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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: SGV on September 12, 2006, 07:12:02 AM
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The Hook:
"I Ain't Got To Breakdance, I Ain't Got To Freestyle, Just To Prove I'm Hip Hop, I'm A Grown Ass Man, I Ain't Got To Write Graph, I'm Allowed To Like Cash, Who You Think You Talkin' To, I'm A Grown Ass Man."
Planetary:
"Here's A Little Somethin' For Them Kids That Be Frontin', Bills Gotta Get Paid, Sky's The Limit, We Gon' Do This Our Way, Despite The Critics, I Don't Do It For The Groupies, They Trifilin' Bitches, I Do This Shit For My Kids, My Wife And My Niggas, Most Important Thing In Life, Stay True To Your People, Not True To Hip Hop, That's What The Internet Feed You, Buy A Car Off Rap, They Say Your Soul Get Lost, They Rather See You On Train, Writing Graph On A Wall, Or Rockin' A Backpack, Baggy Jeans And Vans, I'd Rather Rock A Gaudy Chain, That Hang Down To My Pants, Or A New Era Fitted That Match My Sneaks, A Pinky Ring So Gleam That Shit Light Up The Streets, A Big Truck With Rims, That's Me And My Bitch, With TV's So My Kids Can Watch Lilo And Stitch, I Got Respect Where I'm From, Don't Try To Steal My Shine"
So before you start trying to shit on people for rockin' a chain, ridin' a big truck with rims, or who are about their money, realize that these are grown ass men with more important things to do than to impress little Internet kids who want to be Hip Hop by all means.
Outerspace > Your favorite duo right now.
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yea, I get it, niggas gotta eat.. they got to feed their baby momas n shit... lmao!
if what you represent ain't got shit to do with real hiphop, don't expect love from people who are into real hiphop
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yea, I get it, niggas gotta eat.. they got to feed their baby momas n shit... lmao!
if what you represent ain't got shit to do with real hiphop, don't expect love from people who are into real hiphop
And what's real Hip Hop?
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well, I don't want to get into a back to the roots/fuck evolution argument, lol, but what pisses me off about that outerspace shit is that now some rappers (like them) start to BRAG about how cool it is to sell-out, to represent and live a bling bling lifestyle and to basically see music/hip-hop as a job, as a way to get money, as a business instead of.. well.. music. now, those rappers existed before. but, there's been a time when they at least tried to hide it, or felt ashamed about it. now I see a new trend comin when rappers FEEL GOOD about it, and laugh at rappers who "try to keep it real" or fans who want "music with substance", "deep lyrics" or whatever.
but the bottom line is still that they are of course allowed to do whatever the fuck they want to do, they just don't make me like them more, but as I know, they don't care, cause Im not feeding their kids now do I? they're grown men and don't have to give a FUCK if a white euro kid from the burbs feels their music. so...
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the definition of "real hip hop" is all in the eyes of the beholder(sp). one person might think that Nelly´s real hip hop and i might think he´s a fucking pop act, and infact in that scenario both of us would be right coz you as a man decides what´s real to you.
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Slick Rick rocked chains. G Rap rocked chains. Big Daddy Kane rocked chains. Did they sell out? No. You really think that's selling out? Because someone lives a "bling lifestyle" they're not Hip Hop. Hip Hop has been about bragging. Ask Sugar Hill. Its always been about flossing, ask Slick Rick. Its always been about keeping it real. That's what Outerspace is doing.
You want depth and meaningful lyrics? Cool. But Hip Hop wasn't built on that. That's not real Hip Hop. That's just Hip Hop. Hip Hop is party music. Street music. Its fun music. It'll always be music, but as long as Execs are making money, its going to be a job. Don't blame rappers for having a family to feed. That's keeping real as real can be. Trying to not "sell out" and leaving your kids starving is keeping stupid.
You need a better definition.
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Thier new album leaked I take it? I enjoyed thier last album so I guess I better get a hold of this one.
