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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: R-Tistic on October 08, 2006, 02:14:47 AM
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Since the decade began....what are some interesting, funny, weird, suspect, ignorant, pointless, irrational, confusing things have you seen happen with West Coast rap? Whatever you list can be described by one of those terms...or it can be 2, 3, or even all of those terms.
Here's a couple that I can drop right now...
-Many people didn't even give 213's album much of a chance because of the fact that Warren didn't produce on it...although the production was as good or even better than every Warren produced album that wasn't his debut, "Regulate: The G-Funk era"
-While we've listed 35-40 different names of west coast rappers who were going to "bring the west back" "put the west back on the map" "get the west some exposure" or "be a factor in the music industry"....we've seen 50-60 unknown rappers from the south, with 30-40 being from Atlanta, to keep coming out nationwide and make major hits.
-From what I have seen and heard, 95% of ALL young upcoming rappers in L.A. have or have had something negative to say about The Game....many say he's an average rapper, and many talk about how he wasn't real in the streets. However, 110% of them would jump on the chance to do a track with him if they had the opportunity.
-2Pac's still released more albums with "new" material since 2000 than most of the upcoming, or once upcoming West Coast rappers have....including our favorites Sly Boogy, Crooked I, Ras Kass, and many others.
-2001 was clearly a high point for the west, and everybody thought we were on our way back after being successful that year. But we ended up fallin off and being even worst than we were in 97 and 98, which were seen as being our "dead years" after running things in 94, 95, and 96.
-Some people say that west coast rap is dead, and that we have to come with a different sound in order to sell to the masses. But everytime a west coast song gets pushed hard, it ends up being a major success...such as "Tell me when to go" "How we do" and "Drop it like it's hot". On the flip side....there have been MANY songs done by other regions that had a strong west coast feel that were successful....such as Lil Jon "Play no games", Jay-Z "Change the game", T.I. "My life", Trillville "Some cut", Akon "Locked up"....which really just shows that it doesn't matter how "west coast" a track sounds, because people end up likin it when it gets heard.
-While we are waiting for "Detox" and similar albums to drop.....we might end up missing out on the next "Chronic" or "Doggystyle".....which basically means that many fans are not willing to give something new a chance because they are only looking to hear from their favorite artists...and although there haven't been any new artists to drop albums at the level of "Chronic" and "Doggystyle"....there might be some artists or camps who could be in the same stage as C.I.A. was in the 80's, meaning they are young enough to end up becoming major factors in the game, and it may just take for them to find their own sound, image, and style....but most of us will end up putting all of these artists into the same "upcoming" "unknown/nobody" category and not even giving them a chance to develop.
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-Many people didn't even give 213's album much of a chance because of the fact that Warren didn't produce on it...although the production was as good or even better than every Warren produced album that wasn't his debut, "Regulate: The G-Funk era"
True, it was slept on but it is a 213 album it shud hav had Warren producin it!
-While we've listed 35-40 different names of west coast rappers who were going to "bring the west back" "put the west back on the map" "get the west some exposure" or "be a factor in the music industry"....we've seen 50-60 unknown rappers from the south, with 30-40 being from Atlanta, to keep coming out nationwide and make major hits.
Yep, it seems like they can just pick sum southern rapper whos half decent, giv him a catchy beat beat and hey presto a top ten hit!
-2Pac's still released more albums with "new" material since 2000 than most of the upcoming, or once upcoming West Coast rappers have....including our favorites Sly Boogy, Crooked I, Ras Kass, and many others.
Yeah and its a shame that those artists hav bin workin hard 4 a long time 2 get records out and cant, but Pacs bin dead 4 10 yrs now and hes still gettin regular major label releases.
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Since the decade began....what are some interesting, funny, weird, suspect, ignorant, pointless, irrational, confusing things have you seen happen with West Coast rap? Whatever you list can be described by one of those terms...or it can be 2, 3, or even all of those terms.
Here's a couple that I can drop right now...
-Many people didn't even give 213's album much of a chance because of the fact that Warren didn't produce on it...although the production was as good or even better than every Warren produced album that wasn't his debut, "Regulate: The G-Funk era"
-While we've listed 35-40 different names of west coast rappers who were going to "bring the west back" "put the west back on the map" "get the west some exposure" or "be a factor in the music industry"....we've seen 50-60 unknown rappers from the south, with 30-40 being from Atlanta, to keep coming out nationwide and make major hits.
