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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on September 03, 2006, 05:09:43 AM
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Hulk Hogan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa0liaS0ckA
This Hogan/Andre match would have been even better than WMIII. Add a slam and leg drop, and you have MotY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gA_U3NIs24
clips with Andre vs. Hansen to start, but HOGAN OFF THE TOP ROPE!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj2gBL0UE4U
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I've never really liked HH, he was boring as fuck.
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I've never really liked HH, he was boring as fuck.
just watch the videos... See Hogan use chain wrestling, top rope axe handles, and totally ENRAGE a younger, more athletic Andre the Giant.
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Jimmy "Fly" Snuka, the best ever baby! 8)
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Not the greatest wrestler by a long shot
An average wrestler at best -
What he is though is perhaps the greatest entertainer with the most charisma and is the biggest ever draw in wrestling
He has been carried by far superior wrestlers - like Hansen, Di Biase, Savage - in his best matches
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Not the greatest wrestler by a long shot
An average wrestler at best -
What he is though is perhaps the greatest entertainer with the most charisma and is the biggest ever draw in wrestling
He has been carried by far superior wrestlers - like Hansen, Di Biase, Savage - in his best matches
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yip great entertainer but the guy knew like 4 wrestling moves.
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yip great entertainer but the guy knew like 4 wrestling moves.
did you watch the videos. Watch Andre/Hogan from Japan, the opening to the first one was classic.
People are all critics, without watching evidence. If Hogan wrestled like this in America, Hulkamania would have took off with the Flair/Hart lovers too.
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when it comes to mic skills and charisma that's has been the rock
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Professional Wrestling is entirely, 100% about putting on a good show. Nobody has ever done that better than Hulk Hogan, Period. He is the greatest professional wrestler of all time, everyone else is standing in his shadow, and most of them are bitching about it. Hogan is such an incredible performer he can do 3 moves in a match and have the crowd screaming his name, children crying, and men getting his image tattoo'd on their back. He is such an incredible performer mere mortals often can't comprehend his greatness, this thread is a good example. Ric Flair cannot carry Hulk Hogan's boots to the ring; Ric Flair knows this, and consistantly jobs to Hulk Hogan anytime he's required to. Randy Savage was 1 third the pro wrestler Hulk Hogan is today, when Randy was in his prime.
Now if you want to talk about Athletes, Randy Savage is 3 times the athlete Hogan is. We're not talking about that. If you want to talk about wrestlers, Randy Savage could wrestle circles around Hulk Hogan. We're not talking about that either.
We're talking about a man excelling at his craft, in his arena (literally!) nobody has ever even came close to Hogan's longevity, his charisma, and the sheer love and adoration the fans have for him. NOBODY. He will go down in history not only as the greatest of all time, but in 100 years people will talk about him like he was a god and could never have actually existed.
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Professional Wrestling is entirely, 100% about putting on a good show. Nobody has ever done that better than Hulk Hogan, Period. He is the greatest professional wrestler of all time, everyone else is standing in his shadow, and most of them are bitching about it. Hogan is such an incredible performer he can do 3 moves in a match and have the crowd screaming his name, children crying, and men getting his image tattoo'd on their back. He is such an incredible performer mere mortals often can't comprehend his greatness, this thread is a good example. Ric Flair cannot carry Hulk Hogan's boots to the ring; Ric Flair knows this, and consistantly jobs to Hulk Hogan anytime he's required to. Randy Savage was 1 third the pro wrestler Hulk Hogan is today, when Randy was in his prime.
Now if you want to talk about Athletes, Randy Savage is 3 times the athlete Hogan is. We're not talking about that. If you want to talk about wrestlers, Randy Savage could wrestle circles around Hulk Hogan. We're not talking about that either.
We're talking about a man excelling at his craft, in his arena (literally!) nobody has ever even came close to Hogan's longevity, his charisma, and the sheer love and adoration the fans have for him. NOBODY. He will go down in history not only as the greatest of all time, but in 100 years people will talk about him like he was a god and could never have actually existed.
Spot on! Has he been inducted into the Hall of Fame yet?
lol@ Superfly Snuka........go the fijians.
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Jimmy "Fly" Snuka, the best ever baby! 8)
LOL Sucka you a Fiji hindu? :D
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yip great entertainer but the guy knew like 4 wrestling moves.
did you watch the videos. Watch Andre/Hogan from Japan, the opening to the first one was classic.