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Slick Rick rocked chains. G Rap rocked chains. Big Daddy Kane rocked chains. Did they sell out? No. You really think that's selling out? Because someone lives a "bling lifestyle" they're not Hip Hop. Hip Hop has been about bragging. Ask Sugar Hill. Its always been about flossing, ask Slick Rick. Its always been about keeping it real. That's what Outerspace is doing.
You want depth and meaningful lyrics? Cool. But Hip Hop wasn't built on that. That's not real Hip Hop. That's just Hip Hop. Hip Hop is party music. Street music. Its fun music. It'll always be music, but as long as Execs are making money, its going to be a job. Don't blame rappers for having a family to feed. That's keeping real as real can be. Trying to not "sell out" and leaving your kids starving is keeping stupid.
You need a better definition.
like it
+1
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I don't even care about the appearance like some hardcore backpackers might do. I don't give a shit if dude is wearing a big ass chain or a backpack in his video. The problem starts when people make whack music (even according to THEIR opinion) because it sells better, and then also have the nerve to make fun of people who don't like it. "I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars"
"I Don't Do It For The Groupies, They Trifilin' Bitches, I Do This Shit For My Kids, My Wife And My Niggas, Most Important Thing In Life, Stay True To Your People, Not True To Hip Hop"
translation: I don't give a shit what fans think, I do music in order to get rich not in order to do art, not in order to contribute to hiphop, as long as I get my cash I'm good.
Now, if they REALLY have a family to feed and see no choice other than selling out, I understand. But to me that "A nigga gotta eat" phrase is laughable. Most of these rappers damn well have enough scrilla to fucking eat. Don't gimme that bullshit. Rocking a chain and chrome wheels, yet the family is starving to death. Even Method Man relied on that excuse in that last interview that was posted on WCC if I remember correctly, and nofuckingbody can tell me that Method Man really NEEDS money THAT desparately.
Now, of course, admitting that you're just in for the money is also a form of realness, I give you that.
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You keep saying they're selling out. In what way? What justifies someone as a sell out?
From the looks of it, you want rappers to make Music for free, while some already rich old White man buys another car because of them. Are you going to support them? Of course not. So they're going to have to make money since 7even "Mr. Don't Make Money Or You're A Sell Out" won't give them one red cent.
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Selling Out happens as soon as you put money first and music second. If you do music you as the artist can truly identify with, music you're proud of, and it happens to sell well, no selling out happening. Someone can not sell out and still become a millionaire, others sell out and still can't feed their kids.
As soon as you write simple rhymes you hate, put bitches into your hooks you can't stand and rap over pop beats you can't stand, accept a certain image because your A&R told you so, you sold out. Now, if you as an artist LIKE that type of rap, and it's only a coincidence that it sells well, more power to you.
Ultimately I don't give a fuck as long as I like the music, but it just still pisses me off when I know that some rappers could be so much better if they cared about the music first, and then about the money that comes with it.
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if what you represent ain't got shit to do with real hiphop, don't expect love from people who are into real hiphop
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I don't even care about the appearance like some hardcore backpackers might do. I don't give a shit if dude is wearing a big ass chain or a backpack in his video. The problem starts when people make whack music (even according to THEIR opinion) because it sells better, and then also have the nerve to make fun of people who don't like it. "I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars"
"I Don't Do It For The Groupies, They Trifilin' Bitches, I Do This Shit For My Kids, My Wife And My Niggas, Most Important Thing In Life, Stay True To Your People, Not True To Hip Hop"
translation: I don't give a shit what fans think, I do music in order to get rich not in order to do art, not in order to contribute to hiphop, as long as I get my cash I'm good.
