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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: infinite59 on November 27, 2001, 07:14:49 AM
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Yo, Dre has as good an ear for talent as anyone in the industry. Maybe he was just kissing Jigga's ass cause Jigga wrote "Still Dre." But most likely he really does like Jay-Z's music. I'm not looking for arguments. I'm just looking for someone to explain in detail what there is to like about Jay-Z. Because to me, he's too materialistic, he's a monotone, and he even admits he raps for the radio. I got the upmost respect for Russel Simmons and Def Jam Records. They are the best rap label ever, as far as selling records and marketing artists. I think he was just an average rapper, and that Def-Jam made him a star. I've tried to listen to his music, listened to his albums the whole way through, and I can't feel it. Somebody explain it to me, because I'm not getting it. peace
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My explanation is it's futile to explain to someone who has obviously listened to a lot of Jay-Z and doesn't feel him
I would say - you don't like him, others do - move on - no big deal
Safe
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I dunno .. i don't think hes so great .. i got the blueprint .. thats all i have from him apart from him appearing on other peoples stuff .. hes alright but nothin spectacular .. i thought it was weird that Dre picked him instead of say .. Snoop for one of the greatest MC's .. ???
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I Think Dre Picked Jay-Z Over Snoop As Best MC Becuase Jay Is The Better Of The Two. In Mcing Anyway.
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Nah .. well maybe i can't judge coz i don't have more of his stuff ... but from what i've seen Snoop is ten times better than Jay Z ...
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Dre choosing Jigga, & many of the other MC's he picked over Snoop & others jus' shows to me that Dre is unbiased and open minded when it comes to his tastes. I have no problem with him choosing Jigga, I would rather of seen him choose Snoop & Pac but then this is his oppinion, as i've said b4.
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this is the funniest post ive ever seen
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I don't get the jay-z thing myself... i cant compare it to anything or explain a reason i don't like him.
nothing on/in the blueprint moved me in any way (apart from wanting to skip forwards to see if then next song's any better).
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Yo, Dre has as good an ear for talent as anyone in the industry. Maybe he was just kissing Jigga's ass cause Jigga wrote "Still Dre." But most likely he really does like Jay-Z's music. I'm not looking for arguments. I'm just looking for someone to explain in detail what there is to like about Jay-Z. Because to me, he's too materialistic, he's a monotone, and he even admits he raps for the radio. I got the upmost respect for Russel Simmons and Def Jam Records. They are the best rap label ever, as far as selling records and marketing artists. I think he was just an average rapper, and that Def-Jam made him a star. I've tried to listen to his music, listened to his albums the whole way through, and I can't feel it. Somebody explain it to me, because I'm not getting it. peace
even though i hate gay-z, i like his first two albums which is very solid if not near classic......but ever since that, vol.2 came out, shit started to sound like "poppy" or whatever and it just got worse and worse on vol.3 and dynasty and when blueprint came out it was "a little" better than his last three but this album is nowhere near RD not alone vol.1 how people are saying it is....nonsense
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Besides being one of the most technically sound rappers ever (i.e. his flow), Jay-Z is almost effortless in his use of punchlines, metaphors and double-meanings. It's something most good MCs have to work hard to do but he's just a natural at it. Almost every verse has multiple layers to it, sometimes taking repeated listens to get the whole thing. If you've ever tried to write a rhyme you know how hard it is to do that. I still hear new things that I never noticed before every time I listen to one of his albums. The only other rapper who even compares to Jay in terms of talent is B.I.G. (who I consider the G.O.A.T.).
Plus, Jay has the image to go with the top-gun status. He knows he's the best and he flaunts it, but still no one can put him in his place. He's also multi-dimensional; anyone who says that he's just another commercial rapper talkin' about ice, hoes and cars obviously hasn't listened to his deeper shit like "You Must Love Me" or "D-Evils." Those are just a couple of examples, he has lots more introspective songs with deep meanings if you'll just listen. And that's just his rap skills; the real reason he's on top is his business-savvy. His career is almost flawless and he is what most rappers/artists wish they could be.
I have friends who have the same problem understanding why he is considered #1 and most of them are people who prefer beats to lyrics. I personally listen to rap for both beats and rhymes. If you can't figure out why he's great by listening to his lps, I guess you listen for different reasons than I do.
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props^^
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His career is almost flawless
let's see
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vol. 2....
vol. 3...
dynasty....
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I don't get the jay-z thing myself... i cant compare it to anything or explain a reason i don't like him.
nothing on/in the blueprint moved me in any way (apart from wanting to skip forwards to see if then next song's any better).
LOL same here
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A lil explanation to your question:
Why do you not feel Jay-Z? Well most likely becos he is an average rapper, with and average flow and average lyrics. Listen to his lyrics....they are pretty shit....they similar to damn Fred Dursts lyrics and his shit is wack.....the only decent song I have heard Jay Z come strong in is "Takeover". He says he is the king but he ain't and I h8 when rappers claim they are the best when they aren't. I mean Canibus, LL Cool J, Pac, Biggie, Cube, Eminem, Snoop, Xzibit, Wu-Tang, Mobb Deep, Nas etc. (2 being deceased..RIP) are to name a few who can rip the mic far better than Jay Z. I would be surprised if "That Nigga Jigga" could make it into the top 10 MC's past & present. Maybe Jay Z's first album was the only real decent shit he has produced...O mean every album that he brings out seems to get wacker yet sells more copies.. ???..Jay Z is nothin but an average rapper and he never will be anything but average. He talk about he the best and that Roc-A-Fella rules and shit but I didn't here him talk like that in the days of the Pac & Biggie era becos he wasn't wll known and all of a sudden a bit of popularity goes straight to his head and he the no.1 rapper at the moment. There are far too many above average (above Jigga) MC's gettin slept on but so sum it all up:
JIGGA IS AN AVERAGE RAPPER!