People are all critics, without watching evidence. If Hogan wrestled like this in America, Hulkamania would have took off with the Flair/Hart lovers too.
I've seen dozens og Hogan matches from Japan and while he was much better there than his US work he's far from amazing, or great. He was good at best. He could be carried very well and have great matches with amazing wrestlers but when he had to do the carrying the match was never better than pretty good. Comparing his inring ability to someone like Harley Race, Jumbo Tsuruta, or Ric Flair is ridiculous. These guys could keep fans on the esge of their seats for an hour long match. Hogan could never do that. He shines only in short matches. Hogan/Bundy was 10 minutes. Hoga/Andre was 12 minutes. Hogan/Savage was 18 minutes but completely rehearesed and scripted. Hogan/Warrior was over 20 at 22 minutes and his only great long WWF match. His next 20 plus minute match with Slaughter sucked. These were his long matches. Race and Flair would do hour marathons on house shows and draw with the local champ to put them over.
There is also another side to it; making other wrestlers. Flair and Race have made dozens of second rate wrestlers look like stars, and made a bunch of good wreslters into superstars. Sting and David Flair were both made in one night. Who has Hogan made? Warrior? Warrior was already huge and actually ended up worse after beating Hogan. Kiddman? I don't think so. Even as a heel Hogan never made anyone a star.
He's a great star and a huge part of the business and did everything he was supposed to do. As usual Trauma goes a bit overboard. Hogan will be as popular in 2106 as Jack Dempsey is today, but for the historians Hogan will always be a huge part of a big boom in wrestling history and won't be forgotten. If Mickey Mantle or Joe DiMaggio are only slightly remebered by today's pop cutlure then Hogan stands no chance in 100 years.
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Hulk is the greatest entertainer in pro wrestling easily. Better than The Rock, better than Austin, even better than Flair. He's a very smart man. He plays his cards right and makes everything work in his favor. Gotta give him kudos.
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yip great entertainer but the guy knew like 4 wrestling moves.
did you watch the videos. Watch Andre/Hogan from Japan, the opening to the first one was classic.
People are all critics, without watching evidence. If Hogan wrestled like this in America, Hulkamania would have took off with the Flair/Hart lovers too.
I've seen dozens og Hogan matches from Japan and while he was much better there than his US work he's far from amazing, or great. He was good at best. He could be carried very well and have great matches with amazing wrestlers but when he had to do the carrying the match was never better than pretty good. Comparing his inring ability to someone like Harley Race, Jumbo Tsuruta, or Ric Flair is ridiculous. These guys could keep fans on the esge of their seats for an hour long match. Hogan could never do that. He shines only in short matches. Hogan/Bundy was 10 minutes. Hoga/Andre was 12 minutes. Hogan/Savage was 18 minutes but completely rehearesed and scripted. Hogan/Warrior was over 20 at 22 minutes and his only great long WWF match. His next 20 plus minute match with Slaughter sucked. These were his long matches. Race and Flair would do hour marathons on house shows and draw with the local champ to put them over.
There is also another side to it; making other wrestlers. Flair and Race have made dozens of second rate wrestlers look like stars, and made a bunch of good wreslters into superstars. Sting and David Flair were both made in one night. Who has Hogan made? Warrior? Warrior was already huge and actually ended up worse after beating Hogan. Kiddman? I don't think so. Even as a heel Hogan never made anyone a star.
He's a great star and a huge part of the business and did everything he was supposed to do. As usual Trauma goes a bit overboard. Hogan will be as popular in 2106 as Jack Dempsey is today, but for the historians Hogan will always be a huge part of a big boom in wrestling history and won't be forgotten. If Mickey Mantle or Joe DiMaggio are only slightly remebered by today's pop cutlure then Hogan stands no chance in 100 years.
bow down i understand what u are trying to say but i gotta agree with this, the title of the thread is the greatest wrestler of all time, and hogan simply wasnt that good a wrestler. yeah u can say the stuff he done in japan but was he performing moves in japan like kurt angle does today? he also cant find submission moves out of nothing like chris benoit can.
no doubt he is perhaps the greatest entertainer in proffesional wrestlings history and only few have come close( rock, flair, jericho) but the guy didnt have the all round game to him
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By you mentioning Chris Jericho and Hulk Hogan in the same post as 'coming close', you just tipped your hand that you don't know shit about wrestling. Please go back, study more tapes from 80's NWA matches, and return here after you're ready to discuss it like a big boy.
