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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: herpes on December 07, 2006, 08:20:23 PM
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Notice how the past month nas has been sayin its not the south that is destroying hip hip, its everyone including himself that has done in hip hop. Yet all these southern cats are going at nas lol. Jeezy, TI, Rick Ross, and a few worthless bums.
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LOL...dude you read my mind. That's the first thing that crossed my mind when someone posted a vid of some south cats talking shit bout Nas a while ago.
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Notice how the past month nas has been sayin its not the south that is destroying hip hip, its everyone including himself that has done in hip hop. Yet all these southern cats are going at nas lol. Jeezy, TI, Rick Ross, and a few worthless bums.
repeat that, hip hip and including himself and all that.
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i don't know how you guys fell but.....Jeezy, Rick Ross, Lil Scrapy and some other dirty south rappers are fuckin crap. They make hip hop look fuckin stupid and so materialistic. I thought hip hop was passed that after No Limit and Cash Money fell off but guess not, leave it to the South to fuck shit up again.
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^lol
damn slack jawed yokels.
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long live hiphop!... fuck (most of) the south! :)
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Jeezy is a bum, he got the nerve to say NAs ain't from the street...Nigga Nas is from the largest and most notorious projects in America...
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yeah man the whole south is mad at nas
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The east has it and will always have it no matter if they are making no noise, in my opinion.
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Luda took offence to Nas also when I seen him wearing a shirt at the BET awards that said "Hip Hop Aint Dead...It Lives in the South"
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f that shit
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This reminds me of when "I used to love HER" dropped, it was obvious Common was dissing west coast artists if you read between the lines. The same thing is happening in 2006 with the South. The South has become the scapegoat for everything wrong with hip hop, but the truth is, New York and Cali has dropped it's fair share of garbage as well. The Southern rappers are reading between the lines, just like Ice Cube did 11 years ago.
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Damn Juronimo hit it on the nail. I laugh when cayts from the West diss the South like they didn't cry about the East treating the West as nothing but Gang Banging bullshit.
LMAO @ Oklin. You're not a true fan, please stay out of any Hip Hop debates.
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California`s Where I'm At Right: You have nerve to diss the South while you rep Cali. Listen to some Bay music and tell me they aint on that shit the South is on. Fucking hypocrites.
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All taht the south has going for them is the beats. The last time i check on a southern rap's lyrics was Cunninlynguists, and before that... Scarface? Fuck, that just about covers it. West coast and East Coast cats are a lot more diverse in my opinion, and there's a bigger spectrum of whack to sick on both coasts. The south is either Ok, crap, or abosultely unlistenable garbage
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All taht the south has going for them is the beats. The last time i check on a southern rap's lyrics was Cunninlynguists, and before that... Scarface? Fuck, that just about covers it. West coast and East Coast cats are a lot more diverse in my opinion, and there's a bigger spectrum of whack to sick on both coasts. The south is either Ok, crap, or abosultely unlistenable garbage
I should smack the shit out of ya.
UGK
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California`s Where I'm At Right: You have nerve to diss the South while you rep Cali. Listen to some Bay music and tell me they aint on that shit the South is on. Fucking hypocrites.
I dont know cali's where Im at's taste in music but who is to say if he likes what coming out of the bay. The hyphy stuff is a very different sound then your traditional west coast sound. Me, im from NY and Im down for NY all day every day but it dont mean I like a lot of the trash that comes out of NY
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SGV just gets logs on to DubCC when he's mad, ignore him
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California`s Where I'm At Right: You have nerve to diss the South while you rep Cali. Listen to some Bay music and tell me they aint on that shit the South is on. Fucking hypocrites.
honestly i'm not into that whole Hyphy and Crunk shit, just because i'm from Cali doesn't mean i listen nor like Hyphy. I'm just saying most of the shit coming from the south is all about money...money.....money, it's fuckin stupid. That shit was played out like 5...6 years ago. For example that song "money in the bank" or something like that, who can honestly say they like that shit?
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Nas dissed the South and he pussied out and apologized. Just because cats like Jeezy and Ross aren't gonna let his ass slide doesn't mean they've got a guilty conscience.
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Nasir lost
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California`s Where I'm At Right: You have nerve to diss the South while you rep Cali. Listen to some Bay music and tell me they aint on that shit the South is on. Fucking hypocrites.
honestly i'm not into that whole Hyphy and Crunk shit, just because i'm from Cali doesn't mean i listen nor like Hyphy. I'm just saying most of the shit coming from the south is all about money...money.....money, it's fuckin stupid. That shit was played out like 5...6 years ago. For example that song "money in the bank" or something like that, who can honestly say they like that shit?
