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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Spicemuthafuc*in1 on July 18, 2006, 09:43:50 PM
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Ive finally changed my mind. For the last couple of years I have always said Kobe was the best player in the league with Duncan and Lebron right behind. After thinking about it I have to say that Tim Duncan is the still the best player in the league. He was the best player in the playoffs and if Parker or Manu would of played even CLOSE to their potential the Spurs would have another title. I know Kobe is legendary and special in SOOO many ways I meen I get goosebumps when I watch him play and I dont even like him but imo right now Duncan is still the best in the league.
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Well he wasn't even the best PF in 2005
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Well he wasn't even the best PF in 2005
Yes he was, stats wise KG, JO, Chris Bosh, and Elton Brand might have had equal or better stats but from just WATCHING them all play Duncan is better than all of them. And in the playoffs Duncan put up monster numbers! Duncan doesnt take even close to as many shots as Kobe or Iverson for example. Pound for Pound if your looking for rebounding, defense, offense, and just making your teammates better than you would have to say TD is the best player in the league.
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Last year Duncan scored 19ppg off of 15 shots per game, very efficient. Plus he is one of the best rebounders and defenders in the league. Overall he is the best
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lol really, if you haven't noticed his games in decline. his points, rebounds, blocks, free-throw%, and field goal% were all below his career avgs. not to mention dude cant hit a free throw to close out a game. he wasnt the best player in the playoffs didnt you seee Wade??:grumpy: he put up big #s against Dallas but not Sacremento. he also has to rely on his teamates now. 2-3 years ago it wasnt a problem if ginobli or parker had bad games because he would dominate. not anymore.
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lol really, if you haven't noticed his games in decline. his points, rebounds, blocks, free-throw%, and field goal% were all below his career avgs. not to mention dude cant hit a free throw to close out a game. he wasnt the best player in the playoffs didnt you seee Wade??:grumpy: he put up big #s against Dallas but not Sacremento. he also has to rely on his teamates now. 2-3 years ago it wasnt a problem if ginobli or parker had bad games because he would dominate. not anymore.
Wade was great in the playoffs but Duncan was better lol, if Duncan got all the calls Wade gets then you would def be thinking differently. And yes this last year was probably Timmy's worst season ever but imo he is STILL the best player in the league. Dude in the playoffs Manu and Parker were subpar and the Spurs still came half a minute a away from returning to the finals again. Im sorry but Duncan is still the most valuable player in the league.
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He's not. It's just that simple ;)
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He's not. It's just that simple ;)
thats your opinion but its ridicolous how you think its not even close. Duncan has 3 Titles and yes he has had talent around him but he never had Shaq like Kobe did and he never had Kobe or Wade like Shaq did. You might think he is boring but he is the most effecient player in the league and that meens alot. No one is as important to their team as Duncan is.
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I never said it wasn't close. Your opinion is that he's the best, but the evidence shows that he wasn't even the best PF last year.
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lol really, if you haven't noticed his games in decline. his points, rebounds, blocks, free-throw%, and field goal% were all below his career avgs. not to mention dude cant hit a free throw to close out a game. he wasnt the best player in the playoffs didnt you seee Wade??:grumpy: he put up big #s against Dallas but not Sacremento. he also has to rely on his teamates now. 2-3 years ago it wasnt a problem if ginobli or parker had bad games because he would dominate. not anymore.
Wade was great in the playoffs but Duncan was better lol, if Duncan got all the calls Wade gets then you would def be thinking differently. And yes this last year was probably Timmy's worst season ever but imo he is STILL the best player in the league. Dude in the playoffs Manu and Parker were subpar and the Spurs still came half a minute a away from returning to the finals again. Im sorry but Duncan is still the most valuable player in the league.
How were they a half minute away from the finals when they didnt even get past the 2nd round? and please explain to me how Duncan was better than Wade?
