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WASHINGTON (Oct. 28) - Red Auerbach, the Hall of Fame coach who led the Boston Celtics to nine NBA championships in the 1950s and 1960s, died Saturday. He was 89.
Auerbach won 938 games with the Celtics and was the winningest coach in NBA history until Lenny Wilkens overtook him in the 1994-95 season. As general manager, the straight-talking Auerbach, who celebrated victories with a postgame cigar, was also the architect of Celtics teams that won seven more titles in the 1970s and 1980s.
Auerbach's death was announced by the Celtics, for whom he still served as team president. The team said the upcoming season would be dedicated in his honor.
He died of a heart attack near his home in Washington , according to an NBA official, who declined to be identified because the family had not made an official announcement. His last public appearance was on Wednesday, when he received the U.S. Navy's Lone Sailor Award in front of family and friends in ceremonies in Washington.
"Red was a guy who always introduced new things," Steve Pagliuca, a Celtics managing partner, told The Associated Press in an interview this month. "He had some of the first black players in the league and some people didn't like that, but you've got to do what's right for the fans. So I think we tried to do things thoughtfully. We didn't come in here and change everything overnight."
Born Arnold Auerbach in Brooklyn, N.Y. on Sept. 20, 1917, Auerbach was inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame in 1968.
"I never thought he'd die," said author John Feinstein, who last year collaborated on a book with Auerbach on the coach's reflections of more than 70 years in basketball. "He was a unique personality, a combination of toughness and great, great caring about people. He cared about people much more than it showed in his public face, and that's why people cared about him."
With the Celtics, he made deals that brought Bill Russell , Robert Parish and Kevin McHale to Boston. He drafted Larry Bird a year early when the Indiana State star was a junior to make sure Bird would come to Boston. The jersey No. 2 was retired in Auerbach's honor during the 1984-85 season.
He coached championship teams, including eight straight from 1959 through 1966, that featured players such as Russell, Bob Cousy , Tom Heinsohn, Bill Sharman, K.C. Jones and Sam Jones, all inducted into the Hall of Fame.
Phil Jackson matched Auerbach's record nine championships when the Los Angeles Lakers won the title in 2001-02.
After stepping down as general manager in 1984, Auerbach served as president of the Celtics and occasionally attended team practices into the mid-1990s, although his role in the draft and personnel decisions had diminished.
When Rick Pitino became coach in 1997, he also took the president's title and Auerbach became vice chairman of the board. After Pitino resigned on Jan. 8, 2001, Auerbach regained the title of president and remained vice chairman.
The team was sold on Dec. 31, 2002, to a group headed by Wyc Grousbeck and Auerbach stayed on as president.
Through all those titles, Auerbach didn't lose his direct manner of speaking, such as when he discussed the parquet floor of the Boston Garden shortly before the Celtics' longtime home closed in September 1995.
"The whole thing was a myth," Auerbach said. "People thought not only that there were dead spots, but that we knew where every one was and we could play accordingly.
"Now, did you ever watch a ballplayer go up and down the court at that speed and pick out a dead spot?" he asked. "If our players worried about that, thinking that's going to help them win, they're out of their cotton-picking mind. But if the other team thought that: Hey, good for us."
As Celtics president, Auerbach shuttled between Boston and his home in the nation's capital, where he led an active lifestyle that included playing racquetball and tennis into his mid-70s.
Auerbach underwent two procedures in May 1993 to clear blocked arteries. He had been bothered by chest discomfort at various times beginning in 1986.
Auerbach was also hospitalized a year ago, but he was soon active again and attended the Celtics' home opener. Asked that night what his thoughts were, he replied in his usual blunt manner: "What goes through your mind is, 'When the hell are we going to win another one?' I mean, it's as simple as that."
Auerbach had planned to be at the Celtics' 2006-07 opener, in Boston next Wednesday against the New Orleans Hornets .
In his 16 seasons as Boston's coach, he berated referees and paced the sideline with a rolled-up program in his clenched fist. The cigar came out when he was sure of another Celtics' victory.
He had a 938-479 regular-season coaching record and a 99-69 playoff mark.
Auerbach had a reputation as a keen judge of talent who always seemed to get the best of trades with fellow NBA coaches and general managers.
In 1956, he traded Ed Macauley and Cliff Hagan to St. Louis for the Hawks ' first-round pick and ended up with Russell - probably the greatest defensive center of all time and the heart of 11 championship teams.
In 1978, he drafted Bird in the first round even though he would have to wait a year before the forward could become a professional.
Before the 1980 draft, the Celtics traded the top choice to Golden State for Parish and the third choice. The Warriors took Joe Barry Carroll. The Celtics chose McHale.
In 1981, Boston chose Brigham Young guard Danny Ainge in the second round. Ainge was playing baseball in the Toronto Blue Jays organization at the time, but was freed after a court battle to play for the Celtics.
