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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Spicemuthafuc*in1 on July 22, 2006, 12:22:40 AM
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I know Babe Ruth, Barry Bonds, Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle, and Hank Aaron were great but Im sorry Willie Mays is the best player of all time and if you think about it its not even close. He could do it all, he was a master of the 5 tools think about it? He hit 660 home runs while he played in the very large polo grounds and he missed 2 years of his prime serving the country in the war so he lost out on 2 extra years of home runs.
He also has 3000 hits so you can see he hit for power and average as good as anyone. Then in the outfield he had more than 7,000 putouts thats amazing by far the most ever and he played the best center field, he won 12 gold gloves while the first four years of his career they didnt even have the award. He had the best throwing arm and he was the best defensive outfielder ever, plus he also led the league 4 straight times in stolen bases and stole over 300 bases in his career. Judging by all around talent Willie Mays=G.O.AT.
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Ruth>>>Mayes Ruth also won 94 games and had a 2.28 ERA :P Mayes played in over 400 more games and 2,500 more at-bats yet has less HRs & RBIs than Ruth and Ruth batted .40 pts higher than Mayes for his career. And to say its not even close is absurd :grumpy:, you Giant fans crack me up :laugh:
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Ruth>>>Mayes Ruth also won 94 games and had a 2.28 ERA :P Mayes played in over 400 more games and 2,500 more at-bats yet has less HRs & RBIs than Ruth and Ruth batted .40 pts higher than Mayes for his career. And to say its not even close is absurd :grumpy:, you Giant fans crack me up :laugh:
Listen to 99% of people aged 50-70 and they will say MAYS not mayes was the best player they have ever seen. Ruth never played against any minorities while Mays played against the best competition goin against pitchers like Sandy Koufax sorry Mays did everything perfect, the ideal 5 tool player Mays > Ruth all day every day
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you will all say I'm being ridiculous, but look at all the injurys and look what he's done and look what he could done
Ken Griffey, Jr.
without drugs too
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you will all say I'm being ridiculous, but look at all the injurys and look what he's done and look what he could done
Ken Griffey, Jr.
without drugs too
Yea he's great but Bonds is better than he is and Mays is way better than he is. He is clost to Mickey Mantle though which is amazing.
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Ruth>>>Mayes Ruth also won 94 games and had a 2.28 ERA :P Mayes played in over 400 more games and 2,500 more at-bats yet has less HRs & RBIs than Ruth and Ruth batted .40 pts higher than Mayes for his career. And to say its not even close is absurd :grumpy:, you Giant fans crack me up :laugh:
Listen to 99% of people aged 50-70 and they will say MAYS not mayes was the best player they have ever seen. Ruth never played against any minorities while Mays played against the best competition goin against pitchers like Sandy Koufax sorry Mays did everything perfect, the ideal 5 tool player Mays > Ruth all day every day
::) No shit they will say mays is the best player, maybe it would be due to the fact that Ruth retired in the early 30's so they never saw him play :P And its not like theyre was many great minority pirchers Mays went up against, outside of who Bob Gibson?
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you will all say I'm being ridiculous, but look at all the injurys and look what he's done and look what he could done
Ken Griffey, Jr.
without drugs too
Yea he's great but Bonds is better than he is and Mays is way better than he is. He is clost to Mickey Mantle though which is amazing.
LMAO I love you Giant fans, you guys kill me. Answer me this, if Bonds is better than griffey than y was Griffey named the player for the decade of the 90's and not Bonds? And once again he didnt use any steriods, unlike Bonds.
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you will all say I'm being ridiculous, but look at all the injurys and look what he's done and look what he could done
Ken Griffey, Jr.
without drugs too
Yea he's great but Bonds is better than he is and Mays is way better than he is. He is clost to Mickey Mantle though which is amazing.
LMAO I love you Giant fans, you guys kill me. Answer me this, if Bonds is better than griffey than y was Griffey named the player for the decade of the 90's and not Bonds? And once again he didnt use any steriods, unlike Bonds.
umm why did sporting news pic barry over griffey as player of 90's. steroids or not bonds > griffey easily
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Griffey could play INSANE defense too, Bonds is way out of his league in the outfield throughout their careers...
if Griffey woulda never got hurt he woulda had better numbers than Bonds, including the defense, WITHOUT steroids
that's pretty fuckin impressive, I don't think anyone touches Griffey.... and I'm not even a big Griffey fan, I'm just usin common sense
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this is aside from the old timers
I think they are different eras and shouldnt be combined when talking about todays players
so I'm just talkin about the last few decades
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Griffey could play INSANE defense too, Bonds is way out of his league in the outfield throughout their careers...
if Griffey woulda never got hurt he woulda had better numbers than Bonds, including the defense, WITHOUT steroids
that's pretty fuckin impressive, I don't think anyone touches Griffey.... and I'm not even a big Griffey fan, I'm just usin common sense
way out of his league? bonds won 8 gold gloves. And Willie Mays is the best player of all time
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Griffey > Bonds in the outfield
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Griffey > Bonds in the outfield
Griffey>>Bonds at the plate, only clear advantages Bonds had on Griffey were Stolen Bases and Walks.