You can say the same thing about the west. The west is all about gangbangin. But the truth is, hiphop is in a sad state right now. You cant deny that. Im not saying the music from the west is better, cuz theyve had their share in fucking up hiphop, same for the eastcoast. But it just seems that these days its only about showing how many bitches, gold, cars or whatever you got. Actually its been like that for a long time, but now its getting so obvious because theres so much money in hiphop that every rapper can make a video like that. But i guess thats what happens when a type of music gets comercial. You can say the same thing about reggae back in the day.
But anyway it all comes down to taste, what do you like the most? Personally i dont care for most of the mainstream music. But i got to say 2006 has been a good year for me, music wise. There were some dope albums dropped:
- Snoop Dogg - Tha Blue Carpet Treatment
- Ghostface - More Fish
- The Game - Doctors Advocate
- Ice Cube - Laugh Now Cry Later
- Daz - So So Gangsta
- Xzibit - Full Circle
- Nas - Hiphop Is Dead
- Jay-z - Kingdome Come
- Akon - Konvicted
Im sure im forgetting some...
You can say, if you dont like mainstream hiphop why do you listen to this? Sometimes you just gotta let go, and enjoy an album. But just dont buy every album. Support artists who you think really deserve it.
But its good Nas dropped a album like that, cuz it encourages people to get a little more creative. And especially the south rappers cuz they thought it was directed at them. So it gives them the chance to show Nas that he isnt right.
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LMAO @ Oklin. You're not a true fan, please stay out of any Hip Hop debates.
:camp:
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The east & west is just as much to blame for the "I'm gangsta" & materialistic attitude in hip-hop but no one has such blatantly cash-in orientated as some of the crap that's come out of the south in the past while.
Nice quote in your sig Oklin.
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Nice quote in your sig Oklin.
thanks.. it was a dope ass concert!.. with Pharoahe Monch as warm up 8)
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Nas dissed the South and he pussied out and apologized. Just because cats like Jeezy and Ross aren't gonna let his ass slide doesn't mean they've got a guilty conscience.
yea going on record for the past few months saying the title isnt about the south even b4 these southern cats got on his case means he pussied out ::)
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i can't hate the south cause they got talent, it's only that most of the times they dont really want to put some tight shit. I'd say the south is not different from the east, you got very talented artists who put out some dope ass music like UGK, 8ball & MJG, Chamillionaire, Z-Ro, Trae, T.I., Scarface. Then You have some of the worst shit to ever get release like d4l, them franchise boys, jeezy. They stay united though they all do music togheter wheter it's wack or not. There's a lot of wack rappers in the east 2.
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I think I'll use a Tupac quote:
"It's not about east or west, its about niggaz and bitches, power and money, riders and punks. Which side are you on"
I think you can apply it to what is going on here. There's quality artists coming from EVERY region. There's also some "artists" (and use that term loosely) that really put out some extreme bullshit from every region. The latter group are the ones being called out. There's cats out that are STRICTLY in it for the hustle - smart ass dudes that see that if they go about it a certain way they can get paid. But these same hustlers are whoring Hip Hop.
They have ZERO respect for the artistic nature of music. They know if they consistently chase trends that their shit has a better chance blow and cash in. That's all it's about. And I completely understand that angle and mentality in a business sense. But I'm talking about HIP HOP - NOT BUSINESS.
So while they're pimpin the game they're also destroying it. But it's not just the artist - it's labels, media, corporations, etc. All of these aspects are what Nas is talking about when he says Hip Hop Is Dead. And he gets MAD PROPS for doing it. Motherfuckers need to be called out. And cats are mad sensitive because they know what Nas is saying and they know they're guilty. They don't want to be exposed because it will fuck up their hustle.
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Nas dissed the South and he pussied out and apologized. Just because cats like Jeezy and Ross aren't gonna let his ass slide doesn't mean they've got a guilty conscience.
yea going on record for the past few months saying the title isnt about the south even b4 these southern cats got on his case means he pussied out ::)
Hey, they're on top right now. Even if it wasn't directed towards the south, they have every right to be pissed about it.
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All taht the south has going for them is the beats. The last time i check on a southern rap's lyrics was Cunninlynguists, and before that... Scarface? Fuck, that just about covers it. West coast and East Coast cats are a lot more diverse in my opinion, and there's a bigger spectrum of whack to sick on both coasts. The south is either Ok, crap, or abosultely unlistenable garbage
The South isn't diverse eh? Ok idiot. Here we go again. Paul Wall sounds nothing like Project Pat, who sounds nothing like Trick Daddy, who sounds nothing like Lil Wayne who sounds nothing like Little Brother, who sounds nothing like Ludacris... You my friend are not educated on Southern Hip Hop. Now be quiet.