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A lil explanation to your question:
Why do you not feel Jay-Z? Well most likely becos he is an average rapper, with and average flow and average lyrics. Listen to his lyrics....they are pretty shit....they similar to damn Fred Dursts lyrics and his shit is wack.....the only decent song I have heard Jay Z come strong in is "Takeover". He says he is the king but he ain't and I h8 when rappers claim they are the best when they aren't. I mean Canibus, LL Cool J, Pac, Biggie, Cube, Eminem, Snoop, Xzibit, Wu-Tang, Mobb Deep, Nas etc. (2 being deceased..RIP) are to name a few who can rip the mic far better than Jay Z. I would be surprised if "That Nigga Jigga" could make it into the top 10 MC's past & present. Maybe Jay Z's first album was the only real decent shit he has produced...O mean every album that he brings out seems to get wacker yet sells more copies.. ???..Jay Z is nothin but an average rapper and he never will be anything but average. He talk about he the best and that Roc-A-Fella rules and shit but I didn't here him talk like that in the days of the Pac & Biggie era becos he wasn't wll known and all of a sudden a bit of popularity goes straight to his head and he the no.1 rapper at the moment. There are far too many above average (above Jigga) MC's gettin slept on but so sum it all up:
JIGGA IS AN AVERAGE RAPPER!
very on point...can't wait till nas whoop his ass when stillmatic come out
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jiggaaaa 8) is da man
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yeah yeah...props to gabe..jay-z is an average rapper? yet 2pac is the greates rapper to ever grace the mic huh..well newsflash yo..any1 cud get on the mic (and i know ill get madd hated for this but who cares..) and start yellin out thug life n shit..man fucj that..jigga is soooooo more advanced nowthan pac ever was..i mean..
I sell ice in the winter/ I sell fire in hell/
I am a hustler baby, I'll sell water to a well
cmon yo..he is the man..he has 5 albums behind him and millions mo than any rapper
its just becuase its jay-z, tha nigga you love to hate..
its all a trend
real heads know the dilly..altho some heads truly dont like him..but i fell alot of y'all follow people who hate on jigga
peace
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I don't understand the whole Jigga thing either.
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yeah yeah...props to gabe..jay-z is an average rapper? yet 2pac is the greates rapper to ever grace the mic huh..well newsflash yo..any1 cud get on the mic (and i know ill get madd hated for this but who cares..) and start yellin out thug life n shit..man fucj that..jigga is soooooo more advanced nowthan pac ever was..i mean..
I sell ice in the winter/ I sell fire in hell/
I am a hustler baby, I'll sell water to a well
cmon yo..he is the man..he has 5 albums behind him and millions mo than any rapper
its just becuase its jay-z, tha nigga you love to hate..
its all a trend
real heads know the dilly..altho some heads truly dont like him..but i fell alot of y'all follow people who hate on jigga
peace
wow thanks for showing how shallow you are...
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well newsflash yo..any1 cud get on the mic (and i know ill get madd hated for this but who cares..) and start yellin out thug life n shit..man fucj that..jigga is soooooo more advanced nowthan pac ever was..i mean..
I sell ice in the winter/ I sell fire in hell/
I am a hustler baby, I'll sell water to a well
hahaha heeeeell yeeeah! that was tight. But he said "I'll sale water to a Whale" i believe
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yeah that line was hot but what jay-z song can add up to the significance of:
Dear Momma?......none
Brenda's got a baby?....none
white man's world?.....none
keep ya head up?.....none
and so forth and so forth....the answer is none!
jay-z's significance is paper thin compared to Pac's and that's a fact not an opinion!
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I swear it seems like some of y'all haven't heard anything he did before '99. I'm not even gonna try to convince you anymore, if you don't want to listen for yourself or if you do listen and you still can't figure it out I feel sorry for you. This is just pathetic.
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Besides being one of the most technically sound rappers ever (i.e. his flow), Jay-Z is almost effortless in his use of punchlines, metaphors and double-meanings. It's something most good MCs have to work hard to do but he's just a natural at it. Almost every verse has multiple layers to it, sometimes taking repeated listens to get the whole thing. If you've ever tried to write a rhyme you know how hard it is to do that. I still hear new things that I never noticed before every time I listen to one of his albums. The only other rapper who even compares to Jay in terms of talent is B.I.G. (who I consider the G.O.A.T.).
Plus, Jay has the image to go with the top-gun status. He knows he's the best and he flaunts it, but still no one can put him in his place. He's also multi-dimensional; anyone who says that he's just another commercial rapper talkin' about ice, hoes and cars obviously hasn't listened to his deeper shit like "You Must Love Me" or "D-Evils." Those are just a couple of examples, he has lots more introspective songs with deep meanings if you'll just listen. And that's just his rap skills; the real reason he's on top is his business-savvy. His career is almost flawless and he is what most rappers/artists wish they could be.
