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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: d-nice on September 01, 2006, 10:48:05 AM
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http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?f=The+Billboard+200&pageNumber=Top+51-100&g=Albums
1st 40 water now Cube. 2nd half of 06 is shaping up to be nice for the west
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congrats to cube.
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nice
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it's deserved, that's a dope album 8)
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Congrats Cube, you got my contribution.
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8)
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Props to Cube...there is in arcitle in Forbes or one of those business magazines that has a whole piece about Cube and this album. Basically they are talking about how big of a power move it was for Cube to rls this album independently and how he is making twice as much money as anyone in the industry right now.
Honestly tho, cool on the gold plaque but fukka soundscan.....this album is great start to finish regardless if it sold 1 album or 100,000,000! Thats real talk. The fact he said fuck a major deal and went independent to still move 500,000 should be applauded. That is a huge power move.
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Cube has definitely shown the hip hop industry how you gotta handle your business. Alot of these artists are going on a label like Koch and are not working it to their advantage. Granted most rappers do not have the financial bank that Cube has but you gotta advertise and promote, not just throw a date out there and hope is sells. Cube was promoting the album for 8 months.
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Thats good for Cube. But I think a lot of you who are saying independent is the way too go are being a little short sighted. An artist can make more money per unit independent but wont get hardly anything for shows and wont be doing many shows. An artist on a major who makes much less per unit but sells way more units will have a larger fan base, get waaaaayy more money for shows, and will be doing way more shows than an indie artist. Look at it like this:
Indie artist - 100,000 units (highly successful for an indie release) x $5 per unit =$500,000
+ 10 shows at 5,000 a show = $50,000
grand total - $550,000
major artist 2,000,000 units x .40 a unit = $800,000
plus 20 shows at $20,000 a show = $400,000
grand total = $1,200,000
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^^^Well said. Indie is not for everyone and you have got to get your hustle on for promoting.
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Good News
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Thats good for Cube. But I think a lot of you who are saying independent is the way too go are being a little short sighted. An artist can make more money per unit independent but wont get hardly anything for shows and wont be doing many shows. An artist on a major who makes much less per unit but sells way more units will have a larger fan base, get waaaaayy more money for shows, and will be doing way more shows than an indie artist. Look at it like this:
Indie artist - 100,000 units (highly successful for an indie release) x $5 per unit =$500,000
+ 10 shows at 5,000 a show = $50,000
grand total - $550,000
major artist 2,000,000 units x .40 a unit = $800,000
plus 20 shows at $20,000 a show = $400,000
grand total = $1,200,000
According to WC in the DubCNN interview, Cube made $9 a pop. ($4,500,000 in total.)
But whatever money he made - congrats to Cube anyway! 8) :cheers: :raisetheroof: :cow: :banana:
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Thats good for Cube. But I think a lot of you who are saying independent is the way too go are being a little short sighted. An artist can make more money per unit independent but wont get hardly anything for shows and wont be doing many shows. An artist on a major who makes much less per unit but sells way more units will have a larger fan base, get waaaaayy more money for shows, and will be doing way more shows than an indie artist. Look at it like this:
Indie artist - 100,000 units (highly successful for an indie release) x $5 per unit =$500,000
+ 10 shows at 5,000 a show = $50,000
grand total - $550,000
major artist 2,000,000 units x .40 a unit = $800,000
plus 20 shows at $20,000 a show = $400,000
grand total = $1,200,000
the average major artist is not selling 2 million
they are struggling to go gold now a days
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Props to Cube...there is in arcitle in Forbes or one of those business magazines that has a whole piece about Cube and this album. Basically they are talking about how big of a power move it was for Cube to rls this album independently and how he is making twice as much money as anyone in the industry right now.
Honestly tho, cool on the gold plaque but fukka soundscan.....this album is great start to finish regardless if it sold 1 album or 100,000,000! Thats real talk. The fact he said fuck a major deal and went independent to still move 500,000 should be applauded. That is a huge power move.