Now, if they REALLY have a family to feed and see no choice other than selling out, I understand. But to me that "A nigga gotta eat" phrase is laughable. Most of these rappers damn well have enough scrilla to fucking eat. Don't gimme that bullshit. Rocking a chain and chrome wheels, yet the family is starving to death.
you would be surprised how many rappers and im talkin dudes that have had some sucess gettin by on the balls of there ass. The game isnt what it seems. Most of what they have the records company purchased for them and they are in debt to the record company forever. Most of these rappers end up getting 9-5 jobs to make ends meet. Remember nature from the firm, dude worked at a jewerly store in mid-town manhattan. Fucking biggie died broke. Everything he we thought he owned was actually in puffys name. ODB died broke while living in his mothers crib. Nas was still living in QB untill he 97. The he started banking money from ghostwriting for will smith. Apocolypse said it best on this masta ace song....
I really feel I'm blessed 'cause I was born with a talent to rhyme
But the stress got me this close to quitting sometimes
On the crowded A train every morning
I can't wait for the day
My hustle game don't got to start this way
Niggaz think it's all good when they see me and hear my CD
And think I'm jumping in the 745 with TVs
They don't know I miss tours and shows
To go to work and pay bills and keep dough on my clothes
you the rap game isnt what it appears. That verse is how it is for most rappers. Its all about image. And you fall for that sht thinkin most rappers are banking and living a nice life. Most of them are still living in the hood.
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It's fucked up in the East, but rappers from the West and South are quite wealthy I think. on the eastcoast you either make it or really break it. when signing to a huge record label you gotta watch out of course, I think 2pac also got played by suge, big time.
that's why releasing independent shit and mixtapes can get you some nice scrilla, maybe not in NY but elsewhere lol, and that's better cause when it comes to signing to a big major and dealing with jews in suits it can happen that you get fucked in the ass by the industry.
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It's fucked up in the East, but rappers from the West and South are quite wealthy I think. on the eastcoast you either make it or really break it. when signing to a huge record label you gotta watch out of course, I think 2pac also got played by suge, big time.
that's why releasing independent shit and mixtapes can get you some nice scrilla, maybe not in NY but elsewhere lol, and that's better cause when it comes to signing to a big major and dealing with jews in suits it can happen that you get fucked in the ass by the industry.
no it like that everywhere unless you go independent of you have someone to teach you the game from the word go. Look at Daz and Kurupt... they were fuckin broke after death row. Look at nwa they got played. Its a dirty game every where you go
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Every rapper is a sell out then. The man you have in your sig is a huge sell out. Kweli is a sell out. Mos Def is a sell out. Even the brokest rappers are sell outs. Believe it that nobody is going to put the music first. NOBODY. That's not selling out, that's knowing business.
Are you going to work for free 7even? Are you going to go into your job everyday for a year straight and not get paid? No. So you're a sell out.
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i think 7even got hurt, these dudes are real hip hop without the nerdy european outsider bullshit. hip hop isnt graf breakin freestyling any more, sorry folks
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"I Ain't Got To Breakdance, I Ain't Got To Freestyle, Just To Prove I'm Hip Hop, I'm A Grown Ass Man, I Ain't Got To Write Graph, I'm Allowed To Like Cash, Who You Think You Talkin' To, I'm A Grown Ass Man."
That's the thing that annoys me about backpackers. I like a lot of so called backpacker music but I hate the concept of "real hip hop". What is "real hip hop"? No one has ever defined that in a matter that makes sense. I don't do graph or breakdance either so I'm not hip hop either.
Hip hop has always been in the streets so when people say that so called gangsta rap is not real hip hop, I just ::). If street music isn't real hip hop, neither is Melle Mel since he made street music like the "Message". You rap about your jewels, well so did Rakim, Slick Rick, Run DMC, EPMD and all them. KRS-One posed with a uzi on his album cover and rapped "Listen to my 9 millimeter go bang". What about party music? Party music isn't hip hop either? Well what about Afrika Bambataa and the Soulsonic force, who made one of the biggest party jams in history with "Planet Rock". He's the creater of hip hop so if it's cool with Bam, it's cool with me.