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By you mentioning Chris Jericho and Hulk Hogan in the same post as 'coming close', you just tipped your hand that you don't know shit about wrestling. Please go back, study more tapes from 80's NWA matches, and return here after you're ready to discuss it like a big boy.
Study whose 80s NWA matches? Hogan's or Jericho's? because neither were in the NWA in the 80s.
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Not the greatest wrestler by a long shot
An average wrestler at best -
What he is though is perhaps the greatest entertainer with the most charisma and is the biggest ever draw in wrestling
He has been carried by far superior wrestlers - like Hansen, Di Biase, Savage - in his best matches
Yup, if the topic was greatest entertainer... i would of agreed!
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By you mentioning Chris Jericho and Hulk Hogan in the same post as 'coming close', you just tipped your hand that you don't know shit about wrestling. Please go back, study more tapes from 80's NWA matches, and return here after you're ready to discuss it like a big boy.
LMFAO... no one on this board has shit on shallow when it comes to wrestling.
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By you mentioning Chris Jericho and Hulk Hogan in the same post as 'coming close', you just tipped your hand that you don't know shit about wrestling. Please go back, study more tapes from 80's NWA matches, and return here after you're ready to discuss it like a big boy.
Study whose 80s NWA matches? Hogan's or Jericho's? because neither were in the NWA in the 80s.
Where did I say they were, bitch?
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By you mentioning Chris Jericho and Hulk Hogan in the same post as 'coming close', you just tipped your hand that you don't know shit about wrestling. Please go back, study more tapes from 80's NWA matches, and return here after you're ready to discuss it like a big boy.
LMFAO... no one on this board has shit on shallow when it comes to wrestling.
with the exception of me. While Shallow talks about wrestling, I live in Charlotte, NC and have sat in some of the guys he mentions' living rooms and been invited to their children's birthday parties. Ole Anderson helped me move into my house. He simply doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, OFTEN. I'm not saying I'm friends with any of them or anything, I'm just saying it's a different environment between what he reads on the internet, and what I've talked with the guys about face to face.
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By you mentioning Chris Jericho and Hulk Hogan in the same post as 'coming close', you just tipped your hand that you don't know shit about wrestling. Please go back, study more tapes from 80's NWA matches, and return here after you're ready to discuss it like a big boy.
stop taking things to heart like im affending you, and im a bigger boy than you'll know , cunt. i know a hell of alot about wrestling but tht dusnt matter in this discussion. i know hogan was an entertainer but what entertains me might not you. to me yes jericho was a close to hogan and to me i thought jericho had more charisma thts why i put his name there. tht dusnt mean to say u have to agree.
and yeah jericho wasnt in NWA
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I appreciate the compliment Mets but I have no desire to pretend I'm any sort of wrestling authority. I'm just a fan who has seen a lot of matches, read a few books, and seen/heard too many interviews.
Trauma, you mention Ole Anderson, a great booker, and superb in the ring and on the mic. Why don't you ask your "moving buddy" Ole to give his opinion on what kind of worker Hogan was and get back to us on it. I'm just talking about workrate and Ole's definition on pro wrestling, as I've heard him say many times, is making something fake look as real as possible. Hogan was not that.
I was also talking about long term fame and legendary status. I don't need to know any wrestlers to know that Mickey Mantle was a bigger star than Hogan, and we both know Mickey has faded into obscurity. Hogan may be the Babe Ruth of wrestling, but wrestling will never be baseball.
By you mentioning Chris Jericho and Hulk Hogan in the same post as 'coming close', you just tipped your hand that you don't know shit about wrestling. Please go back, study more tapes from 80's NWA matches, and return here after you're ready to discuss it like a big boy.
Study whose 80s NWA matches? Hogan's or Jericho's? because neither were in the NWA in the 80s.
Where did I say they were, bitch?