Yep
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Thats good for Cube. But I think a lot of you who are saying independent is the way too go are being a little short sighted. An artist can make more money per unit independent but wont get hardly anything for shows and wont be doing many shows. An artist on a major who makes much less per unit but sells way more units will have a larger fan base, get waaaaayy more money for shows, and will be doing way more shows than an indie artist. Look at it like this:
Indie artist - 100,000 units (highly successful for an indie release) x $5 per unit =$500,000
+ 10 shows at 5,000 a show = $50,000
grand total - $550,000
major artist 2,000,000 units x .40 a unit = $800,000
plus 20 shows at $20,000 a show = $400,000
grand total = $1,200,000
the average major artist is not selling 2 million
they are struggling to go gold now a days
the average indie artist is struggling to push 10,000. based on the formula I used earlier thats about $50,000 + free drinks at the bar for performing at any small venue that will let you perform.
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Thats good for Cube. But I think a lot of you who are saying independent is the way too go are being a little short sighted. An artist can make more money per unit independent but wont get hardly anything for shows and wont be doing many shows. An artist on a major who makes much less per unit but sells way more units will have a larger fan base, get waaaaayy more money for shows, and will be doing way more shows than an indie artist. Look at it like this:
Indie artist - 100,000 units (highly successful for an indie release) x $5 per unit =$500,000
+ 10 shows at 5,000 a show = $50,000
grand total - $550,000
major artist 2,000,000 units x .40 a unit = $800,000
plus 20 shows at $20,000 a show = $400,000
grand total = $1,200,000
According to WC in the DubCNN interview, Cube made $9 a pop. ($4,500,000 in total.)
But whatever money he made - congrats to Cube anyway! 8) :cheers: :raisetheroof: :cow: :banana:
yup. the only reason I made that post about anything other than Cube is becase a lot of people seem to think that being indie automatically gets you more money.
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Good for him. Well deserved. Great album, and good to see it go gold. Cube should be goin platinum tho. This album, Westside Connection's album & War & Peace Vol.2 all went gold. Don't get me wrong that's a great accomplishment, but it feels like the quality of music on those albums (I no some will argue War & Peace) is platinum quality.
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^True. but Cube has been around for longer than most current rap fans have been alive and rap fans in general got a short ass attention span. "They'll have a new nigga next year."
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Yea true. I wanna see if Yung Joc, D4L, DFB, have a long lasting career like Cube. Shit, I'll be suprised if there around in 2 years :laugh:
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congrats to cube.
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Yea true. I wanna see if Yung Joc, D4L, DFB, have a long lasting career like Cube. Shit, I'll be suprised if there around in 2 years :laugh:
damn, i almost forgot about them, why you gotta bring them up again?? props to Cube though
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congrats to Cube! Smoke Some Weeed! 8) 8)
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I was one of those that brought the album. Props to Cube.
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Yea true. I wanna see if Yung Joc, D4L, DFB, have a long lasting career like Cube. Shit, I'll be suprised if there around in 2 years :laugh:
Young Joc is with Puffy.....none of Puff's artists last lol
The other two are just a fad, they're gone.
Congrats to Cube. This is big for him.
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Congrats to Cube, I'm proud to have been one of the cats that supported him by buying this record. Yeah, it could've gone Platinum, but it's still impressive when you consider that his last two albums (2nd volume of "War & Peace" and WSCG's "Terrorist Threats") both went Gold on majors. Going indy was probably a good idea for him considering his financial pull these days, as well as the fact he probably would've gone Gold on a major label, too.
West, West y'all.
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Thats good for Cube. But I think a lot of you who are saying independent is the way too go are being a little short sighted. An artist can make more money per unit independent but wont get hardly anything for shows and wont be doing many shows. An artist on a major who makes much less per unit but sells way more units will have a larger fan base, get waaaaayy more money for shows, and will be doing way more shows than an indie artist. Look at it like this:
Indie artist - 100,000 units (highly successful for an indie release) x $5 per unit =$500,000
+ 10 shows at 5,000 a show = $50,000
grand total - $550,000
major artist 2,000,000 units x .40 a unit = $800,000
plus 20 shows at $20,000 a show = $400,000
grand total = $1,200,000
Don't agree with this. For example...Ice Cube would not have sold 2mill no matter what major he was on. If he was on a major and played regularly he would maybe do about 200,000 more at the most...from where he's at currently. Also you doubled the amount of shows from 10 independent to 20 on a major. Keep it even. If Eminem goes the independent route right now i guarantee he will pocket more then he would being with Aftermath and get the same amount for his shows as you say a major would.