I dont know cali's where Im at's taste in music but who is to say if he likes what coming out of the bay. The hyphy stuff is a very different sound then your traditional west coast sound. Me, im from NY and Im down for NY all day every day but it dont mean I like a lot of the trash that comes out of NY
That's fine, I never said he liked it. I simply said, he disses the South for something artists in his own state are doing. That's being hypocritical. Sure he got that from a Pac song, but that still signifies him as repping Cali. Last time I checked, the Bay was in Cali. So, Cali is putting out nearly identical music to the South. You can't diss one and not the other. Slap yourself one time Tommy.
SGV just gets logs on to DubCC when he's mad, ignore him
You know when I log on? You're a faggot.
honestly i'm not into that whole Hyphy and Crunk shit, just because i'm from Cali doesn't mean i listen nor like Hyphy. I'm just saying most of the shit coming from the south is all about money...money.....money, it's fuckin stupid. That shit was played out like 5...6 years ago. For example that song "money in the bank" or something like that, who can honestly say they like that shit?
Like I said in my post to Tommy: Cali is putting out nearly identical music to the South. You can't diss one and not the other.
But let me ask you, is it better to rap about being a 30 something Crip? Is it better to rap about killing people?
And that quote people are celebrating by Erick Sermon is the exact reason the South is going at Nas for this. Dudes like Kay Slay and Erick Sermon are NY legends and they're really going hard at the South for being on top. And it's not just E Double and Kay Slay, it's plenty of NY rappers that are mad at the South for being on top right now. So when they see an album titled "Hip Hop Is Dead" come out just as they're enjoying the best success they've ever had, what are they going to think? Probably what they're all thinking now "another New York muthafucka mad that he ain't doing as well as we are right now..."
Maybe New York has a guilty conscience. Maybe they deep down wish they could be in the position the South is in. The South can drop a Laffy Taffy track and hold it's cred no problem. NY can't. Nobody wants to hear their shit right now and it frustrates them and their fans.
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All taht the south has going for them is the beats. The last time i check on a southern rap's lyrics was Cunninlynguists, and before that... Scarface? Fuck, that just about covers it. West coast and East Coast cats are a lot more diverse in my opinion, and there's a bigger spectrum of whack to sick on both coasts. The south is either Ok, crap, or abosultely unlistenable garbage
The South isn't diverse eh? Ok idiot. Here we go again. Paul Wall sounds nothing like Project Pat, who sounds nothing like Trick Daddy, who sounds nothing like Lil Wayne who sounds nothing like Little Brother, who sounds nothing like Ludacris... You my friend are not educated on Southern Hip Hop. Now be quiet.
I dont know cali's where Im at's taste in music but who is to say if he likes what coming out of the bay. The hyphy stuff is a very different sound then your traditional west coast sound. Me, im from NY and Im down for NY all day every day but it dont mean I like a lot of the trash that comes out of NY
That's fine, I never said he liked it. I simply said, he disses the South for something artists in his own state are doing. That's being hypocritical. Sure he got that from a Pac song, but that still signifies him as repping Cali. Last time I checked, the Bay was in Cali. So, Cali is putting out nearly identical music to the South. You can't diss one and not the other. Slap yourself one time Tommy.
SGV just gets logs on to DubCC when he's mad, ignore him
You know when I log on? You're a faggot.
honestly i'm not into that whole Hyphy and Crunk shit, just because i'm from Cali doesn't mean i listen nor like Hyphy. I'm just saying most of the shit coming from the south is all about money...money.....money, it's fuckin stupid. That shit was played out like 5...6 years ago. For example that song "money in the bank" or something like that, who can honestly say they like that shit?
Like I said in my post to Tommy: Cali is putting out nearly identical music to the South. You can't diss one and not the other.
But let me ask you, is it better to rap about being a 30 something Crip? Is it better to rap about killing people?
And that quote people are celebrating by Erick Sermon is the exact reason the South is going at Nas for this. Dudes like Kay Slay and Erick Sermon are NY legends and they're really going hard at the South for being on top. And it's not just E Double and Kay Slay, it's plenty of NY rappers that are mad at the South for being on top right now. So when they see an album titled "Hip Hop Is Dead" come out just as they're enjoying the best success they've ever had, what are they going to think? Probably what they're all thinking now "another New York muthafucka mad that he ain't doing as well as we are right now..."