Now we're not even talking wrestling, we're talking plain english. You responded to DJ Paul's post which stated;
"bow down i understand what u are trying to say but i gotta agree with this, the title of the thread is the greatest wrestler of all time, and hogan simply wasnt that good a wrestler. yeah u can say the stuff he done in japan but was he performing moves in japan like kurt angle does today? he also cant find submission moves out of nothing like chris benoit can.
no doubt he is perhaps the greatest entertainer in proffesional wrestlings history and only few have come close( rock, flair, jericho) but the guy didnt have the all round game to him"
then you responded with;
"By you mentioning Chris Jericho and Hulk Hogan in the same post as 'coming close', you just tipped your hand that you don't know shit about wrestling. Please go back, study more tapes from 80's NWA matches, and return here after you're ready to discuss it like a big boy. "
You only mentioned Jericho and Hogan, and then mentioned NWA in the 80s. You were the one to bring up NWA not DJ Paul, and you said it right after you scoffed at Paul for mentioning Jericho in the same light as Hogan. This can only mean one of two things; either if Paul studied 80s NWA he would see how bad Jericho was, or how good Hogan was. Either way it would be impossible because neither were in the NWA in the 80s, which whether you know it or not you did mention, and as a man with a College degree you can re-read what you wrote and see that for yourself.
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LMAO @ this bow down chump
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LMAO! Hogan is the BEST ENTERTAINER ever, but to call him the best wrestler ever is absurd.
Hogan = 3 moves.
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"bow down to the king of kings" (naw...thats alright) is like hogan's number #1 fan...of coarse he be talking like hogan was a god....hogan's the greatest wrestling entertainer!...not the greatest wrestler...but entertainer...
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the title of this thread is MAYBE... how do I know, I wrote it.
Second, you guys say 3 moves, I put up video of him doing chain wrestling just like Benoit would do. I put up hard evidence that he can wrestle, and most everyone didn't even watched, and just bashed the thread. I showed my evidence. I will still die saying Angle is the greatest ever, but I at least put up some argument for Hulk Hogan. I made an attempt to see both sides of Hulkamania, and you guys aren't interested. What that tells me is you guys aren't even worthy of this thread.
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the title of this thread is MAYBE... how do I know, I wrote it.
Second, you guys say 3 moves, I put up video of him doing chain wrestling just like Benoit would do. I put up hard evidence that he can wrestle, and most everyone didn't even watched, and just bashed the thread. I showed my evidence. I will still die saying Angle is the greatest ever, but I at least put up some argument for Hulk Hogan. I made an attempt to see both sides of Hulkamania, and you guys aren't interested. What that tells me is you guys aren't even worthy of this thread.
I didn't bash your thread but how can you put Hogan in the same light as Benoit, Tsuruta, Race, Kobashi, etc is beyond me. Like I said before, Hogan was not terrible in Japan, at best he wa okay, and when carried he could have as high as a very good match. Some of his matches with Inoki were good. Maeda was good. Hansen was a top level ring general. Just because Hogan does a hammerlock leg sweep takedown doesn't make him Benoit, just like jumping off the top rope with an axe handle doesn't make him KENTA.
How can you say anyone is the best ever? How many matches have you seen from the pre 80s? How many Jumbo Tsuruta matches have you seen? I never say the best ever because I know there are so many wrestlers I've yet to see in a signficant amount of matches. Watch all the greats then judge before you defend Angle.
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the title of this thread is MAYBE... how do I know, I wrote it.
Second, you guys say 3 moves, I put up video of him doing chain wrestling just like Benoit would do. I put up hard evidence that he can wrestle, and most everyone didn't even watched, and just bashed the thread. I showed my evidence. I will still die saying Angle is the greatest ever, but I at least put up some argument for Hulk Hogan. I made an attempt to see both sides of Hulkamania, and you guys aren't interested. What that tells me is you guys aren't even worthy of this thread.
I didn't bash your thread but how can you put Hogan in the same light as Benoit, Tsuruta, Race, Kobashi, etc is beyond me. Like I said before, Hogan was not terrible in Japan, at best he wa okay, and when carried he could have as high as a very good match. Some of his matches with Inoki were good. Maeda was good. Hansen was a top level ring general. Just because Hogan does a hammerlock leg sweep takedown doesn't make him Benoit, just like jumping off the top rope with an axe handle doesn't make him KENTA.