In June 1983, another one-sided deal brought guard Dennis Johnson from Phoenix for seldom-used backup center Rick Robey.
Auerbach attended Seth Low Junior College in New York and George Washington University. His playing career was undistinguished. In three seasons at George Washington he scored 334 points in 56 games - a 6.0 average. He would often attend games at GW's Smith Center.
He was an instant coaching success, posting the best record of his career in his first season. He led the Washington Capitols to a 49-11 mark in 1946-47, the NBA's debut season, and took them to the playoff semifinals.
The Capitols had winning records the next two seasons under Auerbach, who moved on to the Tri-Cities Blackhawks for one season in 1949-50. They had a 28-29 mark, Auerbach's only losing record in 20 years as an NBA coach.
In the NBA's first four seasons, the Celtics never had a winning record. But Auerbach changed that dramatically when he succeeded Alvin "Doggy" Julian as Boston's coach for the 1950-51 campaign.
They went 39-30 that season, and the Celtics never had a losing record in his 16 seasons as coach. Boston never had a winning percentage below .611 in his last 10 seasons.
His last game as coach was on April 28, 1966, when Boston edged the Lakers 95-93 in Game 7 of the finals to win the NBA title. He was just 48 years old, but ready to move on.
On Feb. 13 of that season, Auerbach was honored at halftime of a loss to Los Angeles at Boston Garden.
"They say that losing comes easier as you grow older," he said after the game. "But losing keeps getting harder for me. I just can't take it like I used to. It's time for me to step out."
Russell became player-coach the next season, while Auerbach concentrated on his job as general manager. Russell was the first of five Boston coaches who had played for Auerbach.
Auerbach is survived by two daughters, Nancy Auerbach Collins and Randy Auerbach; his granddaughter, Julie Auerbach Flieger, and three great-grandchildren.
RIP to one of the greatest NBA coaches ever. He lived a great life.
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RIP to the greatest NBA coach of all time.
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RIP to the greatest NBA coach of all time.
exactly
Red Auerbach>>>phil Jackson
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RIP to the greatest NBA coach of all time.
exactly
Red Auerbach>>>phil Jackson
No need to do that, Red > *
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Damn, that really sucks, i really wanted him to be alive so he could see Phil win his 10th, 11, 12 tittle the next couple of years ;D 8) :nahnah:
Phil>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Red
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Nothing but respect for a man who's made the history of this game. He was an "enemy" of the Lakers and Phil Jackson, but it doesn't matter today. It's just time to celebrate him and his life. R.I.P.
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Nothing but respect for a man who's made the history of this game. He was an "enemy" of the Lakers and Phil Jackson, but it doesn't matter today. It's just time to celebrate him and his life. R.I.P.
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Nothing but respect for a man who's made the history of this game. He was an "enemy" of the Lakers and Phil Jackson, but it doesn't matter today. It's just time to celebrate him and his life. R.I.P.
real talk from a mature Laker fan
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Red was tempted to say no hotel, no games. But he remembered the State Department briefing and President Johnson's warning about being patient. So he asked for a schedule which he had not yet been given, for the team. There were games every night. That was fine.
"Don't you want us to do any clinics while we're here?" Red asked the federation head.
We don't need your clinics," he was told. "In the last World Championships, our team finished ahead of the American team."
Red didn't know whether to laugh or cry. The United States had been represented in the World Championships the year before by a group of college players, not even particularly distinguished college players since the event was not considered very important back then. "How do I explain that to this guy?" he said. "How do I tell him those were kids, these are pros, the best players in the world?"
There was really only one way to explain. But before the team could prove their superiority, there was one more glitch.
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"A flag was found. The game was played. And the Americans made it clear that there's a difference between college kids and pros. Knowing that the Yugoslav team probably thought it was every bit as good as the Americans, Red gave very explicit pregame instructions: "No letting up," he said. "Beat them as badly as you can." Then, turning to Russell, he pointed at the star of the Yugoslav team, a six-eight redhead named Belov. "He scores once and I'll have your head," he said. "I mean it, once."
When the game began, the Yugoslavs went straight to Belov as soon as they got the ball. He made a spin move on Russell, turned, and Russell blocked the shot, starting a fast break the other way. Five times, the Yugoslavs got the ball; five times Russell blocked a shot. The sixth time down, Belov caught the all thirty feet from the basket and, with Russell racing at him, heaved a shot that hit the side of the backboard and bounced away as the crowd hooted. A few seconds later, with the Americans already up twenty, the Yugoslav coach called time.
"Russell," Red screamed, "I'm gonna kill you! You let the guy hit the backboard!"
The next time Belov caught the ball, he tried to go up-and-under Russell, who slammed the ball back at him so hard it hit him in the head and bounced away. Completely exasperated, Belov grabbed the ball, kicked it into the stands, and was promptly ejected.
"Russell runs by the bench, looks at me, and winks," Red remembered.
