West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: KVB1000 on November 22, 2001, 04:42:44 AM
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Has y'all recognized the West's artists failiure to earn mainstream success?
Here's an evalution.
Dr. Dre is the biggest West Coast icon, the West wouldn't be shit without him, for sure.
Nate Dogg is blowing up big, he's with all these East and South artists like JD, Ludacris, Fabolous, Cadillac Tah.
Can't wait to see how his album sells.
Snoop Dogg, Kurupt, Xzibit & Ice Cube are the only other West Coast artists that called be called big in Hip-Hop.
Tha Eastsidaz & Warren G are holdin' it down, but they ain't pushin units.
Snoop Dogg's proteges, Bad Azz, Doggy's Angels, Butch Cassidy, Soopafly, KoKane and so on will never blow up on the national radar without assistance from other big MC's and can't stand on their own without Snoop Dogg.
DPG are heavily overrated. Their (two) albums this year didn't sell shit. I Know Dillinger & Young Gotti was independent, but 'Tha Dogg Pound 2002' is proof. Both Daz & Kurupt are weak lyrically, as seen on Kurupt's last album, and Daz is a wack producer (The above average beats on Dillinger & Young Gotti can be counted on one hand)
Only big sellin' West artists are Dre, Snoop & Xzibit.
Other artists like
Daz
DeFari
DJ Quik
Jayo Felony
Lil' 1/2 Dead
King T
MC Ren
Ras Kass
RBX
Roscoe
Suga Free
Tha Liks
The Lady Of Rage
are underground MC's, realistically.
So, 6 big WC names 4 really, Kurupt really ain't shit, dont sell shit, and Ice Cube is very similar to him, he can only be called a mainstream icon because of his acting.
The four major West Coast representatives in national Hip-Hop are: Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Xzibit and Nate Dogg.
Holla back on what you think. Peace out. By the way, check out Bubba Sparxxx "Ugly". Shit is dope.
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It really doesn't matter to me how much WC artists sell. I'll buy their album regardless if their video it on MTV.
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DPG are heavily overrated. Their (two) albums this year didn't sell shit. I Know Dillinger & Young Gotti was independent, but 'Tha Dogg Pound 2002' is proof. Both Daz & Kurupt are weak lyrically, as seen on Kurupt's last album, and Daz is a wack producer (The above average beats on Dillinger & Young Gotti can be counted on one hand)
lool WTF?? kurupt lyrcally weak??? daz a wack producer?? you must be kidding..... kurupt is one of the best lyricst in the rap game!! and daz beats kill everything else! daz is one the best producers!! even jayz recognized it!! youre post is a joke from beginning to end... ::) ::) ??? ???
peace
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Of course. I could also care less if they sell/they video's on MTV or not.
I buy everything West Coast (except Tha Row and underground shit)
This was just an evalution on how big they are on the national Hip-Hop radar.
By the way, non-mentioned West Coast MC's in my post are underground.
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You don't listen to very much other Hip Hop than WC, do you?
Daz is a very wack producer. Listen to 'Dillinger & Young Gotti'.
Listen to the SUPERB :o beats on R.A.W. Listen to 'Dogg Food'
(alright some beats were good on that, but the rest were average and below average.) Then you'll notice that Daz is a wack producer.
There are many superb producers in the game like
Dr. Dre, Premier, Alchemist, but Daz is nothing in that company. By the way Timbaland is somewhat overrated.
There are many better lyricists in the game than Kurupt. He is OK.
Eminem (No.1), Tash, Xzibit, Proof impresses me these days. Peace
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It really doesn't matter to me how much WC artists sell. I'll buy their album regardless if their video it on MTV.
Word...but i would be nice to see more west on there, or RAP period...shit bout the only rap they play is Nelly, DMX, Luda (even tho' i never seen his new joint on there) Fabolus, Jay-Z, & Eminem...
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well.......yeah daz and kurupts recent shit has been weak cause we all know they can do better , but overall their dope
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WELL....i agree kurupt ain no tight lyricist....he iz very limited lyricly imo....i like hiz vocalz....but he ain one of those mcz whoz vocalz iz so good you"ll pay less attention on tha lyricz...he jus" ain...(he might of been if he"d keep hiz old style....from tha early 90Z...but only if)
DAZ...iz a poor skilled rapper and lyricsist but as a producer i love hiz shit.....most of my love to dazes shit comes from what he did wit pacz classicz like "ambitionz as a rider", "skendalous" ,"amerikaz mos wanted"....you gotta love daz"s shit jus" fo these, man.
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Don't forget about Cypress Hill. They from L.A. and they go platinum everytime they drop a record. Even their spanish album went gold. ;D
DJ Quik goes at least gold everytime he drops something.