Maybe New York has a guilty conscience. Maybe they deep down wish they could be in the position the South is in. The South can drop a Laffy Taffy track and hold it's cred no problem. NY can't. Nobody wants to hear their shit right now and it frustrates them and their fans.
Ok homie, out of those 6cats you mentioned 4 of em have something in common - they suck, or in a less harsh language, the're boring. Acutally scratch that, little brother i spretty boring also
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And you like???
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New York lost man Chicken Noodle Soup didn't work
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And that quote people are celebrating by Erick Sermon is the exact reason the South is going at Nas for this. Dudes like Kay Slay and Erick Sermon are NY legends and they're really going hard at the South for being on top. And it's not just E Double and Kay Slay, it's plenty of NY rappers that are mad at the South for being on top right now. So when they see an album titled "Hip Hop Is Dead" come out just as they're enjoying the best success they've ever had, what are they going to think? Probably what they're all thinking now "another New York muthafucka mad that he ain't doing as well as we are right now..."
Couldn't have been broken down any better.
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how about this you homos
the South fad will eventually fade out anyway, just like all genres do, then there will be bitching by all sides involved
people are acting like the South is on top and that's the way it's gonna be for eternity
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slap myself... so a small segement of music out of a huge state represents there whole music landscape. Especially a style of music that failed on a mainstream level. Last time I checked snoop, crooked I, J5, murs werent hyphy music and they are from cali. In NY most cats didnt consider the hyphy sound a west coast sound. It was its own sound. So by your theory when Ja Rule was pushing big numbers his sound represented all of new york.
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how about this you homos
the South fad will eventually fade out anyway, just like all genres do, then there will be bitching by all sides involved
people are acting like the South is on top and that's the way it's gonna be for eternity
Fad? The South has been on top since 1997 when Master P and No Limit came out. That's almost a decade, homie. The West Coast barely lasted 5 years at the top.
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^ I didn't really mean it like that, I meant in terms of popularity
just like the East and the West have been big commercially and then it slows down, the same thing will happen
I think everyone can agree on that
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how about this you homos
the South fad will eventually fade out anyway, just like all genres do, then there will be bitching by all sides involved
people are acting like the South is on top and that's the way it's gonna be for eternity
Fad? The South has been on top since 1997 when Master P and No Limit came out. That's almost a decade, homie. The West Coast barely lasted 5 years at the top.
the south hasntbeen on top since 97. I would say it was in 97 when they also took the ball and said we can play with the east and west. But from 97- late 2k4 it was more of every 6 months a certain region would be on top and it was a cycle. Now if you said since 2005 the south has been on top you would of been right.
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the south hasntbeen on top since 97. I would say it was in 97 when they also took the ball and said we can play with the east and west. But from 97- late 2k4 it was more of every 6 months a certain region would be on top and it was a cycle. Now if you said since 2005 the south has been on top you would of been right.
Bullshit. The South "took the ball" in the late-80s when 2 Live Crew came out, moreso in the early- to mid-90s when UGK, Outkast, Goodie Mob, etc. started breaking nationally. But No Limit demonstrated the growth of Southern rap to near-dominance, as did Cash Money. And so did Def Jam's success with Ludacris, which began in 2000. It's been well over 5 years since the South took control, easily. Southern dominance did not begin with Lil Jon, homie. Not by a longshot.
LOL at you thinking it's only been since 2005 since the South was on top. You're fuckin stupid if you think that.
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the south hasntbeen on top since 97. I would say it was in 97 when they also took the ball and said we can play with the east and west. But from 97- late 2k4 it was more of every 6 months a certain region would be on top and it was a cycle. Now if you said since 2005 the south has been on top you would of been right.
Bullshit. The South "took the ball" in the late-80s when 2 Live Crew came out, moreso in the early- to mid-90s when UGK, Outkast, Goodie Mob, etc. started breaking nationally. But No Limit demonstrated the growth of Southern rap to near-dominance, as did Cash Money. And so did Def Jam's success with Ludacris, which began in 2000. It's been well over 5 years since the South took control, easily. Southern dominance did not begin with Lil Jon, homie. Not by a longshot.