How can you say anyone is the best ever? How many matches have you seen from the pre 80s? How many Jumbo Tsuruta matches have you seen? I never say the best ever because I know there are so many wrestlers I've yet to see in a signficant amount of matches. Watch all the greats then judge before you defend Angle.
in the words of Nas, your arms are too short to box with God. Especially on this topic. I've seen wrestling from many eras, I bought tapes from many years ago. I can honestly say, that after watching about 21 years worth of wrestling, watching from Japan, Mexico, Europe and of course the U.S., I can honestly, without a shadow of a doubt say Angle is the best ever. I will always give Hogan props, he was my childhood hero that got me into all of this, and I use to love watching foreign wrestling, because it was always just better to me that WWF and NWA. I have seen Jumbo Tsuruta, I've seen Muta in his prime, Andre in his prime doing drop kicks and sometimes coming off the ropes, I've seen more wrestling that what is healthy for one person, and I can honestly say, that Kurt Angle is the best wrestler, hole package, I've ever seen. Angle will come out, break a bone, pull a muscule, break his neck, and still complete the match as planned. He will carry anyone to a good match, and his mic skills are way too good to even deny. I've seen too much wrestling.
And besides, as I said, this gives people the chance to see Hogan do everything they said he never did. Had Hogan did this is yellow and red, Hulkamania would be accepted more by smarks like you. The problem, Hogan is not the draw he is, and the WWF never takes off like it did.
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the title of this thread is MAYBE... how do I know, I wrote it.
Second, you guys say 3 moves, I put up video of him doing chain wrestling just like Benoit would do. I put up hard evidence that he can wrestle, and most everyone didn't even watched, and just bashed the thread. I showed my evidence. I will still die saying Angle is the greatest ever, but I at least put up some argument for Hulk Hogan. I made an attempt to see both sides of Hulkamania, and you guys aren't interested. What that tells me is you guys aren't even worthy of this thread.
I didn't bash your thread but how can you put Hogan in the same light as Benoit, Tsuruta, Race, Kobashi, etc is beyond me. Like I said before, Hogan was not terrible in Japan, at best he wa okay, and when carried he could have as high as a very good match. Some of his matches with Inoki were good. Maeda was good. Hansen was a top level ring general. Just because Hogan does a hammerlock leg sweep takedown doesn't make him Benoit, just like jumping off the top rope with an axe handle doesn't make him KENTA.
How can you say anyone is the best ever? How many matches have you seen from the pre 80s? How many Jumbo Tsuruta matches have you seen? I never say the best ever because I know there are so many wrestlers I've yet to see in a signficant amount of matches. Watch all the greats then judge before you defend Angle.
in the words of Nas, your arms are too short to box with God. Especially on this topic. I've seen wrestling from many eras, I bought tapes from many years ago. I can honestly say, that after watching about 21 years worth of wrestling, watching from Japan, Mexico, Europe and of course the U.S., I can honestly, without a shadow of a doubt say Angle is the best ever. I will always give Hogan props, he was my childhood hero that got me into all of this, and I use to love watching foreign wrestling, because it was always just better to me that WWF and NWA. I have seen Jumbo Tsuruta, I've seen Muta in his prime, Andre in his prime doing drop kicks and sometimes coming off the ropes, I've seen more wrestling that what is healthy for one person, and I can honestly say, that Kurt Angle is the best wrestler, hole package, I've ever seen. Angle will come out, break a bone, pull a muscule, break his neck, and still complete the match as planned. He will carry anyone to a good match, and his mic skills are way too good to even deny. I've seen too much wrestling.
And besides, as I said, this gives people the chance to see Hogan do everything they said he never did. Had Hogan did this is yellow and red, Hulkamania would be accepted more by smarks like you. The problem, Hogan is not the draw he is, and the WWF never takes off like it did.
I have tapes too, and I've seen a lot of matches but there is a difference bewteen seeing someone in his prime and seeeing hte whole era. You also have to put yourself in that era. Angle would be a way different wrestler in the 70s because styles that weren't created yet. Harley Race could get anyone over in his era and he invented several very common moves. His job was to make it real. Angle's is too make it entertaining. I'm not saying either is better here. I'm just saying it's a different time. What you know is that by your idea of overall, Angle is the best, but what about people that like wrestling to seem like real competition? They would like guys like Karl Gotch or Lou Thesz. Guys that like fast paced non stop action might like the luchadores.
And for the last time. I had seen those matches and many other Hogan matches from that era. He was a decent carry job but not a wrestling God. I never even said he sucked. He did what he had to do in the WWF and made the industry huge doing it. Smarks like me accept Hogan.