-From what I have seen and heard, 95% of ALL young upcoming rappers in L.A. have or have had something negative to say about The Game....many say he's an average rapper, and many talk about how he wasn't real in the streets. However, 110% of them would jump on the chance to do a track with him if they had the opportunity.
-2Pac's still released more albums with "new" material since 2000 than most of the upcoming, or once upcoming West Coast rappers have....including our favorites Sly Boogy, Crooked I, Ras Kass, and many others.
-2001 was clearly a high point for the west, and everybody thought we were on our way back after being successful that year. But we ended up fallin off and being even worst than we were in 97 and 98, which were seen as being our "dead years" after running things in 94, 95, and 96.
-Some people say that west coast rap is dead, and that we have to come with a different sound in order to sell to the masses. But everytime a west coast song gets pushed hard, it ends up being a major success...such as "Tell me when to go" "How we do" and "Drop it like it's hot". On the flip side....there have been MANY songs done by other regions that had a strong west coast feel that were successful....such as Lil Jon "Play no games", Jay-Z "Change the game", T.I. "My life", Trillville "Some cut", Akon "Locked up"....which really just shows that it doesn't matter how "west coast" a track sounds, because people end up likin it when it gets heard.
-While we are waiting for "Detox" and similar albums to drop.....we might end up missing out on the next "Chronic" or "Doggystyle".....which basically means that many fans are not willing to give something new a chance because they are only looking to hear from their favorite artists...and although there haven't been any new artists to drop albums at the level of "Chronic" and "Doggystyle"....there might be some artists or camps who could be in the same stage as C.I.A. was in the 80's, meaning they are young enough to end up becoming major factors in the game, and it may just take for them to find their own sound, image, and style....but most of us will end up putting all of these artists into the same "upcoming" "unknown/nobody" category and not even giving them a chance to develop.
LOL i bet that with warren beats the album was a classic
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Here's a couple that I can drop right now...
-Many people didn't even give 213's album much of a chance because of the fact that Warren didn't produce on it...although the production was as good or even better than every Warren produced album that wasn't his debut, "Regulate: The G-Funk era"
^^ ok that kindda irritates me. You are being an ass too right now jumpin on that band waggon "!oooh uh Warren has not made anything similar to his first record meaning he sucks" man get ya rock out cha shoe dude, Warren is better now than ever. In my opinion G Funk Era was a great record, but like Quik Warren got allllot better as a producer.
;D no diss :)
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Keep this thread going people, this could be good.
Something confusing to me is how the hell we fell off again (around 2002). We made a strong comeback around 99. Dre, Cube, Snoop, Xzibit, Kurupt, Warren G, Tha Eastsidaz, etc etc etc were all working together and touring and what not. We started getting more gold and platinum plaques on the West Coast. Then right after the Lakers finished the 3-peat, it's like things went downhill for us again...
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^^^thats because dre stopped fuckin with snoop then....its like the west NEEDS dre n snoop together....yes Xzibit, Kurupt, Warren G, Tha Eastsidaz wer all makin noise but thats cuz in sum way they had connections to dre....
its the wests infactuation with the "we need dre" mentality that holds it back
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^^^thats because dre stopped fuckin with snoop then....its like the west NEEDS dre n snoop together....yes Xzibit, Kurupt, Warren G, Tha Eastsidaz wer all makin noise but thats cuz in sum way they had connections to dre....
its the wests infactuation with the "we need dre" mentality that holds it back
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I could be wrong, but not a single hip hop album released in 2001 or 2003 from the West Coast had been certified platinum.
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-i dont think warren g's production skills are as good anymore.. im sure if it was then his production would of been on it.
-i think the west coast needs a 'new generation' of artists.. feel me on this... the early 90s everyone was looking for dre, snoop and cube.. the late 90s, everyone looking for dre, snoop and cube... the late 2000s, everyone still checking for dre, snoop and cube.. meanwhile, you see the east go thru generations of music (from wu-tang to bad boy, to roc a fella to g-unit), the south went from scarface to ugk to no limit, to all the various atl-texas rappers.. we need new sounding west coast artists.
