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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: LyRiCaL_G on November 28, 2006, 02:32:21 PM
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rappers need to quit singing hooks, leave it to the pros........a few hear and their is dope and if you gone do your own hook, take it back to its roots, eminem started singin his hooks on eminem show, i hated that shit......his hooks on mmlp, were on another level, no singin hardly apart from on a few tracks and he wasnt tryna be nate or someone he aint.........50 needs to do the same, a few hooks singin is aight, but not a whole album, people so quick to point out games album does not having him do many hooks, i think thats one of the reasons its a brilliant album, he leaves it to the pros and when he does a hook himself it sounds dope.
rappers need to work on their hook game
im out
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There used to be a time when a song didn't go like this:
Verse
Hook
Verse
Hook
Verse
Hook x2
Now that a song is like that today, the hooks is just either thrown together or they make up the whole song.
In my opinion anyways.
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People pay more attention to the hooks than anything. I can't count how many times I've seen someone listen to a horrible song then say "I don't really like that song, but the hook is nice".
Hooks + Beats = Success. Just look at 50.
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When 50 came out he really changed the game. The focous nowadays is more on the whole songwriting process, from how you write your verses, how you flow on the beat and the hook became an important part two.
Many rappers try to do these hooks but fail to do so, the best hook/songwriters are Snoop, 50 and Busta imo.
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When 50 came out he really changed the game. The focous nowadays is more on the whole songwriting process, from how you write your verses, how you flow on the beat and the hook became an important part two.
Many rappers try to do these hooks but fail to do so, the best hook/songwriters are Snoop, 50 and Busta imo.
Aint nothing wrong with writing hooks, its when you try to sing them the song goes to shit. If Ja had gotten someone like omarion or Ne Yo to sing "Those hips, those thighs" etc etc he would never hace fallen off because even i would have enjoyed the songs, and im sure a lot of others.
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There used to be a time when a song didn't go like this:
Verse
Hook
Verse
Hook
Verse
Hook x2
Now that a song is like that today, the hooks is just either thrown together or they make up the whole song.
In my opinion anyways.
dont forget the always lame bridge between hook 3 and the final verse
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There used to be a time when a song didn't go like this:
Verse
Hook
Verse
Hook
Verse
Hook x2
Now that a song is like that today, the hooks is just either thrown together or they make up the whole song.
In my opinion anyways.
dont forget the always lame bridge between hook 3 and the final verse
Oh yeah, LOL, that too.
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Hooks are one part of what makes a song catchy wether its a rapper doing it or if its a sample cut from a producer. It just depends on wether its good or not.
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Hooks are one part of what makes a song catchy wether its a rapper doing it or if its a sample cut from a producer. It just depends on wether its good or not.
True talk there, 7 times outta 10 near the end like QuietTruth said there's a lame bridge, i hear it too many times >_>. If the hook catches onto me then i start listening to the rest of the lyrics pretty much. Then i got a full evaluation if it good or not.
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you NEED a hook 8/10 times unless youre on some wu tang triumph lyrical ability, but usually a song wont hold attention if you cant bring it all together with unifying part
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Chamillionaire should be the only artist who can rap and sing the hook on the same song.
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Danger from the wild wild west
cant you tell by the S on my chest
We got hoes for days plus we paid
no dress no mothafuckin stress
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There used to be a time when a song didn't go like this:
Verse
Hook
Verse
Hook
Verse
Hook x2
Now that a song is like that today, the hooks is just either thrown together or they make up the whole song.
In my opinion anyways.
i agree wit that shit fo real
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Chamillionaire should be the only artist who can rap and sing the hook on the same song.
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Chamillionaire should be the only artist who can rap and sing the hook on the same song.
And Bone.
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The guy rapping for me sings and raps but actualy sings not like that eminem/50 type signing im talking he sounds like akon then starts rapping.
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When 50 came out he really changed the game. The focous nowadays is more on the whole songwriting process, from how you write your verses, how you flow on the beat and the hook became an important part two.
Many rappers try to do these hooks but fail to do so, the best hook/songwriters are Snoop, 50 and Busta imo.
I wouldn't necessarily call it "changing the game"..because it has been done before by several other rappers way b4 50 was a rapper...Ja rule was singing too...biggie sang some shit....
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you NEED a hook 8/10 times unless youre on some wu tang triumph lyrical ability, but usually a song wont hold attention if you cant bring it all together with unifying part
Lil' Wayne didn't have hooks for most of the Carter 2 and most of yall loved that shit
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When 50 came out he really changed the game. The focous nowadays is more on the whole songwriting process, from how you write your verses, how you flow on the beat and the hook became an important part two.
Many rappers try to do these hooks but fail to do so, the best hook/songwriters are Snoop, 50 and Busta imo.
I wouldn't necessarily call it "changing the game"..because it has been done before by several other rappers way b4 50 was a rapper...Ja rule was singing too...biggie sang some shit....
you can say 50 cent is a good hook writer but imo he isnt very good when he does the hook by himself
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rappers need to quit singing hooks, leave it to the pros
Amen to that
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Hate it or love it but 50 Cent can sing and has great hooks. 50 and Cham have almost identical styles.
I devide the hooks from 50 into 4 categories:
a) On serious, gangsta tracks: Always has dope hooks
b) On club bangers: always dope too (Outta Control, Outta Control remix, How We Do, In Da Club....)
c) Catchy tracks: usually I dont like them but you have to look them in different prospective. They were made to be catchy. Take a Lil Bit for example. The hook is mad corny but everybody was singing it for 2 months. Similliar example is Chams Grown And Sexy.
d) Garbage: Candy Shop
Anyone that says that Cham is the only one who should be singing hooks, is saying "and 50 Cent also". Their styles are so simillar its just plain hating if you dont admit that.
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When 50 came out he really changed the game. The focous nowadays is more on the whole songwriting process, from how you write your verses, how you flow on the beat and the hook became an important part two.
Many rappers try to do these hooks but fail to do so, the best hook/songwriters are Snoop, 50 and Busta imo.
Aint nothing wrong with writing hooks, its when you try to sing them the song goes to shit. If Ja had gotten someone like omarion or Ne Yo to sing "Those hips, those thighs" etc etc he would never hace fallen off because even i would have enjoyed the songs, and im sure a lot of others.
But anyone that focus only on these 3 crappy songs Ja made on one album, full of gangsta tracks is an idiot.
But people get hated on more when theyre on top. Basically every commercial rapper has made crappy, chick track but only the ones on top get the hate. Because when they do it, its a mega hit.
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Chamillionaire should be the only artist who can rap and sing the hook on the same song.
And Bone.
And Devin
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You can't say only certain dudes can do hooks and certain ones can't, it ain't black and white like that. Sure, some do it better more often than others, but that don't mean somebody NEVER comes good on a hook.
I'm ready for a change in the game though, it's kinda boring that all tracks now have that "popular music pattern", verse, chorus, verse, chorus, verse, bridge, chorus, chorus. But I guess it was inevitable when rap made the breakthrough into popular culture.
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seen green?!
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Mobb Deep's "GET AWAY" was such a tight hook as it kept looping in while H and P exchanged bar for bar ;)