me understand it, not one person has commented on it. You say Tyson because he was so bad, Foreman was badder and Ali knocked him out.
Too much contraversey around the fight. Be it the supposed voodoo curse on Foreman, the uncharacteristic sluggish weak punches by him in the early part of the fight, the fact that Foreman immediately after said he wanted a rematch then said in '84 that he felt something wasn't right that night with his corner only to later say in the late 90s that he never asked for a rematch (Sports Illustrated has the quote) and that even today with his parkinsons Ali would be too tough to beat, or the account by Norman Mailer that Ali's corner loosed the ropes so the rope a dope would be more effective, an account that is disputed by odd claims that Dundee actually tightened the ropes with a knife; it's just too much of a weird fight for me to look at as legit. Why wouldn't the boxing commission push for a rematch? There was plenty of money to be made.
Even with out all that contraversey and if it were legit, no one has ever said it was Ali's punching power that KOed Foreman. They all give claim to the rope a dope that tired out Foreman causing him to fall in exhaustion, and the purpose of your post was to highlight Ali's big punch. Let's say the rope a dope was a real and no shady business was present, Cus and Whitey would see through that juvenile rope a dope by round 2 and restrategize Tyson to sit and wait for Ali to come to him. It could never hve been the same fight. Tyson is like Frazier while Foreman beat Frazier and Ali beat Foreman, Frazier had also beaten Ali and of the three fights the one that Frazier had won was hte only clear cut victory. The second was a close 12 round decision that could have went either way (since Ali played a stick and back off match the whole way) and the Thrilla in Manilla was a throw in the towel by his corner when it was apparent Ali wasn't able to return for the final round. If they hadn't thrown in the towel many analysts and men in Ali's corner question whether Ali could have even started the last round.
As I said. Tyson would need to fight older, rope a dope Ali to stand a chance. There is no way in hell Iron Mike Tyson, The Dynamite Kid Mike Tyson, 2Pac Entrance Mike Tyson, or any other Tyson you want, can beat Cassius Clay. Clay would wipe the floor with the under trained pit bull.
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Everybody ignoring George Foreman? Help me understand it, not one person has commented on it. You say Tyson because he was so bad, Foreman was badder and Ali knocked him out.
Too much contraversey around the fight. Be it the supposed voodoo curse on Foreman, the uncharacteristic sluggish weak punches by him in the early part of the fight, the fact that Foreman immediately after said he wanted a rematch then said in '84 that he felt something wasn't right that night with his corner only to later say in the late 90s that he never asked for a rematch (Sports Illustrated has the quote) and that even today with his parkinsons Ali would be too tough to beat, or the account by Norman Mailer that Ali's corner loosed the ropes so the rope a dope would be more effective, an account that is disputed by odd claims that Dundee actually tightened the ropes with a knife; it's just too much of a weird fight for me to look at as legit. Why wouldn't the boxing commission push for a rematch? There was plenty of money to be made.
Even with out all that contraversey and if it were legit, no one has ever said it was Ali's punching power that KOed Foreman. They all give claim to the rope a dope that tired out Foreman causing him to fall in exhaustion, and the purpose of your post was to highlight Ali's big punch. Let's say the rope a dope was a real and no shady business was present, Cus and Whitey would see through that juvenile rope a dope by round 2 and restrategize Tyson to sit and wait for Ali to come to him. It could never hve been the same fight. Tyson is like Frazier while Foreman beat Frazier and Ali beat Foreman, Frazier had also beaten Ali and of the three fights the one that Frazier had won was hte only clear cut victory. The second was a close 12 round decision that could have went either way (since Ali played a stick and back off match the whole way) and the Thrilla in Manilla was a throw in the towel by his corner when it was apparent Ali wasn't able to return for the final round. If they hadn't thrown in the towel many analysts and men in Ali's corner question whether Ali could have even started the last round.
As I said. Tyson would need to fight older, rope a dope Ali to stand a chance. There is no way in hell Iron Mike Tyson, The Dynamite Kid Mike Tyson, 2Pac Entrance Mike Tyson, or any other Tyson you want, can beat Cassius Clay. Clay would wipe the floor with the under trained pit bull.
The answer can't be that easy. We really cannot know. Has Tyson really ever wiped the floor with any legit heavyweight in their prime? No, but that doesn't mean we know that he couldn't when he was in his prime. Cus D'Amato was smarter than Ali and so anything could have happened and something tells me that Tyson took better orders than Ali did from Dundee, but that's just a hunch. Anyway, one well placed early combo could take out Ali like it could any man, but Ali has shown he can get up and keep going so who really knows. If I were a betting man and had to choose and it was a case of Ali knowing what Tyson was made of then I'd pick Ali to out-box him and win on points.
That being said, I can't imagine Cassius Clay in his prime beating Lennox Lewis in his prime. Too big, too strong, and too smart. He can punch like Frazier, he has the strength of Foreman, the patience of Holyfield, and the boxing skill of Joe Louis. He may not KO Ali but I'd bet the world he'd win on points (unless it would be rigged like his match with Evander).
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I'd go with Tyson for the fact that he was just a fuckin' ANIMAL in his prime
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Everybody ignoring George Foreman? Help me understand it, not one person has commented on it. You say Tyson because he was so bad, Foreman was badder and Ali knocked him out.
I just read this whole thread right now. Let me tell you, Tyson would have sent Foreman out on a stretcher. George swung like a fuckin' robot. Tyson would have taken Foreman out from the body alone.
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Everybody ignoring George Foreman? Help me understand it, not one person has commented on it. You say Tyson because he was so bad, Foreman was badder and Ali knocked him out.
I just read this whole thread right now. Let me tell you, Tyson would have sent Foreman out on a stretcher. George swung like a fuckin' robot. Tyson would have taken Foreman out from the body alone.
Foreman had longer reach, and stronger chin, and a stronger punch. Tyson would have gotten hurt just coming in close. Keep in mind that Tyson's people avoided letting him fight Foreman when Foreman was an old man. A win over Big George would have big huge for Iron Mike, but with Foreman's size and wallop there was a risk that Fireman could KO him and a loss to a 40 year old man would have killed Tyson's career. Watch Foreman vs Lyle to see how fast Foreman can get up from one of the strongest punchers there is.