The Americans won by fifty-five. Red spent most of the second half eating ice cream on the bench, legs crossed just to make it absolutely clear that this game was too easy to even merit his attention. That night, at a postgame banquet, the head of the Yugoslav federation asked Red if perhaps the Americans might do a clinic the next day.
Red's first response was direct: "Tell him," he said to the interpreter, "I got two words for him: no way."
"I am always willing to fogive," Red likes to say, "But I never -- ever -- forget."
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RIP to the greatest NBA coach of all time.
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Damn, that really sucks, i really wanted him to be alive so he could see Phil win his 10th, 11, 12 tittle the next couple of years ;D 8) :nahnah:
Phil>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Red
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^^Exactly my thoughts...Nonetheless, RIP to a great coach...Was never really AS great of a person in my opinion though.
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Damn, that really sucks, i really wanted him to be alive so he could see Phil win his 10th, 11, 12 tittle the next couple of years ;D 8) :nahnah:
Phil>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Red
(http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/Themes/dubcc/images/post/smiley.gif)
^^Exactly my thoughts...Nonetheless, RIP to a great coach...Was never really AS great of a person in my opinion though.
Exactly My Thoughts!?!? You Laker fans act SO PATHETIC some times. The legend and greatest coach ever dies and all you have to say is "I wish he was still alive to watch Phil win 3 more titles" HOW DUMB! First off that could never happen cause Kobe doesnt have Shaq anymore so he probably wont ever win another title although Shaq did. You Laker fans are a riot, so biased its disgusting. Damn NIK I expected more out of you, Exactly My Thoughts, lol all you have to say about Red is u wish he could watch Phil win more titles, I hate Shaq and The Heat but now Im kinda happy they won it all cause it put u Laker fans in place, Shaq w/out Kobe 1 Title, Kobe w/out Shaq only 1 trip to playoffs in 2 years, Shaq >Kobe
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RIP Red.
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Damn, that really sucks, i really wanted him to be alive so he could see Phil win his 10th, 11, 12 tittle the next couple of years ;D 8) :nahnah:
Phil>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Red
(http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/Themes/dubcc/images/post/smiley.gif)
^^Exactly my thoughts...Nonetheless, RIP to a great coach...Was never really AS great of a person in my opinion though.
Exactly My Thoughts!?!? You Laker fans act SO PATHETIC some times. The legend and greatest coach ever dies and all you have to say is "I wish he was still alive to watch Phil win 3 more titles" HOW DUMB! First off that could never happen cause Kobe doesnt have Shaq anymore so he probably wont ever win another title although Shaq did. You Laker fans are a riot, so biased its disgusting. Damn NIK I expected more out of you, Exactly My Thoughts, lol all you have to say about Red is u wish he could watch Phil win more titles, I hate Shaq and The Heat but now Im kinda happy they won it all cause it put u Laker fans in place, Shaq w/out Kobe 1 Title, Kobe w/out Shaq only 1 trip to playoffs in 2 years, Shaq >Kobe
LOL, stop crying like a little bitch. Red Aurebach wasn't the greatest of people, you don't know shit about him. I don't know him, but I know enough about him and the things he's done to believe such. Phil Jackson is a WAY better coach in my and most peoples opinion, and he will no doubt break Red's record by the time he retires... that's what I mostly care about, I don't feel sad for anything, sorry that you can't handle that...Red Aurebach even recently talked mad shit about Phil and has always HATED the Laker organization. He LOVED rubbing shit in the Lakers face, anything to feel on top of them, that's what he made his reputation off of...To say that I'm upset that Phil won't be able to now rub his next title in Aurebach's face is EXTREMELY valid...I mean, sucks for him that he went out, I feel for those close to him and everything, but he meant absolutely NOTHING to me...PeACe
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Damn, that really sucks, i really wanted him to be alive so he could see Phil win his 10th, 11, 12 tittle the next couple of years ;D 8) :nahnah:
Phil>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Red
(http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/Themes/dubcc/images/post/smiley.gif)
^^Exactly my thoughts...Nonetheless, RIP to a great coach...Was never really AS great of a person in my opinion though.
