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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: herpes on September 03, 2006, 01:21:42 PM
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He set the record for most homeruns by a 2nd year player today. He hit 3 home runs today off tim hudson to put his total at 52 for the season. You think he can break 60 this year ?
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He will finish with 61 homers. He is a awesome home run hitter.
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Who knows he's a sofmore right? maybe in 18 years will be talking about the guy who beats Barry Bonds or Hank Aaron but more llikely Bonds....
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Who knows he's a sofmore right? maybe in 18 years will be talking about the guy who beats Barry Bonds or Hank Aaron but more llikely Bonds....
LMAO no way man he is already 26. Thats what people dont realize he got a late start. I mean for the next 10 years he can be the best power hitter around no doubt but right now he has like 70 career Homers or something like that and he is 26, Arod is 30 with like 465 homers lol. Howard has NO CHANCE at ever catching Mays, Ruth, Bonds, or Hank.
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Pujols or A-Rod have the best shot.
Albert has the best start of a career a player could have. He's 26 (in his 6th season) and already has 243 HRs (avg of over 40 a year).
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Pujols or A-Rod have the best shot.
Albert has the best start of a career a player could have. He's 26 (in his 6th season) and already has 243 HRs (avg of over 40 a year).
Yup. I think Arod and Pujols have the best chance. Its funny how people think its a lock though, same thing was said about Griff. Although Arod and Albert will never be half of what Mays was they will probably pass Mays on the home run charts but I dont know if they can ever catch Barry. 729 HR is a shitload of homers
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Pujols or A-Rod have the best shot.
Albert has the best start of a career a player could have. He's 26 (in his 6th season) and already has 243 HRs (avg of over 40 a year).
yea but no one knows for sure if puljos is telling the truth on his age lol. For the love of god i hope he is b/c i have a shitload of his rookie cards lol.
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Yeah who knows if Albert is telling the truth, alot of people think he is much older then he is.
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I dint know he was alittle older
It is true about a-rod having good chances. Pujols has them too
What about Vladmir Guerrero he slowed down a bit since His Montreal days but he is still good.
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^^Imo Vlad is one of the best 2,3 players in the game and has been for the last few years. He can do it all. He isnt patient at the plate at all but it doesnt matter w/ him cause he uses it to his advantage. Dude is a awesome power and average hitter, real good fielder, real good speed, and great throwing arm.
Pujols, 2 tool player
Vlad, 5 tool player
Vlad > Pujols
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^^Imo Vlad is one of the best 2,3 players in the game and has been for the last few years. He can do it all. He isnt patient at the plate at all but it doesnt matter w/ him cause he uses it to his advantage. Dude is a awesome power and average hitter, real good fielder, real good speed, and great throwing arm.
Pujols, 2 tool player
Vlad, 5 tool player
Vlad > Pujols
See thats a common misconception with vlad... dude gets his fair share of walks. He is not the most patient but hes not as bad as everyone thinks. He always post a OBP around .400. And his glove is that great. That past few years it has dropped. But I used to watch a lot of him when he played for the expos and there was a time when he was brutal in the OF. But still dude is a incredible talent. I remember during his second year I couldnt wait for him to be a free agent. B/C I knew he was too good for montreal to keep.
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U ain't liying dude is a monster. I think he will break the 60 mark. Looks like the Phils knew what they were doin' when they got rid of Thome.
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Dude's old though....Albert and A-Rod have the best chance...thats been said before.
But I've always thought for the longest time, if you want any player on your team...its Vlady.
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^^Imo Vlad is one of the best 2,3 players in the game and has been for the last few years. He can do it all. He isnt patient at the plate at all but it doesnt matter w/ him cause he uses it to his advantage. Dude is a awesome power and average hitter, real good fielder, real good speed, and great throwing arm.