LOL at you thinking it's only been since 2005 since the South was on top. You're fuckin stupid if you think that.
yea so lets ignore puffy and the shiney suit era in 97. And wu-tang forever the hype behind that release wasnt real. There are just so many people in the wu-tang that it just seems like they had a huge hype with wu-tang forever. Hey in 98 didnt DMX have 2 albums released that both went to number one. Last time I checked he was from NY. And I guess where just completely ignore Jay-Z from that time period. And the up in smoke tour, 2001 going 7x platinum, the last meal, and the rumors on the NWA reunion were just made up by jimmy iovine and his zionist movement. And just b/c ja rule make crappy music doesnt cross his name off the list of non southern cats that had a the radio on lock. And hearing three 50 cents songs on the radio in a hour really isnt a lot when you think about. A song on the radio last about 3-4 minutes so 50 was only taking up 10-12 minutes of radio time a hour. When you look at the grand scheme of things thats not really a lot.
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yea so lets ignore puffy and the shiney suit era in 97. And wu-tang forever the hype behind that release wasnt real. There are just so many people in the wu-tang that it just seems like they had a huge hype with wu-tang forever. Hey in 98 didnt DMX have 2 albums released that both went to number one. Last time I checked he was from NY. And I guess where just completely ignore Jay-Z from that time period. And the up in smoke tour, 2001 going 7x platinum, the last meal, and the rumors on the NWA reunion were just made up by jimmy iovine and his zionist movement. And just b/c ja rule make crappy music doesnt cross his name off the list of non southern cats that had a the radio on lock. And hearing three 50 cents songs on the radio in a hour really isnt a lot when you think about. A song on the radio last about 3-4 minutes so 50 was only taking up 10-12 minutes of radio time a hour. When you look at the grand scheme of things thats not really a lot.
I'm not "ignoring" any of that shit. But the fact is that the South was producing more chart-topping rappers than any other coast by the late-90s/early-2000s. How you gon say "it only started in 2005"? That's fuckin idiocy, son. No more, no less.
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yea so lets ignore puffy and the shiney suit era in 97. And wu-tang forever the hype behind that release wasnt real. There are just so many people in the wu-tang that it just seems like they had a huge hype with wu-tang forever. Hey in 98 didnt DMX have 2 albums released that both went to number one. Last time I checked he was from NY. And I guess where just completely ignore Jay-Z from that time period. And the up in smoke tour, 2001 going 7x platinum, the last meal, and the rumors on the NWA reunion were just made up by jimmy iovine and his zionist movement. And just b/c ja rule make crappy music doesnt cross his name off the list of non southern cats that had a the radio on lock. And hearing three 50 cents songs on the radio in a hour really isnt a lot when you think about. A song on the radio last about 3-4 minutes so 50 was only taking up 10-12 minutes of radio time a hour. When you look at the grand scheme of things thats not really a lot.
I'm not "ignoring" any of that shit. But the fact is that the South was producing more chart-topping rappers than any other coast by the late-90s/early-2000s. How you gon say "it only started in 2005"? That's fuckin idiocy, son. No more, no less.
I think you misunderstood me. I didnt mean to say the south only started putting out chart topping music in 2005, b/c cash money and no limits had there runs to. But to come on some shit like since 97 the south has been running hip hop that fuckin lunacy, son. No more no less
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yea so lets ignore puffy and the shiney suit era in 97. And wu-tang forever the hype behind that release wasnt real. There are just so many people in the wu-tang that it just seems like they had a huge hype with wu-tang forever. Hey in 98 didnt DMX have 2 albums released that both went to number one. Last time I checked he was from NY. And I guess where just completely ignore Jay-Z from that time period. And the up in smoke tour, 2001 going 7x platinum, the last meal, and the rumors on the NWA reunion were just made up by jimmy iovine and his zionist movement. And just b/c ja rule make crappy music doesnt cross his name off the list of non southern cats that had a the radio on lock. And hearing three 50 cents songs on the radio in a hour really isnt a lot when you think about. A song on the radio last about 3-4 minutes so 50 was only taking up 10-12 minutes of radio time a hour. When you look at the grand scheme of things thats not really a lot.
I'm not "ignoring" any of that shit. But the fact is that the South was producing more chart-topping rappers than any other coast by the late-90s/early-2000s. How you gon say "it only started in 2005"? That's fuckin idiocy, son. No more, no less.
No, actually you did ignore that shit. You said the south has had shit locked since 97, yet there were numerous other albums selling like a motherfucker from other regions - don't forget about Nelly either. Wasn't his shit pushing diamond? Nas and Jay both released critically and commercially successful albums in late 01. South may have been droppin significant albums as well, but so was everybody else. So it sounds great for your arguement, but it's not accurate to say the south only has been runnin shit for 10 years, lol.