Exactly My Thoughts!?!? You Laker fans act SO PATHETIC some times. The legend and greatest coach ever dies and all you have to say is "I wish he was still alive to watch Phil win 3 more titles" HOW DUMB! First off that could never happen cause Kobe doesnt have Shaq anymore so he probably wont ever win another title although Shaq did. You Laker fans are a riot, so biased its disgusting. Damn NIK I expected more out of you, Exactly My Thoughts, lol all you have to say about Red is u wish he could watch Phil win more titles, I hate Shaq and The Heat but now Im kinda happy they won it all cause it put u Laker fans in place, Shaq w/out Kobe 1 Title, Kobe w/out Shaq only 1 trip to playoffs in 2 years, Shaq >Kobe
LOL, stop crying like a little bitch. Red Aurebach wasn't the greatest of people, you don't know shit about him. I don't know him, but I know enough about him and the things he's done to believe such. Phil Jackson is a WAY better coach in my and most peoples opinion, and he will no doubt break Red's record by the time he retires... that's what I mostly care about, I don't feel sad for anything, sorry that you can't handle that...Red Aurebach even recently talked mad shit about Phil and has always HATED the Laker organization. He LOVED rubbing shit in the Lakers face, anything to feel on top of them, that's what he made his reputation off of...To say that I'm upset that Phil won't be able to now rub his next title in Aurebach's face is EXTREMELY valid...I mean, sucks for him that he went out, I feel for those close to him and everything, but he meant absolutely NOTHING to me...PeACe
It's just very lame NIK, And lol @ me acting like a bitch, I will say it again I like u Nik in fact u are one of my fav posters here and I like talkng ball with you but you're Laker bias is out of hand sometimes. And when I said Shaq>Kobe of course I didnt mean that but u Laker fans just bring it on yourselves some times. I dont care that Red wasnt a "good person" Kobe isnt a real good person either but he still cant do any wrong in your eyes, lol at using "not a good person" to discredit Red, is that all you got?
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Damn, that really sucks, i really wanted him to be alive so he could see Phil win his 10th, 11, 12 tittle the next couple of years ;D 8) :nahnah:
Phil>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Red
(http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/Themes/dubcc/images/post/smiley.gif)
^^Exactly my thoughts...Nonetheless, RIP to a great coach...Was never really AS great of a person in my opinion though.
Exactly My Thoughts!?!? You Laker fans act SO PATHETIC some times. The legend and greatest coach ever dies and all you have to say is "I wish he was still alive to watch Phil win 3 more titles" HOW DUMB! First off that could never happen cause Kobe doesnt have Shaq anymore so he probably wont ever win another title although Shaq did. You Laker fans are a riot, so biased its disgusting. Damn NIK I expected more out of you, Exactly My Thoughts, lol all you have to say about Red is u wish he could watch Phil win more titles, I hate Shaq and The Heat but now Im kinda happy they won it all cause it put u Laker fans in place, Shaq w/out Kobe 1 Title, Kobe w/out Shaq only 1 trip to playoffs in 2 years, Shaq >Kobe
LOL, stop crying like a little bitch. Red Aurebach wasn't the greatest of people, you don't know shit about him. I don't know him, but I know enough about him and the things he's done to believe such. Phil Jackson is a WAY better coach in my and most peoples opinion, and he will no doubt break Red's record by the time he retires... that's what I mostly care about, I don't feel sad for anything, sorry that you can't handle that...Red Aurebach even recently talked mad shit about Phil and has always HATED the Laker organization. He LOVED rubbing shit in the Lakers face, anything to feel on top of them, that's what he made his reputation off of...To say that I'm upset that Phil won't be able to now rub his next title in Aurebach's face is EXTREMELY valid...I mean, sucks for him that he went out, I feel for those close to him and everything, but he meant absolutely NOTHING to me...PeACe
It's just very lame NIK, And lol @ me acting like a bitch, I will say it again I like u Nik in fact u are one of my fav posters here and I like talkng ball with you but you're Laker bias is out of hand sometimes. And when I said Shaq>Kobe of course I didnt mean that but u Laker fans just bring it on yourselves some times. I dont care that Red wasnt a "good person" Kobe isnt a real good person either but he still cant do any wrong in your eyes, lol at using "not a good person" to discredit Red, is that all you got?
Kobe isn't a good person? LMAO...Look at you, man, you're like one of those fans who's brain is runned by the media. Nothing is lame, other than the fact that you hopped up on me for stating my opinion, which was that Phil>Aurebach and that I wanted Aurebach to witness Phil beating his record...You had no right tryna get on me for that, calling me "pathetic" and saying you're happy that Wade and the refs won a title for Shaq. LOL. I have no beef with anyone on here, I always just say what I feel and people choose to either ride my nuts for it, disregard it, or respect it and move on...PeACe
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Damn, that really sucks, i really wanted him to be alive so he could see Phil win his 10th, 11, 12 tittle the next couple of years ;D 8) :nahnah:
Phil>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Red
(http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/Themes/dubcc/images/post/smiley.gif)
^^Exactly my thoughts...Nonetheless, RIP to a great coach...Was never really AS great of a person in my opinion though.