-west coast doesnt have a powerhouse music label to push their artists.. like it or not, jerry heller and suge knight did their thing. they made sure we heard the music they wanted us to buy over and over.. there is no music exec willing to spend lots of time and money in the background of the business to push the music.. i wish someone like damon dash would move to the west, sign a bunch of artists and just go to work on them..
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-i think the west coast needs a 'new generation' of artists.. feel me on this... the early 90s everyone was looking for dre, snoop and cube.. the late 90s, everyone looking for dre, snoop and cube... the late 2000s, everyone still checking for dre, snoop and cube.. meanwhile, you see the east go thru generations of music (from wu-tang to bad boy, to roc a fella to g-unit), the south went from scarface to ugk to no limit, to all the various atl-texas rappers.. we need new sounding west coast artists.
-west coast doesnt have a powerhouse music label to push their artists.. like it or not, jerry heller and suge knight did their thing. they made sure we heard the music they wanted us to buy over and over.. there is no music exec willing to spend lots of time and money in the background of the business to push the music.. i wish someone like damon dash would move to the west, sign a bunch of artists and just go to work on them..
^^realest shit ever said
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^^^thats because dre stopped fuckin with snoop then....its like the west NEEDS dre n snoop together....yes Xzibit, Kurupt, Warren G, Tha Eastsidaz wer all makin noise but thats cuz in sum way they had connections to dre....
its the wests infactuation with the "we need dre" mentality that holds it back
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I could be wrong, but not a single hip hop album released in 2001 or 2003 from the West Coast had been certified platinum.
i think snoops albums were released and went platinum those years..
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^^^thats because dre stopped fuckin with snoop then....its like the west NEEDS dre n snoop together....yes Xzibit, Kurupt, Warren G, Tha Eastsidaz wer all makin noise but thats cuz in sum way they had connections to dre....
its the wests infactuation with the "we need dre" mentality that holds it back
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I could be wrong, but not a single hip hop album released in 2001 or 2003 from the West Coast had been certified platinum.
i think snoops albums were released and went platinum those years..
2000 - Tha Last Meal
2002 - Paid tha Cost to Be da Bo$$
2004 - R&G (Rhythm & Gangsta) The Masterpiece
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I think a lot of these older dudes need to focus more on building record labels and producing then dropping albums/mixtapes that aren't nearly on par as there earlier works. A side from Dre who is pushing their labels? Snoop is doing a little, but hasn't released anyone other then compliation albums in recent years. Death Row was the West's power house and when it fell so did the West. No one oustide is going to offer the deals, so the West has to make there own.
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I think a lot of these older dudes need to focus more on building record labels and producing
on point
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the funniest thing for me is
Afroman went Gold and was the second best selling westcoast artist that year ? erm in fact can any one confirm that for me
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^^ ok that kindda irritates me. You are being an ass too right now jumpin on that band waggon "!oooh uh Warren has not made anything similar to his first record meaning he sucks" man get ya rock out cha shoe dude, Warren is better now than ever. In my opinion G Funk Era was a great record, but like Quik Warren got allllot better as a producer.
;D no diss :)
I definitely wasn't tryin to jump onto that bandwagon at all....I liked his last few albums, and played them all. But after listenin to 213's album and listenin to his, his albums definitely weren't better as far as production goes. The "Groupie Love" remix was definitely better than 95% of the beats he'd done on his albums since Regulate...but I don't think there were too many tracks on his last album that could really step to "Run up on us" "Lovely girl" "Joysticc" "Appreciation" and the rest of that album. Yeah, Midnight hour definitely had some comparable beats with "PYT" "I need a light" "Walk these streets", and I do think it would have been dope if Warren had been able to produce 5-8 songs on the 213 album....but as it is, the album was still a dope album that I still play more than most of the west coast releases I've heard in the last few years.
And personally, I don't really think Warren has gotten better as a producer....most of my favorite tracks from him all came from 93-96....."Ain't no fun" (if you wanna say he did it), Indo Smoke, Regulate, Eastside LB, Round and Round, Regulate, This DJ, Do you see, We want ya hands up (from Nutty Professor), So many ways.....those are all my favorite beats from him, and he hasn't topped any of those since then.
