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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Dope Money Clean on December 13, 2001, 02:36:36 PM
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Alright i know alot of people dont wanna hear this ....... but Jay-z is definitely the King of New York . And very well the King Of hiphop right now . The man is a legend . whether u like it or not . check out this mathematics ......
jay-z = 6 albums = 2 were wack = 4 are classic IMO.
wu tang = 4 albums = 1 was wack = 1 was IGHT = 1 was classic = 1 is still to be determined ( i dont think the new wu is gonna be a classic album . its good tho)
nas = 5 albums = 1 was classic = 1 was IGHT = 2 were STR8 WACK! = 1 is still to be determined ( i think it has a
chance to be special ...... still gotta let it soak)
Need I Say More ?
Jigga has been the most consistent artist in the rap game for some time now. Even when he dropped some wack shit (roc la familia & vol.3 s.carter) He came right back with some off the hook shit to make people like me jump back on the bandwagon . i thought i was gonna never like jigga's shit again after i heard Vol.3 ......... i didnt even cop Roc La Familia . but then he came harder than ever with Blueprint . usually when rappers fall off ........ thats exactly how they stay . FELL OFF , NOT COMIN BACK.
"Yall niggaz better learn to respect the King"
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i disagree with most of that , sorry kid :-/
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me too.... Jay-Z ... 4 classics??? ummmm I only see 1
-Big BpG
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^ its alright to disagree . just put in your 2 cents though . i wanna see your evidence , thesis , analyzation etc ....
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scratch the classics cuz all that was just my opinion .
how many "quality" albums has jigga put out ?
and now who else can compare to him ? as far as the eastcoast . ?
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Well... I've never really put Snoop up their with the "King of Rap" because I think it's unfair, but Snoop is busy man in the game... people give Jay the credit, which is cool, but check this out...
Snoop Has
5 Solo Albums = 1 Definite Classic - 4 Good Ones
Snoop Has put out 3 Major albums out in the Last Year...
Those are
Tha Last Meal
Eastsidaz - DNT
Bones
He also did work with... The Wash, Nate Dogg, Warren G, He did a song for Baby Boy, He made three movies in the last year... I mean he extends past the rap game... and seriously... this dogg is busy... Jay-Z busy?? LOL ... now I'm not giving Snoop the "king of rap" label... I'm just saying, Snoop is a busy busy man and as for Jay-Z ... He's not all that in my views... he's like the eastcoast Snoop in my opinion
-Big BpG
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me too.... Jay-Z ... 4 classics??? ummmm I only see 1
-Big BpG
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4 classics?
reasonable doubt-4.5/5
vol. 1- 4 or a 3.75/5
vol 2.-2/5
vol 3. 3/5
roc la familia-2.75 or 3/5
blueprint-4
if your going by quality and consistancy ghost face EASILY takes this...and i wouldn't even consider him the best
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okay.... allow me to dead this in a hurry.
Reasonable Doubt: 4.5/5
In My Lifetime 1: 3.5/5
Volume 2: 2/5
Volume 3: 2/5
Dynasty: 1/5
Blueprint: 4/5
Unplugged: 4.5/5
Nas:
Illmatic: 5/5
It Was Written: 4.5/5
The Firm: 3/5
I Am: 3/5
Nastradamus 1/5
Stillmatic: 4.5/5
now... disregarding these two....
east coast artists better than Jay-Z include:
De La Soul:
3 Feet High...
De La Soul is Dead
Buhloone Mind State
Stakes Is High
AOI: Mosaic Thump
AOI: Bionix
not even one half-assed joint there....
A Tribe Called Quest:
Peoples Instinctive...
Low End Theory
Midnight Mauraders
Revisted Quest...
Beats Rhymes & Life
Love Movement
Anthology
only Love Movement could be considered anything less than a 4/5.
Public Enemy:
Yo Bumrush The Show
It Takes A Nation...
Fear of A Black Planet
Apocalypse 91
Muse-Sick N Hour Message
Greatest Misses
He Got Game
There's A Poison Goin On...
other than Greatest Misses which is average these are all tight albums.
Rakim:
Paid In Full
Follow The Leader
Let The Rhythm Hit Em
Dont Sweat The Technique
The 18th Letter- The Book Of Life
The Master
The Master was average... everything else was classic.