Exactly My Thoughts!?!? You Laker fans act SO PATHETIC some times. The legend and greatest coach ever dies and all you have to say is "I wish he was still alive to watch Phil win 3 more titles" HOW DUMB! First off that could never happen cause Kobe doesnt have Shaq anymore so he probably wont ever win another title although Shaq did. You Laker fans are a riot, so biased its disgusting. Damn NIK I expected more out of you, Exactly My Thoughts, lol all you have to say about Red is u wish he could watch Phil win more titles, I hate Shaq and The Heat but now Im kinda happy they won it all cause it put u Laker fans in place, Shaq w/out Kobe 1 Title, Kobe w/out Shaq only 1 trip to playoffs in 2 years, Shaq >Kobe
LOL, stop crying like a little bitch. Red Aurebach wasn't the greatest of people, you don't know shit about him. I don't know him, but I know enough about him and the things he's done to believe such. Phil Jackson is a WAY better coach in my and most peoples opinion, and he will no doubt break Red's record by the time he retires... that's what I mostly care about, I don't feel sad for anything, sorry that you can't handle that...Red Aurebach even recently talked mad shit about Phil and has always HATED the Laker organization. He LOVED rubbing shit in the Lakers face, anything to feel on top of them, that's what he made his reputation off of...To say that I'm upset that Phil won't be able to now rub his next title in Aurebach's face is EXTREMELY valid...I mean, sucks for him that he went out, I feel for those close to him and everything, but he meant absolutely NOTHING to me...PeACe
It's just very lame NIK, And lol @ me acting like a bitch, I will say it again I like u Nik in fact u are one of my fav posters here and I like talkng ball with you but you're Laker bias is out of hand sometimes. And when I said Shaq>Kobe of course I didnt mean that but u Laker fans just bring it on yourselves some times. I dont care that Red wasnt a "good person" Kobe isnt a real good person either but he still cant do any wrong in your eyes, lol at using "not a good person" to discredit Red, is that all you got?
Kobe isn't a good person? LMAO...Look at you, man, you're like one of those fans who's brain is runned by the media. Nothing is lame, other than the fact that you hopped up on me for stating my opinion, which was that Phil>Aurebach and that I wanted Aurebach to witness Phil beating his record...You had no right tryna get on me for that, calling me "pathetic" and saying you're happy that Wade and the refs won a title for Shaq. LOL. I have no beef with anyone on here, I always just say what I feel and people choose to either ride my nuts for it, disregard it, or respect it and move on...PeACe
I HATE THE MEDIA! Lmao my favorite athlete ever is Barry Bonds, you can just imagine what I think about the media. Nik what would you think if when Phil dies a Sacramento Kings fan barely acknowledges his accomplishments and fails to give him the credit he deserves because he dissed the city of Sac several times. That is the equivalent of what you did with Red. The fact is this guy is acknowledged as the best coach ever (only Laker fans disagree) so when he dies, regardless of what he has said about your favorite team, you should show the guy his proper respect and any other coach shouldnt even be mentioned, this is a time to honor Red, Phil has no business in this conversation.
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Damn, that really sucks, i really wanted him to be alive so he could see Phil win his 10th, 11, 12 tittle the next couple of years ;D 8) :nahnah:
Phil>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Red
(http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/Themes/dubcc/images/post/smiley.gif)
^^Exactly my thoughts...Nonetheless, RIP to a great coach...Was never really AS great of a person in my opinion though.
Exactly My Thoughts!?!? You Laker fans act SO PATHETIC some times. The legend and greatest coach ever dies and all you have to say is "I wish he was still alive to watch Phil win 3 more titles" HOW DUMB! First off that could never happen cause Kobe doesnt have Shaq anymore so he probably wont ever win another title although Shaq did. You Laker fans are a riot, so biased its disgusting. Damn NIK I expected more out of you, Exactly My Thoughts, lol all you have to say about Red is u wish he could watch Phil win more titles, I hate Shaq and The Heat but now Im kinda happy they won it all cause it put u Laker fans in place, Shaq w/out Kobe 1 Title, Kobe w/out Shaq only 1 trip to playoffs in 2 years, Shaq >Kobe
LOL, stop crying like a little bitch. Red Aurebach wasn't the greatest of people, you don't know shit about him. I don't know him, but I know enough about him and the things he's done to believe such. Phil Jackson is a WAY better coach in my and most peoples opinion, and he will no doubt break Red's record by the time he retires... that's what I mostly care about, I don't feel sad for anything, sorry that you can't handle that...Red Aurebach even recently talked mad shit about Phil and has always HATED the Laker organization. He LOVED rubbing shit in the Lakers face, anything to feel on top of them, that's what he made his reputation off of...To say that I'm upset that Phil won't be able to now rub his next title in Aurebach's face is EXTREMELY valid...I mean, sucks for him that he went out, I feel for those close to him and everything, but he meant absolutely NOTHING to me...PeACe
It's just very lame NIK, And lol @ me acting like a bitch, I will say it again I like u Nik in fact u are one of my fav posters here and I like talkng ball with you but you're Laker bias is out of hand sometimes. And when I said Shaq>Kobe of course I didnt mean that but u Laker fans just bring it on yourselves some times. I dont care that Red wasnt a "good person" Kobe isnt a real good person either but he still cant do any wrong in your eyes, lol at using "not a good person" to discredit Red, is that all you got?