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LOL... finally got to you... Trauma would be proud
Angle, if you put him and any era, his going to be on top of many peoples list. If his in the 70's, his up there with Race and Brisco. His the ultimate wrestler, someone that can make it real, someone that can entertain, and someone that flat out wrestle. His one of the all time greats, and if you put him in any era, his still doing what he has to do to be the best. You see, in greatness, it's not messured by an era, it's messured by a man's heart. Jordan did what he had to do because he hated losing. Everyone else would want to beat Jordan, and they would try, even get the better of him for a time, but Jordan would go into I will not lose form, and just dominate. Nas beat Jay-Z, even though after Takeover, most every other rapper would take a lose. Nas had that heart to take him game a notch, and beat Jay-Z. Angle is that guy. He can be busted, broken neck, and still put on the show of a life time. The same way Austin did it, only Angle has a better wrestling style than Austin. You put Angle in any era, his right at home, because his ready to make it real, make it entertaining, and give 100% everytime. Like Flair coming back from a plane wreck, only Angle doesn't over act. Angle is the real deal, he wants to be the best ever, and his doing whatever it takes to do it. And don't give me entertainment arguments in eras, what was Gorgous George?
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Shallow >>> Trauma
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LOL... finally got to you... Trauma would be proud
Angle, if you put him and any era, his going to be on top of many peoples list. If his in the 70's, his up there with Race and Brisco. His the ultimate wrestler, someone that can make it real, someone that can entertain, and someone that flat out wrestle. His one of the all time greats, and if you put him in any era, his still doing what he has to do to be the best. You see, in greatness, it's not messured by an era, it's messured by a man's heart. Jordan did what he had to do because he hated losing. Everyone else would want to beat Jordan, and they would try, even get the better of him for a time, but Jordan would go into I will not lose form, and just dominate. Nas beat Jay-Z, even though after Takeover, most every other rapper would take a lose. Nas had that heart to take him game a notch, and beat Jay-Z. Angle is that guy. He can be busted, broken neck, and still put on the show of a life time. The same way Austin did it, only Angle has a better wrestling style than Austin. You put Angle in any era, his right at home, because his ready to make it real, make it entertaining, and give 100% everytime. Like Flair coming back from a plane wreck, only Angle doesn't over act. Angle is the real deal, he wants to be the best ever, and his doing whatever it takes to do it. And don't give me entertainment arguments in eras, what was Gorgous George?
Angle is a spot wrestler more than a scientific wrestler and if take away his spots he won't shine so much. Suplex, suplex, suplex, top rope spot. That didn't fly in the 70s. Angle doesn't have the know how to put guys over like Race could. He's still very good but not at that level of guys that can carry stories in the ring. If the crowd turned on Angle's match he'd have a harder time figuring out how to get them back (I'm not talking about making them cheer for him when they boo). Look what Bret Hart did with Austin. Bret walked in a hero and walked out a hated man, and he didn't have to join Vince, or pull some over the top stunt. He told the story and he told it perfectly and made Austin a superstar in that night. Until Angle can do that, and it'll take a lot more than a spotfest with Shane McMahon he has a bit more to learn. Angle is a great executer and can do a lot of moves very well, and he overacts as much as Flair did. The young Flair didn't so much.
And George Wagner was a decent amateur wrestler overshadowed by his flamboyance and was never seen as legit tough which kept him from winning many belts and he never got the world title and only won a handful of regional titles. You had to make it real for those fans, in the ring and on the mic. Angle's drink your milk shtick was funny but not real. Even when he brags about his medals it sounds a bit fake and that is real. Great for entertainment purposes and great for this era but when I see him get serious something still looks wrong.