How can you say Daz is a wack producer and say Alchemist is superb. Both of them have hits and misses. Not all Alchemist tracks are fire. Some of them are really wack.
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I think kurupt as a lyracist is underatted b/c he has shown in his younger days to come wit some real good shit, but i'll agree that his later shit has sucked an he can do much better, i personally feel daz is a good producers, he never really comes wit anything groundbreakin but he never really drops anything wack, he always comes correct. I also heard 2002 went gold, i dont know how true that is. I think tha problem u have wit daz an kurupt is, is that they can come much tighter, cuz they have proved it b4, this pisses me off too, cuz they could be comin wit classic shit
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Don't forget about Cypress Hill
yeaa..
Only big sellin' West artists are Dre, Snoop & Xzibit
well here is my list of big sellin artisit from tha west:
snoop
dre
xzibit
cypress hill
2pac (still sells a lot, dont forgot about him..)
nate dogg
ice cube
and Eminem is almost a westcoast artist...but nah.. i dont put him on the list..
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Holla back on what you think. Peace out. By the way, check out Bubba Sparxxx "Ugly". Shit is dope.
lmao
your going to critisize west coast rap then throw ^^^ in here.....lol , get the fuck outta here
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id put eminem baout 99% west coast cuz he rollin with them usually and his fav rapper is 2pac not biggie. anyways i think kurupt and other west coast cats tryin to hard to get mainstream success they forgettin where there real fan base is and they tryin to have a poppy egde to the joints they doin at the moment..eg.kurupt-its over....nigga's are forgettin who there real fans are and are sellin out, they gotta realise that if they go back to what made them big in the first place and come up with some dope shit instead of tryin so hard to sound all poppy in ya songs, u gonna sell enough shit...cuz the ppl who bought the albums when they kept it gangsta and helped made them big aint gonna be nuying these west coast albums from the biggest stars when they tryin to be more poppy cuz its not what they lookin outta them
peace
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i cant believe im hearin yall talkin bout kurupt iz weak lyrically?? wtf! daz...yah i can see dat. i neva really felt daz so much. but kurupt?? he one of tightest on tha mic in all of rap. i cant think of a westcoast rappa that can fuk wit kurupt on tha mic, n NO....not even snoop. but yah, there do seem tah be a lack of WC artist makin it BIG in rap lately. but yall know rap move in cycles. in tha early 90'z e'rybody in tha country wanted tah be a gangsta n drank on gin n juice. lol. i mean, only a few years ago...the eastcoast seem tah be dominatin....but theyve fell off now too sumwhat. cept for folkz like jay z n ja rule n shit like that. but thas cus theyve turned they music pop, n alotta westcoast artist dont. if u seen lately, tha songz that been makin it big....gotta have sum female vocalist singin tha hook or sumthin. One thang i heard befo in a magazine, was sayin how dre n snoop might have actually hurt otha westcoast rapperz wit Tha Chronic n Doggystyle. True, it put focus on tha west....but, that shit was SO big....n had SO much influence...that every westcoast rapper after that, had to live up tah tha standard they set....n snoop n dre themSELVES havent been able to live up to it yet...but, like i said....cyclez.....itll all come back around. no doubt...
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have u not heard Dogg food...Kurupt wack lyrically.....hahahhahahahha
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i'm gonna agree with most of the shit that KVB said...you really don't hear much of anything from the west...the east and now south really do most of raps sales...but it does not surprise because i was once a westcoast head before it became tiresome...besides Dres and melmans production, you can't expect anything real new...the east brings hip-hop which never gets boring, west in all gangbang, gangsta shit with tired lyrics and played out sounds...i feel the best thing in the westcoast right now is Dilated Peoples, they are hip-hop and really an east coast sounding group although they are completely underground...i also feel xzibit alot, and tha liks here and there...i would not really consider kurupt a tight lyicist anymore, his vocabulary seems to have been stripped down to 'fuck a bitch, suck a dick' which i don't find a highside to hip-hop...also eminem is definately not considered westcoast, he don't rep westcoast, he's from detroit which is far from the west...i don't even know how yall can even bring up cube's name when he has basically quit the game to pursue an acting career...dj quik hasn't held anything down for more than a weekend, although his party joints are amusing and fun to bounce to when tipsy...nate dogg is a big name in the westcoast but he hasn't proven yet that he can sell a solo record...snoop and dre and maybe xzibit is what it comes down to...i wouldn't consider 2Pac because his never-ending line of music which mostly sells because everyone wants a rap legends every work and are willing to settle with left-overs which were never meant to be released...last time i've heard an absolute amazing 2Pac cd was Makaveli and it was the last one he made while alive, coincidence i think not...the eastsidaz are broke, i know i'm gonna have some shots taken at me for that...doggys angels were a complete joke, and their sucess to date has proven it...ras kass is awesome and deserves every bit of respect he deserves...also i have a hard time finding quality snoop music which i enjoy and consider gems...there were 2 or 3 on the last meal and 2 or 3 real good ones on bones plus the wash song but that's about it...so really in the end it's like this Dre and Snoop will continue to bump, although snoop will never see the sucess of his better days, dilated peoples is the best in l.a. along with ras kass but they will probably never break through out of the underground, xzibit deserves what he's gotm eh holds it down, and the rest are in a big ball circled around and every once in awhile one will be picked out and a rare hit will surface, peace.