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all i got to say is this
-i don't really believe nas was directing it SOLEY at the south
-i agree with tom when he says the south must have a guilty conscience
-when it was west vs east, the argument was ALOT more reasonable on both sides
a) the east was losing hip hop to a different region and style
b) the west was putting out classic music
-how many certified classics, outside of outkast ghetto boys and scarface albums has south put out ?
-hip hop is doomed to die out anyway, its' how the music industry works
-sooner or later another genre will take over
-i've said it for a few years now, hip hop is in it's 'hair metal' 'disco' phase sooner or later the industry will see a counter genre much like punk was to disco and grunge was to hair metal, then something else will spawn and we'll all be considered old fuddy duddy's for liking hip hop
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I think I'll use a Tupac quote:
"It's not about east or west, its about niggaz and bitches, power and money, riders and punks. Which side are you on"
I think you can apply it to what is going on here. There's quality artists coming from EVERY region. There's also some "artists" (and use that term loosely) that really put out some extreme bullshit from every region. The latter group are the ones being called out. There's cats out that are STRICTLY in it for the hustle - smart ass dudes that see that if they go about it a certain way they can get paid. But these same hustlers are whoring Hip Hop.
They have ZERO respect for the artistic nature of music. They know if they consistently chase trends that their shit has a better chance blow and cash in. That's all it's about. And I completely understand that angle and mentality in a business sense. But I'm talking about HIP HOP - NOT BUSINESS.
So while they're pimpin the game they're also destroying it. But it's not just the artist - it's labels, media, corporations, etc. All of these aspects are what Nas is talking about when he says Hip Hop Is Dead. And he gets MAD PROPS for doing it. Motherfuckers need to be called out. And cats are mad sensitive because they know what Nas is saying and they know they're guilty. They don't want to be exposed because it will fuck up their hustle.
+1
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Tom you can't be serious. So people can hold the entire South responsible for Snap Music, but Hyphy cannot be credited as a West Coast sound? Seems like you might have a guilty conscience now...
The West was putting out Classics, many of which were West Coast classics. Meaning, they are not classic outside of Cali. Lets be real, Chronic, Death Certificate, and Doggystyle are the West's only true Hip Hop Classics from the era when they ran shit. Sure you can argue for Lethal Injection but that's it. Quiks shit. Dogg Pound shit. SCC, E-40 etc. did not put out Hip Hop Classics. So yeah sure, the South hasn't put out a Chronic or Doggystyle while they've been riding on top, but they have put out albums that are considered Classic in their region.
New York has the guilty conscience. They can't believe that they lost their crown again to people they feel are inferior to them. First it was the West, now the South.
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SGV sucks balls
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Oklin, you seem upset. I guess it sucks to realize you're not even the slightest bit Hip Hop.
13 Year Old girls listening to Young Joc are more Hip Hop than you.
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Oklin, you seem upset. I guess it sucks to realize you're not even the slightest bit Hip Hop.
13 Year Old girls listening to Young Joc are more Hip Hop than you.
why would i be upset? this is a internet forum :P
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Tom you can't be serious. So people can hold the entire South responsible for Snap Music, but Hyphy cannot be credited as a West Coast sound? Seems like you might have a guilty conscience now...
The West was putting out Classics, many of which were West Coast classics. Meaning, they are not classic outside of Cali. Lets be real, Chronic, Death Certificate, and Doggystyle are the West's only true Hip Hop Classics from the era when they ran shit. Sure you can argue for Lethal Injection but that's it. Quiks shit. Dogg Pound shit. SCC, E-40 etc. did not put out Hip Hop Classics. So yeah sure, the South hasn't put out a Chronic or Doggystyle while they've been riding on top, but they have put out albums that are considered Classic in their region.
New York has the guilty conscience. They can't believe that they lost their crown again to people they feel are inferior to them. First it was the West, now the South.
Off course the music the South makes is hiphop, you got morocans rapping over here, thats also hiphop. I think it just depends on what hiphop is for you.
Some people want deep lyrics other people may only want catchy beats, some people just want music that they can bump in the club. Its all different types of rap. Thats what happens when a music genre gets comercial. Same with reggae, when reggae was on top everybody was making reggae type songs.
Everybody jumps on the bandwagon, to make fast money. And it also depends on the media, because they decide whats on the tv etc. But eventually the south will get played out just like the west and just like the east.
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I don't think anyone is saying the South will always be on top, what I'm saying is that if you can get at the South for making senseless songs about dances and money, while artists in your own state are doing it, you're being hypocritical. And, at the end of the day, it may be about the Hip Hop you enjoy, but you CANNOT sit there and say the Hip Hop you dislike is NOT Hip Hop. I don't give a fuck if you're Erick Sermon or some random dude online, Hip Hop is Hip Hop, plain and simple.