Duncan stats
(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6651/duncanev8.jpg)
Wade stats
(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1825/wadedn0.jpg)
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lmfao
spice is acting like NIK excpet its al bout duncan.
duncan was the best player in the league but not anymore.
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I never said it wasn't close. Your opinion is that he's the best, but the evidence shows that he wasn't even the best PF last year.
But he was the best pf last year, you cant just look at stats. Even though Jermaine O'neal or Kevin Garnett or Elton Brand had better stats than TD last year it doesnt meen that they are better.
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lol really, if you haven't noticed his games in decline. his points, rebounds, blocks, free-throw%, and field goal% were all below his career avgs. not to mention dude cant hit a free throw to close out a game. he wasnt the best player in the playoffs didnt you seee Wade??:grumpy: he put up big #s against Dallas but not Sacremento. he also has to rely on his teamates now. 2-3 years ago it wasnt a problem if ginobli or parker had bad games because he would dominate. not anymore.
Wade was great in the playoffs but Duncan was better lol, if Duncan got all the calls Wade gets then you would def be thinking differently. And yes this last year was probably Timmy's worst season ever but imo he is STILL the best player in the league. Dude in the playoffs Manu and Parker were subpar and the Spurs still came half a minute a away from returning to the finals again. Im sorry but Duncan is still the most valuable player in the league.
How were they a half minute away from the finals when they didnt even get past the 2nd round? and please explain to me how Duncan was better than Wade?
Duncan stats
(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6651/duncanev8.jpg)
Wade stats
(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1825/wadedn0.jpg)
hahah ok your right about one thing I fucked up saying half a minute away from the finals cause they lost in the second round but I said that just cause everyone knows they would of beat the Suns.
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LMFAO! Duncan isn't even the best player on his team, let alone the best player in the league...This is ridiculous, man.
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LMFAO! Duncan isn't even the best player in the league, let alone the best player in the league...This is ridiculous, man.
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Edited. Blazed. Goodnight.
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you mean to tell me that Duncanīs better then Lebron,AI & Kobe ??? well thatīs your opinion but i certainly donīt agree.
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Kobe Bryants game is so much better than Tim Duncan, no question. TD has been on some good teams, with a good coach ect, but the "Big Fundamental" isnt seeing Kobe, no way....
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I don't understand this thread...Jermaine O'Neal is arguably better than Tim Duncan nowadays, why didn't you just make a thread saying "Jermaine O'Neal > Kobe Bryant" if you wanted to make a (stupid) bold statement? At least it would make more sesne, as J. O'Neal is your player...PeACe
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first of all, one is a PF and one is SG
end of discussion
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first of all, one is a PF and one is SG
end of discussion
It doesn't matter...He's talking about the best player in the NBA, which Tim Duncan is obviously far from...PeACe
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oh, well in the discussion of Duncan is better than Kobe, it doesn't make sense because they're 2 completely different players
in the discussion of Duncan being the best in the league, don't be ridiculous
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KG, Bosh>>>Duncan
Kobe, LeBron, Wade>>>KG, Bosh
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i've been saying this for years now Kobe bryant is the best player in the NBA anyone who disagrees :
1) lives somehwere out of LA and doesn't see all of the laker games
2) is a hater
3) is ignorant
NO ONE in the League has the offensive fire power AND the Defensive prowess of kobe
NO ONE
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lmfao
spice is acting like NIK excpet its al bout duncan.
duncan was the best player in the league but not anymore.
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KG, Bosh>>>Duncan
Kobe, LeBron, Wade>>>KG, Bosh
Sorry but Jermaine O'neal is better than Bosh. so you should of put JO, KG > Duncan. Jo is a more polished offensive player, and he is twice the defender Bosh is, I love Bosh hes great but JO is def better
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lmfao
spice is acting like NIK excpet its al bout duncan.
duncan was the best player in the league but not anymore.
I don't get it, how is he acting like me? I don't make outrageous claims, I always back what I say with reason... ???
