West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: P2G on July 16, 2006, 06:12:05 AM
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i think it was mainly because of his album getting so heavily bootlegged online..
remember he was quoted as saying he was gonna redo a load of the tracks.. but it seemed to take him about 2 years to do it,
it was right when downloading was at its peak,. everyone was doing it.. and the laws werent in place as much as they are now.
dre, eminem etc.. they are always gonna sell. But i dont think knocturnal had that big a fanbase already, so sales were going to mean much more to his success than any other established artist.
the tracks that he featured on with dre & the aftermath camp were hot and got major radio play, and with aftermath behind him.. thats the only reason i can think why he never really hit home with his album
if you look at the artists who dre is working with today.. i think you can tell he has learned from past experiences.. by working with artists like bishop lamont etc, they have got that little bit extra . and i think they realise that the way the game is at the minute.. you really got to raise the bar with your artists.
i think knocturnal would have been a major star if he has came out with the same album about 3 years earlier.
i just think its the way the game changed, and how people go about getting their music.
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If Knoc had a bit more mainstream appeal, the record company would have decided to blow him up.
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Bootleging and a lack of label support were definitely part of the reason, but I think Knoc flopped mostly because he just barely missed the slight West Coast resurrgence that followed "2001" and "Restless" around 2000. The same thing happened with WC on Def Jam and Mack-10 on Cash Money...if they had been maybe a year or two earlier, they would've been able to capitalize upon the popularity of the C-walk and all that. But it just didn't happen for any of them.
Still, it's kinda surprising to see someone with Dre's blessing not crossing over. I think that maybe if they'd put out "Muzik", that song might have helped Knoc get over.
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i kinda liked this record. I liked pretty much everysong on it but still it was missing that it factor even tho i did like everysong.
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i didnt see knocs appeal at all. he was cool on a few hooks, but other than that, theres no way he could carry an album on his back. who wants to hear a full album of knocturnal. i dont.
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^^^^ :sign_werd:
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i didnt see knocs appeal at all. he was cool on a few hooks, but other than that, theres no way he could carry an album on his back. who wants to hear a full album of knocturnal. i dont.
Hooks + lots of good producers + Aftermath affiliation usually = commercial success
Not that I disagree with you completely; I'm just surprised the mainstream didn't fall for it.
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Knoc's main problem was alcohol he said it himself in a XXL interview he was turning up to shows drunk n shit
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knoc's style was just annoying. i used to like him, but listening to him now...he's always offbeat, his voice is eww most of the times, and his lyrics all sound the same. but i still think he could put out a good album if he put some real effort into it.
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For one that single with Missy Elliot was annoying. The hook was horrible and the way Missy did the hook was even worse. LA radio tried to force it down everyones throats. Why they decided to go with that song after the buzz he got from Super Ugly and 2001, I dunno.
The other part is they tried too hard to make him a mainstream type MC. Along the lines of a Fabolous of the westcoast. He doesn't have the charisma or personality to be one of those always in the limelight, mtv, hit record making type person. Never came off as someone who could do that to me but they seemed to think he could have. Plus like dood above said, his voice is kind of annoying you have to admit. Not the kind of voice youd want to hear on the radio every hour. The voice fit Super Ugly perfectly but other then that......ya, stick to hooks.
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Why did he flop? It's not like his career is over! He just has to get another shot.
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Knoc flopped cuz he is/was an alcoholic, and did some things to make Dre loose faith in him.
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he should of kept most of the tracks from knoc's landin.
that cd was way better than the way i am
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I agree with Baby G on him rapping way off beat at times
rappers going off beat has to be....... THE MOST ANNOYING THING EVER
especially on a tight beat.... anyone ever heard "Cash Sniffin Noses"?
good lord those guys butchered that beat, even Short Dog fucked up
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Knoc's main problem was alcohol he said it himself in a XXL interview he was turning up to shows drunk n shit
Yep, his own undoing was himself.