The Roots: considering these guys are the reason that Jigga's Unplugged album is off the hook....
Organix: 4/5
Do You Want More: 5/5
Illadelph halflife: 5/5
Things Fall Apart 4.5/5
The Roots Come Alive: 4.5/5
thats not including their two bangin EPs....
Pharoahe Monch:
Organized Konfusion
Stress: The Extinction Agenda
The Equinox
Internal Affairs
Ghostface:
Dope on all Wu Projects
Dope on Rae's first "solo"
Ironman
Supreme Clientele
Bulletproof Wallets
Gangstarr:
Step Into The Arena
No More Mr Nice Guy
Hard To Earn
Moment Of Truth
Full Clip
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Run-Dmc
Raising Hell
Run-DMC
Tougher Than Leather
Back From Hell
Down With The King
Crown Royal *shudder*
one brick... the rest are a must have.
Erick Sermon:
Strictly Business
Unfinished Business
Business Never Personal
Business As Usual
No Pressure
Double Or Nothing
Erick Onasis
Def Squad
Music
LL Cool J: personally i hate his newer stuff... but he's been very successful on the commercial side.
BAD
Walking Like A Panther
14 Shots To The Dome
Mama Said Knock You Out
Mr Smith
Phenomenon
GOAT
KRS One
Criminal Minded
Blueprint Of Hip-Hop
Edutainment
Sex and Violence
Return Of The boom bap
KRS-One
I Got Next
Sneak Attack
i guess if we're talking about "club" songs.. or who's more popular amoung people who dont care about lyrics... then Jigga could compete with the elite.
I'm not saying Jigga is trash. he has some brilliant material and he has charisma out the ass... but to compare his body of work to any of the artists i've listed is silly.
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im not comparing jay-z to rakim , krs , tribe , and public enemy . that is just ridiculous . and nowhere do i mention that he has made better albums than any of those artists.
"right now" = keyword
i think it was a bad idea to make this into a rating albums type of issue . im just sayin that "right now" who are the heavy hitters in the eastcoast ? the ones that are makin the most noise . Jay-z , Nas , Wu , Mobb Deep . And with all the beefin goin on and people who are takin sides i just wanted to show why Jay-z is the king of the east. at least i think so . everybody drops some weak shit ........ but i think jigga has far more shiny moments than all the others. The Wu aint put but 3 group albums now . and most of their members have some depressing albums . Nas drops 1 hott album every 10 year average lol . make that 2. Mobb is consistent but they dont seem to elevate their game with each passin album . thats why they stayin neutral.
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if the keyword is "right now" jay-z still isn't really the king of ny
commercially yeah maybe...even though dmx does outsell him
but overall talent wise? there's tons of peeps in NY that could/would exceed jay-z if they were given his possition
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but overall talent wise? there's tons of peeps in NY that could/would exceed jay-z if they were given his possition
jay-z his the king of NY right now ' the source event told it ... but like u said there some artist better then him who could have this title
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jay-z his the king of NY right now ' the source event told it ... but like u said there some artist better then him who could have this title
....if jay-z's album was produced by swizz beats and he had mystykal and nelly write his raps he'd still be considered king of NY by the source....
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if he didn't mention it maybe , but if he mention it they gonna critic this shit like crazy and gave it a 3/5 mark .. it ain't about the name
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WU are history in the rap game,jay z no!
There's only one KING in new york city....and STILL notorious b.i.g. ;)
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jay-z his the king of NY right now ' the source event told it
What... and you believe what the WACK Sell Out Source states!!
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Jay z isn't the king right now... he's the commercial king, but as far as talent, De La Soul, and the roots both still have him, as far as i'm concerned. Commercial it's jay though, if that's what he wants ::)
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WU are history in the rap game,jay z no!
There's only one KING in new york city....and STILL notorious b.i.g. ;)
Now thats the truth. Jay can make 50 albums and still wont overtop Biggie, cuz actually he bites and quotes full lines from him!!! Every Jay Z album got alotta rips from Biggie! You cant fuck wit it!