Kobe isn't a good person? LMAO...Look at you, man, you're like one of those fans who's brain is runned by the media. Nothing is lame, other than the fact that you hopped up on me for stating my opinion, which was that Phil>Aurebach and that I wanted Aurebach to witness Phil beating his record...You had no right tryna get on me for that, calling me "pathetic" and saying you're happy that Wade and the refs won a title for Shaq. LOL. I have no beef with anyone on here, I always just say what I feel and people choose to either ride my nuts for it, disregard it, or respect it and move on...PeACe
I HATE THE MEDIA! Lmao my favorite athlete ever is Barry Bonds, you can just imagine what I think about the media. Nik what would you think if when Phil dies a Sacramento Kings fan barely acknowledges his accomplishments and fails to give him the credit he deserves because he dissed the city of Sac several times. That is the equivalent of what you did with Red. The fact is this guy is acknowledged as the best coach ever (only Laker fans disagree) so when he dies, regardless of what he has said about your favorite team, you should show the guy his proper respect and any other coach shouldnt even be mentioned, this is a time to honor Red, Phil has no business in this conversation.
LMAO! You guys brought up Phil Jackson...And where did I fail to give him the credit he deserves? I even said "RIP to a great coach"...It's also extremely stupid to say "only Laker fans think Phil is better than Aurebach"...You have nothing on me, man, stop whining about it...LOL.
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^^I never said anything about Phil in my initial post
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Nothing but respect for a man who's made the history of this game. He was an "enemy" of the Lakers and Phil Jackson, but it doesn't matter today. It's just time to celebrate him and his life. R.I.P.
real talk from a mature Laker fan
Stil on my nuts, Wigger? :-*
And lol @ spice girl acting like a little bitch...you're the one who startetd it by saying "RIP to the greatest coach of all time"...that was obviously a shot at phil..it wasn't an opinion or a fact, it was a shot at phil..
And then dumb & dumber come in to this thread co-signing you "real talk. real spit, Red >>phil" ::) ::)....you guys turned this in to a Phil vs Red thread.
And Phil is the All-Time leader in Playoff wins, playoff winning %, & Regular season winning %....And when the Lakers (not if) when the lakers win 52 games this season he will pass Red in Regular season wins...And both men have 9 championships as coaches....so how the fuck can you idiots say Red is better then Phil? LMFAO (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/Themes/dubcc/images/post/cheesy.gif)
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Phil is just a coach and he has had the pleasure of having MJ, Pippen, Shaq, and Kobe. Phil has never played that big of a role in puting a team together he just coaches, Red on the other hand was a GM also and not just did he coach his team to 8 straight titles he put the team together also, it really isnt a comparison. Red was a innovater, and a originator, he set the bar. Phil is a great coach no doubt but Red was so much more than that.
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Red never had any other coaches helping him, was the GM of the team and the scout. He did it all.
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Red never had any other coaches helping him, was the GM of the team and the scout. He did it all.
Imo and most others I dont think it close. Only reason we are discussing this is because of Laker fans, if we were talking with fans of any other team then there would be no argument cause the answer is so obvious.
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you're the one who startetd it by saying "RIP to the greatest coach of all time"...that was obviously a shot at phil..it wasn't an opinion or a fact, it was a shot at phil..
Man i personally can't judge who's better as a coach simply because i was born in 1980, and Red quitted caoching in '69. Another era.
If i have to make a name, i think the one i'd say is Phil Jackson, because i've seen him coaching the Bulls and the Lakers.
But you have to respect other people having a different opinion.
What's the problem?
It's not like he's calling... i don't know.. Scott Skiles the greatest coach of all time!
He's giving props to a guy who's very well respected in the basketball world and there are millions of people who consider him the greatest.
Just say you disagree. And other than that, he's dead and gone now, so it's pointless to argue about it NOW.
We could do it in a week or two. Now it's time for the people who loved and respected him to show him love.
Respect that.
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Nothing but respect for a man who's made the history of this game. He was an "enemy" of the Lakers and Phil Jackson, but it doesn't matter today. It's just time to celebrate him and his life. R.I.P.
my thoughts exactly
how did i know this thread was going to get ruined by NIK.. you're over obsessed dude
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Phil is just a coach and he has had the pleasure of having MJ, Pippen, Shaq, and Kobe. Phil has never played that big of a role in puting a team together he just coaches, Red on the other hand was a GM also and not just did he coach his team to 8 straight titles he put the team together also, it really isnt a comparison. Red was a innovater, and a originator, he set the bar. Phil is a great coach no doubt but Red was so much more than that.