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stop blaming bootlegging as a problem. Everyone gets bootlegged. Eminem, snoop, lil jon, puffy, 50 cent, dre, everyone, yet these guys still sell millions of records. Problem is music sucks nowadays. I used to download albums all the time back in the day and I still went out and bought them. Now I just stopped buying them because they get old after one or two listens. Thank God I bootlegged the knoc album and didn't spend my money on it, I don't even think I listened to it once all the way through.
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Why did he flop? It's not like his career is over! He just has to get another shot.
(http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,3506339,00.html)
I thought for sure this would be his comeback album, I mean just think of all the people that would buy the CD just because of the Nascar. Plus you've got fans of the westcoast that would buy it because he's throwin up the dub. Now you've broadened your sales from a well put-together album cover. Brilliant.
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stop blaming bootlegging as a problem. Everyone gets bootlegged. Eminem, snoop, lil jon, puffy, 50 cent, dre, everyone, yet these guys still sell millions of records. Problem is music sucks nowadays. I used to download albums all the time back in the day and I still went out and bought them. Now I just stopped buying them because they get old after one or two listens. Thank God I bootlegged the knoc album and didn't spend my money on it, I don't even think I listened to it once all the way through.
Bootlegging hurts unestablished artist more so than established artist that you named. When the return sales don't add up to how much money the label has invested in the artist + a decent profit, that artist often gets dropped from the label. Guy's like the ones mentioned could flop and the record company would just take an L on that particular project and keep it moving.
Knoc didn't build up enough of a buzz to make people want to go out an buy the album, on top of that he had a drinking problem. I thought his albums were bangers, but I guess not to many people felt the same way tough. I'd blame Dre too for knoc not getting the exposure he deserved, he's been to busy the last 7 years dicc riding the east coast and trying to put them bacc in the spotlight.
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what y'all think of the "return of the hustler" album, its straight garbage if u aks me...
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what y'all think of the "return of the hustler" album, its straight garbage if u aks me...
2 good tracks on it, rest is garbage as you say :(
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He killed it on t"The wash" soundtrack(that ep is kinda dope by the way) but I think people were waiting for the more prominent "2001" artists like Hittman and Six-two (L.A. niggas was filler). Switching reels, guys the Shakira pics make me wanna go grab the kleenex.
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what y'all think of the "return of the hustler" album, its straight garbage if u aks me...
That was NOT a Knocturnal album. That was some bullshit release.
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I think he flopped because, although it was an impressive lineup, most of the "impressive" people on it, would only excite west coast fans. For us, Damizza, DJ Quik, Warren G, Hittman, Mel-Man etc. was a good line up. But anyone in the east or south, probably only cared about Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Nate Dogg & maybe Xzibit. If this album came out in like 2000-2002 no doubt it would of gone platinum. Knoc-Turn'Al defanitely has some nice skills. Return Of The Hustler, was dissapointing. I found what made it to be dissapointing was the fact that it had 11 songs, and Knoc wasn't even 3 of them, and 3 of the 8 he was on, he only did the hook. It was more of a compilation album. He only had 5 verses on the entire album. I am much, much more excited for his Treacherous Records release. I think he's still with them. It's amazing how much better the little music that has been released of his on Treacherous, is soo much better then the entire sonic wave album. Also the big names help. the Scott Storch produced, Rock The Party sounded like a pure club banger. The 1 with David Banner, I Got It, also sounded very decent. That Big Syke F/ Knoc track Can't Do It Better, was also very good. I just hope Knoc can get back on his feet. I've heard the alcohol rumour, and I hope he over comes his problem, and doesn't screw this up. He's blessed to the this oppourtunity, and he shouldn't let some drinking problems ruin it for him and his family.
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For one that single with Missy Elliot was annoying.
Just seeing her face annoys me. Her voice sends me into seizures.
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For one that single with Missy Elliot was annoying.
Just seeing her face annoys me. Her voice sends me into seizures.
Lmao- Bring back the fat missy with the "he he he he ow"! Her thinkin she's fine in videos aint the bizness.