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:nawty: Griffey was named the player of the decade for the 90's. His defense and offense in the 90's was better than Bonds. Griffey hit more than 40 HR 6 times in the 90's twice hitting 56. Bond's hit more than 40 HR 3 times in the 90's. Bonds has driven in more than 130 runs only once, never in the 90's. Griffey did it 4 times 3 of the times he drove in at least 140 runs. The only part Bonds was better than Griffey was at running the bases and drawing walks. Had Griffey not been plagued with injuries after he got traded to the Reds we'd be talking about Griffey as possibly the greatest player ever and he'd be chasing Aaron.
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Michael Jordan, the GOAT.
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Yall are crazy. Two words.
Ty Cobb
This crazy red neck stole home 54 times won 12 batting titles (9 in a row).
Only thing holding this guy back as number 1 is the era he played in and his homerun numbers. Dude still averaged over 100 RBI's without the HR's.
Cracka's and Nigga's...fear this dude.
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^^^ haha, no I'd just say niggers better fear him lol
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Yall are crazy. Two words.
Ty Cobb
This crazy red neck stole home 54 times won 12 batting titles (9 in a row).
Only thing holding this guy back as number 1 is the era he played in and his homerun numbers. Dude still averaged over 100 RBI's without the HR's.
Cracka's and Nigga's...fear this dude.
And you just happened to forget to mention that he was one of the dirtiest players in sports history :D
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I think in his day and age its too hard to tell.Back then there was the negro leagues therfore ruth dint se a lot of good blakc pitchers and vice versa. I think you need to compare eras and say he was the bets in his era. I think thats more fair. The equipment is better today, drug enhancing ... and the list goes on.
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:nawty: Griffey was named the player of the decade for the 90's. His defense and offense in the 90's was better than Bonds. Griffey hit more than 40 HR 6 times in the 90's twice hitting 56. Bond's hit more than 40 HR 3 times in the 90's. Bonds has driven in more than 130 runs only once, never in the 90's. Griffey did it 4 times 3 of the times he drove in at least 140 runs. The only part Bonds was better than Griffey was at running the bases and drawing walks. Had Griffey not been plagued with injuries after he got traded to the Reds we'd be talking about Griffey as possibly the greatest player ever and he'd be chasing Aaron.
Yeah and Griffey never got walked 200 times in a season. Griffey Never led his team to a WORLD Series...oh yeah one more thing...Griffey has missed pasrt of the last 7 years. Oh yeah and Bonds is actually on the field every year for more then half the season! Griffey needs to go get some WET WIPES! HAHAHAHAAHAH!
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And here are some #'s to back it up(gotta love the search button :laugh:)
:nawty: Griffey was named the player of the decade for the 90's. His defense and offense in the 90's was better than Bonds. Griffey hit more than 40 HR 6 times in the 90's twice hitting 56. Bond's hit more than 40 HR 3 times in the 90's. Bonds has driven in more than 130 runs only once, never in the 90's. Griffey did it 4 times 3 of the times he drove in at least 140 runs. The only part Bonds was better than Griffey was at running the bases and drawing walks. Had Griffey not been plagued with injuries after he got traded to the Reds we'd be talking about Griffey as possibly the greatest player ever and he'd be chasing Aaron.
Yeah and Griffey never got walked 200 times in a season. Griffey Never led his team to a WORLD Series...oh yeah one more thing...Griffey has missed pasrt of the last 7 years. Oh yeah and Bonds is actually on the field every year for more then half the season! Griffey needs to go get some WET WIPES! HAHAHAHAAHAH!
LMAO! Yeah Griff was amazing he was great but it will always be Bonds > Griffey, how can you compete with 7 mvps, 8 gold gloves, 722 HR, 2700+ hits, 508 SB.
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:nawty: Griffey was named the player of the decade for the 90's. His defense and offense in the 90's was better than Bonds. Griffey hit more than 40 HR 6 times in the 90's twice hitting 56. Bond's hit more than 40 HR 3 times in the 90's. Bonds has driven in more than 130 runs only once, never in the 90's. Griffey did it 4 times 3 of the times he drove in at least 140 runs. The only part Bonds was better than Griffey was at running the bases and drawing walks. Had Griffey not been plagued with injuries after he got traded to the Reds we'd be talking about Griffey as possibly the greatest player ever and he'd be chasing Aaron.
Yeah and Griffey never got walked 200 times in a season. Griffey Never led his team to a WORLD Series...oh yeah one more thing...Griffey has missed pasrt of the last 7 years. Oh yeah and Bonds is actually on the field every year for more then half the season! Griffey needs to go get some WET WIPES! HAHAHAHAAHAH!
Griffey never used steroids. All of these unreal Bonds stats all came during the whole steroid situation with Bonds. Bonds was also known one of sports biggest chokers cause he would do absolutly nothing when the playoffs came. He put up horrible numbers until 2002. Stop being such a dickrider
HAHAHAHAAHAH!
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And here are some #'s to back it up(gotta love the search button :laugh:)
:nawty: Griffey was named the player of the decade for the 90's. His defense and offense in the 90's was better than Bonds. Griffey hit more than 40 HR 6 times in the 90's twice hitting 56. Bond's hit more than 40 HR 3 times in the 90's. Bonds has driven in more than 130 runs only once, never in the 90's. Griffey did it 4 times 3 of the times he drove in at least 140 runs. The only part Bonds was better than Griffey was at running the bases and drawing walks. Had Griffey not been plagued with injuries after he got traded to the Reds we'd be talking about Griffey as possibly the greatest player ever and he'd be chasing Aaron.