Erick Sermon's guilty conscience is that he hasn't had a real hit since "Music."
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Tom you can't be serious. So people can hold the entire South responsible for Snap Music, but Hyphy cannot be credited as a West Coast sound? Seems like you might have a guilty conscience now...
ok, for arguments sake I will agree with you that Hyphy is Cali music. I still dont get how thinking hyphy music sucks and being a cali music fan make someone a hypocrit. Am I a hypocrit for loving that old NY sound but not like Ja Rule and G-unit even tho there from NY ? If im not then whats the difference between the other guy ?
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Nas said in an interview that he stole the title "Hip Hop is Dead" from Andre 3000 (a southern rapper). So he isn't hating the south. He just speaking from a perspective that allows him to be more creative with his music.
Rap music has become way more commercial from 10 years ago. With the new wave of fans that has came in, they don't all want the same type of music that was offered back then. You all might think this is crazy, but some people actually listen to music just to snap their fingers and dance :o :o lol. Not everyone is trying to get to get a street education through the music they listen to. Not everyone is like Erick Sermon and uses music to guide them through their life.. But then again, not everyone is getting paid for making music.
I like all music because they serve its purpose. I personally will never play a D4L song in my stereo or in my truck, but if that is what makes girls shake their asses on the dance floor then i'm all for it.
You also have to consider that alot of dance rap music came from the south. Remember Luke and 2 Live Crew?? They were creating these type of songs for a long time... In my opinion, they were the ones who actually cleared the way for the other rappers to say things that the government thought was horrible...
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ok, for arguments sake I will agree with you that Hyphy is Cali music. I still dont get how thinking hyphy music sucks and being a cali music fan make someone a hypocrit. Am I a hypocrit for loving that old NY sound but not like Ja Rule and G-unit even tho there from NY ? If im not then whats the difference between the other guy ?
We're not talking about "loving" a sound. We're talking about people dissing another region while their own region is doing the same. So, if you have a problem with the South talking about Money, why are you not getting at the Bay for it? If you rep Cali, you should not go on talking about the South this, the South that seeing as the Hyphy shit is not much different. THAT is being a hypocrite and you not understanding that makes you slow.
Like I've said time and again, Hip Hop started in the Parks and the Clubs. It wasn't about being metaphorically deep and wise, it was about having a good time. D4L and them are making music that is about having a good time... That's what Hip Hop is based on. It wasn't until artists from NY started seeing their crown slip away back in the 90s that they flipped it. NY, again, has a guilty conscience.
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ok, for arguments sake I will agree with you that Hyphy is Cali music. I still dont get how thinking hyphy music sucks and being a cali music fan make someone a hypocrit. Am I a hypocrit for loving that old NY sound but not like Ja Rule and G-unit even tho there from NY ? If im not then whats the difference between the other guy ?
We're not talking about "loving" a sound. We're talking about people dissing another region while their own region is doing the same. So, if you have a problem with the South talking about Money, why are you not getting at the Bay for it? If you rep Cali, you should not go on talking about the South this, the South that seeing as the Hyphy shit is not much different. THAT is being a hypocrite and you not understanding that makes you slow.
Like I've said time and again, Hip Hop started in the Parks and the Clubs. It wasn't about being metaphorically deep and wise, it was about having a good time. D4L and them are making music that is about having a good time... That's what Hip Hop is based on. It wasn't until artists from NY started seeing their crown slip away back in the 90s that they flipped it. NY, again, has a guilty conscience.
I disagree with everything you say, but opinions are like assholes everyone has them. The only point I agree with is NY also has a guilty conscience. B/C most of NY knows they are just as guilty for the fall off of NY b/c they made wack music.
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Nas said in an interview that he stole the title "Hip Hop is Dead" from Andre 3000 (a southern rapper). So he isn't hating the south. He just speaking from a perspective that allows him to be more creative with his music.
Rap music has become way more commercial from 10 years ago. With the new wave of fans that has came in, they don't all want the same type of music that was offered back then. You all might think this is crazy, but some people actually listen to music just to snap their fingers and dance :o :o lol. Not everyone is trying to get to get a street education through the music they listen to. Not everyone is like Erick Sermon and uses music to guide them through their life.. But then again, not everyone is getting paid for making music.
I like all music because they serve its purpose. I personally will never play a D4L song in my stereo or in my truck, but if that is what makes girls shake their asses on the dance floor then i'm all for it.