don't hate on me for all this shit though, peace.
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Xzibit is the best West Coast lyricist and MC, hands down, no question.
That's an example of an MC who blew up because of his SKILLS, unlike Ja Rule and them fake pop faggots.
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lmao
your going to critisize west coast rap then throw ^^^ in here.....lol , get the fuck outta here
That's what i was bout to say. Who the fuck does he think he is trying to publicise some fucking Southern Rapper. If that!!! Tmbrlnd's trying to do a Dre. But wont succeed cuz no one wants a farmer rapper in their music collection!!
I'll give him 2 years befor he drops.
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You trippin' because I told you that this song was ill.
You a awkward punk, ;)you should be thrown out of this forum. I love WC hiphop like the rest of y'all.
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As for the West, dont be too angry that they dont push much units. I think back in the day when Snoop ruled every cat in New York was pissed that Death Row is the only spot that gathers all the platinum. West was once on top, and it will be again. It might not be Snoop, Spice 1, Eiht or anybody else that ruled back then, but it can be somebody fresh.
You never know when the mainstream grabs you. Did Nelly ever think he'll be major? Did DMX know that his first solo will gather so much $$$? Who knows, maybe tomorrow someone like Soopafly will be kickin Britney Sperms off the fuckin charts.
And for the host of this thread, man, you're a schizophrenic. You cant be judging ANYBODY older than your house pet if your joint of the year is "Ugly". Quit fuckin around here with that shit, get a life.
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You can't hate on Bubba's flow on that song. He may not be the illest lyricist in the game, but he has skills. I'm not saying that it is jam of the year, but Bubba delivers great lyrics with a KILLER flow, and the beat is 2001's best, aside from probably "Fight Music" or "Get Ur Freak On" or "In Here" (Alchemist produced, SUPERB piano beat) off Guru's independent release, "Baldhead Slick & Da Click".
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You're just another zombie that Timbaland created. He can make awesome tracks (Snoop Dogg whats my name ptII, Hola Hovito, Feel It, Luv 2 Luv Ya etc,), but he creates shit stains too. He himself knows that its crap, and he laughs at yall young people that get infected by Get Ur Freak On, Ugly etc, cuz you bring him money. You need to stick to Balhead Slick and throw that semi-hip-hop shit away .
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He IS a dope producer, though somewhat overrated (I've heard magazines & Internet articles call him the best producer in the world, LOL). What you posted don't mean shit. What you posted about the beats is pointless. You call Bubba semi-hip-hop because he hasn't grown up in a black ghetto neighborhood, bullshit. The game needs more white rappers.
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Kurupt lyrically weak??? Daz a wack producer??? look bro im not hatin or startin beef but u need to get your head outta your ass and really listen to their muthafuckin music man. neither of them are wack.. the reason west coast artists dont sell much is cuz people are into that east coast-pop shit more than that gangsta shit. but hte true hip hop fans keep it real and stick to the west.
Peace
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reason tha east sellin more records iz cus they radio stations stick to they own more. out hea in kali u hear alotta eastcoast music on tha radioz. out in ny youll hear snoop, dre....n be lucky tah hear anythang else. so people out that way aint goan be likely tah hear alotta tha shit comin outta tha west. not tah mention, u got bullshit rap magazinez givin shitty ratings to westcoast albumz when they give good ratingz to sum trash eastcoast albumz. not sayin all albumz frum tha east r trash. but most ny criticz are str8 haterz when it comez to tha west!! if u read tha inside of jayo felony'z cover tah hiz cd he explain hiz beef wit def jam. n itz for jus that reason, tha label pushin back they release datez of all itz westcoast artistz. n only releasin tha eastcoast albums. tha best thang for tha west tah do, is say fuk all that and do tha shit ourselvez. our own rap magazinez, dont rely on NY rap magazinez tah give good ratings. n if all tha westcoast radio stationz would push these albumz way more. i mean, we aint gotta hate on tha east like they do us. but shit, wha u think they did when tha west was dominatin? they flipped it up by supportin they OWN. exactly wha we need tah do....