I have friends who have the same problem understanding why he is considered #1 and most of them are people who prefer beats to lyrics. I personally listen to rap for both beats and rhymes. If you can't figure out why he's great by listening to his lps, I guess you listen for different reasons than I do.
shit....i couldnt put it better myself, man.....huge propz fo this shit....exactly how i feel....tha only thing i have to dissagree iz dat my all time fav iz pac.....but we ain disscussin that......so yea......exellent post man.....
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I don't care, i've never understood why ppl rate him so highly, i've listened to all his shit and it doesn't nothing to me. >:(
I don't care what anyone says NAS will SHIT on Jay-Z from a great great height. ;)
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yeah that line was hot but what jay-z song can add up to the significance of:
Dear Momma?......none
Brenda's got a baby?....none
white man's world?.....none
keep ya head up?.....none
and so forth and so forth....the answer is none!
jay-z's significance is paper thin compared to Pac's and that's a fact not an opinion!
Amen! Amen! Amen! Amen! Amen!
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yeah yeah...props to gabe..jay-z is an average rapper? yet 2pac is the greates rapper to ever grace the mic huh..well newsflash yo..any1 cud get on the mic (and i know ill get madd hated for this but who cares..) and start yellin out thug life n shit..man fucj that..jigga is soooooo more advanced nowthan pac ever was..i mean..
I sell ice in the winter/ I sell fire in hell/
I am a hustler baby, I'll sell water to a well
cmon yo..he is the man..he has 5 albums behind him and millions mo than any rapper
its just becuase its jay-z, tha nigga you love to hate..
its all a trend
real heads know the dilly..altho some heads truly dont like him..but i fell alot of y'all follow people who hate on jigga
peace
Yo nobody even mention Pac's name in this discussion so why bring it up man?
Also you go about Pac steepin up 2 the mic and yellin Thug shit and that....correct me if I'm wrong but does "Jigga" not call himself a thug? Do you think he got that thug shit from Pac?
Also I don't hate Jigga becos other ppl do...I don't like him becos I just don't feel his music at all...he has no lyrics that impress me...sum hot beats but other than that nuttin special.
And yeah he has 5 albums behind him but how many could even be considered near classics or at least 3.5/5 on the mic...maybe 2 out of the 5
Jigga is average. Face it ppl. You show me sum lyrics that Jay Z blaze on the mic and I'll reconsider my evaluation but at least wen Pac screamed Thug Life he lived it....where as Jay Z claim he the king and shit but you don't mention that do ya...about he claimin he the best...wot the fuck is he smokin...Average ain't best....he better revalue himself befo he start shit and we'll see how good Jigga is when Nas fucks him bad with his response to Takeover.
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wow thanks for showing how shallow you are...
Why?..because i express my opinion..shallowness doesnt even enter the equation..i dont see why u should say that
just because i dissed the greatest rapper ever? man BIG blazed his shit 4x over if that..i used to be into pac soooo much..i am a bit still but times have changed..
i just cant understand why some of y'all are still in a pac timewarp..yes it sad that he died..and he didnt have a chance to exceed his legacy..but not me or you can change that..personally i think his image was manufactured.
yes i do believe he lived the thug life to an extent..
anyway jake i dont see why you have any right to call me shallow..geez yo,
one
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actually it was right the first time "ill sell water to a well" not whale...although that shit had me laughin, peace.
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jayz has 6 albums yall...unless you aren't calling the dynasty a solo...i consider it a solo but just with lots of featurings like every other cd today...if yall only say that jigga has 5 lps than i guess puffy don't have any...
oh, pac and jigga aren't even considered on the same level...jigga is tight, and totally dominating the rap game today but pac was brilliant, and probably the only rapper that had everyone hanging on to his next word...
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jayz has 6 albums yall...unless you aren't calling the dynasty a solo...i consider it a solo but just with lots of featurings like every other cd today...if yall only say that jigga has 5 lps than i guess puffy don't have any...
oh, pac and jigga aren't even considered on the same level...jigga is tight, and totally dominating the rap game today but pac was brilliant, and probably the only rapper that had everyone hanging on to his next word...
true dat!!! jay-z- is only an average rapper...def jam made him into a BIG STAR
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Sure Def Jam helped make JAy Z a star,but they didn't make him a star on their own. The man has talent, he makes the fukking songs, not Lyor Cohen or Russell Simmons! They market it, but jay z makes the damn songs! Look at warren G; hi is dope as hell still, yet his best selling albums came on Def Jam or RAL(a def jam sublabel). Does thismean he is shit now cuz he ain't with them and doesn't sell as much? Does this mean LL Cool J sucks actually cuz he blew up on Def Jam?
If you actually listen to Jays shit, he is quite dope; to say he doesn't make songs like Pac, who gives a fuck, they are completely different. I love Pac, but he don't have witty lines or use metaphors like Jay, and he isn't as effortless on the mic. Ya'll say Jay Z is monotone, then listen to someone who screams like Busta Rhymes or something! If you don't get why Jay Z is dope, don't listen and be done with it alright!
Do you guys know there are a million hiphop heads who don't understand how Snoop is dope, or how we think Dre is better than Premier? Guess what guys, all this is a matter of opinion. If you don't like something, there ain't nothing wrong with you........