LOL! We're talking in terms of coaching here, not whether or not he was also a GM. That means nothing when it comes to coaching... Phil Jackson has mastered the art of coaching, he gets his players to play basketball the way it was meant to be played...Auerbach won all those titles when there was very little competition in the NBA, when there was only 2 or 3 forces in the league...He has never done for his players what Phil Jackson has, and I doubt Michael and Pippen or Kobe and Shaq woulda' had the success they did without Phil Jackson...PeACe
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how did i know this thread was going to get ruined by NIK.. you're over obsessed dude
How did I ruin this thread, Laker fan? Look at my original post, I was being reasonable the whole way through...LOL@you having my nuts in your mouth now. "Go Lakers", huh? Or was it "Go Heat"... ::)
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lmao at what this thread turned into
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lmao at what this thread turned into
Since you weren't involved, be the judge...Read my original reply. Did that warrant any questioning?
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how did i know this thread was going to get ruined by NIK.. you're over obsessed dude
How did I ruin this thread, Laker fan? Look at my original post, I was being reasonable the whole way through...LOL@you having my nuts in your mouth now. "Go Lakers", huh? Or was it "Go Heat"... ::)
dude check it , this is a post dedicated to a man's life, give your respects and move on wether you agree that he was the GOAT or not, make another thread if you disagree with that.
and jsut to piss you off i'm saying i'm a SUNS fan now...lol
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Unless he was some murderer or rapist, after a person's death is not really the best time to say what kind of person he was since it is a Rest In Peace thread, and then to say this next quote is exactly what you were thinking...
"Damn, that really sucks, i really wanted him to be alive so he could see Phil win his 10th, 11, 12 tittle the next couple of years"
is pretty damn cold.
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^^Well, that's honestly what I felt, sorry if you got offended. And how would it be me ruining it anyways, when I just quoted ING and said "My thoughts exactly" followed by "Nonetheless, RIP to a great coach", which I believed was me 'paying respect'...Either way, take a look at who turned this into a Auerbach vs. Phil thread...It definitely wasn't me...PeACe
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^^Well, that's honestly what I felt, sorry if you got offended. And how would it be me ruining it anyways, when I just quoted ING and said "My thoughts exactly" followed by "Nonetheless, RIP to a great coach", which I believed was me 'paying respect'...Either way, take a look at who turned this into a Auerbach vs. Phil thread...It definitely wasn't me...PeACe
I guess people feel that ING is an idiot already and they expect that from him, and that you should've reacted in a more classy way.
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^^Well, that's honestly what I felt, sorry if you got offended. And how would it be me ruining it anyways, when I just quoted ING and said "My thoughts exactly" followed by "Nonetheless, RIP to a great coach", which I believed was me 'paying respect'...Either way, take a look at who turned this into a Auerbach vs. Phil thread...It definitely wasn't me...PeACe
I guess people feel that ING is an idiot already and they expect that from him, and that you should've reacted in a more classy way.
Couldnt of said it any better
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Phil is just a coach and he has had the pleasure of having MJ, Pippen, Shaq, and Kobe. Phil has never played that big of a role in puting a team together he just coaches, Red on the other hand was a GM also and not just did he coach his team to 8 straight titles he put the team together also, it really isnt a comparison. Red was a innovater, and a originator, he set the bar. Phil is a great coach no doubt but Red was so much more than that.
LOL! We're talking in terms of coaching here, not whether or not he was also a GM. That means nothing when it comes to coaching... Phil Jackson has mastered the art of coaching, he gets his players to play basketball the way it was meant to be played...Auerbach won all those titles when there was very little competition in the NBA, when there was only 2 or 3 forces in the league...He has never done for his players what Phil Jackson has, and I doubt Michael and Pippen or Kobe and Shaq woulda' had the success they did without Phil Jackson...PeACe
Expansion diluted the talent the league has. And never doing what Phil has done is a fucking joke. Call me Phil has won 8 titles in a row.
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^^Well, that's honestly what I felt, sorry if you got offended. And how would it be me ruining it anyways, when I just quoted ING and said "My thoughts exactly" followed by "Nonetheless, RIP to a great coach", which I believed was me 'paying respect'...Either way, take a look at who turned this into a Auerbach vs. Phil thread...It definitely wasn't me...PeACe
I guess people feel that ING is an idiot already and they expect that from him, and that you should've reacted in a more classy way.
Couldnt of said it any better
lol @ this wigger stil been on my nuts...
And i didn't start this shit...Spice girl, mosav, and citizen y did...all they had to do is say RIP and move on.....but no, they had to turn this shit in to a Red is better then phil thread..
Phil is just a coach and he has had the pleasure of having MJ, Pippen, Shaq, and Kobe. Phil has never played that big of a role in puting a team together he just coaches, Red on the other hand was a GM also and not just did he coach his team to 8 straight titles he put the team together also, it really isnt a comparison. Red was a innovater, and a originator, he set the bar. Phil is a great coach no doubt but Red was so much more than that.
