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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Don Breezio on August 20, 2006, 11:29:52 AM
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Props On Having Elliot Smith in your avatar
for the rest of you who don't know who Elliot Smith is...he's an incredible indie artist who killed himself a few years ago due to severe depression...he made 6 or 7 amazing cds. you should all check them out
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Props On Having Elliot Smith in your avatar
for the rest of you who don't know who Elliot Smith is...he's an incredible indie artist who killed himself a few years ago due to severe depression...he made 6 or 7 amazing cds. you should all check them out
hmmm
Conor Oberst>>>>Elliot Smith
both are dope tho.
I love figure 8.
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Conor Oberst? from bright eyes?
I definitely don't agree...but to each his own
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Ive heard good things about his music but haven't checked alot of it out yet. Recommend something please.
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I personally like his XO album....sweet adeline and waltz #1 are my favorite tracks
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Conor Oberst? from bright eyes?
I definitely don't agree...but to each his own
Conor Oberst IS Bright Eyes
IMO elliot Smith can get toooo emo at points, I feel Bright Eyes has a good blend in the albums besides Conor's a better musician, but yea to each his own.
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Seriously, how can a person be 'Emo'?
Emo means 'Emotionaly charged Hardcore Punk' so unless Elliot Smith was a genre of punk music then he can't be emo.
And please don't say something about MCR being Emo because that just as bad as saying JKwon is Gangsta Rap.
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bright eyes is dope as fuck, i was listening to him today, i only like his acoustic shit, some of the "band" stuff is too country sounding... but bright eyes in genral is depressing as fuck to listen to
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The fact that you just called elliott smith emo blows my mind...you obviously do not know what emo actually is
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The fact that you just called elliott smith emo blows my mind...you obviously do not know what emo actually is
Neither do i, someone give me examples of emo?
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The fact that you just called elliott smith emo blows my mind...you obviously do not know what emo actually is
Neither do i, someone give me examples of emo?
emo is stuff like my chemical romance (this is sort of borderline...they make some decent music), good charlotte, yellowcard, hit the lights, new found glory, dashboard confessional, etc...all the shit where 90% of what they sing about is their girlfriends breaking up with them and their parents hating them...
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^ wat are the albums in your sig.
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The fact that you just called elliott smith emo blows my mind...you obviously do not know what emo actually is
Neither do i, someone give me examples of emo?
emo is stuff like my chemical romance (this is sort of borderline...they make some decent music), good charlotte, yellowcard, hit the lights, new found glory, dashboard confessional, etc...all the shit where 90% of what they sing about is their girlfriends breaking up with them and their parents hating them...
Is it fuck man, Emo is Embrace, Rites Of Spring, Moss Icon, Sunny Day Real Estate, Pedro The Lion ect.
Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo_%28music%29
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With Dashboard Confessional and Jimmy Eat World's success, major labels began seeking out similar sounding bands. Just as Nirvana, Pearl Jam, and the other Seattle scene bands of the early 1990s were unwillingly lumped into the genre "grunge", some record labels wanted to be able to market a new sound under the word emo.
Correctly or not, emo has often been used to describe such bands as AFI, Alexisonfire, A Static Lullaby, Brand New, Coheed and Cambria, Fall Out Boy, Finch, From Autumn to Ashes, From First to Last, Funeral for a Friend, Hawthorne Heights, Matchbook Romance, My Chemical Romance, Panic! At the Disco, Silverstein, Something Corporate, The Starting Line, Taking Back Sunday, The Used, Thrice, and Thursday. The classification of bands as "emo" is often controversial. Fans of several of the aforementioned bands have recoiled at the use of the "emo" tag, and have gone to great lengths to explain why they don't qualify as "emo". In many cases, the term has simply been attached to them because of musical similarites, a common fashion sense, or because of the band's popularity within the "emo" scene, not because the band adheres to emo as a music genre. (The revulsion of some bands from the term emo is not unlike the retreat from the genre by the bands in the indie emo scene near the end of the 90s.)
that kind of stuff is not emo...its indie...that would be like saying sufjan stevens is emo or damien rice is emo...this thing had emo pretty much wrong....some of this stuff they listed is emo...like dashboard, mcr, starting line, taking back sunday, matchbook romance, etc...
but at the same time this thing has no idea what its talking about with most of these...coheed & cambria (one of my favorite bands of all time) is so far from emo its not even funny...they are very hard core...they scream quite often...and they sing about things like killing babies (yes thats right). Also stuff like thursday...DEFINITELY not emo...thursday is very much so screamo/punk
if you want a little better idea of emo...think about where you would see this dude:
(http://xf9.xanga.com/9efa617379c3238035659/b13757008.jpg)
you definitely wouldn't see him hanging around a sunny day real estate show...you'd see him with 3 or 4 more emo buddies of his at a my chemical romance show or a taking back sunday show
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^ wat are the albums in your sig.