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the funniest thing for me is
Afroman went Gold and was the second best selling westcoast artist that year ? erm in fact can any one confirm that for me
I think you're right. And Tha Eastsidaz' "Duces 'N Trayz: The Old Fashioned Way" was also up there.
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-i think the west coast needs a 'new generation' of artists.. feel me on this... the early 90s everyone was looking for dre, snoop and cube.. the late 90s, everyone looking for dre, snoop and cube... the late 2000s, everyone still checking for dre, snoop and cube.. meanwhile, you see the east go thru generations of music (from wu-tang to bad boy, to roc a fella to g-unit), the south went from scarface to ugk to no limit, to all the various atl-texas rappers.. we need new sounding west coast artists.
-Definitely so....the east, south, and midwest have seen numerous generations of music to drop. I think some of the west coast OG's would rather stay in the spotlight with rappin versus helpin out some youngsters, even though they preach it. At the same time....many people have said that Snoop, Mack 10, and Cube were terrible as CEO's and that they were tryin to do over their artists, which might be why their companies all collapsed...and even though he's still new, the same might be said about Game.
-west coast doesnt have a powerhouse music label to push their artists.. like it or not, jerry heller and suge knight did their thing. they made sure we heard the music they wanted us to buy over and over.. there is no music exec willing to spend lots of time and money in the background of the business to push the music.. i wish someone like damon dash would move to the west, sign a bunch of artists and just go to work on them..
Yeah we definitely need a new label to do somethin for us. Right now, I think the sound of the west is lost, so most companies won't really be able to have one style and sound that they can push like most major companies have had.....Death Row, Ruthless, No Limit, Roc-a-fella, Cash Money, usually had similar sounding artists who fit into the same sort of image, and their music had a similar sound to it. Even with Aftermath, their artists have all been very different, but it's somethin about the darkness to their sound that people still identify with. I think a new upcoming west coast company will be best off if it can do the same thing as these labels....because I can see a new company coming out with talented artists who may be too different to really promote as a whole you know. But we haven't had any new labels to do anything period.
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I personally though with the exception of In The Mid-Nite Hour, all of Warren's albums were better produced than The Hard Way.
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I've always viewed 2002 as the year everything suddenly stopped and got worse on the West
I also think the Death Row vs. Snoop thing goin on then had more of an impact than people realize...
who knows, maybe it was then that Dr. Dre said fuck y'all, we know he doesn't wanna get involved in beef... let alone with Suge
sounds stupid, but shit really got fucked up when Kurupt left the Dogg Pound
it seems everybody was beefin at that time, yes - everybody
and shit hasn't been the same since.... take it how ya want
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I find it funny how unbelievably fuckin stupid it was for the dpg to breakup. So kurupt goes back to deathrow, daz cries. tons of diss tracks go back and forth. No good music is made on either side, then like 4 years later they get back together and make music like nothing ever happened. Talk about fuckin stupid. Like dude said I think that opened the gateway for westcoast beefs.
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I've always viewed 2002 as the year everything suddenly stopped and got worse on the West
I also think the Death Row vs. Snoop thing goin on then had more of an impact than people realize...
who knows, maybe it was then that Dr. Dre said fuck y'all, we know he doesn't wanna get involved in beef... let alone with Suge
sounds stupid, but shit really got fucked up when Kurupt left the Dogg Pound
it seems everybody was beefin at that time, yes - everybody
and shit hasn't been the same since.... take it how ya want
That does sound at least a bit accurrate....and I even think that Dre and Snoop's disagreements hurt the west more than we might know. It was very strange that Dre worked with Snoop on two albums, but then had NO presence on anything related to Snoop or the Dogg Pound for a good 2-3 years after 2001 and The Wash. And that was the same time that Dre once again solidified his name as the top producer, with hits like "In da club". Snoop worked with 50 Cent, but the only time he did anything with Dre was through 50 or someone else like that. I remember that Snoop was mad because Dre was so quick to diss JD, but didn't say anything about Suge after Suge did a LOT more than JD ever did to him. And although we hoped this small incident wouldn't mean much, they might as well have had beef because Dre didn't do any work on two Snoop albums, any of Snoop's compilations or affiliated albums, or 213's album.
