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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: KVB1000 on January 18, 2002, 04:52:10 PM
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DJ Premier & The Guru.
I wanna speak to you about DJ Premier. First and foremost, I believe he is the realest, best and by far the most innovative hip-hop producer in the world. He has made REAL hip-hop for over a decade, since '89(unlike some of the Eminem bullshit), for Gang Starr, with skill that kills all opposition. He is by far more talented than Dr. Dre, Neptunes, Rockwilder, Swizz Beatz and these other uninspired producers. He is the best producer because he fusions jazz, soul, R&B and others
to create real, raw hip-hop. No other producer has done this. People don't see the definition of real, beautiful hip-hop music, the music I love and admire. He always brings, an awesome, innovative beat. The only other producer close to touching him Timbaland, with his impressive inspirations. But Premier is easily the best hip-hop producer.
He has also created some of the best tracks for Nas, Jay-Z, Limp Bizkit, The Lox, M.O.P., The Notorious B.I.G. and numerous others. If you would like to
view some of his production credits, I can give you highlights, all these tracks are unbelieveable:
Common ft. Bilal - "The Sixth Sense", the definition of hip-hop music
Nas - "Nas Is Like", No.1 hit
"2nd Childhood", best track on Stillmatic,
"N.Y. State Of Mind" I & II, both classics of Illmatic & It Was Written..
Jay-Z - "So Ghetto" best track on Jay's "Vol. 3.." album.
"D'Evils" & "Bring It On" both classics from Reasonable Doubt.
GangStarr - "Work", "Full Clip", "Moment Of Truth", besically anything from Gang Starr's "Moment Of Truth" album.
Limp Bizkit feat. Method Man - "N 2 Gether Now" the best hip-hop track off Significant Other.
I could go on for ages. Premier is No.1. I love & admire his music. Holla back with your thoughts.
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DJ Premier is tight as fuck. Best producer on the East Coast, but MY favorite producer of all time is DJ muthafuckin' Quik. Without a doubt. But yes, Premier has made some of the best tracks I've ever heard, and is very versatile.
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DJ Premier is tight no doubt, and is one of the best hip hop producers of all time, but Dr. Dre is better and so is DJ Quik. To say that Dre is not innovative or is uninspired and to put Dre's name with the fucking Swizz Beatz and the Neptunes! That is bull shit. I'm not even gonna go through why Dre is the best or about how he has innovated and put new standards time and time again.
If you like Primo more than any other producer, then more power to you, but don't group Dre with the Swizz beats and the Neptunes and call him uninspired.
I like Primo a lot and agree about all of the songs you mentioned(except for N 2 Gether Now), but Primo has had one style during his entire carrer, unlike Dre who has had many different styles.
I'm not trying to make this into a Primo vs. Dre thread. All I am doing is stating plain facts not oppinions.
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If you like Primo more than any other producer, then more power to you, but don't group Dre with the Swizz beats and the Neptunes and call him uninspired.
Not uninspired. What I'm saying is that Premier is the REALEST
hip-hop producer. Dre can produce pop tracks;
(My Name Is, Hennesey N Buddah, Let Me Blow Ya Mind)
Have you even see Premier produce pop tracks? No.
He always produces, real, raw, beautiful hip-hop.
Example:
Gang Starr feat. Big Shug & Freddie Foxxx - "The Militia"
Therefore, he is the best.
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i respect your opinion and how you like dj premier better than dre, but to say he's better and more talented than dre is utter and complete bullshit, when dj premier can hardly be called a producer
dre doesn't make POP songs, those songs are more of a mel man influence if anything...hell probably the best producer living today all he ever did was pop songs , Quincy Jones
i don't got the time or patience to explain to you what a REAL producer is but to even put dre in the same category as the neptunes and swizz beats and to put dj premier (who by all standards is not a producer...he's a flipping DJ!) is just straight up ignorant
i don't have nothing against premier i love his work, but please this whole post is pretty ignorant and you need to take some musical appreciation, musical production, and UNC certified college corses (which i'm doing ) to understand what i'm talking about
and if you want to talk about INNOVATIVE!? dj premier has been using the EXACT same style for 12 years now and , dre has changed the whole musical landscape HOW MANY TIMES??!! ....the fuck outta here
...sorry i ain't got nothing against you but straight up don't make bold ignorant comment like that , just cuz you feel some producer more than another doesn't make your producer better....straight up dr. dre is the quincy jones of this mutha fucka best that ever done it.....and i got LEGANDARY musical producers that back me up on that statment as well
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dj premier can hardly be called a producer
Premier is not a producer ??? Premier is a producer. ;)
I admit Dr. Dre comes close to him, but he is not on Premier's level.