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Alright i know alot of people dont wanna hear this ....... but Jay-z is definitely the King of New York . And very well the King Of hiphop right now . The man is a legend . whether u like it or not . check out this mathematics ......
jay-z = 6 albums = 2 were wack = 4 are classic IMO.
wu tang = 4 albums = 1 was wack = 1 was IGHT = 1 was classic = 1 is still to be determined ( i dont think the new wu is gonna be a classic album . its good tho)
nas = 5 albums = 1 was classic = 1 was IGHT = 2 were STR8 WACK! = 1 is still to be determined ( i think it has a
chance to be special ...... still gotta let it soak)
Need I Say More ?
Jigga has been the most consistent artist in the rap game for some time now. Even when he dropped some wack shit (roc la familia & vol.3 s.carter) He came right back with some off the hook shit to make people like me jump back on the bandwagon . i thought i was gonna never like jigga's shit again after i heard Vol.3 ......... i didnt even cop Roc La Familia . but then he came harder than ever with Blueprint . usually when rappers fall off ........ thats exactly how they stay . FELL OFF , NOT COMIN BACK.
"Yall niggaz better learn to respect the King"
I can agree with most of what you're saying. At the current time, Jay-Z is the best in the game. Will he be a year from now? Who knows. It's hard to find a rapper that is liked by cats that are liked by both the mainstream and the Backpacker crowd. Jigga's my favorite MC nest to Eminem, not counting the ones that have passed on to the afterlife. I knid of disagree with your ratings, but not by much. I think Jigga's never dropped a wack album, but only two classics.
Reasonable Doubt: 5/5
Vol. 1: 4.0/5
Vol. 2: 3.5/5
Vol 3.: 4.0/5
Dyanasty: 4.5/5. I gave the album a second listen, take away Bleek's solo and it's a great album.
Blueprint: 5/5. Jay's best album since his first one. It would take me all day to explain why I love this album, but I'll just use the same review I posted a link to before. It practically tells the reason's why I like this album.
http://hiphopinfinity.com/Albums/JayZ_01.htm
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Benzino owns half of the source, they forfeit any journalistic credability.
Jay-Z might be the most popular cat in NY this week... but considering he got shitted on by about 80% of people who called in to say who won the battle... He's not the king of ny... and after Nas and Wu come out on the 18th he'll be even further from the spot.
Jay-Z will always sell records as long as he can continue to make commercially viable product... that doesnt make him the king of anything.... if it did then i guess Nelly was the king of hip-hop when Country Grammar was pushing 7 mill.
Nas has 3 dope albums from 1994-2001.
Jigga has 3 dope albums 1995-2001.
the difference is Jigga has more bricks, and he had to change up his style to blow up.
Common is 10 times the MC Jay-Z is... even Jay-Z had said he thinks Common is the best emcee. Drop this King Of NY shit... there isn't one... when Biggie was blowing up so was Wu and Nas... The Source just perpetuated that bullshit through their magazine.
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Nas:
Illmatic: 5/5
It Was Written: 4.5/5
The Firm: 3/5
I Am: 3/5
Nastradamus 1/5
Stillmatic: 4.5/5
Thats' how'd I'd rate his shit, alot of people hate on "It Was Written", saying he slacked of and shit, personally I love that LP, to me it's not far off the "Illmatic" level. As for "I Am" & "Nastradamus", they were'nt all that bad, that was just him trying hard to break into the mainstream, which isn't a bad thing but he made his real fans feel like he was selling out at that time. I think "Stillmatic" will gain him more respect, what i've heard so far is real shit, he just needs to equip his future material with the same ingredients from now on, keep it real.
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jay-z's ego has takin a big bashin over the last week with him bein voted the loser....hot97 officially declared Nas the winner in the battle.....that will obviously hurt jigga...gettin shitted on by the people in the city he suppoesdly WAS 'king of'.....
in a recent interview he was quiet bitter and still takin shots at nas
...so i doubt this 'beef' is over....
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see, the problem with this is the famous "2nd place always wins" theory. In a battle rap, who ever spits second ALWAYs wins, if the 2 emcees are any good. Nas went second (in this round, lol) so he had more material to burn jay-z with. Now, if jay strikes back AGAIN, he'll probably win, if you compare ether to jays' newest. the last always wins.