i changed my sig so i'm not sure which ones you're referring too...if its the ones now then from left to right they are:
Scary Kids Scaring Kids - The City Sleeps In Flames
The Matches - Decomposer
The Decemberists - Her Majesty The Decemberists
Heavens - Patent Pending
If its what i had before it was
Sufjan Stevens - The Avalanche
Sufjan Stevens - Michigan
Sufjan Stevens - Illinoise
Damien Rice - O
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You're putting emo into a category of rock music all its own, while those other bands are kind of emo, Elliot Smith definitely fits in, not because hes acoustic but because of his content. Its not just about breaking up with a girlfriend or something and the tempo of the music does not have any bearing on what emo is. While i based on lyrical content you based on sound. Dont say I dont know emo, just say we have different opinions on what emo is.
and I fuckin hate the term indie. I heard a girl call Deathcab indie punk last week and I wanted to choke the shit out of her. >:(
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Wiki is not wrong, look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunny_Day_Real_Estate http://www.last.fm/music/Sunny+Day+Real+Estate
Emo is a subgenre of hardcore punk music.
Emo is hardcore, it evolved into it. And SDRE evolved into a fusion of Emo & Indie.
Most of what is called Emo now and is popular was called that by record labels the same way they jump on every other trend, the same way more people think hip-hop is 50 Cent rather than Grandmaster Flash.
Also you said C&C sing about killing babies, well hardcore bands don't do that and screamo is basically real emo but more chaotic and dissonant.
What you think is emo is basically pop-punk but with some more straightforward indie/rock influences. ie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matchbook_Romance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starting_Line
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LMAO...dude you're putting a definition to emo...do you have any idea about emo? do you have emo friends? do you listen to emo music? no...I DO....all of my friends are very punk/emo
www.myspace.com/lastditchremedy (those guys are my best friends are the emoist mf's i've met in a long time)
how can you lump something into a genre like emo and then say indie isn't a genre....indie is more of a genre! it means independent as in independent record labels....emo has nothing to do with that kind of stuff...just because its punk music other than bad religion or the ramones doesn't make it emo. punk evolves just like rap and r&b evolve.
you can't put a encyclopedia definition to emo. emo is a lifestyle, its a musical genre, and its a mindset. its not some old early 90's shitty rock bands
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LMAO...dude you're putting a definition to emo...do you have any idea about emo? do you have emo friends? do you listen to emo music? no...I DO....all of my friends are very punk/emo
www.myspace.com/lastditchremedy (those guys are my best friends are the emoist mf's i've met in a long time)
how can you lump something into a genre like emo and then say indie isn't a genre....indie is more of a genre! it means independent as in independent record labels....emo has nothing to do with that kind of stuff...just because its punk music other than bad religion or the ramones doesn't make it emo. punk evolves just like rap and r&b evolve.
you can't put a encyclopedia definition to emo. emo is a lifestyle, its a musical genre, and its a mindset. its not some old early 90's shitty rock bands
I have "Emo" friends as you call em, we're from a different breed, emo is a newer term for scenesters and its all the same thing, the whole point of an indie label is contradictory to itself independent artist should not have a label and tis not a style of music.
no garage band sits down and says we want to sound really independent how? it doesnt happen. You're saying emo only applies to straight-edge hardcore and power-pop punk dont say I cant put a definition on it then turn around and do it yourself, hypocrite why cant something softer be emo?
I register bright eyes and Elliot smith as emo/folk/indie but i guess its wrong cuz your friends with hair covering their left eye doesnt listen to it. emo is more than you power-pop garbage sighting good charlotte and jimmy eat world. its gotta be real from real EMOTION i.e. Elliot Smith :-*
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LOL at all of this arguing and kill hasnt even posted in the thread dedicated to him.
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lmao @ you saying independent is contradictory...independent doesn't mean that they shouldn't have a record label...an independent record label is one that isn't funded by anything but its own artists...for instance...
Aftermath is the parent company of shady records
cake records is its own shit...nothing else...thats an indie label
and its artists are indie artists
you just said you classify bright eyes and elliot smith as emo/folk/indie....but right before you said indie isn't a style of music....so who's being contradictory now?
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did u delete your account over this?
I have rough cuts of both artists before signing when they were independent, not a style, but a classification.
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Aftermath is the parent company of shady records
no its a sister company, interscope is the parent
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Indie is a style of music, it is rather broad though.
But the word is still also used to describe independant lables.
As much as I agree with what KidRenegade is saying about it being more than just JEW and GC. there is a difrence between Emo and Emotional, you could argue that all music is emotional.
Emo is Emotional Hardcore.
http://fourfa.com/
and once again
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo_%28music%29
And Emo is not necessarily straight edge but the members can be......I'm straight edge.
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EMO IS LAME AS FUCK ANYWAYS
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How about we just call it Rock and Roll and leave it at that?
Who's the guy that wanted to hear Elliott Smith stuff? I have like 6 or 7 albums.