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KG, Bosh>>>Duncan
Kobe, LeBron, Wade>>>KG, Bosh
Sorry but Jermaine O'neal is better than Bosh. so you should of put JO, KG > Duncan. Jo is a more polished offensive player, and he is twice the defender Bosh is, I love Bosh hes great but JO is def better
Bosh is already better than JO....He was better last year, and will be better this year 2....Plus, he isnt injured & on the bench chilling out all the time. Why do you think the Pacers havnt traded or got rid of JO yet? Its cuz nobody wants another overpaid, injury-prone superstar. And other teams arent willing to give up much for JO....Bosh is also only 22 and is way better than JO ever is/was
thats the truth.
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KG, Bosh>>>Duncan
Kobe, LeBron, Wade>>>KG, Bosh
Sorry but Jermaine O'neal is better than Bosh. so you should of put JO, KG > Duncan. Jo is a more polished offensive player, and he is twice the defender Bosh is, I love Bosh hes great but JO is def better
Bosh is already better than JO....He was better last year, and will be better this year 2....Plus, he isnt injured & on the bench chilling out all the time. Why do you think the Pacers havnt traded or got rid of JO yet? Its cuz nobody wants another overpaid, injury-prone superstar. And other teams arent willing to give up much for JO....Bosh is also only 22 and is way better than JO ever is/was
thats the truth.
Oh my god you are fucking stupid! Bosh way better than JO? LMFAO! First off from a defensive standpoint its not even close, JO plays defense like Ben Wallace while Bosh is only a average defender. And with rebounding and offense JO has a more polished game, we havnt traded JO cause WE DONT WANT TO!! If we put JO on the trading block there would be offers flying at the Pacers from all directions. Jermaine has 10 years of expierence and hes only 27 you dont know what your talking about. Also JO has been through the grinds of the playoffs he has battled the Pistons, Heat, he is playoff tested, JO has been to the playoffs every year of his career while Bosh hasnt been in the playoffs in his first 3 years and I promise you he wont be in the playoffs next year either. Let me know when Bosh finishes in the top 3 in MVP voting. JO has been to 5 straight all star games and will be in another 5 straight all star games as well. Stop being so BIASED!! Right now hands down Jermaine is better than Bosh, no question about it. We'll talk next year when the Pacers make the playoffs for the 10th straight year and Bosh watches from home again.
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We'll talk next year when the Pacers make the playoffs for the 10th straight year and Bosh watches from home again.
well, the Pacers usually are sitting at home the next week anyways, but whatever...
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We'll talk next year when the Pacers make the playoffs for the 10th straight year and Bosh watches from home again.
well, the Pacers usually are sitting at home the next week anyways, but whatever...
Yeah Indy hasnt won a title, I'm aware of that but we did make the finals and put up a fight against the Lakers although we lost we played LA a hell of a lot harder than Philly and New Jersey did. And with the new generation of JO and Artest we had the best record in the league 2 years ago but we fell short in the conference finals although Indy was the better team and we all know how good we would have been this year if we had Artest, remember Indy played Miami twice in the first week of this last season and with Jo and Artest we smacked them around twice. But forget about Artest, just wait until next year with a healthy team we will contend again.
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Kobe > everybody in the NBA
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lmfao
spice is acting like NIK excpet its al bout duncan.
duncan was the best player in the league but not anymore.
I don't get it, how is he acting like me? I don't make outrageous claims, I always back what I say with reason... ???
Oh, no. I thought he said he was acting like you with Kobe.
Except the fact he's wrong.
My bad, i misunderstood it all.
Anyway Kobe > Duncan, obviously.
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dont use the regular season as a catalyst for measuring the greatness of your team.
remember the pistons had the best record in the regular season = didnt win the championship
heat lost the season series to the nets 3-1 and beat them in the playoffs ?