The only barometer to me is the quality of music. I don't care if you gangbang, if you dance in the video, if you wear backpacks and breakdance, if you have a southern drawl, you drink hennesey and eat pork or you're a muslim that doesn't eat pork, if you have a college degree or a convicted felon, it's about the music. I dont' care if you're up in the club with big booty hoes dancing in your videos or you sip tea in a poetry reading, I don't care. I want to hear good music.
That's all that matters is the music, not all that other shit.
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"I Ain't Got To Breakdance, I Ain't Got To Freestyle, Just To Prove I'm Hip Hop, I'm A Grown Ass Man, I Ain't Got To Write Graph, I'm Allowed To Like Cash, Who You Think You Talkin' To, I'm A Grown Ass Man."
That's the thing that annoys me about backpackers. I like a lot of so called backpacker music but I hate the concept of "real hip hop". What is "real hip hop"? No one has ever defined that in a matter that makes sense. I don't do graph or breakdance either so I'm not hip hop either.
Hip hop has always been in the streets so when people say that so called gangsta rap is not real hip hop, I just ::). If street music isn't real hip hop, neither is Melle Mel since he made street music like the "Message". You rap about your jewels, well so did Rakim, Slick Rick, Run DMC, EPMD and all them. KRS-One posed with a uzi on his album cover and rapped "Listen to my 9 millimeter go bang". What about party music? Party music isn't hip hop either? Well what about Afrika Bambataa and the Soulsonic force, who made one of the biggest party jams in history with "Planet Rock". He's the creater of hip hop so if it's cool with Bam, it's cool with me.
The only barometer to me is the quality of music. I don't care if you gangbang, if you dance in the video, if you wear backpacks and breakdance, if you have a southern drawl, you drink hennesey and eat pork or you're a muslim that doesn't eat pork, if you have a college degree or a convicted felon, it's about the music. I dont' care if you're up in the club with big booty hoes dancing in your videos or you sip tea in a poetry reading, I don't care. I want to hear good music.
That's all that matters is the music, not all that other shit.
i feel alot of what you saying.. but for the qoute in bold: It's rarely you hear music about such things that is dope
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"I Ain't Got To Breakdance, I Ain't Got To Freestyle, Just To Prove I'm Hip Hop, I'm A Grown Ass Man, I Ain't Got To Write Graph, I'm Allowed To Like Cash, Who You Think You Talkin' To, I'm A Grown Ass Man."
That's the thing that annoys me about backpackers. I like a lot of so called backpacker music but I hate the concept of "real hip hop". What is "real hip hop"? No one has ever defined that in a matter that makes sense. I don't do graph or breakdance either so I'm not hip hop either.
Hip hop has always been in the streets so when people say that so called gangsta rap is not real hip hop, I just ::). If street music isn't real hip hop, neither is Melle Mel since he made street music like the "Message". You rap about your jewels, well so did Rakim, Slick Rick, Run DMC, EPMD and all them. KRS-One posed with a uzi on his album cover and rapped "Listen to my 9 millimeter go bang". What about party music? Party music isn't hip hop either? Well what about Afrika Bambataa and the Soulsonic force, who made one of the biggest party jams in history with "Planet Rock". He's the creater of hip hop so if it's cool with Bam, it's cool with me.
The only barometer to me is the quality of music. I don't care if you gangbang, if you dance in the video, if you wear backpacks and breakdance, if you have a southern drawl, you drink hennesey and eat pork or you're a muslim that doesn't eat pork, if you have a college degree or a convicted felon, it's about the music. I dont' care if you're up in the club with big booty hoes dancing in your videos or you sip tea in a poetry reading, I don't care. I want to hear good music.
That's all that matters is the music, not all that other shit.
i feel alot of what you saying.. but for the qoute in bold: It's rarely you hear music about such things that is dope
Then you're talking about good music or bad music. From the gist of your post, good music to you is real hip hop and bad music to you is not real. Yeah that D4L song and "My Humps" were terrible but that Ludacris, Usher Lil Jon song from 2 years ago was a banger. 50 Cent's in the club was a banger. I'll admit, I like a couple of Nelly's songs. Hip hop has been in the clubs since the early 80's at least. After the South Bronx party jams, where did hip hop go to afterwards? That's right, the clubs.