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I find it funny how unbelievably fuckin stupid it was for the dpg to breakup. So kurupt goes back to deathrow, daz cries. tons of diss tracks go back and forth. No good music is made on either side, then like 4 years later they get back together and make music like nothing ever happened. Talk about fuckin stupid. Like dude said I think that opened the gateway for westcoast beefs.
When I was watching the "Beef" series, they showed a clip of Kurupt bein on 106 n Park with Suge, and I had completely forgotten about that episode. I remembered watching it, and thinkin like damn, Kurupt really doesn't seem comfortable with them.
The only time I ever met Kurupt was at a July 4th picnic at Kenneth Hahn. I remember Kurupt played "I never changed" for me n my homeboy, and he was rappin along with the lyrics, and it looked like he was about to cry. It did seem shady that he got dissed by all of his "homeboys"...but at the same time, he should have realized how bad of a decision it was to get back with them after everything that his homeboys had gone through with Death Row....from him being on an album called "Escape from Death Row", to DR puttin out all types of music that they had all worked on just for Death Row's own profit, to them blatantly insulting the hell out of Snoop by calling an album "Dead man walking" and putting Snoop in all red in a casket on the back. So It would only make sense that they wouldn't be able to remain cool if he was workin back with Death Row like that.
And even though they are cool now...I wonder if the fact that they let Kurupt come back is related to why we don't see Bad Azz anywhere near them anymore. To me, him and Soopafly were the only strong future that the Dogg Pound camp had left, because Kurupt, Daz, Snoop, Nate are all gettin older and have already made their mark in the industry.
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lol @ some of this shiit
warreng> 213s production
that album remains, the biggest disappointment ever
any of warrens albums production > 213 beats
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The only time I ever met Kurupt was at a July 4th picnic at Kenneth Hahn. I remember Kurupt played "I never changed" for me n my homeboy, and he was rappin along with the lyrics, and it looked like he was about to cry. It did seem shady that he got dissed by all of his "homeboys"...but at the same time, he should have realized how bad of a decision it was to get back with them after everything that his homeboys had gone through with Death Row....from him being on an album called "Escape from Death Row", to DR puttin out all types of music that they had all worked on just for Death Row's own profit, to them blatantly insulting the hell out of Snoop by calling an album "Dead man walking" and putting Snoop in all red in a casket on the back. So It would only make sense that they wouldn't be able to remain cool if he was workin back with Death Row like that.
ya.... it was ultimately Kurupt's fault, really hard to understand why he didn't think they'd get mad...
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lol@ kurupt rappin and damn near cryin
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-Many people didn't even give 213's album much of a chance because of the fact that Warren didn't produce on it...although the production was as good or even better than every Warren produced album that wasn't his debut, "Regulate: The G-Funk era"
I gotta disagree right off the bat. Warren's production has been some bangin shit all the time. I think the record only had one or two beats that were on the level Warren's instrumentals have been on. In my humble opinion the whole project was a wasted effort with no Warren G production. There's a couple cool tracks on there, MLK to name one, but still to me one of the most suspect/fucked up things in West Coast rap ever is the fact that Warren didn't produce and make beats on The Hard Way.
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Man this is a good thread. I personally think that the fallout of Dogghouse/Doggystyle hurt also. Snoop had some nice artists that were doing DAMAGE on the charts. The whole Doggy's Angels lawsuit with Charlie's Angels hurt them because they really could not advertise but even the single did well. Whether you want to blame it on Snoop or not, the label was really starting to take off. Same with Hoo Bangin. Mack 10 had some nice artists but he was not putting them out. Hell he even got a second chance with Da Hood and that was a slept on album. But he could not capitalize off of the buzz. That right here is the downfall of almost all our artists is the fact that our artists do not capture and do something with their albums and the buzz it has created on the streets.
Death Row even when Kurupt came back, Crooked I, Eastwood. Suge did not even put NINA's album out and I can understand the whole death issue and not putting it out but that did not stop him from putting Pac out. If he would have just took a chance and put those artists out, Death Row would still be relevant. That was right during the time when Murder Inc was poppin and you can't tell me Ja and Irv would not help out Suge and put some artists on their tracks. They were even talking about droppin a Row/Inc compilation album. I think the west has had opportunites to get back in it, but it just has not happened.