Pujols, 2 tool player
Vlad, 5 tool player
Vlad > Pujols
See thats a common misconception with vlad... dude gets his fair share of walks. He is not the most patient but hes not as bad as everyone thinks. He always post a OBP around .400. And his glove is that great. That past few years it has dropped. But I used to watch a lot of him when he played for the expos and there was a time when he was brutal in the OF. But still dude is a incredible talent. I remember during his second year I couldnt wait for him to be a free agent. B/C I knew he was too good for montreal to keep.
His OBP is BA driven though. Since he's a power hitter he should be more patient, but he's still a good hitter.
BB/PA for a few known players
Vladimir Guerrero- .089
Albert Pujols- .121
Ryan Howard- .114
David Wright- .096
Miguel Cabrera- .091
Wright and Cabrera are only going to get better too.
No way in hell is Vlad better than Pujols. I'm not sure about their baserunning skills but the other skills they come even basically
Vlad's Tools: Hits for Power, Average and has a great arm.
Pujols' Tools: Hits for Power, Average, great defense.
And Pujols is such a better hitter than Vladimir it's not even funny. You know how much better he is, that the difference between OPS between the two are about the same as the difference between Vladimir Guerrero and Ryan Freel!
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^^Imo Vlad is one of the best 2,3 players in the game and has been for the last few years. He can do it all. He isnt patient at the plate at all but it doesnt matter w/ him cause he uses it to his advantage. Dude is a awesome power and average hitter, real good fielder, real good speed, and great throwing arm.
Pujols, 2 tool player
Vlad, 5 tool player
Vlad > Pujols
See thats a common misconception with vlad... dude gets his fair share of walks. He is not the most patient but hes not as bad as everyone thinks. He always post a OBP around .400. And his glove is that great. That past few years it has dropped. But I used to watch a lot of him when he played for the expos and there was a time when he was brutal in the OF. But still dude is a incredible talent. I remember during his second year I couldnt wait for him to be a free agent. B/C I knew he was too good for montreal to keep.
His OBP is BA driven though. Since he's a power hitter he should be more patient, but he's still a good hitter.
BB/PA for a few known players
Vladimir Guerrero- .089
Albert Pujols- .121
Ryan Howard- .114
David Wright- .096
Miguel Cabrera- .091
Wright and Cabrera are only going to get better too.
No way in hell is Vlad better than Pujols. I'm not sure about their baserunning skills but the other skills they come even basically
Vlad's Tools: Hits for Power, Average and has a great arm.
Pujols' Tools: Hits for Power, Average, great defense.
And Pujols is such a better hitter than Vladimir it's not even funny. You know how much better he is, that the difference between OPS between the two are about the same as the difference between Vladimir Guerrero and Ryan Freel!
Oh I know Vlad aint the most patient player in the game, but people try to make him out like he is Jeff Francour when it comes to walks at the plate. And I wouldnt call Pujols a great defensive player. He plays a good firstbase but i wouldnt call him great.
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you think ryan howard can break roger maris's single season homerun record ;D
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He's above average for sure though, and he's way better at his position than Vlad is at his.
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Sure he's playing an "easy" position but he still does it well. His fielding percentage this year is 0.996.
The thing I love about Pujols is that he doesn't strikeout like other power hitters. He only has 39 strikeouts this year compared to Howard's 154, Soriano's 133 and Hafner's 111. Striking out is such a horrible at bat, you gotta put the ball in play.
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He's above average for sure though, and he's way better at his position than Vlad is at his.
I dont know, I might call that one a push. Yea I know his fielding percentage is much better. But playing first is easier then RF. And if you look at Pujols in the OF his fielding percentage is about the same as Vlad but without the cannon arm.
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Pujols' Career Rate2 as a Left Fielder is 95 and Vladdy's as a RF is 94.
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Sure he's playing an "easy" position but he still does it well. His fielding percentage this year is 0.996.
The thing I love about Pujols is that he doesn't strikeout like other power hitters. He only has 39 strikeouts this year compared to Howard's 154, Soriano's 133 and Hafner's 111. Striking out is such a horrible at bat, you gotta put the ball in play.
Thats also the great thing with Vlad... dude dont strike out much either. Hes not quite on Pujols level tho. Alberts a freak of nature lol.