Oh, infinite59, who are your favourite rappers? Cuz unless you into some underground shit, or mainly Gangstarr or Common or Pete Rock, then i would bet your favourite rappers rap for the radio too......
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I cant get this gay z thing either, i mean this guyz got no flow, hes not insync wid da beats, his lyrics many times suck and dont rhyme ...
Y is he on the top?? he sucks
-{bLaDe}
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Why?..because i express my opinion..shallowness doesnt even enter the equation..i dont see why u should say that
just because i dissed the greatest rapper ever? man BIG blazed his shit 4x over if that..i used to be into pac soooo much..i am a bit still but times have changed..
i just cant understand why some of y'all are still in a pac timewarp..yes it sad that he died..and he didnt have a chance to exceed his legacy..but not me or you can change that..personally i think his image was manufactured.
yes i do believe he lived the thug life to an extent..
anyway jake i dont see why you have any right to call me shallow..geez yo,
one
whatever....if you want to listen to substancless music be my guest
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Big jake, you can be a real asshole sometime, for real lol. I respect that you don't like jay z, but to say it is senseless music is senseless. And yo, you don't always gotta disrespect other peeps opinions just because you don't agree, cuz even your opinion is ridiculous sometimes! PEACE
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Big jake, you can be a real asshole sometime, for real lol. I respect that you don't like jay z, but to say it is senseless music is senseless. And yo, you don't always gotta disrespect other peeps opinions just because you don't agree, cuz even your opinion is ridiculous sometimes! PEACE
correction homie ....substanceless not senceless
not to be an "ass hole" or anything (just out of curiousity) what opinion of mine is ridiculous?
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correction homie ....substanceless not senceless
lmao........he did say substanceless.........
I'll tell u tha most ridiculous shit eva...........Jay Z being no.2 on BET's top 50's list............pleeeez.
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You are right, you said senseless, my bad.....and i am not trying to win over your opinion Bigjake, all i am saying is if you say other people are dumb for their opinions, i am sure people will think you are kinda dumb too.....
You can pretty opinionated, calling people shallow for expressing an opinion, and shit like that. I'm just saying, learn to respect others opinions even if you don't agree with them, or at least post a somewhat legible argument as to why they are wrong. PEACE
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Jay dropped the best album of 2001. Pure and simple. That's just my opinion. Everyone's got one. Mine is that Jigga is pure dopeness. I wouldn't say he was better than Biggie, but he is getting there. The Blueprint was a masterpiece IMO. It was a more traditional Hip-Hop album. The samples were not just the original adding a drum beat. Jay also went the entire album solo minus one track. Not one rapper in the mainstream right now has that much balls. Jay put out an album that was really needed right now. Jay-Z has made it right up there with the elites. Not too many MC's can say they made two classic albums. Not even Biggie can say that. Pac can, and so can ICe Cube, and Common. Dre can too, but I don't kmow if to count him as an Mc sice a lot of his shit is ghostwritten. Jigga can make that claim now. The sheer dopeness of the Blueprint cannot be denied. How I rate Jigga's albums:
Reasonable Doubt: 5/5
Vol. 1: 4.0/4
Vol. 2: 3.5/5
Vol. 3: 4.0/5
The Dynasty: 4.5/5
The Blueprint: 5/5
Like I said, it's my opinion. Just like I can't change yours, you cannot change mine. Mine is thta Jigga is the beast out there right now of the MC's that are still with us. Eminem too.
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Last Dragon, your a smart dude for recognizing that Common has dropped 2 classic albums, i didn't think anyone else on here would feel the same way.
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Last Dragon, your a smart dude for recognizing that Common has dropped 2 classic albums, i didn't think anyone else on here would feel the same way.
Resurrection and One Day It'll All Make Sense are classics IMO. I'm not sure about Like Water For Chocolate. It seems that way to me, but the jury is still not 100% convinced. I USed To Lover H.E.R. is one of THE best Hip-Hop songs ever. A top ten of mine.
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-Nothing
-source is on his dick
-would get his ass kicked if he came to cali
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Good logic buddy, he sucks cuz he would get his ass kicked if he came to Cali......i guess Biggie sucks cuz he got shot out there too, right? You are one smart dude.
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and Dre sucks cause he makes dope beats..
and Snoop sucks cause he smokes weed..
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-Nothing
-source is on his dick
-would get his ass kicked if he came to cali
-Everything
-TO an extent, because they know he's dope
-no he wudnt..at all...not even a chance..
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yo like i said it before, i GIVE props to jay-z on his first 2 albums(especially RD) but after vol.1 he LOST my respect and fuck your opinion when you say blueprint is 5/5 thats straight bullshit right there(STRAIGHT DICKRIDA COMMENT), and you had the nerve to give dynasty 4.5 and vol.3 4?????? oh my god you must ONLY watch TRL on MTV for real oh and also jay-z NEVER had dropped a classic album RD was potential but it AIN'T CLASSIC 4.75/5 yo i CAN'T respect your OPINION when you take it far beyond limit....when you gave gay-z those high ratings, thats like saying snoop's first album on ho limit or dre's aftermath first album is CLASSIC.....