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-While we are waiting for "Detox" and similar albums to drop.....we might end up missing out on the next "Chronic" or "Doggystyle".....which basically means that many fans are not willing to give something new a chance because they are only looking to hear from their favorite artists...and although there haven't been any new artists to drop albums at the level of "Chronic" and "Doggystyle"....there might be some artists or camps who could be in the same stage as C.I.A. was in the 80's, meaning they are young enough to end up becoming major factors in the game, and it may just take for them to find their own sound, image, and style....but most of us will end up putting all of these artists into the same "upcoming" "unknown/nobody" category and not even giving them a chance to develop.
That's the fucking truth. We aren't supporting the up and comers enough. That's why I go hard for Dynasty. These type of camps are on a come-up... Smoke-A-Lot is gonna get cracking soon. BWS should. But it seems every negative move they make, people wanna diss and discard em right away. If only they all had our "Detox Faith"...
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The west is too judgemental.. 94-97 was the gangster era and it was cool too talk about guns, jackings and hoes... but the one thing music does is evolve no matter how hard you fight it.. so i find it strange why people seem to think that the only way the west will rise again is if the og / new artists go back to this old reciepe of gangsta g funk rap and thats why the west wont get much mainstream attension..
The artists i have confidence in are the likes of Self Scientific, dilated people, defari etc.. i feel the "conscience rap area" is a better outlet for the music and is a big step forward for the coast as i think we have lyrically some of the most gifted artists who are capable of delivering what the west really needs.. recognition for something new and not being labeled with the same sterotype of the mid 90's...
well thats my 2 cents anway folks....
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To me the west revolves around Dre. Dre dropped The Chronic, the west was hot for 5 years. Dre dropped 2001, the west was hot for 4 years. Dre changes the game each time. But now Dre doesn't fuck with just the west now. He's nationwide now. What the west needs is for an artist to get a push. And it looks like no one is getting a push from the West that is not a "gimmick" rapper like The Game (hardcore gangsta image) and Guerilla Black (Biggie sound alike).
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It will be interesting to see what kind of push artists like Glasses, Lil Eazy and others on majors get once their albums drop. And although I know alot of people here do not like G-Unit, check for Young Hot Rod because last I checked he is west coast. I do not know how he will do once he drops but I hope he gets his just due. West West yall.
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To me the west revolves around Dre. Dre dropped The Chronic, the west was hot for 5 years. Dre dropped 2001, the west was hot for 4 years. Dre changes the game each time. But now Dre doesn't fuck with just the west now. He's nationwide now. What the west needs is for an artist to get a push. And it looks like no one is getting a push from the West that is not a "gimmick" rapper like The Game (hardcore gangsta image) and Guerilla Black (Biggie sound alike).
this what i mean.. the west is sterotyped with dre.. we shouldnt be placing the survival of the coast on one man.. true dre helped make, maintain and change the coast for many years but now its time we looked at the new producers and give them the chances & opportunities.
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About 213's album
If it Warren's name was all over the tracks on the album y'all would call it a classic..
About Tha Dogg Pound/DoggyStyle Records
Snoop is a selfish nigga and is afraid that people forget about him...thats why he's not capable of pushing his artists, and He doesnt have someone with sense to help him...I mean what kind of stupid fool...wouldnt release an album by Lady Of Rage or Soopafly? If Snoop wasnt focussed on his fame, he would push Lady Of Rage and bring her to the studio with Dre, Timbo and Primo
About The West Coast
There is not enough Executive producers in my opinion..thats what they need...everybody and their mama wants to have their own label but doesnt have the mind to handle most of it , The west needs more professional people that are ready to invest in the up and coming artists. The youngsters cant really count on Dr.Dre because he's basically a puppet to Interscope, they cant really count on Snoop because he's getting old and he's currently focussing on himself to not be history..so they need real Business Mens, to push their albums...
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^^True, that thing you said about Snoop. I don't understand how he runs his label. What is the process of putting albums and artists out? And not only Rage and Soopa but Fred Wreck. I was surprised to see Soopa doing beats on CIA. That was about the only thing that sounded DP on the whole album.