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I can agree with most of what you're saying. At the current time, Jay-Z is the best in the game. Will he be a year from now? Who knows. It's hard to find a rapper that is liked by cats that are liked by both the mainstream and the Backpacker crowd. Jigga's my favorite MC nest to Eminem, not counting the ones that have passed on to the afterlife. I knid of disagree with your ratings, but not by much. I think Jigga's never dropped a wack album, but only two classics.
Reasonable Doubt: 5/5
Vol. 1: 4.0/5
Vol. 2: 3.5/5
Vol 3.: 4.0/5
Dyanasty: 4.5/5. I gave the album a second listen, take away Bleek's solo and it's a great album.
Blueprint: 5/5. Jay's best album since his first one. It would take me all day to explain why I love this album, but I'll just use the same review I posted a link to before. It practically tells the reason's why I like this album.
http://hiphopinfinity.com/Albums/JayZ_01.htm
rd=4.25
vol.1=3.95
vol 2= 2.7
vol 3= 2
dynasty=1.5
bluprint=3.3
i respect your opinion though ;D
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36 chambers=5
forever=4.3
the wu=3.75
iron flag=3.9
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illmatic=5
it was written=3.8
i am=3.2
nastadamus=2.3
stilmatic=4.2
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tha only shit by jigga dat waznt solid (and far from it...ok it waz wack) iz VOL2...(he waz hungry back than...lol)...hiz other shit iz great....not all iz classic as some peepz might think i think,
but the Bluerpint and RB iz classicz fo sho.....vol3 iz great and waz far above vol2.....(not that it waz hard to bit...lol)...
but ain got dat classic feel to it....and tha dynasty iz an aight(4/5) bridge between a great piece like vol3 and tha classic blueprint....
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tha only shit by jigga dat waznt solid (and far from it...ok it waz wack) iz VOL2...(he waz hungry back than...lol)...hiz other shit iz great....not all iz classic as some peepz might think i think,
but the Bluerpint and RB iz classicz fo sho.....vol3 iz great and waz far above vol2.....(not that it waz hard to bit...lol)...
but ain got dat classic feel to it....and tha dynasty iz an aight(4/5) bridge between a great piece like vol3 and tha classic blueprint....
thats your opinion
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thats your opinion
yea it iz....and if we ended this shit wit this on tha thread we started arguein"... there would be no shit to argue bout later.....
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yea it iz....and if we ended this shit wit this on tha thread we started arguein"... there would be no shit to argue bout later.....
what?? you LIKE to argue with me???? you got something against me or something?
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what?? you LIKE to argue with me???? you got something against me or something?
WHAAAAAAAAAAAT?????????!!!!!!!....
no seriously ....can you refrase that?....I realy don get what you sayin wit those 2 lines i quoted....
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i dont think u can claim ANYone as tha KING of any city. especially places like NY n LA cus theres too many artists comin outta there. not to mention, how do u judge it? by record sales? NO. jay-z sells alot of records...yah. But do u think thas because SO many people in tha heart of NY buy his shit? or because lil kidz frum tha suburbz all go buy jay-z's watered down rap. im guessin its the second one. i mean, if u goin by record sales or popularity....then u not pickin the BEST rapper in NY....u pickin tha one that gets the most play on MTV. which usually means....they are no where close to the best rapper. not like MTV is known for showin alotta QUALITY rap....but POP rap music. (Jay-Z) So this "king on NY" shit...is jus....who u like best at tha moment. but tha judgin would hafta be left up to people in NY i think. Longevity in rap is hard to come by these dayz anywayz...peep a song by E-40....herez tha hook....
"there'll be a new nigga next year..."
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there are severals rappers better than Gay big lips z....
das efx,GURU(I Mean G-U-R-U-),Kool g rap,Marley Marl,
wu tang clan(all 9 members better than gay z)....jay z is an mtv trl teen star.
"I love dicks, dicks, dicks, dicks,
dicks i do adore....."
"I ROCK HOES,Y'ALL ROCK FELLAS" (nas,EITHER)
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'me and a-i have more in common - get it more in carmen'
call him gay and big lipped but he could get more pusssy than you will ever get in a day.
jay-z dissed nas with facts - nas dissed jay-z with fiction.