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You have no right to say I'm making a dickrider comment. You make yourself out to be a reall asshole by taking shots at someone for having an opinion. TO me, my opinon's right. TRL? What the fuck is your problem? I listen to Hip-Hop and I form my opinions from what I hear. Not some popular opinion. I think The Blueprint is a classic. Live with my opinion and stop whining. I kind of question your Hip-Hop knowlegde when you make general comments like I watch nothing but pop shit. My opinion isn't far beyond limit. TO you it might be, but your just some foolish guy I don't know. Heads, to this day, say his first is a clasic. You may not believe it is, but I do. I say to respect an opinion, but I didn't say anything about respecting an opinion when the dude makes a Jack-Ass comment. That's what you did. I stand by my ratings. Fuck you if you can't respect them. When you call Jay-Z Gay-Z, I can senes a little bit of bias. But, what's the use. I have an opinion and I'm sticking by it. If you disagree, cool. But don't act like a fool by insulting me for MY opinion. I'm done.
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LOL
people are comparin jay-z to pac? OMG, LOLOL
and anyways for you guys who are dicks or assholes or whatever you wanna call a idiot in this post
im alet ras kass speak for me
"If i wanted to hear from the asshole i would have farted"
so get off jayz's nuts, hes good but not a god.
peace ;D
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Actually, it started when someone said jay Z ain't shit to Pac, otherwise Pac wouldn't have even come up in this thread; those two are so different, and they shine in different areas.
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Jay-Z is pretty good.. I think his work blends together sometimes because of his monotone voice but he deserve props for some dope lines now and again.. haven't really felt his last 6 albums, except for a few beats here and there..
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You have no right to say I'm making a dickrider comment. You make yourself out to be a reall asshole by taking shots at someone for having an opinion. TO me, my opinon's right. TRL? What the fuck is your problem? I listen to Hip-Hop and I form my opinions from what I hear. Not some popular opinion. I think The Blueprint is a classic. Live with my opinion and stop whining. I kind of question your Hip-Hop knowlegde when you make general comments like I watch nothing but pop shit. My opinion isn't far beyond limit. TO you it might be, but your just some foolish guy I don't know. Heads, to this day, say his first is a clasic. You may not believe it is, but I do. I say to respect an opinion, but I didn't say anything about respecting an opinion when the dude makes a Jack-Ass comment. That's what you did. I stand by my ratings. Fuck you if you can't respect them. When you call Jay-Z Gay-Z, I can senes a little bit of bias. But, what's the use. I have an opinion and I'm sticking by it. If you disagree, cool. But don't act like a fool by insulting me for MY opinion. I'm done.
you calling me out motherfucker??? you saying i'm NOT knowledged in my hip-hop??? dude i don't know what the fuck you've been smoking but peeps here KNOW i'm a very knowledgeable hip-hop head so don't fucking question that fool...and YES, you are the biggest jay-z dickriding eva look at how you state shit about Gay-z, its pretty damn obivious, you praise him like he's god, i know you were a dickridah from the start when you RATED his albums so damn high like that and i guarntee you that youre the only ONE who thinks it that way for example, i'm a hugh nas, snoop fan but when i rate all their albums i don't give 4's, 4.5's even 5's cuz i know some of their album's are flops but look at you, you give jay-z's worse or should i say hip-hop's worse album 4's and 4.5's, you proved yourself to almost everyone on the board that youre a groupie so shut your fucking mouth bitch
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a yo MINORITY chill man....you gon say im some kinda groupi too??!!.....cauze i waz sayin fo quite long DAT VOL3 cant be less than 4.5/5.....dynasty iz a 4.25\5....min 4\5....lol
"some o tha worst albumz ever"....???!!!!.....r u kiddin?...
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Once again, THIS IS A WESTCOAST BOARD!!!!
The only reason Jay Z is "so great" (which his bitch ass aint!!!) is because 2Pac died. If 2Pac hadnt died, the West would still be on top. None of these Eastcoast JIGGY fags would be making noise if Pac was still here to take em out.
The East has never commanded as much attention as the West. When Pac spoke, people LISTENED!!!!!!
Almost can't believe so many of you are on so much Eastcoast dick. uuuugggggg!!!!!!!
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Once again, THIS IS A WESTCOAST BOARD!!!!
The only reason Jay Z is "so great" (which his bitch ass aint!!!) is because 2Pac died. If 2Pac hadnt died, the West would still be on top. None of these Eastcoast JIGGY fags would be making noise if Pac was still here to take em out.
The East has never commanded as much attention as the West. When Pac spoke, people LISTENED!!!!!!
Almost can't believe so many of you are on Eastcoast dick. uuuugggggg!!!!!!!
GREAT POST!
East Coast might be important for many of u, but please not HERE!
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Calling you out on a message Board? Do you even have a life? You take shots at someone over the internet and get personal over the internet. Shows you're intelligence. I like the music, that doesn't make me a dickrider. But you taking internet beeef seriously makes you look stupid. How did I prove myself to be a groupie? I know cats who share my opinion. Not just fans, but real Hip-Hop heads. You seem a bit too immature to carry a real conversation. Keep on going like a whining little girl if you want to. You're kind of funny. Once again, I stand by my ratings. Reply to this with another one of your intelligent ::) comments. I won't even give you the satisfaction of replying to it until you can put together a real reply without talking shit like you're still in middle school.