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About The West Coast
There is not enough Executive producers in my opinion..thats what they need...everybody and their mama wants to have their own label but doesnt have the mind to handle most of it , The west needs more professional people that are ready to invest in the up and coming artists. The youngsters cant really count on Dr.Dre because he's basically a puppet to Interscope, they cant really count on Snoop because he's getting old and he's currently focussing on himself to not be history..so they need real Business Mens, to push their albums...
I agree. The west needs a hot up and coming label. hot rapper/producer + a suge knight/jerry heller type person to get things done.
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Wasent Kurupt goin broke he needed help financially thats why he went to Suge said Snoop wasent tryn to help so he went to Suge. I think gotti even mentioned sumthin about this on the originals cd
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Wasent Kurupt goin broke he needed help financially thats why he went to Suge said Snoop wasent tryn to help so he went to Suge. I think gotti even mentioned sumthin about this on the originals cd
Yep. I guess Snoop wanted him to say broke instead of make a deal with the devil. ;D Kurupt said in a interview that Snoop called him and told him he would help him out and send over a limo or something to get him but he was not happy about him signing with Suge. The limo never came by. I want to know what kind of record deal did he have with Antra. There is no way he was VP of that company.
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The trend right now seems to be no name rappers with marginal talent gangbanging on message boards, myspace, youtube and web site interviews and dissin rappers that have more talent than they do.
"There's a lot of mad rappers walking around Los Angeles..." -- DJ Quik
That line sums up what's happened out here. Cats out here have gotten lazy. They think they can pass over some bullshit on us and we'll run out and buy it just because they're west coast. They think they can throw up a myspace page, put out some bullshit mixtapes full of wack music and we'll pay $10 for it. Whatever happened to paying dues, getting your weight up in the underground and establish artistical and musical credibility? On top ofo that, rappers only want to diss other rappers and hate on those that have more talent or have more success than they do. Many rappers out here are straight up childish with their behaviour and the way they act for the most part is ignorant and shameful. Then they wonder why the industry ain't fuckin with us.
One thing that's obvious is that people have grown weary of the same old shit. People are tired about hearing about guns, gangbanging and all that bullshit. You look at what's hot and it's mostly party music.
I'm not saying that the west coast should do what the south is doing, but the west coast needs to get back to making quality music again. We can't be stuck in '93. It's 2006 and cats still want to rap about the same old shit that's been beaten to death for the last 18 years or so. Plus cats need to get smarter on the business tip. What has happened to Crooked I and Sly Boogy should not be happening, they should each have several albums out but they don't. If MC Eiht can release records every 6 months, why can't they? Cats are holding themselves back from success.
Also the fans need to get behind the new artists that are doing something new, that are being creative and bringing something to the table. We have to do our part by bigging up those that are being creative and different. We need to support the Zion I's and the Murs out there along with the Game's and Snoop's out there too. There is talent out there that isn't getting heard because they're not engaging in immature attention whoring tactics. If the music is good, they deserve support.
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To me the west revolves around Dre. Dre dropped The Chronic, the west was hot for 5 years. Dre dropped 2001, the west was hot for 4 years. Dre changes the game each time. But now Dre doesn't fuck with just the west now. He's nationwide now. What the west needs is for an artist to get a push. And it looks like no one is getting a push from the West that is not a "gimmick" rapper like The Game (hardcore gangsta image) and Guerilla Black (Biggie sound alike).
this what i mean.. the west is sterotyped with dre.. we shouldnt be placing the survival of the coast on one man.. true dre helped make, maintain and change the coast for many years but now its time we looked at the new producers and give them the chances & opportunities.
I definitely agree...and I'm not even saying that because I'm a producer. I think there are producers like Terrance Martin who are a lot better than I am, and they need to get at least some of the exposure and hype that Dre will get. People would rather hear a 6/10 or 7/10 Dre beat than a 9/10 or 10/10 beat. Dre is damn near 40 years old....we need some new blood!!
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lol @ some of this shiit
warreng> 213s production
that album remains, the biggest disappointment ever
any of warrens albums production > 213 beats
Fuck that, the Missy Elliott beat on 213 was nice. Even if it was a played out sample.
And that Quik quote "There's alot of mad rappers walking around Los Angeles" = The answer of this whole thread
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About 213's album
If it Warren's name was all over the tracks on the album y'all would call it a classic..