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Well he wasn't even the best PF in 2005
he was in the playoffs!!!! he was the best player in the playoffs (except for DWADE) he just had no help
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Well he wasn't even the best PF in 2005
he was in the playoffs!!!! he was the best player in the playoffs (except for DWADE) he just had no help
Mosav I know you watch alot of basketball whop is currently better Jermaine or Bosh. Plant is convinced its Bosh while me and NIK think its JO, who u pickin?
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JO, but give Bosh another season or two.
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Well he wasn't even the best PF in 2005
he was in the playoffs!!!! he was the best player in the playoffs (except for DWADE) he just had no help
Mosav I know you watch alot of basketball whop is currently better Jermaine or Bosh. Plant is convinced its Bosh while me and NIK think its JO, who u pickin?
J.O. RIGHT NOW!
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JO, but give Bosh another season or two.
Yea I think Bosh has the potential to be better,but right now JO is more polished of a player, and he's still only 27 so he's got alot of years left.
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Yeah he duz^^^^^^Hopefully those knees hold up
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Yeah he duz^^^^^^Hopefully those knees hold up
Yeah he has been injured alot the last 2 years
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this is why I think Bosh is better than JO
Bosh, 22.5 PPG, 9.2 RPG, Ranks #10 in the NBA in efficiency ranking per 48 minutes(24.67)....Also, Bosh is the ONLY player in the NBA to average more than 22.0 PPG and shoot better than .500% from the field and .800% from the free throw line.
Jermaine Oneal, 20.0 PPG, 9.3 RPG, efficiency rating is 21.45...Jermaine only played in 51 regular season games last year, and only 44 in 04-05...
how can you argue that Spice? Plus, you know Bosh has a sweeter game than JO...
case closed
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JO > bosh
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this is why I think Bosh is better than JO
Bosh, 22.5 PPG, 9.2 RPG, Ranks #10 in the NBA in efficiency ranking per 48 minutes(24.67)....Also, Bosh is the ONLY player in the NBA to average more than 22.0 PPG and shoot better than .500% from the field and .800% from the free throw line.
Jermaine Oneal, 20.0 PPG, 9.3 RPG, efficiency rating is 21.45...Jermaine only played in 51 regular season games last year, and only 44 in 04-05...
how can you argue that Spice? Plus, you know Bosh has a sweeter game than JO...
case closed
Bosh doesnt do anything better than JO while JO plays WAY better defense than Bosh. And Bosh has a very sweet game but JO's game is just more well rounded he has a more polished game and anyone that disagrees is a moron.
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you guys are weak....why dont you at least try backing up your statement that JO is better....thats right, you cant....because Bosh' stats from last season are already proven better than JO, plus Bosh aint a injury prone player....On top of that, where is JO on the team USA basketball roster? They picked guys like Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Melo, BOSH and NO JO? Hmmm ???
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you guys are weak....why dont you at least try backing up your statement that JO is better....thats right, you cant....because Bosh' stats from last season are already proven better than JO, plus Bosh aint a injury prone player....On top of that, where is JO on the team USA basketball roster? They picked guys like Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Melo, BOSH and NO JO? Hmmm ???
LMFAO!! You have managed to outdue yourself again you moron, JO DENIED the invitation! Unlike Bosh, JO plays in the playoffs every year and that can take its toll on a player plus he already participated twice for the USA team before, now he just wants to focus on the Pacers. LMFAO at you thinking they overlooked Jo for the USA team he denied the oppurtunity you idiot.
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You still cant prove JO is better....You could try to pull up his stats but all that would do is prove Bosh is better....So you keep saying the same thing over again, "he is more polished" dude what the fuck do you mean? Are you saying he is a better player becuase he is older than Bosh or something? at least try to make some sense to me and give me some reason that matters why u think he is better.
BTW, if you watched the Pacer vs. Raptor games this season, you woulda seen how Bosh owned JO on the court....It actually took me by suprise!