Yeah and Griffey never got walked 200 times in a season. Griffey Never led his team to a WORLD Series...oh yeah one more thing...Griffey has missed pasrt of the last 7 years. Oh yeah and Bonds is actually on the field every year for more then half the season! Griffey needs to go get some WET WIPES! HAHAHAHAAHAH!
Griffey never used steroids. All of these unreal Bonds stats all came during the whole steroid situation with Bonds. Bonds was also known one of sports biggest chokers cause he would do absolutly nothing when the playoffs came. He put up horrible numbers until 2002. Stop being such a dickrider
HAHAHAHAAHAH!
IF Barry Bonds used steroids its obvious he didnt take them until 00 or 01 when he got much stronger, so he still was CLEAN at least 90% of his career. And LMAO at you saying all his numbers came with "Steroids" what about when he was a twig in Pittsburg in 1993 and he won his 3rd mvp hitting 46 home runs while Griff only has 1 mvp EVER! Bonds > Griffey always. All I have to say is 700hr/500 sb thats the most amazing thing ever, AMAZING COMBINATION OF SPEED AND POWER! Bonds > Griffey
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the whole thing is, how can you respect a guy that used steroids?
I mean really...
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the whole thing is, how can you respect a guy that used steroids?
I mean really...
Basically everyone was doing it, and fuck maybe he didnt really know. He didnt plead the 5th like Mcgwire, he didnt cork his bat like Sosa, he didnt test postive like Palmerio, WHAT ABOUT INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!
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:nawty: Griffey was named the player of the decade for the 90's. His defense and offense in the 90's was better than Bonds. Griffey hit more than 40 HR 6 times in the 90's twice hitting 56. Bond's hit more than 40 HR 3 times in the 90's. Bonds has driven in more than 130 runs only once, never in the 90's. Griffey did it 4 times 3 of the times he drove in at least 140 runs. The only part Bonds was better than Griffey was at running the bases and drawing walks. Had Griffey not been plagued with injuries after he got traded to the Reds we'd be talking about Griffey as possibly the greatest player ever and he'd be chasing Aaron.
Yeah and Griffey never got walked 200 times in a season. Griffey Never led his team to a WORLD Series...oh yeah one more thing...Griffey has missed pasrt of the last 7 years. Oh yeah and Bonds is actually on the field every year for more then half the season! Griffey needs to go get some WET WIPES! HAHAHAHAAHAH!
Griffey never used steroids. All of these unreal Bonds stats all came during the whole steroid situation with Bonds. Bonds was also known one of sports biggest chokers cause he would do absolutly nothing when the playoffs came. He put up horrible numbers until 2002. Stop being such a dickrider
HAHAHAHAAHAH!
IF Barry Bonds used steroids its obvious he didnt take them until 00 or 01 when he got much stronger, so he still was CLEAN at least 90% of his career. And LMAO at you saying all his numbers came with "Steroids" what about when he was a twig in Pittsburg in 1993 and he won his 3rd mvp hitting 46 home runs while Griff only has 1 mvp EVER! Bonds > Griffey always. All I have to say is 700hr/500 sb thats the most amazing thing ever, AMAZING COMBINATION OF SPEED AND POWER! Bonds > Griffey
I said all of Bonds UNREAL stats same during the whole steriod scandal. Griffey easily put up better #'s during the 90's. Bonds never hit over 50 HRs until he took steriods Griffey did that twice during the 90's. And once again Bonds was the best example of a choker until 2002. That was what, nearly 15 years of his career?
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:nawty: Griffey was named the player of the decade for the 90's. His defense and offense in the 90's was better than Bonds. Griffey hit more than 40 HR 6 times in the 90's twice hitting 56. Bond's hit more than 40 HR 3 times in the 90's. Bonds has driven in more than 130 runs only once, never in the 90's. Griffey did it 4 times 3 of the times he drove in at least 140 runs. The only part Bonds was better than Griffey was at running the bases and drawing walks. Had Griffey not been plagued with injuries after he got traded to the Reds we'd be talking about Griffey as possibly the greatest player ever and he'd be chasing Aaron.
Yeah and Griffey never got walked 200 times in a season. Griffey Never led his team to a WORLD Series...oh yeah one more thing...Griffey has missed pasrt of the last 7 years. Oh yeah and Bonds is actually on the field every year for more then half the season! Griffey needs to go get some WET WIPES! HAHAHAHAAHAH!
Griffey never used steroids. All of these unreal Bonds stats all came during the whole steroid situation with Bonds. Bonds was also known one of sports biggest chokers cause he would do absolutly nothing when the playoffs came. He put up horrible numbers until 2002. Stop being such a dickrider
HAHAHAHAAHAH!
