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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: R-Tistic on November 11, 2006, 01:50:06 AM
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Damn.....as crazy as it sounds, I can easily pick four beats from "Doctor's advocate" to go against Dre's five beats on "Kingdom Come"....and I'd DEFINITELY pick the ones on Doc's advocate. I am feelin 30 Somethin, Lost ones is coo, Minority Report works for the track but is just a background beat more than anything special....and Trouble is very average. I am trippin on this, but not at all mad. For one, I'm happy that Dre's not givin all his best beats to Jay and hopefully he's savin em for some West Coasters.....and because it may give people a change to say Dre is fallin off, which means he'll have the chance to shock the hell out of them when he drops Detox.
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i agree with every word
peace
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you cant be usin dope beats for jay-zs wack ass songs
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I havent bumped Jay yet but Snoops Dre beats shit on all DA production. DA production is banging, great for your car but its just the melodys that are hot right now nothing creative really.
Dres beats for Snoop are "clean" as fuck, really melodic, sort of grown folks music.
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Dre's seems to be in the process of falling off. Then again, wack ass Jigga could of just shat all over his beats. I gotta hear Kingdom Come first before I can give my opinion.
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Dre's seems to be in the process of falling off.
word, some people got Dre's dick too far stuck up their ass; Not everything Dre puts out is great.
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Dre's seems to be in the process of falling off.
word, some people got Dre's dick too far stuck up their ass; Not everything Dre puts out is great.
I mean....what do you expect when you've been making CLASSIC ALBUMS and SONGS since fuckin' 1988? He's stayed ahead of the game for so long, and done so much, that you can only expect his shit to be the best of the best every time....and on the flip side, some people just say "well hey, everything else he's done has been epic and changed the game....so this new shit I hear from him must be the same way" and they subconsciously like it just because it's him you know? People do tend to dickride anybody good, but that's how it is with everything. If Bill Gates comes up with a dumb idea that's clearly stupid, there will be some people to say "no, that's why he's genius....he can present an idea that may sound stupid as hell, but watch that shit work and watch him make even more money off of it!!!!"
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Did you notice how all these new Dre beats, 8 I think are laid back as hell. Not bangers but laid back joints, except for Trouble thats on some Timbo shit.
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Definitely. That wasn't hate on Dre in any way. Dude has made some of the greatest and most revolutionary songs in hip hop history. Like you said, he's been making beats for 20 somethin' years. Nobody can hold the crown forever.
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trouble is one of the ugliest Dre beats I've ever heard.. The piano and that scratchy noise dont mix at all!! It's true Dre stayed ahead of the game a long time, but if he keeps on making beats like this that period is over...
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trouble is one of the ugliest Dre beats I've ever heard.. The piano and that scratchy noise dont mix at all!! It's true Dre stayed ahead of the game a long time, but if he keeps on making beats like this that period is over...
I still cant believe Dre produced this. Trouble sounds exactly like a Timbo beat. I love Timbos production, so I love this. A banger.
30 Somethin from Jay sounds like a beat for 2001.
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^^That's the problem with Dre nowadays; He's following the hype of other producers, while he used to be the trendsetter. Just listen how Dre's style changed lately; Storch kinda drum patterns, Timbo's use of synths. And his beats are lacking catchy melodies these days.
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And his beats are lacking catchy melodies these days.
That's why he never gets picked for singles anymore *cough* Busta *cough*.
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^^That's the problem with Dre nowadays; He's following the hype of other producers, while he used to be the trendsetter. Just listen how Dre's style changed lately; Storch kinda drum patterns, Timbo's use of synths. And his beats are lacking catchy melodies these days.
Well I agree with this Timbo beat, thats str8 jacked. But Storch nah, if anything Storch is a Dre copy cat.
He still has catchy melodies like Outta Control, Outta Control remix, Higher, How We Do, Get You Some. Its just that Snoop and Jay both picked his laid back beats. 50 always picks bangers.
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Rember what we all said in late 96, 97, 98 about Dre beats, then an album called 2001 came out...... but back on topic these Dre beats on Jay album are weak, the ones on Snoop are better though
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Rember what we all said in late 96, 97, 98 about Dre beats, then an album called 2001 came out...... but back on topic these Dre beats on Jay album are weak, the ones on Snoop are better though
Exactly. Its all part of his "marketing"
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Dre's beats are getting boring. He better come out out with some Joe Budden beats on Detox. Like Legend of the Falloffs type shit.
Formula right for Dre: Clean snares, old piano sample, boring bassline.
I have faith though, he'll get cracking again.