dre doesn't make POP songs, those songs are more of a mel man influence if anything
What do you call "My Name Is", then? It is not real hip-hop.
Innovative means: have your own style and originality. You're
saying Premier isn't creative? Premier is the most creative producer in hip-hop, his musical fusions are revolutionary.
I stand by my word.
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::) ::) please don't insult my intellegence
i'll let you think what you want, be happy in your ignorance homie
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I got much love for Premo's work, he is a great....but Dre will always be my fav. & I believe him to be the greatest producer in music, period. He is a living legend.
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DJ Premier is the king of the eastcoast
Dr. Dre is the king of the westcoast
We will probably see one of the best hip hop albums ever when they come together on the new Rakim album (cant wait for that shit to drop)
By the way "N.Y. State Of Mind Pt. II) is from "I Am..." and not "It Was Written".
;)
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Dre's beats are recycled...Premo has always been my favorite producer. Quick comes in 2nd.
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recycled my ass
u do relise that without a sample machine dj premeir would be flippin burgers?
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dre doesn't make POP songs, those songs are more of a mel man influence if anything...hell probably the best producer living today all he ever did was pop songs , Quincy Jones
i don't have nothing against premier i love his work, but please thi whole post is pretty ignorant and you need to take some musical appreciation, musical production, and UNC certified college corses (which i'm doing ) to understand what i'm talking about
and if you want to talk about INNOVATIVE!? dj premier has been using the EXACT saome style for 12 years now and , dre has changed the whole musical landscape HOW MANY TIMES??!! ....the fuck outta here
.....straight up dr. dre is the quincy jones of this mutha fucka best that ever done it.....and i got LEGANDARY musical producers that back me up on that statment as well
Yup yup, Dre is the G.O.A.T. of producers. I'm gettin bored of Premo, it all sounds the same to me, the same style, the whole package sounds dated to me, he sounds stuck in early 90's. And Guru is the best to rap over Premo-beats, and if you didnt know, now etc.
And how is it possible to say that Timbo, Dre, Rockwilder is not innovative? They created a whole new sound, and is constantly re-inventing. Anybody not innovative its Premo, he might got a good formula but he should try something new for a change.
Who flipped the game over time and time again? DRE!! And who got a whole music-industry trying to copy a hiphop-producer? Timbaland!! He might be a part-time r'n'b-producer, but so what? It's not our business if a producer wanna make good money on the side producing sumthin' other than rap. That goes for Dre as well, somebody dont want to listen to "Let me blow ya mind", then simply dont do it. It doesnt make him less of a hiphop-producer, it actually shows versatility.
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i want to get something straight i like primo, resect his work and i'm not trying to bash him becuase he's "eastcoast" or becuase people are putting him in front of dre, but he's not a producer...he's a DJ and how can you be a better producer than dre when you're not even a producer??
it's like how people say pac is not an MC...which he's not he's a rapper
let me go into detail WHY dj premier IS NOT A PRODUCER , and a dj, since people in the hip hop comunitee are ignorant to the way music is made
this is how premier makes a beat
he flips through his many many many many many many many many crates of lp's and 45's and listens to specific parts of beats from old soul and r&b albums that he enjoys the equivilant of one of us listening to the chronic or doggystyle and picking our favorite drum, bass, ect. ...layers of melody
then he processes them (or however sample machines work) through a sample machine and takes the melodies he likes and sits down and mixes them together, like he'll use 2 second of bass line from an isley brothers tune and loop that, a section of a drum pattern from an old marvyn gaye tune, and put that on loop, then with his turntables add some scratches with a voice repeating something , like on 2nd childhood.