IF Barry Bonds used steroids its obvious he didnt take them until 00 or 01 when he got much stronger, so he still was CLEAN at least 90% of his career. And LMAO at you saying all his numbers came with "Steroids" what about when he was a twig in Pittsburg in 1993 and he won his 3rd mvp hitting 46 home runs while Griff only has 1 mvp EVER! Bonds > Griffey always. All I have to say is 700hr/500 sb thats the most amazing thing ever, AMAZING COMBINATION OF SPEED AND POWER! Bonds > Griffey
Exactly and he won 3 mvp's before all the steroid talk. And still had 600 hr's and 400 sb's. Youre the Griffey Dickryder. Oh yeah i bet the steroids made Bonds patient at the plate and gave him ultra quick batspeed. Thats the only argument against Bonds is Steroids. When in Fact it was HGH and i have never seen a positive test have you? So drop it and who knows how many players have taken steroids. bottom line Griffey cant stay on the field MAYBE If he could have he would have been better then Barry but thats a MAYBE! But he has always hurt his vagina and could never stay healthy. And about Bonds choking in the playoffs before 2002 at least he got there more then once. look at the talent Seattle had and JR still couldnt get it done! Thats CHOKING!
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the whole thing is, how can you respect a guy that used steroids?
I mean really...
Basically everyone was doing it, and fuck maybe he didnt really know. He didnt plead the 5th like Mcgwire, he didnt cork his bat like Sosa, he didnt test postive like Palmerio, WHAT ABOUT INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!
let's be real man... and I agree, fuck the other dudes who used it, they are low-down too
bottom line is it's cheating... especially when you're putting on a front about it... it just makes you look like scumbag
this kinda shit doesn't happen to someone who didn't use it, c'mon now
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:nawty: Griffey was named the player of the decade for the 90's. His defense and offense in the 90's was better than Bonds. Griffey hit more than 40 HR 6 times in the 90's twice hitting 56. Bond's hit more than 40 HR 3 times in the 90's. Bonds has driven in more than 130 runs only once, never in the 90's. Griffey did it 4 times 3 of the times he drove in at least 140 runs. The only part Bonds was better than Griffey was at running the bases and drawing walks. Had Griffey not been plagued with injuries after he got traded to the Reds we'd be talking about Griffey as possibly the greatest player ever and he'd be chasing Aaron.
Yeah and Griffey never got walked 200 times in a season. Griffey Never led his team to a WORLD Series...oh yeah one more thing...Griffey has missed pasrt of the last 7 years. Oh yeah and Bonds is actually on the field every year for more then half the season! Griffey needs to go get some WET WIPES! HAHAHAHAAHAH!
Griffey never used steroids. All of these unreal Bonds stats all came during the whole steroid situation with Bonds. Bonds was also known one of sports biggest chokers cause he would do absolutly nothing when the playoffs came. He put up horrible numbers until 2002. Stop being such a dickrider
HAHAHAHAAHAH!
IF Barry Bonds used steroids its obvious he didnt take them until 00 or 01 when he got much stronger, so he still was CLEAN at least 90% of his career. And LMAO at you saying all his numbers came with "Steroids" what about when he was a twig in Pittsburg in 1993 and he won his 3rd mvp hitting 46 home runs while Griff only has 1 mvp EVER! Bonds > Griffey always. All I have to say is 700hr/500 sb thats the most amazing thing ever, AMAZING COMBINATION OF SPEED AND POWER! Bonds > Griffey
I said all of Bonds UNREAL stats same during the whole steriod scandal. Griffey easily put up better #'s during the 90's. Bonds never hit over 50 HRs until he took steriods Griffey did that twice during the 90's. And once again Bonds was the best example of a choker until 2002. That was what, nearly 15 years of his career?
What the Fuck has Griffey ever done in the playoffs? Bonds only had Kent, Griffey had Jay Buhner, Edgar Martinez, Alex Rodriguez, Adam Dunn etc. Give me a break Griffey never made players around him better than Bonds did. Bonds was better in the 90's to. Hehit in a much harder park to hit homers in while the kingdome with Griffey was a sandbox, Bonds was twice the base stealer than Griffey, over Bonds always was and always will be BETTER!
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And here are some #'s to back it up(gotta love the search button :laugh:)
:nawty: Griffey was named the player of the decade for the 90's. His defense and offense in the 90's was better than Bonds. Griffey hit more than 40 HR 6 times in the 90's twice hitting 56. Bond's hit more than 40 HR 3 times in the 90's. Bonds has driven in more than 130 runs only once, never in the 90's. Griffey did it 4 times 3 of the times he drove in at least 140 runs. The only part Bonds was better than Griffey was at running the bases and drawing walks. Had Griffey not been plagued with injuries after he got traded to the Reds we'd be talking about Griffey as possibly the greatest player ever and he'd be chasing Aaron.
Yeah and Griffey never got walked 200 times in a season. Griffey Never led his team to a WORLD Series...oh yeah one more thing...Griffey has missed pasrt of the last 7 years. Oh yeah and Bonds is actually on the field every year for more then half the season! Griffey needs to go get some WET WIPES! HAHAHAHAAHAH!
Griffey never used steroids. All of these unreal Bonds stats all came during the whole steroid situation with Bonds. Bonds was also known one of sports biggest chokers cause he would do absolutly nothing when the playoffs came. He put up horrible numbers until 2002. Stop being such a dickrider
HAHAHAHAAHAH!