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Thats good for Cube. But I think a lot of you who are saying independent is the way too go are being a little short sighted. An artist can make more money per unit independent but wont get hardly anything for shows and wont be doing many shows. An artist on a major who makes much less per unit but sells way more units will have a larger fan base, get waaaaayy more money for shows, and will be doing way more shows than an indie artist. Look at it like this:
Indie artist - 100,000 units (highly successful for an indie release) x $5 per unit =$500,000
+ 10 shows at 5,000 a show = $50,000
grand total - $550,000
major artist 2,000,000 units x .40 a unit = $800,000
plus 20 shows at $20,000 a show = $400,000
grand total = $1,200,000
Don't agree with this. For example...Ice Cube would not have sold 2mill no matter what major he was on. If he was on a major and played regularly he would maybe do about 200,000 more at the most...from where he's at currently. Also you doubled the amount of shows from 10 independent to 20 on a major. Keep it even. If Eminem goes the independent route right now i guarantee he will pocket more then he would being with Aftermath and get the same amount for his shows as you say a major would.
Not only that, if it cost $1,500,000 to put the record out including expensive marketing campaigns and paying for expensive producers and guest appearances to get the mass appeal and the rapper only made $800,000 on it, he'd be in the hole $700,000 to the label.
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Thats good for Cube. But I think a lot of you who are saying independent is the way too go are being a little short sighted. An artist can make more money per unit independent but wont get hardly anything for shows and wont be doing many shows. An artist on a major who makes much less per unit but sells way more units will have a larger fan base, get waaaaayy more money for shows, and will be doing way more shows than an indie artist. Look at it like this:
Indie artist - 100,000 units (highly successful for an indie release) x $5 per unit =$500,000
+ 10 shows at 5,000 a show = $50,000
grand total - $550,000
major artist 2,000,000 units x .40 a unit = $800,000
plus 20 shows at $20,000 a show = $400,000
grand total = $1,200,000
Don't agree with this. For example...Ice Cube would not have sold 2mill no matter what major he was on. If he was on a major and played regularly he would maybe do about 200,000 more at the most...from where he's at currently. Also you doubled the amount of shows from 10 independent to 20 on a major. Keep it even. If Eminem goes the independent route right now i guarantee he will pocket more then he would being with Aftermath and get the same amount for his shows as you say a major would.
Cube probably wouldnt have sold 2 mil, but I wasn't necesarrilly talkin about Cube, just in general terms. And the number of shows doubled with the major artist for a reason. You think a guy who goes 2x platinum is gonna be doing the same amount of shows as a guy who goes gold? Again, I wasnt talking about any particular artist, just general terms.
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Thats good for Cube. But I think a lot of you who are saying independent is the way too go are being a little short sighted. An artist can make more money per unit independent but wont get hardly anything for shows and wont be doing many shows. An artist on a major who makes much less per unit but sells way more units will have a larger fan base, get waaaaayy more money for shows, and will be doing way more shows than an indie artist. Look at it like this:
Indie artist - 100,000 units (highly successful for an indie release) x $5 per unit =$500,000
+ 10 shows at 5,000 a show = $50,000
grand total - $550,000
major artist 2,000,000 units x .40 a unit = $800,000
plus 20 shows at $20,000 a show = $400,000
grand total = $1,200,000
Don't agree with this. For example...Ice Cube would not have sold 2mill no matter what major he was on. If he was on a major and played regularly he would maybe do about 200,000 more at the most...from where he's at currently. Also you doubled the amount of shows from 10 independent to 20 on a major. Keep it even. If Eminem goes the independent route right now i guarantee he will pocket more then he would being with Aftermath and get the same amount for his shows as you say a major would.
Not only that, if it cost $1,500,000 to put the record out including expensive marketing campaigns and paying for expensive producers and guest appearances to get the mass appeal and the rapper only made $800,000 on it, he'd be in the hole $700,000 to the label.
True, but thats only IF the record actually cost that much to record and IF he only made 800,000. If he got a better deal, like the one Xzibit had on Restless, he would be getting somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.50 a unit, which in a double platinum scenario would be 3,000,000. Subtract the 1,500,000 for recoupment and your still left with 1,500,000 plus way more show money and endorsement deals, movies, etc simply based on the fact that people with more fans generate more revenue.