About Tha Dogg Pound/DoggyStyle Records
Snoop is a selfish nigga and is afraid that people forget about him...thats why he's not capable of pushing his artists, and He doesnt have someone with sense to help him...I mean what kind of stupid fool...wouldnt release an album by Lady Of Rage or Soopafly? If Snoop wasnt focussed on his fame, he would push Lady Of Rage and bring her to the studio with Dre, Timbo and Primo
About The West Coast
There is not enough Executive producers in my opinion..thats what they need...everybody and their mama wants to have their own label but doesnt have the mind to handle most of it , The west needs more professional people that are ready to invest in the up and coming artists. The youngsters cant really count on Dr.Dre because he's basically a puppet to Interscope, they cant really count on Snoop because he's getting old and he's currently focussing on himself to not be history..so they need real Business Mens, to push their albums...
Damn....blunt, but once again, real spit. I agree with that, even though I wish it wasn't the truth
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Since the decade began....what are some interesting, funny, weird, suspect, ignorant, pointless, irrational, confusing things have you seen happen with West Coast rap? Whatever you list can be described by one of those terms...or it can be 2, 3, or even all of those terms.
Here's a couple that I can drop right now...
-Many people didn't even give 213's album much of a chance because of the fact that Warren didn't produce on it...although the production was as good or even better than every Warren produced album that wasn't his debut, "Regulate: The G-Funk era"
-While we've listed 35-40 different names of west coast rappers who were going to "bring the west back" "put the west back on the map" "get the west some exposure" or "be a factor in the music industry"....we've seen 50-60 unknown rappers from the south, with 30-40 being from Atlanta, to keep coming out nationwide and make major hits.
-From what I have seen and heard, 95% of ALL young upcoming rappers in L.A. have or have had something negative to say about The Game....many say he's an average rapper, and many talk about how he wasn't real in the streets. However, 110% of them would jump on the chance to do a track with him if they had the opportunity.
-2Pac's still released more albums with "new" material since 2000 than most of the upcoming, or once upcoming West Coast rappers have....including our favorites Sly Boogy, Crooked I, Ras Kass, and many others.
-2001 was clearly a high point for the west, and everybody thought we were on our way back after being successful that year. But we ended up fallin off and being even worst than we were in 97 and 98, which were seen as being our "dead years" after running things in 94, 95, and 96.
-Some people say that west coast rap is dead, and that we have to come with a different sound in order to sell to the masses. But everytime a west coast song gets pushed hard, it ends up being a major success...such as "Tell me when to go" "How we do" and "Drop it like it's hot". On the flip side....there have been MANY songs done by other regions that had a strong west coast feel that were successful....such as Lil Jon "Play no games", Jay-Z "Change the game", T.I. "My life", Trillville "Some cut", Akon "Locked up"....which really just shows that it doesn't matter how "west coast" a track sounds, because people end up likin it when it gets heard.
-While we are waiting for "Detox" and similar albums to drop.....we might end up missing out on the next "Chronic" or "Doggystyle".....which basically means that many fans are not willing to give something new a chance because they are only looking to hear from their favorite artists...and although there haven't been any new artists to drop albums at the level of "Chronic" and "Doggystyle"....there might be some artists or camps who could be in the same stage as C.I.A. was in the 80's, meaning they are young enough to end up becoming major factors in the game, and it may just take for them to find their own sound, image, and style....but most of us will end up putting all of these artists into the same "upcoming" "unknown/nobody" category and not even giving them a chance to develop.
you are on point. I agree with basically every point you made here. Westcoast fans are afraid of change and imo that is what keeps dragging the west down. Fans bash westcoast artists for doing the same things over and over again but whenever a westcoast artist tries something new the majority of the fans dont like that either.
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Cats out here have gotten lazy. They think they can pass over some bullshit on us and we'll run out and buy it just because they're west coast. They think they can throw up a myspace page, put out some bullshit mixtapes full of wack music and we'll pay $10 for it. Whatever happened to paying dues, getting your weight up in the underground and establish artistical and musical credibility? On top ofo that, rappers only want to diss other rappers and hate on those that have more talent or have more success than they do. Many rappers out here are straight up childish with their behaviour and the way they act for the most part is ignorant and shameful. Then they wonder why the industry ain't fuckin with us.
co-sign