IF Barry Bonds used steroids its obvious he didnt take them until 00 or 01 when he got much stronger, so he still was CLEAN at least 90% of his career. And LMAO at you saying all his numbers came with "Steroids" what about when he was a twig in Pittsburg in 1993 and he won his 3rd mvp hitting 46 home runs while Griff only has 1 mvp EVER! Bonds > Griffey always. All I have to say is 700hr/500 sb thats the most amazing thing ever, AMAZING COMBINATION OF SPEED AND POWER! Bonds > Griffey
I said all of Bonds UNREAL stats same during the whole steriod scandal. Griffey easily put up better #'s during the 90's. Bonds never hit over 50 HRs until he took steriods Griffey did that twice during the 90's. And once again Bonds was the best example of a choker until 2002. That was what, nearly 15 years of his career?
what UNREAL stats the only unreal stat was 73 hr's in 2001. And that was before the Roid Talk. he hit 49 in 2000 you idiot. Get your facts straight. So Griffey was better then Bonds cuz he hit 50 twice in the 90's? Well good for him so did Juan Gonzalez, Fuckin Brady Anderson hit 50 hr's in the 90's. You cant win this Griffey argument cuz the fact states he spent half of his career nursing pussy injuries and YOU KNOW IT!
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Griffey and Bonds are never gonna win a WS ;D
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:nawty: Griffey was named the player of the decade for the 90's. His defense and offense in the 90's was better than Bonds. Griffey hit more than 40 HR 6 times in the 90's twice hitting 56. Bond's hit more than 40 HR 3 times in the 90's. Bonds has driven in more than 130 runs only once, never in the 90's. Griffey did it 4 times 3 of the times he drove in at least 140 runs. The only part Bonds was better than Griffey was at running the bases and drawing walks. Had Griffey not been plagued with injuries after he got traded to the Reds we'd be talking about Griffey as possibly the greatest player ever and he'd be chasing Aaron.
Yeah and Griffey never got walked 200 times in a season. Griffey Never led his team to a WORLD Series...oh yeah one more thing...Griffey has missed pasrt of the last 7 years. Oh yeah and Bonds is actually on the field every year for more then half the season! Griffey needs to go get some WET WIPES! HAHAHAHAAHAH!
Griffey never used steroids. All of these unreal Bonds stats all came during the whole steroid situation with Bonds. Bonds was also known one of sports biggest chokers cause he would do absolutly nothing when the playoffs came. He put up horrible numbers until 2002. Stop being such a dickrider
HAHAHAHAAHAH!
IF Barry Bonds used steroids its obvious he didnt take them until 00 or 01 when he got much stronger, so he still was CLEAN at least 90% of his career. And LMAO at you saying all his numbers came with "Steroids" what about when he was a twig in Pittsburg in 1993 and he won his 3rd mvp hitting 46 home runs while Griff only has 1 mvp EVER! Bonds > Griffey always. All I have to say is 700hr/500 sb thats the most amazing thing ever, AMAZING COMBINATION OF SPEED AND POWER! Bonds > Griffey
I said all of Bonds UNREAL stats same during the whole steriod scandal. Griffey easily put up better #'s during the 90's. Bonds never hit over 50 HRs until he took steriods Griffey did that twice during the 90's. And once again Bonds was the best example of a choker until 2002. That was what, nearly 15 years of his career?
what UNREAL stats the only unreal stat was 73 hr's in 2001. And that was before the Roid Talk. he hit 49 in 2000 you idiot. Get your facts straight. So Griffey was better then Bonds cuz he hit 50 twice in the 90's? Well good for him so did Juan Gonzalez, Fuckin Brady Anderson hit 50 hr's in the 90's. You cant win this Griffey argument cuz the fact states he spent half of his career nursing pussy injuries and YOU KNOW IT!
ON POINT!
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:nawty: Griffey was named the player of the decade for the 90's. His defense and offense in the 90's was better than Bonds. Griffey hit more than 40 HR 6 times in the 90's twice hitting 56. Bond's hit more than 40 HR 3 times in the 90's. Bonds has driven in more than 130 runs only once, never in the 90's. Griffey did it 4 times 3 of the times he drove in at least 140 runs. The only part Bonds was better than Griffey was at running the bases and drawing walks. Had Griffey not been plagued with injuries after he got traded to the Reds we'd be talking about Griffey as possibly the greatest player ever and he'd be chasing Aaron.
Yeah and Griffey never got walked 200 times in a season. Griffey Never led his team to a WORLD Series...oh yeah one more thing...Griffey has missed pasrt of the last 7 years. Oh yeah and Bonds is actually on the field every year for more then half the season! Griffey needs to go get some WET WIPES! HAHAHAHAAHAH!
Griffey never used steroids. All of these unreal Bonds stats all came during the whole steroid situation with Bonds. Bonds was also known one of sports biggest chokers cause he would do absolutly nothing when the playoffs came. He put up horrible numbers until 2002. Stop being such a dickrider
HAHAHAHAAHAH!
IF Barry Bonds used steroids its obvious he didnt take them until 00 or 01 when he got much stronger, so he still was CLEAN at least 90% of his career. And LMAO at you saying all his numbers came with "Steroids" what about when he was a twig in Pittsburg in 1993 and he won his 3rd mvp hitting 46 home runs while Griff only has 1 mvp EVER! Bonds > Griffey always. All I have to say is 700hr/500 sb thats the most amazing thing ever, AMAZING COMBINATION OF SPEED AND POWER! Bonds > Griffey
I said all of Bonds UNREAL stats same during the whole steriod scandal. Griffey easily put up better #'s during the 90's. Bonds never hit over 50 HRs until he took steriods Griffey did that twice during the 90's. And once again Bonds was the best example of a choker until 2002. That was what, nearly 15 years of his career?