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Pujols' Career Rate2 as a Left Fielder is 95 and Vladdy's as a RF is 94.
Right field is also harder to play... in most cases not all LF is where you hide you crappier OF'er
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Pujols a great defender?? Oh my god this is to much, this thread should be closed after that comment. Compare all of his total errors the last few years to every other starting first basemen, and tell me what you see. dude is a average defender at best, horrible base runner, and no throwing arm. Pujols = 2 tool player
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Pujols a great defender?? Oh my god this is to much, this thread should be closed after that comment. Compare all of his total errors the last few years to every other starting first basemen, and tell me what you see. dude is a average defender at best, horrible base runner, and no throwing arm. Pujols = 2 tool player
I see that his fielding % is .996 this year, the same Derrek Lee had last year when he won his gold glove as a first baseman.
He plays first base, his arm is certainly good enough for that position.
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HE went yard again today.... 53
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Pujols a great defender?? Oh my god this is to much, this thread should be closed after that comment. Compare all of his total errors the last few years to every other starting first basemen, and tell me what you see. dude is a average defender at best, horrible base runner, and no throwing arm. Pujols = 2 tool player
I see that his fielding % is .996 this year, the same Derrek Lee had last year when he won his gold glove as a first baseman.
He plays first base, his arm is certainly good enough for that position.
so when I watched a Cards game recently on MLBTV, and they said Pujols made more errors at first than anyone else at that position the last couple years they were lying?
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And I know as a fact Pujols was tied for the most errors as a 1b last year and in 2004 he was near the top of most errors as a first baseman. Its all opinions, I was just shocked when you referred to him as a "great" defensive player. Ive never heard a professional scout or analyst ever refer to Albert as anything but a average at best fielder.
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He gets to most balls other 1B don't usually get to.
"Albert Pujols may be the main man responsible for the Cardinal's fine infield.
One of the Fielding Bible results that surprised me was that the Cardinals' infield was very good in both 2004 and 2005, despite a near complete turnover in personnel (such as Renteria/Eckstein at short and Rolen/Nunez at third). It turns out that the guy at first may have been the reason for their consistency.
According to John Dewan's latest Stat of the Week, Albert Pujols actually saved 42(!) bad throws to first base last year. That's a stunning total; the next-highest figure was Derrek Lee's 23. Perhaps the key person in the Cardinal infield isn't at one of the "skill positions." And perhaps I've never fully appreciated the impact a good-fielding first baseman can have on a team.
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He gets to most balls other 1B don't usually get to.
"Albert Pujols may be the main man responsible for the Cardinal's fine infield.
One of the Fielding Bible results that surprised me was that the Cardinals' infield was very good in both 2004 and 2005, despite a near complete turnover in personnel (such as Renteria/Eckstein at short and Rolen/Nunez at third). It turns out that the guy at first may have been the reason for their consistency.
According to John Dewan's latest Stat of the Week, Albert Pujols actually saved 42(!) bad throws to first base last year. That's a stunning total; the next-highest figure was Derrek Lee's 23. Perhaps the key person in the Cardinal infield isn't at one of the "skill positions." And perhaps I've never fully appreciated the impact a good-fielding first baseman can have on a team.
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LOL. I just checked and since the beginning of 2004 NO ONE has more errors at first then Albert. And yes he does get alot of plays at first, but so does O. Vizquel at his position and he has few to none errors, cause he is considered a great fielder, Albert ISNT. Pujols is a average fielder and has always been referred to as a average fielder.
Pujols = hits for power, hits for avg
Vlad = hits for power, speed, hits for avg, great throwing arm, very good fielder
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Albert Pujols 1B Defense Rate2 is 112. That means for every 100 games he plays at 1B, he saves the team 12 runs on defense. JT Snow's best year was 109. Yes, he's a great fielder.
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How many 1B you think have moved leagues, changed positions since 2004? Albert Pujols is a great fielder, accept the truth.