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Calling you out on a message Board? Do you even have a life? You take shots at someone over the internet and get personal over the internet. Shows you're intelligence. I like the music, that doesn't make me a dickrider. But you taking internet beeef seriously makes you look stupid. How did I prove myself to be a groupie? I know cats who share my opinion. Not just fans, but real Hip-Hop heads. You seem a bit too immature to carry a real conversation. Keep on going like a whining little girl if you want to. You're kind of funny. Once again, I stand by my ratings. Reply to this with another one of your intelligent ::) comments. I won't even give you the satisfaction of replying to it until you can put together a real reply without talking shit like you're still in middle school.
haha stop being a hypocrite man YOURE the one whose changing the subject taking it all personally.......the only talking i'm doing is calling you a gay-z dickridah but look at you....you talking about MY life now???? talking about a whole different subject when you should be convincing me why gay-z's 3 worse albums are 4 or 4.5 or higher...really you HAVEN'T PROVEN A POINT TO ANYONE on the board....the reason for that is that youre just a bitch who goes by what a popular reviewer says about one album to another...a fucking groupie like a teeny bopper dude just shut your mouth man for real cuz all your saying right now is nonsense, beyond opinion, you over exaggerate too much on your god gay-z
p.s. the only reason why i'm replying to you is cuz I KNOW i'm making you mad as fuck...and shit is TOO DAMN FUNNY ;D
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a yo MINORITY chill man....you gon say im some kinda groupi too??!!.....cauze i waz sayin fo quite long DAT VOL3 cant be less than 4.5/5.....dynasty iz a 4.25\5....min 4\5....lol
"some o tha worst albumz ever"....???!!!!.....r u kiddin?...
wtf??? yo don't EVEN start with me man and you are a GROUPIE if you think all of jay-z's albums are 4 or greater and well i guess i war over exaggerating but "being the worse album" but his albums suck for real man (latest ones)
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To Axle F: JAy Z isn't on top cuz Pac dies, Jay is on top cuz he is talented, gets great beats, writes catchy songs, and gets great promotion. If Pac were here things may be a little different, but do yo realize the East was shining when he was here (Nas, Biggie, Wu-tang)? Maybe you didn't listen to rap around that time, but the east was shining and that is why artists like Cube formed Westside Connection, cuz they were mad that Westcoast shit wasn't gettin play anywhere but on the Westcoast.
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i wouldnt say dat you a groupie cauze you don agree wit me on jiggaz shit......cuaze i got alota dawgz here who dislike jigga but they got knowlege...they don digg or iz too busy wit otherz rappaz shitz to fully notice jigga.....you on tha other hand iz so closed minded dat you don even eccept otherz opinionz......while dissin knowelge....well....ain gon work wit me dawg.....im an established head.....
and as someone who iz dat closed minded as u...you yoself look like a teen boppin groupi who tries to establish a hip hop identity of opinionz.....jus" ta show he got a side.....
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i wouldnt say dat you a groupie cauze you don agree wit me on jiggaz shit......cuaze i got alota dawgz here who dislike jigga but they got knowlege...they don digg or iz too busy wit otherz rappaz shitz to fully notice jigga.....you on tha other hand iz so closed minded dat you don even eccept otherz opinionz......while dissin knowelge....well....ain gon work wit me dawg.....im an established head.....
and as someone who iz dat closed minded as u...you yoself look like a teen boppin groupi who tries to establish a hip hop identity of opinionz.....jus" ta show he got a side.....
yo i know A LOT of motherfuckers hate me in here but everybody who has been down since the dre2001 days KNOW i'm a knowledged hip-hop head so DON'T EVER try to say some bullshit like that to try to diss me fool i mean youre just a fucking rookie YOU AIN'T established when you say jay-z's albums are all over 4's thats NOT an opinion thats a ignorant dickriding comment. anyways, you probably didn't even read anything what i wrote above cuz you basically talking out of your ass cuz they ALL SHIT. i said and i quote "JAY-Z'S first 2 albums was mad TIGHT" so i'm not being biased. also i'm gonna say this once again since your skull is so fucking thick-headed, anyways, i'm a BIG snoop, nas fan and YOU DON'T SEE ME SAYING "oh ALL of snoop and nas's album is MADDDD TIGHT!!! ITS ALL CLASSIC!!!!" you don't hear me do that cuz i'm fair with every rapper even though they could be one of my favorites but you and your little bitch is saying BULLSHIT like all jay-z's album is basically classic??? come on now don't be a dickriding groupie like that homie
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hiz ass aint great. far frum it. we all know more rap cd'z are sold in tha suburbz these dayz. n hez jus takin that to a new level. true, maybe tha muhafucka know how to sell recordz. good fah him. that dont make him sum sorta great rapper. jus means he knowz how tah sell. maybe he should be a used car salesman or sumthin. cus honestly...they prolly tha only onez that spit tha same amount of bullshit az jay-z. his fanz alwayz complainin talkin bout people hatin on him. well, otha rapperz takin shotz at him. n it aint cus he on top, itz cus they reconizin fakeness n that shit aint respected in rap. hell, when snoop was on top....thea wasnt a whole lotta muhafuckaz takin shotz at him. when wu-tang was on toppa thangz....wasnt a whole lotta people fukin wit them eitha. so dont think jay-z in tha same boat....hiz shit iz garbage tah me.
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Once again, THIS IS A WESTCOAST BOARD!!!!