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"I Ain't Got To Breakdance, I Ain't Got To Freestyle, Just To Prove I'm Hip Hop, I'm A Grown Ass Man, I Ain't Got To Write Graph, I'm Allowed To Like Cash, Who You Think You Talkin' To, I'm A Grown Ass Man."
That's the thing that annoys me about backpackers. I like a lot of so called backpacker music but I hate the concept of "real hip hop". What is "real hip hop"? No one has ever defined that in a matter that makes sense. I don't do graph or breakdance either so I'm not hip hop either.
Hip hop has always been in the streets so when people say that so called gangsta rap is not real hip hop, I just ::). If street music isn't real hip hop, neither is Melle Mel since he made street music like the "Message". You rap about your jewels, well so did Rakim, Slick Rick, Run DMC, EPMD and all them. KRS-One posed with a uzi on his album cover and rapped "Listen to my 9 millimeter go bang". What about party music? Party music isn't hip hop either? Well what about Afrika Bambataa and the Soulsonic force, who made one of the biggest party jams in history with "Planet Rock". He's the creater of hip hop so if it's cool with Bam, it's cool with me.
The only barometer to me is the quality of music. I don't care if you gangbang, if you dance in the video, if you wear backpacks and breakdance, if you have a southern drawl, you drink hennesey and eat pork or you're a muslim that doesn't eat pork, if you have a college degree or a convicted felon, it's about the music. I dont' care if you're up in the club with big booty hoes dancing in your videos or you sip tea in a poetry reading, I don't care. I want to hear good music.
That's all that matters is the music, not all that other shit.
i feel alot of what you saying.. but for the qoute in bold: It's rarely you hear music about such things that is dope
Then you're talking about good music or bad music. From the gist of your post, good music to you is real hip hop and bad music to you is not real. Yeah that D4L song and "My Humps" were terrible but that Ludacris, Usher Lil Jon song from 2 years ago was a banger. 50 Cent's in the club was a banger. I'll admit, I like a couple of Nelly's songs. Hip hop has been in the clubs since the early 80's at least. After the South Bronx party jams, where did hip hop go to afterwards? That's right, the clubs.
i see what you mean... and yeah i admit too that in the club was a banger.. i loved 50 cents music when it came out.. i just dont like that kinda music anymore.. but thats all opinions.
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Every rapper is a sell out then. The man you have in your sig is a huge sell out. Kweli is a sell out. Mos Def is a sell out. Even the brokest rappers are sell outs. Believe it that nobody is going to put the music first. NOBODY. That's not selling out, that's knowing business.
Are you going to work for free 7even? Are you going to go into your job everyday for a year straight and not get paid? No. So you're a sell out.
Well, as soon as you start to imply that
music=job
I get a little pissed, ya
Maybe I'm just a naive idealist, whatever.. but music should be more than just a job.
hip hop isnt graf breakin freestyling any more, sorry folks
You say that like it's a good thing
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I agree with SGV. That song is hot.
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Music is a Job... If that's your only income. I mean, they can call it a hustle, but that's just a "cool" way of saying "job."
Face it, you're mad at the world and you don't even know why.
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Face it, you're mad at the world and you don't even know why.
LMFAO +1
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I don't even care about the appearance like some hardcore backpackers might do. I don't give a shit if dude is wearing a big ass chain or a backpack in his video. The problem starts when people make whack music (even according to THEIR opinion) because it sells better, and then also have the nerve to make fun of people who don't like it. "I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars"
"I Don't Do It For The Groupies, They Trifilin' Bitches, I Do This Shit For My Kids, My Wife And My Niggas, Most Important Thing In Life, Stay True To Your People, Not True To Hip Hop"
translation: I don't give a shit what fans think, I do music in order to get rich not in order to do art, not in order to contribute to hiphop, as long as I get my cash I'm good.