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'me and a-i have more in common - get it more in carmen'
call him gay and big lipped but he could get more pusssy than you will ever get in a day.
jay-z dissed nas with facts - nas dissed jay-z with fiction.
you right dawg...
hell yea.......im coo" wit fiction rap and shit....but when it comes to dissin" it requires much more tellant to spitt factz...otherwise itz jus" childish....
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WHAAAAAAAAAAAT?????????!!!!!!!....
no seriously ....can you refrase that?....I realy don get what you sayin wit those 2 lines i quoted....
i'm asking you if you LIKE to argue with me
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i'm asking you if you LIKE to argue with me
no.....but it realy seemz like you do....
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no.....but it realy seemz like you do....
yeah, thats why youre writing the SAME shit 20 times already gay-z's groupie
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how the fuck was Dynasty or Volume 3 tight? I'm confused by your system. If those are considered tight, then how could I Am be weak.
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how the fuck was Dynasty or Volume 3 tight? I'm confused by your system. If those are considered tight, then how could I Am be weak.
MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!!!!! i mean ifaggy thinks ALL of gay-z's album is 4.5 and up which tells you that he is just a groupie who got gay-z's cumstains on his face
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how the fuck was Dynasty or Volume 3 tight? I'm confused by your system. If those are considered tight, then how could I Am be weak.
"HOW COULD THEY BE TIGHt"????!!!....hmmm....i dunno.....
CMMON...vol3...great flowez.....great lyricz...jigga waz rippen" lyricly on dis piece.....i cant believe peepz dat call themselves true headz say they don get whatz so great in vol3.....
trackz like "so ghetto" "dope man" "anythang" "NYMP" "COME AND GET ME".....AND MO
shit....even those "Hova" skitz waz top notch...
there iz 2 reasonz why peepz might hate on this one....
either they don get tha shit for some reason (taste motives)
or they jus" don know what they talkin bout.....
there iz some peepz dat alwayz dickride westcoast shitz and say they think kurupt (4 example) iz a tight rappa.....kurupt ain even 1/100 as good as jigga.....yall jus" bein childish and diss shitz that sell cauze ya wanna show how street and gangsta you be.....lolLOL ......of course there iz rappaz dat make comersially motivated shitz.....and if it showez, it haz to be wack.....cauze they consentrate on catchyness and poppy hookz....jigga on tha other hand....got too much lyrical skillz to be even put in tha same sentence wit tha word "poppy" (may be only this time...lol).....you kiddin??? seriously......
when you say "jigga" you talkin bout one of tha brightest headz in rap...ever.....tha metaphores and tha punchlines dat other rappaz gotta rip their ass fo...(and than wanna stay consentrated on tha topic of their song).....jigga spittz like he be some kinda "punchline-sharp shit"-dictionarry.....cmmon peepz ....yall probly jus" wanna save some money by convincin yoself jigga iz wack.....and by findin yoself a reason to bootleg hiz shit....either simply not to buy it.....itz all sychological....lol ;D
yea...jigga might"ve had some non rap-head peepz bumpin hiz shit...but as many reveiwerz i respect say.....tha hip hop comunity alwayz aprisiates jiggaz skillz fo itz greatness (no party makin motives...lol).....
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yeah, thats why youre writing the SAME shit 20 times already gay-z's groupie
of course you "non gettin shit" ass .....i tried to explain my view.....but hell....now i know who im talkin too...
whatever man.....i feel sorry for you....you look mo ignorent wit every post you make....
and i got a sujestion.......letz stop argeuin" im gonna have nightmares about yo poorly ass crin" later cauze you waz bashed at tha only place peepz listen to you....
so....
peace. ;D
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of course you "non gettin shit" ass .....i tried to explain my view.....but hell....now i know who im talkin too...
whatever man.....i feel sorry for you....you look mo ignorent wit every post you make....
and i got a sujestion.......letz stop argeuin" im gonna have nightmares about yo poorly ass crin" later cauze you waz bashed at tha only place peepz listen to you....
so....
peace. ;D
she was just a groupie, shhhhhheeee was just a groupie........ ;D