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No matter what people say, I can never view Angle as a GOAT...I remember when he first came to the WWF with his Gold Medalist asshole persona...His matches were so boring, the crowd would start booing in boredom mid-way through...He was hated not because he was a heel, but because he wasn't a WWF style wrestler...Slowly, he adapted to that WWF style, but he will never capture the audience like an Undertaker, a Shawn Michaels, a Hogan...It's not even about how good of a wresltler he is, overall, he just doesn't have it...PeACe
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No matter what people say, I can never view Angle as a GOAT...I remember when he first came to the WWF with his Gold Medalist asshole persona...His matches were so boring, the crowd would start booing in boredom mid-way through...He was hated not because he was a heel, but because he wasn't a WWF style wrestler...Slowly, he adapted to that WWF style, but he will never capture the audience like an Undertaker, a Shawn Michaels, a Hogan...It's not even about how good of a wresltler he is, overall, he just doesn't have it...PeACe
I disagree big time. There was a time where fans couldnt control themselves during a Angle match, when he would defend his title people would root for him to lose so hard it was absurd, he was hated because he was such a powerful heel. And in the ring Angle is close to the level of a Benoit, or Jericho or Bret Hart. He is one of the best ever
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No matter what people say, I can never view Angle as a GOAT...I remember when he first came to the WWF with his Gold Medalist asshole persona...His matches were so boring, the crowd would start booing in boredom mid-way through...He was hated not because he was a heel, but because he wasn't a WWF style wrestler...Slowly, he adapted to that WWF style, but he will never capture the audience like an Undertaker, a Shawn Michaels, a Hogan...It's not even about how good of a wresltler he is, overall, he just doesn't have it...PeACe
I disagree big time. There was a time where fans couldnt control themselves during a Angle match, when he would defend his title people would root for him to lose so hard it was absurd, he was hated because he was such a powerful heel. And in the ring Angle is close to the level of a Benoit, or Jericho or Bret Hart. He is one of the best ever
I'm talking about when he FIRST was introduced, I believe at one point WWF even had him billed as a "boring/technical" wrestler as part of his original persona... people just hated his style all together...Not saying he's not a great wrestler, I stopped watching shortly after he was introduced, but from what I remember, he wasn't even close to controlling a crowd in the same breath as an Undertaker or a Hulk Hogan...PeACe
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No matter what people say, I can never view Angle as a GOAT...I remember when he first came to the WWF with his Gold Medalist asshole persona...His matches were so boring, the crowd would start booing in boredom mid-way through...He was hated not because he was a heel, but because he wasn't a WWF style wrestler...Slowly, he adapted to that WWF style, but he will never capture the audience like an Undertaker, a Shawn Michaels, a Hogan...It's not even about how good of a wresltler he is, overall, he just doesn't have it...PeACe
I disagree big time. There was a time where fans couldnt control themselves during a Angle match, when he would defend his title people would root for him to lose so hard it was absurd, he was hated because he was such a powerful heel. And in the ring Angle is close to the level of a Benoit, or Jericho or Bret Hart. He is one of the best ever
I'm talking about when he FIRST was introduced, I believe at one point WWF even had him billed as a "boring/technical" wrestler as part of his original persona... people just hated his style all together...Not saying he's not a great wrestler, I stopped watching shortly after he was introduced, but from what I remember, he wasn't even close to controlling a crowd in the same breath as an Undertaker or a Hulk Hogan...PeACe
Im with you, I havnt been a fan of wrestling in years like yourself. And yes he struggled big time when he began no doubt and he cant control a match like Taker or Hulk, but he did a fine job controlling matches.
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I don't think Taker or Hulk are all the great at controlling matches or crowds during match. Both need to be carried if the match is any longer than 12 minutes. Hogan had the aid of rare appearances to help his longevity. There is a big reason people can't be champ for years at a time anymore and that is because of weekly main event TV. In the old days, anytime before Nitro, you'd see a world champion wrestle with your own eyes only a handful of times a year. He was only on TV for special matches and the rest of the time he was off TV wrestling house shows. You'd only see Hogan wrestle on the 2 or 3 PPVs and the 6 or 7 SNMEs a year. If Hogan was on TV and wrestling in prime time every week he'd have had to drop the belt after a year and a half, then do another chase and drop it again, and chase again, win, and drop. That's why guys today almost never have it for full years and two years is unthinkable. The fans see them more often and get tired of them faster. It's just natural that way.
Taker uses gimmicks like Hogan to get the crowd and when the crowd grows tired both run out of ideas an don't know what to do. Watch Hogan in the early 90s WCW. He was being booed as a baby face after his first run as champ. Watch Taker at Summerslam in Toronto a couple years ago and see the crowd have to entertain themselves because of how boring the match was. Gimmicks only work when they are rare and Taker has to rely on those gimmicks to stay over with the crowd. Look at them both for the past 6 to 7 years. They wrestle light schedules and show up every few months to comeback pops. If Angle did that he'd be over each time too. It's the ones that can stay over week in and week out and not take long breaks that really know how to hold a crowd and a match.