Now, if they REALLY have a family to feed and see no choice other than selling out, I understand. But to me that "A nigga gotta eat" phrase is laughable. Most of these rappers damn well have enough scrilla to fucking eat. Don't gimme that bullshit. Rocking a chain and chrome wheels, yet the family is starving to death.
you would be surprised how many rappers and im talkin dudes that have had some sucess gettin by on the balls of there ass. The game isnt what it seems. Most of what they have the records company purchased for them and they are in debt to the record company forever. Most of these rappers end up getting 9-5 jobs to make ends meet. Remember nature from the firm, dude worked at a jewerly store in mid-town manhattan. Fucking biggie died broke. Everything he we thought he owned was actually in puffys name. ODB died broke while living in his mothers crib. Nas was still living in QB untill he 97. The he started banking money from ghostwriting for will smith. Apocolypse said it best on this masta ace song....
I really feel I'm blessed 'cause I was born with a talent to rhyme
But the stress got me this close to quitting sometimes
On the crowded A train every morning
I can't wait for the day
My hustle game don't got to start this way
Niggaz think it's all good when they see me and hear my CD
And think I'm jumping in the 745 with TVs
They don't know I miss tours and shows
To go to work and pay bills and keep dough on my clothes
you the rap game isnt what it appears. That verse is how it is for most rappers. Its all about image. And you fall for that sht thinkin most rappers are banking and living a nice life. Most of them are still living in the hood.
you right about that, that dude J-Hood from D-block still lives wit his mum!....
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Selling Out happens as soon as you put money first and music second. If you do music you as the artist can truly identify with, music you're proud of, and it happens to sell well, no selling out happening. Someone can not sell out and still become a millionaire, others sell out and still can't feed their kids.
As soon as you write simple rhymes you hate, put bitches into your hooks you can't stand and rap over pop beats you can't stand, accept a certain image because your A&R told you so, you sold out. Now, if you as an artist LIKE that type of rap, and it's only a coincidence that it sells well, more power to you.
Ultimately I don't give a fuck as long as I like the music, but it just still pisses me off when I know that some rappers could be so much better if they cared about the music first, and then about the money that comes with it.
well said, i totally agree
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yea, I get it, niggas gotta eat.. they got to feed their baby momas n shit... lmao!
if what you represent ain't got shit to do with real hiphop, don't expect love from people who are into real hiphop
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yea, I get it, niggas gotta eat.. they got to feed their baby momas n shit... lmao!
if what you represent ain't got shit to do with real hiphop, don't expect love from people who are into real hiphop
what is real hip hop
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yea, I get it, niggas gotta eat.. they got to feed their baby momas n shit... lmao!
if what you represent ain't got shit to do with real hiphop, don't expect love from people who are into real hiphop
this is the stupidest quote yet, this only applies to say, rock musicians. all hip hop is real hip hop despite what some nerdy white backpackers got to say
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thats the funny thing about these white boys from the burbs and europe. From the word go rap has always been another way to make a few dollars or to get recognition from bitches. Do you think Kool Herc was DJ'ing block parties b/c it was keeping it real or he was trying to start a new culture in the ghetto. No he was doing it to make a few bucks. To get recognition in the neighborhood. To have women jock his shit. And you know why most of these rappers stress keeping it real and staying true to hip hop. It's b/c they know they will never blow so they have to get some sought of target audience. so they attack the keep it real hip hop crowd. You guys need to learn just b/c its wack doesnt mean its not real hip hop.
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^LMAO! Thank you!
Dudes swear to God that money hasn't been a main focus Hip Hop since it started. Dudes swear to God that partying hasn't been a main focus Hip Hop since it started. Dudes swear to God that women hasn't been a main focus Hip Hop since it started.
The focus of ANY musician is to make money.
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so pointless this topic
*bumps Busta Rhymes' "Where's Your Money?"*