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Rember what we all said in late 96, 97, 98 about Dre beats, then an album called 2001 came out...... but back on topic these Dre beats on Jay album are weak, the ones on Snoop are better though
Exactly. Its all part of his "marketing"
yo jay picked em..dont forget...
dre will never fall off... he can do some in da club part 2 shit any time...
and trouble is like mix of "if i cant" + "bitch please melo typ of shit" + "shit hits the fan"
oh and "get low" is a banger...
lets see what 50 will choose... he always chooses the tight ones
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Dre's seems to be in the process of falling off.
word, some people got Dre's dick too far stuck up their ass; Not everything Dre puts out is great.
Yeah well, not everything ANYBODY puts out is great.
I still got faith in dude though. Things will remain the same until he changes them.
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I can't imagine how much pressure Dre is feeling...
I guess the greater an artist is, the harder it is to stay consistant
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I'm in the process of bumpin to Imagine, Boss' Life and Round Here which fuckin crazy, and imagine is better than any other song on DA, infact Boss' Life and Round Here would be better than most songs on DA. I've only heard Lost Ones so i dunno about the jay album, but Lost Ones was nice laid back but it didnt overshadow the lyrics.
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The beats are boring as fuck, one of Dre's trademarks is how clean he can make a beat sound but I feel he's making them sound to clean now, all the beats are simple. They sound sterile, he needs to make them sound rawer.
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in all fairness, dre wasnt in the studio to work with jay and didnt get an opportunity to tweek the tracks to the level of perfection that he would normally... remember, about 25 beats were mailed to jay and he just picked the ones he wanted... dre works slow in the studio, so if both artists had the time, im sure these songs would have sounded nicer
i listened to "kingdom come" and i think this album sounds rushed... seems like jay was trying to do too much in order to get this disc out before christmas
peace
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beats for jay-zs wack ass songs
co sign
Doctors Advocate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kingdomcom
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Its the basslines which are Dres trademark not the keys, since 2003 dre has stopped puting basslines in his songs and thats why i think they sound weak. if you think about it try and name me some songs that dre has produced since 2003 with good/proper basslines (probably about 3). I mean dre has made good songs since 2003 but they would of sounded better with basslines. Dre should stop co-producing with Mike Elizondo and just keep him on bass like before.
Get you some, west side story, Oh, in da club,poppin them thangs,start from stratch, how we do, outta control, get low and more = no basslines
see what i mean good songs but would of sounded much better with basslines
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The fact that the majority of the new dre songs on snoops and jays albums have similar elements makes me feel this is dre reinventing his sound again ..Its not so much the fact they picked laid back joints ..I'd say the majority of the joints he provided were moving in this direction ...
Dres production on lost ones, 30 something, imagine,boss life ,outta control remix etc are all extremely clean and it seems dre is incorporatin those piano lessons hes been taking ..
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Its the basslines which are Dres trademark not the keys, since 2003 dre has stopped puting basslines in his songs and thats why i think they sound weak. if you think about it try and name me some songs that dre has produced since 2003 with good/proper basslines (probably about 3). I mean dre has made good songs since 2003 but they would of sounded better with basslines. Dre should stop co-producing with Mike Elizondo and just keep him on bass like before.
Get you some, west side story, Oh, in da club,poppin them thangs,start from stratch, how we do, outta control, get low and more = no basslines
see what i mean good songs but would of sounded much better with basslines
You have a point, Boss Life proves it.
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I just came from a 2 hour drive and I was bumping "Kingdom Come." It completley changed my opinion about Lost Ones. This is definetly one of the most simple beats Dre put out but it goes great with Jays flow and lyrics. Its a serious song so you cant expect some banging shit, when lyrics are the most importatn part. Same goes for Minority Report.
I also noticed the difference between lets say Just Blazes joints and Dres. When I turned up the volume the Blaze joints sounded noisy as fuck, I had to turn down the volume the same second. Then Lost Ones came in and it was just so fucking clean. The difference is really amazing.
Besides Imagine all these Snoop and Jay beats are nothing outstanding, theyre dope but nothing that blows your mind. "30 Something" sounds like a reject from 2001 and the rest sound like they werent even in plan for Detox. Probably Dre just fucking around a lil bit.
And about that bassline thing, I completley agree. I think that the last beat that had it all was "Outta Control remix."
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Agree, thats what i always find, dre's sound is one of the best and is amazing when playing it real loud. And what would be the point in giving jay some crazy beat that every1 focuses on when he wants to get a message across? Most of the stuff was average Dre, but so far the standout dre track from snoop and jays has to be imagine which is top quality Dre. If that was a detox reject then detox must be pretty hot...