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^^not even close to a great fielder. Close to a solid fielder but thats all. And I dont care about that meaningless stat, all credibility was lost as soon as you compared Albert's D to Snow's D, my god you are a LA fan, did you not see JT play the position defensively?
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^^not even close to a great fielder. Close to a solid fielder but thats all. And I dont care about that meaningless stat, all credibility was lost as soon as you compared Albert's D to Snow's D, my god you are a LA fan, did you not see JT play the position defensively?
Accept the fact that this year Albert Pujols has been a really great fielder, and he's been above average the other years. There's no flipping way around it. Pujols gets to most balls you're ordinary 1B does, this is a fact. It's been graphed by people that do this for a living.
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so when I watched a Cards game recently on MLBTV, and they said Pujols made more errors at first than anyone else at that position the last couple years they were lying?
And I know as a fact Pujols was tied for the most errors as a 1b last year and in 2004 he was near the top of most errors as a first baseman. Its all opinions, I was just shocked when you referred to him as a "great" defensive player. Ive never heard a professional scout or analyst ever refer to Albert as anything but a average at best fielder.
He's made the most errors since 2004 but this year he's only made 5 and has a good fielding percentage. When I said he plays first well I was refering to what he's doing currently and he is playing the position well.
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^^This year Albert has been a very good defensive player, last year he was bad, the year before that he as bad. If he strings 2 or 3 more good years defensively like this year then I will change my mind, until then the only credit he gets from me is he changed posiitions, and alot of people have done that to lol.
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2005 Rate2- 104
2004 Rate2- 108
Yep, still above average.
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^^Nope as many errors as anyone else at first in that time. Regardless of the chances that is not good lol, not good at all.
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Some of his errors would be counted as hits for other 1B because they couldn't even attempted to make the catch.
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^^Couldnt be more wrong, dude is slow and has never moved around great, his lack of speed has saved him from even more errors lol.
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^^Couldnt be more wrong, dude is slow and has never moved around great, his lack of speed has saved him from even more errors lol.
Are you sure you're thinking about Pujols? Lack of speed? WTF, how can this guy be slow and save 42 fucking throwing errors in one year and the next best was like 23 from Lee.
And please stop calling Vladimir Guerrero a good fielder he's a below average fielder with a great arm.
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^^Vlad was a bad fielder in MTL since then he has been very good defensively. And Pujols doesnt run well Im sorry. He has never moved around well at all hence his lack of stolen bases. And dont say its cause he is a power hitter cause Bonds has over 500 steals and Mays had over 300 steals.
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Number of Win Shares contributed by defense at 1B
Top 10
1. Overbay
2. Sexson
3. Youkilis
4. Teixeria
5. Lee
6. Pujols
7. Fielder
8. Morneau
9. Konerko
10. Conine
Vladimir Guerrero's best year on defense at RF was with the Angels in 2005, where he was right about average at 100. All the other years he has cost the team runs on defense. So far, his 2006 year has been as bad as his 2000 year with the Expos.
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bringing up Vlad wont help out Pujols defense.
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Uhm, what? No fucking shit lol. I think it's pretty clear that my Pujols point is seprate from the Vlad point. Im brigning your whole five tools arguement and how Guerrero doesnt'have that tool and even if he did have all 5 tools that doesn't make him better like you stated.
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Uhm, what? No fucking shit lol. I think it's pretty clear that my Pujols point is seprate from the Vlad point. Im brigning your whole five tools arguement and how Guerrero doesnt'have that tool and even if he did have all 5 tools that doesn't make him better like you stated.
ok Vlad isnt a great fielder he is a solid fielder. But Pujols isnt a great defender like you said and he doesnt have the speed you claim he has lol
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No, Vladimir isn;t a solid fielder. He's below average.
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yeah he is a monster. I was at a giants game this year where I watched him hit a bomb in dead center. Its too hard to predict anything. The only way to break any records in baseball these days is if you don't get injured. I personally don't think records in baseball can be broken without steriods, and now they are really trying to crack down, so I don't think he would ever break any records. The only record I see being broken without a player taking roids is the hitting streak, but I doubt that would ever be broken.