The only reason Jay Z is "so great" (which his bitch ass aint!!!) is because 2Pac died. If 2Pac hadnt died, the West would still be on top. None of these Eastcoast JIGGY fags would be making noise if Pac was still here to take em out.
The East has never commanded as much attention as the West. When Pac spoke, people LISTENED!!!!!!
Almost can't believe so many of you are on so much Eastcoast dick. uuuugggggg!!!!!!!
And people wonder why the East/West beef started. It's cuz of over biased bitches whining when someone has an opinion about an artist from another region.
Teecee said it best when he said:
"Do you guys know there are a million hiphop heads who don't understand how Snoop is dope, or how we think Dre is better than Premier? Guess what guys, all this is a matter of opinion".
Fact is, different people like different music. Don't get a stick up your ass when someone has a different opinion. it won't change anything, and it'll just make you look like a whiney punk.
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yo i know A LOT of motherfuckers hate me in here but everybody who has been down since the dre2001 days KNOW i'm a knowledged hip-hop head so DON'T EVER try to say some bullshit like that to try to diss me fool i mean youre just a fucking rookie YOU AIN'T established when you say jay-z's albums are all over 4's thats NOT an opinion thats a ignorant dickriding comment. anyways, you probably didn't even read anything what i wrote above cuz you basically talking out of your ass cuz they ALL SHIT. i said and i quote "JAY-Z'S first 2 albums was mad TIGHT" so i'm not being biased. also i'm gonna say this once again since your skull is so fucking thick-headed, anyways, i'm a BIG snoop, nas fan and YOU DON'T SEE ME SAYING "oh ALL of snoop and nas's album is MADDDD TIGHT!!! ITS ALL CLASSIC!!!!" you don't hear me do that cuz i'm fair with every rapper even though they could be one of my favorites but you and your little bitch is saying BULLSHIT like all jay-z's album is basically classic??? come on now don't be a dickriding groupie like that homie
funny how ya mention tha dre2001 forum...cauze i waz all over it back in tha dayz........i moved here when all tha peepz there first discovered this board....(and i dont remember much bout u foo").......a lil after my man tanjint....(plz don look at my post numba...i had 4 acountz araised back when this forum waz havin itz probz...and than a coupla later)
anyway.....i waz lovin nases debut "Illmatic" (bump it to this day).....but hiz later shit waz garbage.....so ya cant say im blind dickridin"....if we
talk bout dat....i waz a huge biggie fan and he iz on my top 5 best ever mcz\rappaz...but i recognize hiz "life after"....waz a big dissapointment.......my all time fav iz pac of course.....and i ain comparin jigga to him....cauze pac would rip him or probly any other rappa in tha game if we talkin bout dat.....but as for jiggaz albumz....i stay due to my ratingz......vol3 cant be less than 4.5/5.....it haz tha most piquant and sharp rhymes jigga spett to dat point...now we got tha blueprint....dat iz becomin a classic.......ok dunasty waz a lil lower....but it waznt a real solo....ya know....still cant be less than 4.......i don get peepz who sayin they think Kurupt iz one of tha greatest (what he"z far from) and hate on jigga....jigga ripz him...jigga ripz snoop (whose solo i loved as any otha wc head....but he fell of so far)...jigga ripz x to da z.....(and don get me wrong....i love x.....he iz tha best in tha west nowadayz probly)....ya cant say im dickridin....most of tha peepz i rate jigga over iz my most favorite peepz in tha game....i put them ta show jigz greatness.....i know why my dawgz don get jigga but ta listen and say he"z wack iz straight bullshit imo...........i sugjest you read this again "you yoself look like a teen boppin groupi who tries to establish a hip hop identity of opinionz.....jus" ta show he got a side..... "
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funny how ya mention tha dre2001 forum...cauze i waz all over it back in tha dayz........i moved here when all tha peepz there first discovered this board....(and i dont remember much bout u foo").......a lil after my man tanjint....(plz don look at my post numba...i had 4 acountz araised back when this forum waz havin itz probz...and than a coupla later)
anyway.....i waz lovin nases debut "Illmatic" (bump it to this day).....but hiz later shit waz garbage.....so ya cant say im blind dickridin"....if we
talk bout dat....i waz a huge biggie fan and he iz on my top 5 best ever mcz\rappaz...but i recognize hiz "life after"....waz a big dissapointment.......my all time fav iz pac of course.....and i ain comparin jigga to him....cauze pac would rip him or probly any other rappa in tha game if we talkin bout dat.....but as for jiggaz albumz....i stay due to my ratingz......vol3 cant be less than 4.5/5.....it haz tha most piquant and sharp rhymes jigga spett to dat point...now we got tha blueprint....dat iz becomin a classic.......ok dunasty waz a lil lower....but it waznt a real solo....ya know....still cant be less than 4.......i don get peepz who sayin they think Kurupt iz one of tha greatest (what he"z far from) and hate on jigga....jigga ripz him...jigga ripz snoop (whose solo i loved as any otha wc head....but he fell of so far)...jigga ripz x to da z.....(and don get me wrong....i love x.....he iz tha best in tha west nowadayz probly)....ya cant say im dickridin....most of tha peepz i rate jigga over iz my most favorite peepz in tha game....i put them ta show jigz greatness.....i know why my dawgz don get jigga but ta listen and say he"z wack iz straight bullshit imo...........i sugjest you read this again
go see my last post..... ::) btw and yes, i have been down for a LONG TIME ask big jake, engies, narrator, etc. etc. but who cares??? it seems that if you NEVER seen me at the 2001 forum.....then your just a rookie
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go see my last post..... ::) btw and yes, i have been down for a LONG TIME ask big jake, engies, narrator, etc. etc. but who cares??? it seems that if you NEVER seen me at the 2001 forum.....then your just a rookie
ahhh ok....i didnt see you, so Im a rookie....oh....dat make sence *not*...ok....if you say so.....whateva man....