a VERY easy, simple and quick formula , once in a while he'll throw in a new 5 key piano loop that he concocted , or use hit a snare and bass head on the drums or drum machine but other than that he doen't write any original composistions.....i'm sorry but no matter what the linear notes say on a cd credit...that's not producing that's DJ'ing
and before some irate premo fan comes in here and trys to dissagree with that , don't even bother, becuase straight up...i'm in my third year of music apreciation , second year musical production class (where you learn almost everything there is to know about music and the way it's made and who and who your're geniuses are),and i'm gettng college credits in the fine arts and am a candidate for a BIG scholorship for studying music @ any of CSU's in california
again i like dj premier but his way of making beats is not considered producing.....if anythig it's considered dj'ing
if you prefer dj premier over dre........hey it's all good in my opinion like who you want...just becuase you're a karl malone fan doesn't mean you have to like jordan in basketball, BUT respect the fact that dre is/was/and until somebody in the rap game can do more than what dre has done for rap behind the boards , he will always be the best plain and simple
dude's like george clinton, brian wilson, phil collins, jimmy iovine, and even THE man quincy jones wouldn't be praising him as the best in hip hop if it wasn't true...and those names KNOW their production..straight up
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this is how premier makes a beat
he flips through his many many many many many many many many crates of lp's and 45's and listens to specific parts of beats from old soul and r&b albums that he enjoys the equivilant of one of us listening to the chronic or doggystyle and picking our favorite drum, bass, ect. ...layers of melody
then he processes them (or however sample machines work) through a sample machine and takes the melodies he likes and sits down and mixes them together, like he'll use 2 second of bass line from an isley brothers tune and loop that, a section of a drum pattern from an old marvyn gaye tune, and put that on loop, then with his turntables add some scratches with a voice repeating something , like on 2nd childhood.
a VERY easy, simple and quick formula , once in a while he'll throw in a new 5 key piano loop that he concocted , or use hit a snare and bass head on the drums or drum machine but other than that he doen't write any original composistions.....i'm sorry but no matter what the linear notes say on a cd credit...that's not producing that's DJ'ing
Interesting. Where did you get this information ?
Every beat has an elementary composure.., ;)
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alot of people who have worked with him have broken down his work process and you can even tell by listening to his work , it's pretty simple
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Much respect to Premier. A great D.J. and working with Dre to get that Rakim album out. now imagion if 'Pac would team with Rakim and Dre and Premier would produce that... truly Oh My God. Premier though, great producer, should update a little, but what ever. And I think his best track was Unbelievable for Notorious B.I.G. on Ready to Die. Biggie and Premier were the shit together no doubt.
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Premo has done some of my fav. songs ever, and is close to being my fav. producer; however i put Dre ahead of him because Dre has changed his sound (Nwa, Death Row, and now) whereas Premo has relied on the same formula. Sure Premo's work on Gangstarr albums are a little more daring, but still i can't call him the most talented producer unless he can change the game like Dre has done a couple times.
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alot of people who have worked with him have broken down his work process and you can even tell by listening to his work , it's pretty simple
Alright. He is still a producer. And who the hell cares if he has a simple work formula. His beats are always the realest & dopest. He holds real hip-hop alive with scratches and samples, which were the foundation for hip-hop back in the days in NY. He never fakes or sells out, like Pop Dre so frequently these days.
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dj premier is a dj not a producer and i'm going to leave it at that
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dj premier is a dj not a producer and i'm going to leave it at that
You do that. I'ma still say he is a producer. We do not need to argue about this.
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Alright. He is still a producer. And who the hell cares if he has a simple work formula. His beats are always the realest & dopest. He holds real hip-hop alive with scratches and samples, which were the foundation for hip-hop back in the days in NY. He never fakes or sells out, like Pop Dre so frequently these days.
Dre sells out? What, you mean because he did a track with Mary J. or the Eve-track? He owed Mary for the "The message"-track, and Eve is a rapper last time I checked. ::) ::) ::) ::)
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not to bash dj premier or anything but if dre sold out by working with eve and mary than premo is worse of a sell out...dude worked with the rock equivalent to nelly...limp bizkit...so kill that noise