What the Fuck has Griffey ever done in the playoffs? Bonds only had Kent, Griffey had Jay Buhner, Edgar Martinez, Alex Rodriguez, Adam Dunn etc. Give me a break Griffey never made players around him better than Bonds did. Bonds was better in the 90's to. Hehit in a much harder park to hit homers in while the kingdome with Griffey was a sandbox, Bonds was twice the base stealer than Griffey, over Bonds always was and always will be BETTER!
exaclty the best players in every sport make the players around them better. Bonds got walked so many times in the Playoffs in 2002. Nobody has ever had the impact on a game like Barry roids or not.
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stop quoting each other, lol
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^^ Not our faults that we are both stating the truth
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stop quoting each other, lol
Just trying to make my points. people dick ryde Griffey way to much.
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dick ride? I already said I'm not even a Griffey fan
to me you guys are dick riding Bonds too much
HES A FUCKIN CHEATER HAHAHAHA
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and like I said, all that really matters is neither of them are champions and never will be
BAM!
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And here are some #'s to back it up(gotta love the search button :laugh:)
:nawty: Griffey was named the player of the decade for the 90's. His defense and offense in the 90's was better than Bonds. Griffey hit more than 40 HR 6 times in the 90's twice hitting 56. Bond's hit more than 40 HR 3 times in the 90's. Bonds has driven in more than 130 runs only once, never in the 90's. Griffey did it 4 times 3 of the times he drove in at least 140 runs. The only part Bonds was better than Griffey was at running the bases and drawing walks. Had Griffey not been plagued with injuries after he got traded to the Reds we'd be talking about Griffey as possibly the greatest player ever and he'd be chasing Aaron.
Yeah and Griffey never got walked 200 times in a season. Griffey Never led his team to a WORLD Series...oh yeah one more thing...Griffey has missed pasrt of the last 7 years. Oh yeah and Bonds is actually on the field every year for more then half the season! Griffey needs to go get some WET WIPES! HAHAHAHAAHAH!
Griffey never used steroids. All of these unreal Bonds stats all came during the whole steroid situation with Bonds. Bonds was also known one of sports biggest chokers cause he would do absolutly nothing when the playoffs came. He put up horrible numbers until 2002. Stop being such a dickrider
HAHAHAHAAHAH!
IF Barry Bonds used steroids its obvious he didnt take them until 00 or 01 when he got much stronger, so he still was CLEAN at least 90% of his career. And LMAO at you saying all his numbers came with "Steroids" what about when he was a twig in Pittsburg in 1993 and he won his 3rd mvp hitting 46 home runs while Griff only has 1 mvp EVER! Bonds > Griffey always. All I have to say is 700hr/500 sb thats the most amazing thing ever, AMAZING COMBINATION OF SPEED AND POWER! Bonds > Griffey
Exactly and he won 3 mvp's before all the steroid talk. And still had 600 hr's and 400 sb's. Youre the Griffey Dickryder. Oh yeah i bet the steroids made Bonds patient at the plate and gave him ultra quick batspeed. Thats the only argument against Bonds is Steroids. When in Fact it was HGH and i have never seen a positive test have you? So drop it and who knows how many players have taken steroids. bottom line Griffey cant stay on the field MAYBE If he could have he would have been better then Barry but thats a MAYBE! But he has always hurt his vagina and could never stay healthy. And about Bonds choking in the playoffs before 2002 at least he got there more then once. look at the talent Seattle had and JR still couldnt get it done! Thats CHOKING!
When Griffey made it to the playoffs unlike Bonds he played exceptionally well. LOL at you not seeing a positive test he admitted to taking it "not knowing" THG(which IS a steroid) was a steroid. And I find it funny how I'm supposedly "dickriding" Griffey when you're the one who is getting hurt and talking shit about Griffey. It gives me the feeling that you might actually be a Bonds stan.
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and like I said, all that really matters is neither of them are champions and never will be
BAM!
Good One. Yeah its Bonds Fault they took the bat out his hands in 2002 Series. You Cant dog a player when the other team wont even pitch him. It aint like Baskertball where if MJ or Wade or Bron want the ball at the end of the game there gonna get it. barry has no control in that situation when a team keeps walking him...
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too bad man, it is what it is
Bonds = ZERO championships
plus that's when he was roided up, so whatever stats he woulda put up are cheating numbers anyways
it's a lose-lose for Bonds, dude is a douchebag, and everyone in the world but the Bay Area knows it
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Name a couple of players that Bonds "allegedly" made better? And please don't say Jeff Kent because he has already shown he doesn't need Bonds to put up big #'s.
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And here are some #'s to back it up(gotta love the search button :laugh:)
:nawty: Griffey was named the player of the decade for the 90's. His defense and offense in the 90's was better than Bonds. Griffey hit more than 40 HR 6 times in the 90's twice hitting 56. Bond's hit more than 40 HR 3 times in the 90's. Bonds has driven in more than 130 runs only once, never in the 90's. Griffey did it 4 times 3 of the times he drove in at least 140 runs. The only part Bonds was better than Griffey was at running the bases and drawing walks. Had Griffey not been plagued with injuries after he got traded to the Reds we'd be talking about Griffey as possibly the greatest player ever and he'd be chasing Aaron.