Like I said before, Chris is the ONLY player in the NBA to average more than 22ppg, and shoot .500% fgp and .800% ftp......you sure cant say the same about your boy JO....now those are just hard facts you cant deny
Bosh is more polished than JO
I rest my case
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You still cant prove JO is better....You could try to pull up his stats but all that would do is prove Bosh is better....So you keep saying the same thing over again, "he is more polished" dude what the fuck do you mean? Are you saying he is a better player becuase he is older than Bosh or something? at least try to make some sense to me and give me some reason that matters why u think he is better.
BTW, if you watched the Pacer vs. Raptor games this season, you woulda seen how Bosh owned JO on the court....It actually took me by suprise!
Like I said before, Chris is the ONLY player in the NBA to average more than 22ppg, and shoot .500% fgp and .800% ftp......you sure cant say the same about your boy JO....now those are just hard facts you cant deny
Bosh is more polished than JO
I rest my case
Ok like I have said a million times before JO is a MUCH better defender than Bosh. Thats the first thing, second of all he has a better midrange jumpshot and a better fadeaway, third of all he rebounds the same as bosh if not better, 4th of all he has a much better catologue of moves in the paint than Bosh, JO can score facing the basket and back to the basket with alot more consistency than Bosh, JO > Bosh
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thats the most ignorant response Ive ever heard........why dont you watch Chris play ball at least then before you comment.....this argument is done...you guys are shook becuase Bosh came up to be one of the premier forwards in the league amidst the LeBron/Melo/Wade hype.....Bosh has a way better jumper, midrange and offensive moves.....JO might have the edge in the paint but Bosh is definatly more agile and versatile.....
you need to watch more games son before you comment....
you cant say that JO is all around a better player becuase Bosh had the 10th highest player efficiency rating in the league.....Bosh is 24.67 while JO was 21.45.
And dont gimme that bs about JO being a better defender, it aint like dude is the defensive player of the year man....and JO only played a half season the last 2 years...
IF YOU' SCARED.......GO TO CHURCH!
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thats the most ignorant response Ive ever heard........why dont you watch Chris play ball at least then before you comment.....this argument is done...you guys are shook becuase Bosh came up to be one of the premier forwards in the league amidst the LeBron/Melo/Wade hype.....Bosh has a way better jumper, midrange and offensive moves.....JO might have the edge in the paint but Bosh is definatly more agile and versatile.....
you need to watch more games son before you comment....
you cant say that JO is all around a better player becuase Bosh had the 10th highest player efficiency rating in the league.....Bosh is 24.67 while JO was 21.45.
And dont gimme that bs about JO being a better defender, it aint like dude is the defensive player of the year man....and JO only played a half season the last 2 years...
IF YOU' SCARED.......GO TO CHURCH!
I have league pass so I have watched Bosh on MANY occasions and JO is better. And sorry but JO plays defense like Ben Wallace not quite as good but close
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LoL, okay ::) whatever u say man
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thats the most ignorant response Ive ever heard........why dont you watch Chris play ball at least then before you comment.....this argument is done...you guys are shook becuase Bosh came up to be one of the premier forwards in the league amidst the LeBron/Melo/Wade hype.....Bosh has a way better jumper, midrange and offensive moves.....JO might have the edge in the paint but Bosh is definatly more agile and versatile.....
you need to watch more games son before you comment....
you cant say that JO is all around a better player becuase Bosh had the 10th highest player efficiency rating in the league.....Bosh is 24.67 while JO was 21.45.
And dont gimme that bs about JO being a better defender, it aint like dude is the defensive player of the year man....and JO only played a half season the last 2 years...
IF YOU' SCARED.......GO TO CHURCH!