LOL! We're talking in terms of coaching here, not whether or not he was also a GM. That means nothing when it comes to coaching... Phil Jackson has mastered the art of coaching, he gets his players to play basketball the way it was meant to be played...Auerbach won all those titles when there was very little competition in the NBA, when there was only 2 or 3 forces in the league...He has never done for his players what Phil Jackson has, and I doubt Michael and Pippen or Kobe and Shaq woulda' had the success they did without Phil Jackson...PeACe
Expansion diluted the talent the league has. And never doing what Phil has done is a fucking joke. Call me Phil has won 8 titles in a row.
call me when red is the all-time leader in winning % in the playoffs, regular season and playoff wins..oh wait..he can't do that couse he's dead :-*
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that's what ya get for talkin shit about Phil... straight in the ground
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Phil is just a coach and he has had the pleasure of having MJ, Pippen, Shaq, and Kobe. Phil has never played that big of a role in puting a team together he just coaches, Red on the other hand was a GM also and not just did he coach his team to 8 straight titles he put the team together also, it really isnt a comparison. Red was a innovater, and a originator, he set the bar. Phil is a great coach no doubt but Red was so much more than that.
And Red had the plessure of coaching 11 hall of famers & at one point having a starting line up of hall of famers..Red would get shitted on these days, he wouldn't be able to draft or sign any fuckin player he wanted like back in the days.
If phil had coached 11 hall of famers he would have 15 championships by now....and it doesn't matter if red won 8 straight championships b/c at the end of the day he still has 9 just like phil jackson.
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R.I.P.
But it's Phil>Auerbach
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fuck, wrong thread
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Phil is just a coach and he has had the pleasure of having MJ, Pippen, Shaq, and Kobe. Phil has never played that big of a role in puting a team together he just coaches, Red on the other hand was a GM also and not just did he coach his team to 8 straight titles he put the team together also, it really isnt a comparison. Red was a innovater, and a originator, he set the bar. Phil is a great coach no doubt but Red was so much more than that.
LOL! We're talking in terms of coaching here, not whether or not he was also a GM. That means nothing when it comes to coaching... Phil Jackson has mastered the art of coaching, he gets his players to play basketball the way it was meant to be played...Auerbach won all those titles when there was very little competition in the NBA, when there was only 2 or 3 forces in the league...He has never done for his players what Phil Jackson has, and I doubt Michael and Pippen or Kobe and Shaq woulda' had the success they did without Phil Jackson...PeACe
Expansion diluted the talent the league has. And never doing what Phil has done is a fucking joke. Call me Phil has won 8 titles in a row.
with all due respects to phil, IMO he would have won 8 in a row if jordan didn't retire the first time around and if kobe and shaq could've co existed who knows what they could've done
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Phil is just a coach and he has had the pleasure of having MJ, Pippen, Shaq, and Kobe. Phil has never played that big of a role in puting a team together he just coaches, Red on the other hand was a GM also and not just did he coach his team to 8 straight titles he put the team together also, it really isnt a comparison. Red was a innovater, and a originator, he set the bar. Phil is a great coach no doubt but Red was so much more than that.
LOL! We're talking in terms of coaching here, not whether or not he was also a GM. That means nothing when it comes to coaching... Phil Jackson has mastered the art of coaching, he gets his players to play basketball the way it was meant to be played...Auerbach won all those titles when there was very little competition in the NBA, when there was only 2 or 3 forces in the league...He has never done for his players what Phil Jackson has, and I doubt Michael and Pippen or Kobe and Shaq woulda' had the success they did without Phil Jackson...PeACe
Expansion diluted the talent the league has. And never doing what Phil has done is a fucking joke. Call me Phil has won 8 titles in a row.
with all due respects to phil, IMO he would have won 8 in a row if jordan didn't retire the first time around and if kobe and shaq could've co existed who knows what they could've done
And I could have won yesterdays lottery if I picked the right numbers.
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well yeah , your bad huh
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well yeah , your bad huh
yeah pretty much =/
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R.I.P.
But it's Phil>Auerbach
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Nothing but respect for a man who's made the history of this game. He was an "enemy" of the Lakers and Phil Jackson, but it doesn't matter today. It's just time to celebrate him and his life. R.I.P.
real talk from a mature Laker fan
Stil on my nuts, Wigger? :-*
And lol @ spice girl acting like a little bitch...you're the one who startetd it by saying "RIP to the greatest coach of all time"...that was obviously a shot at phil..it wasn't an opinion or a fact, it was a shot at phil..
And then dumb & dumber come in to this thread co-signing you "real talk. real spit, Red >>phil" ::) ::)....you guys turned this in to a Phil vs Red thread.
And Phil is the All-Time leader in Playoff wins, playoff winning %, & Regular season winning %....And when the Lakers (not if) when the lakers win 52 games this season he will pass Red in Regular season wins...And both men have 9 championships as coaches....so how the fuck can you idiots say Red is better then Phil? LMFAO (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/Themes/dubcc/images/post/cheesy.gif)
I did to get the rise i got...They are both great coaches, we know this. Red one 8 in a row tho. Can that really be topped. And PERSONALTIES Aside because none of us know either of these 2 individuals as people...They both won 9 titles and both had great players so its really a toss-up..