Yeah and Griffey never got walked 200 times in a season. Griffey Never led his team to a WORLD Series...oh yeah one more thing...Griffey has missed pasrt of the last 7 years. Oh yeah and Bonds is actually on the field every year for more then half the season! Griffey needs to go get some WET WIPES! HAHAHAHAAHAH!
Griffey never used steroids. All of these unreal Bonds stats all came during the whole steroid situation with Bonds. Bonds was also known one of sports biggest chokers cause he would do absolutly nothing when the playoffs came. He put up horrible numbers until 2002. Stop being such a dickrider
HAHAHAHAAHAH!
IF Barry Bonds used steroids its obvious he didnt take them until 00 or 01 when he got much stronger, so he still was CLEAN at least 90% of his career. And LMAO at you saying all his numbers came with "Steroids" what about when he was a twig in Pittsburg in 1993 and he won his 3rd mvp hitting 46 home runs while Griff only has 1 mvp EVER! Bonds > Griffey always. All I have to say is 700hr/500 sb thats the most amazing thing ever, AMAZING COMBINATION OF SPEED AND POWER! Bonds > Griffey
Exactly and he won 3 mvp's before all the steroid talk. And still had 600 hr's and 400 sb's. Youre the Griffey Dickryder. Oh yeah i bet the steroids made Bonds patient at the plate and gave him ultra quick batspeed. Thats the only argument against Bonds is Steroids. When in Fact it was HGH and i have never seen a positive test have you? So drop it and who knows how many players have taken steroids. bottom line Griffey cant stay on the field MAYBE If he could have he would have been better then Barry but thats a MAYBE! But he has always hurt his vagina and could never stay healthy. And about Bonds choking in the playoffs before 2002 at least he got there more then once. look at the talent Seattle had and JR still couldnt get it done! Thats CHOKING!
When Griffey made it to the playoffs unlike Bonds he played exceptionally well. LOL at you not seeing a positive test he admitted to taking it "not knowing" THG(which IS a steroid) was a steroid. And I find it funny how I'm supposedly "dickriding" Griffey when you're the one who is getting hurt and talking shit about Griffey. It gives me the feeling that you might actually be a Bonds stan.
Alright Dogg....A stan huh? ::) Nonetheless Bonds still Greater then Griffey
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let me say it ONE MORE TIME
BARRY BONDS USED STEROIDS! THEN HE LIED ABOUT IT!
THEN HE CRIED ABOUT IT! NOW HE HIDES FROM IT!
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Name a couple of players that Bonds "allegedly" made better? And please don't say Jeff Kent because he has already shown he doesn't need Bonds to put up big #'s.
you got to be kidding me man, Just all the times he got walked set up Rbi situations for every one around him. How about Rich Aurillia 39 hrs in 2001 batting in Front of Bonds....nuff said....Whats Rich Aurillia done since????
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let me say it ONE MORE TIME
BARRY BONDS USED STEROIDS! THEN HE LIED ABOUT IT!
THEN HE CRIED ABOUT IT! NOW HE HIDES FROM IT!
he hides? Define hiding from it? Whats he supposed be in the courtroom everyday? hes a baseball player im guessing he gotta be with his team you jackass.
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That was one year where he put up big #'s. He didn't do much before or after 2001. That's the same shit Beltre did. Lots of players have had one big year. This is baseball, not basketball, football or any other team oriented in which a player CAN make his teamattes better.
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That was one year where he put up big #'s. He didn't do much before or after 2001. That's the same shit Beltre did. Lots of players have had one big year. This is baseball, not basketball, football or any other team oriented in which a player CAN make his teamattes better.
I agree its not football or basketball but Bonds made the people around him better or affected them better then anyone else in baseball. All im saying is all the times he got walked and how sacred people were to face him changed the game...Perfect example in 98 Buck Showalter walked Bonds with Bases loaded in the bot of the 9th down by 2 runs cuz he didnt want to face Bonds. So he gave up a run just to avoid Barry and this was well before the roids came up, he was always feared and always had a huge impact on everything around him
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let me say it ONE MORE TIME
BARRY BONDS USED STEROIDS! THEN HE LIED ABOUT IT!
THEN HE CRIED ABOUT IT! NOW HE HIDES FROM IT!
he hides? Define hiding from it? Whats he supposed be in the courtroom everyday? hes a baseball player im guessing he gotta be with his team you jackass.
woa woa, no need for name calling, I think you're an alright guy buddy, relax
he hides from it cuz he doesn't talk about it.... someone who didn't fuckin use steroids would be on a crazy spree
I'd be fuckin goin crazy if someone lied about that shit, I'd be lookin everyone in the eye yellin at 'em about how I didn't use 'em
someone up against that large of a life tainting situation wouldnt take it in stride and avoid it, let's be honest
you'd be hitting people with lawsuits left and right, you and I both know we know when someone is telling the truth
just stop putting on a front and admit the guy took the god damn shit
I understand your a fan, but swallow your pride for once and be a real person about it, it's plain as day what a jerk this guy is
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Barry Bonds Total WARP in the 1990s- 113.1
Ken Griffey Jr Total WARP in the 1990s- 80.4
WARP is Wins Above Replacement Player
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let me say it ONE MORE TIME
BARRY BONDS USED STEROIDS! THEN HE LIED ABOUT IT!