You keep thrown this number out there 21.45.. Its not all about numbers man. J.O. Makes people around him better and he always has his teams competing what has Bosh done? I know he is young but cmon you cant base your argument off 1 fuckin number or the fact that he avg's 2 pts more or .2 rebs more. I guess Peyton Manning is DEFINTLY A better QB then Brady right? because he puts up better numbers every year. And I guess Elton Brand is better then Tim Duncan too because he had better numbers....
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thats the most ignorant response Ive ever heard........why dont you watch Chris play ball at least then before you comment.....this argument is done...you guys are shook becuase Bosh came up to be one of the premier forwards in the league amidst the LeBron/Melo/Wade hype.....Bosh has a way better jumper, midrange and offensive moves.....JO might have the edge in the paint but Bosh is definatly more agile and versatile.....
you need to watch more games son before you comment....
you cant say that JO is all around a better player becuase Bosh had the 10th highest player efficiency rating in the league.....Bosh is 24.67 while JO was 21.45.
And dont gimme that bs about JO being a better defender, it aint like dude is the defensive player of the year man....and JO only played a half season the last 2 years...
IF YOU' SCARED.......GO TO CHURCH!
You keep thrown this number out there 21.45.. Its not all about numbers man. J.O. Makes people around him better and he always has his teams competing what has Bosh done? I know he is young but cmon you cant base your argument off 1 fuckin number or the fact that he avg's 2 pts more or .2 rebs more. I guess Peyton Manning is DEFINTLY A better QB then Brady right? because he puts up better numbers every year. And I guess Elton Brand is better then Tim Duncan too because he had better numbers....
Elton Brand WAS better than Duncan this year...
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how does JO make everyone around him better? Dude barely even played a whole season in the last 2 years.........The Pacers are lucky they had guys like Peja, Foster and the rookie Granger player well, or they woulda been in the tank.
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how does JO make everyone around him better? Dude barely even played a whole season in the last 2 years.........The Pacers are lucky they had guys like Peja, Foster and the rookie Granger player well, or they woulda been in the tank.
What are you talking about?? I dont know what your problem is with Jermaine its not my fault hes better than Bosh. Jermaine does make everyone around him better, while T-Mac and AI cant get thier teams to the playoffs with more talent Jermaine takes his team to the playoffs EVERY year without another all star on his team.
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how does JO make everyone around him better? Dude barely even played a whole season in the last 2 years.........The Pacers are lucky they had guys like Peja, Foster and the rookie Granger player well, or they woulda been in the tank.
What are you talking about?? I dont know what your problem is with Jermaine its not my fault hes better than Bosh. Jermaine does make everyone around him better, while T-Mac and AI cant get thier teams to the playoffs with more talent Jermaine takes his team to the playoffs EVERY year without another all star on his team.
man, how did JO get his team anywhere>? Dude was hurt and basically just showed up once they got into the playoffs.....then they lost
btw, dont have a problem with JO......just dont like it when overlpayed players like him are given more credit than a lesser known player like Bosh who has better numbers, works harder and has a better game IMO
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how does JO make everyone around him better? Dude barely even played a whole season in the last 2 years.........The Pacers are lucky they had guys like Peja, Foster and the rookie Granger player well, or they woulda been in the tank.
What are you talking about?? I dont know what your problem is with Jermaine its not my fault hes better than Bosh. Jermaine does make everyone around him better, while T-Mac and AI cant get thier teams to the playoffs with more talent Jermaine takes his team to the playoffs EVERY year without another all star on his team.
man, how did JO get his team anywhere>? Dude was hurt and basically just showed up once they got into the playoffs.....then they lost
btw, dont have a problem with JO......just dont like it when overlpayed players like him are given more credit than a lesser known player like Bosh who has better numbers, works harder and has a better game IMO
Bosh works harder?? LMAO! Where do you get this stuff from? If you think the Pacers are contenders without JO then you are crazy. So what Bosh scored a point in a half more than Jermaine, WHO CARES! Jermaine is TWICE the defender Bosh is and everyone knows it!
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I think Duncan is overrated and not the best player in the league