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this would be just like going on to an east-coast biased board and asking what makes Tupac so great.... personally I think that neither Tupac nor Jay-Z are/were as good as their fanboys would have me believe. Half of Tupac's fans didnt know who he was till after he passed (R.I.P.) and half of Jigga's fans had no idea who he was til after "Hard Knock Life". Jigga is a talented dude, and anyone who disputes that but says Snoop is dope is just silly, because they're basically in the same boat. Here's two cats who came up spitting a lot of fire on the mic, mixed with some more mellow shit on occasion, now 75% of the time both of them just sound like they're falling asleep while they rhyme. I still love Snoop and I will always check his shit out, but he's definitely not better than Jigga by a mile or anything. Basically my point here is that when Jigga spits hot he can go up against pretty much anyone below the top tier of lyrical Mc's (Rakim, G Rap, Ace, Pharoah, Ras, Chino, Nas etc)... meaning he can hold his own easily with the likes of Snoop, Cube, Busta Rhymes, Eminem, whoever. He is sometimes lyrically overrated, people will make a big deal out of some average ass lines... like people always quote "like short sleeves, i bare arms" and that's a cool witty line, but its not some off the meter shit... ras kass spits a couple dozen of those in every song.
Dre had every reason to pick him... if you'll notice, most rappers will generally name someone who's hot like Jigga... mad people are feeling Jigga.. Mad Skillz, Talib Kweli, Canibus all bump Jigga's shit because even though he is commercial he is not some lyrical half-wit (like say, Lil Bow Wow or Nelly.) Jay-Z also has Charisma and ease of flow that most rappers would kill for. The reason his flow seems so easy is because he used to rap at a lightning pace, and now he raps pretty slow... so obviously it's gonna sound butter smooth.
Considering the amount of love Tupac gets on this board I can't see how anyone could question Jay-Z getting some. In my opinion Tupac had one classic record (Me Against..) a couple of dope albums and then some below average shit... and i wont even speak on the post-life stuff, that stuff is just blasphemous. At the same time Jigga had 3 doo-doo albums between Volume 1 and Blueprint, other than a few joints like the Primo laced "So Ghetto" and hmm... I cant remember the name of the joint.. but it's got the reporter chick on it and it basically has him talking about his career and defending his music...
Dre's list had a nice mix of different styles... I cant remember all 5, but I know it had Rakim, Nas, Ras and Jigga... there you have the original lyricist in Rakim, a dope lyricist/storyteller in Nas... a cat who can spit straight knowledge and punchlines in Ras and someone who focuses on the commercial/charismatic side in Jigga.
as for the "significance" of tupac... Tupac had a small but dedicated fan base until he blew up on Death Row. most of his "classics" were not known as such until after he blew up with stuff like "California Love". That's not his fault, because Me Against The World was an incredible piece of work, all I'm saying is that Jigga also made some soulful stuff that people can feel. I find it odd that Jay-Z is considered commercial and Tupac is worshipped as being "real" when pac returned to the thug shit because suge basically told him to do it after he got pac out of jail after tupac said he'd never return to that type of shit again.
my personal conclusion is that as Jigga becomes more popular, the more overrated he gets, just as was the case with Tupac and Biggie. when Tupac passed no one was calling him the greatest, the same was true of Biggie. yet all of a sudden a year or two after their deaths they started to be worshipped as such.
Pac never had everyone hanging on his next word when he was alive, except to see who he was gonna go on a tirade of dissing about next.
Rap records always sold more in the suburbs since NWA. considering white people = 80% of rap music sales. Where do you think Tupac sold most of his records? or No Limit, Cash Money, DMX, whoever. It was to the white kids who want to think they're living that shit, or who are fascinated by the whole thug life facade. I'm not saying that Tupac didn't say some dope shit or make some dope songs, because he did, but to say that Jigga sells to the suburbs while Tupac sold to the streets is foolish. Jigga is bumped in the streets of NY just as Tupac was in Cali.
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ahhh ok....i didnt see you, so Im a rookie....oh....dat make sence *not*...ok....if you say so.....whateva man....
its obivious that your so damn hard-headed to UNDERSTAND the words i'm saying......btw you NEVER was on the dre2001forum so stop lying
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its obivious that your so damn hard-headed to UNDERSTAND the words i'm saying......btw you NEVER was on the dre2001forum so stop lying
whatever man....
p.s aks tanjint....aks jake.....aks maxi....aks Nik..AKS SIKOTIC.....my nick waz n***a.........
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whatever man....
p.s aks tanjint....aks jake.....aks maxi....aks Nik..AKS SIKOTIC.....my nick waz n***a.........
i don't give a fuck.....
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datz yo bi"ness man...
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datz yo bi"ness man...
damn right