THEN HE CRIED ABOUT IT! NOW HE HIDES FROM IT!
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he hides? Define hiding from it? Whats he supposed be in the courtroom everyday? hes a baseball player im guessing he gotta be with his team you jackass.
woa woa, no need for name calling, I think you're an alright guy buddy, relax
he hides from it cuz he doesn't talk about it.... someone who didn't fuckin use steroids would be on a crazy spree
I'd be fuckin goin crazy if someone lied about that shit, I'd be lookin everyone in the eye yellin at 'em about how I didn't use 'em
someone up against that large of a life tainting situation wouldnt take it in stride and avoid it, let's be honest
you'd be hitting people with lawsuits left and right, you and I both know we know when someone is telling the truth
just stop putting on a front and admit the guy took the god damn shit
I understand your a fan, but swallow your pride for once and be a real person about it, it's plain as day what a jerk this guy is
I can admit that he used them cuz he probably did. Just like OJ probably Killed his wife, But he innocent right? Point Being Until you get POSITIVE TEST leave the dude alone. its a witch hunt and its getting out of hand NOW you swallow your pride and admit that! yeah he probably took them but he still GREAT
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Barry Bonds Total WARP in the 1990s- 113.1
Ken Griffey Jr Total WARP in the 1990s- 80.4
WARP is Wins Above Replacement Player
HUH?
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He WAS great, now he's a disgrace
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Barry Bonds Total WARP in the 1990s- 113.1
Ken Griffey Jr Total WARP in the 1990s- 80.4
WARP is Wins Above Replacement Player
HUH?
I'm showing why Bonds was better than Griffey in the 90s
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let me say it ONE MORE TIME
BARRY BONDS USED STEROIDS! THEN HE LIED ABOUT IT!
THEN HE CRIED ABOUT IT! NOW HE HIDES FROM IT!
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he hides? Define hiding from it? Whats he supposed be in the courtroom everyday? hes a baseball player im guessing he gotta be with his team you jackass.
woa woa, no need for name calling, I think you're an alright guy buddy, relax
he hides from it cuz he doesn't talk about it.... someone who didn't fuckin use steroids would be on a crazy spree
I'd be fuckin goin crazy if someone lied about that shit, I'd be lookin everyone in the eye yellin at 'em about how I didn't use 'em
someone up against that large of a life tainting situation wouldnt take it in stride and avoid it, let's be honest
you'd be hitting people with lawsuits left and right, you and I both know we know when someone is telling the truth
just stop putting on a front and admit the guy took the god damn shit
I understand your a fan, but swallow your pride for once and be a real person about it, it's plain as day what a jerk this guy is
I can admit that he used them cuz he probably did. Just like OJ probably Killed his wife, But he innocent right? Point Being Until you get POSITIVE TEST leave the dude alone. its a witch hunt and its getting out of hand NOW you swallow your pride and admit that! yeah he probably took them but he still GREAT
oh but that's where you're wrong, I've always said Bonds is a great player, I never denied it
my whole argument is that he used steroids so that diminishes his legend, that's all
he cheated, so therefore how can you look at the legend in the same way?
you get what I'm saying?
I never said he sucked or anything.... he's one of the greatest players ever
but the fact he fucked up and people caught him for it, it just shows what a coward and cheater he is
therefore, why should I respect him and praise his stats?
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let me say it ONE MORE TIME
BARRY BONDS USED STEROIDS! THEN HE LIED ABOUT IT!
THEN HE CRIED ABOUT IT! NOW HE HIDES FROM IT!
!
he hides? Define hiding from it? Whats he supposed be in the courtroom everyday? hes a baseball player im guessing he gotta be with his team you jackass.
woa woa, no need for name calling, I think you're an alright guy buddy, relax
he hides from it cuz he doesn't talk about it.... someone who didn't fuckin use steroids would be on a crazy spree
I'd be fuckin goin crazy if someone lied about that shit, I'd be lookin everyone in the eye yellin at 'em about how I didn't use 'em
someone up against that large of a life tainting situation wouldnt take it in stride and avoid it, let's be honest
you'd be hitting people with lawsuits left and right, you and I both know we know when someone is telling the truth
just stop putting on a front and admit the guy took the god damn shit
I understand your a fan, but swallow your pride for once and be a real person about it, it's plain as day what a jerk this guy is
I can admit that he used them cuz he probably did. Just like OJ probably Killed his wife, But he innocent right? Point Being Until you get POSITIVE TEST leave the dude alone. its a witch hunt and its getting out of hand NOW you swallow your pride and admit that! yeah he probably took them but he still GREAT
oh but that's where you're wrong, I've always said Bonds is a great player, I never denied it
my whole argument is that he used steroids so that diminishes his legend, that's all
he cheated, so therefore how can you look at the legend in the same way?
you get what I'm saying?
I never said he sucked or anything.... he's one of the greatest players ever
but the fact he fucked up and people caught him for it, it just shows what a coward and cheater he is
therefore, why should I respect him and praise his stats?
No i was saying suck up your pride and admit this whole Bonds steriod thing is a WITCH HUNT! Dont praise Bonds i dont care, But IMO he is better then Griffey and thats where this whole argument started! And why Should I praise a guy that cant make it threw a full Season?