You also have to consider that alot of dance rap music came from the south. Remember Luke and 2 Live Crew?? They were creating these type of songs for a long time... In my opinion, they were the ones who actually cleared the way for the other rappers to say things that the government thought was horrible...
Good post. And great point about Nas taking the idea from Andre 3000. Also, Killer Mike did a song on his debut album called "Rap is Dead". Another southerner saying it's dead. This is clearly mountains of evidence that shreds any theory that Nas is dissing the south, yet you still get these drama queens swearing thats whats going on.
All these people saying he's dissing the south are REACHING. Trying to find anything to make it seem to be the case even when there's endless evidence to the contrary.
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No, actually you did ignore that shit. You said the south has had shit locked since 97, yet there were numerous other albums selling like a motherfucker from other regions - don't forget about Nelly either. Wasn't his shit pushing diamond? Nas and Jay both released critically and commercially successful albums in late 01. South may have been droppin significant albums as well, but so was everybody else. So it sounds great for your arguement, but it's not accurate to say the south only has been runnin shit for 10 years, lol.
That doesn't matter. Of course there were lots of popular albums in other regions...there still are today (Eminem, Nelly, 50, etc. are all proof of that). But that's not the point. The point is that by about 2000 (MAYBE 97 is a little early, but it's damn close), there were MORE chart-topping rappers in the South than anywhere else...the entire No Limit and Cash Money rosters, Luda, 'Kast, Goodie Mob, UGK, Three-6, etc. So yeah, the South DID have shit on lock by around that time. That is no "fad", and that's the point I'm trying to make. I was mostly reacting to Tommy's statement that the South having shit on lock was only since about '05.
Oh, yeah, and go fuck yourself. Still butthurt for all the times I done owned you, huh, mayne?
Like I've said time and again, Hip Hop started in the Parks and the Clubs. It wasn't about being metaphorically deep and wise, it was about having a good time. D4L and them are making music that is about having a good time... That's what Hip Hop is based on. It wasn't until artists from NY started seeing their crown slip away back in the 90s that they flipped it. NY, again, has a guilty conscience.
This I agree with completely. They should know that they were as much about that club shit as anyone else during the "Golden Age". NYC cats today are always pointing to PE, Tribe, De La, etc. as proof that the East Coast was better back then. The fact is, back when those cats were first coming out, most people on the East Coast were listening to LL Cool J and Heavy D and not giving a fuck about any "conscious" or political shit.
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No, actually you did ignore that shit. You said the south has had shit locked since 97, yet there were numerous other albums selling like a motherfucker from other regions - don't forget about Nelly either. Wasn't his shit pushing diamond? Nas and Jay both released critically and commercially successful albums in late 01. South may have been droppin significant albums as well, but so was everybody else. So it sounds great for your arguement, but it's not accurate to say the south only has been runnin shit for 10 years, lol.
That doesn't matter. Of course there were lots of popular albums in other regions...there still are today (Eminem, Nelly, 50, etc. are all proof of that). But that's not the point. The point is that by about 2000 (MAYBE 97 is a little early, but it's damn close), there were MORE chart-topping rappers in the South than anywhere else...the entire No Limit and Cash Money rosters, Luda, 'Kast, Goodie Mob, UGK, Three-6, etc. So yeah, the South DID have shit on lock by around that time. That is no "fad", and that's the point I'm trying to make. I was mostly reacting to Tommy's statement that the South having shit on lock was only since about '05.
Oh, yeah, and go fuck yourself. Still butthurt for all the times I done owned you, huh, mayne?
and during that time period the east & west had just as many chart topping albums and singles. So your your whole argument that south has had shit on lock since 97 is shot to hell. Now if you want to make the argument that south is not a fad like hyphy music and they are a major player in hip hop then you are 100 %. And you lost you whole argument by telling jrome to go fuck himself b/c he threw more facts out there.
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and during that time period the east & west had just as many chart topping albums and singles. So your your whole argument that south has had shit on lock since 97 is shot to hell. Now if you want to make the argument that south is not a fad like hyphy music and they are a major player in hip hop then you are 100 %. And you lost you whole argument by telling jrome to go fuck himself b/c he threw more facts out there.
The West did? Outside of Dre and Snoop, the West had long since fallen off by that time.
The East Coast, I can sort of agree with, since Bad Boy and (later) Def Jam were putting out lots of Platinum-selling rappers. But by 99, it was obvious Diddy was falling off after his and Mase's 2nd albums both came out and sold poorly. Def Jam had Jay-Z, DMX, and Ja Rule, but by 2000, even they were realizing that the South was the new direction. That's why Scarface was chosen to run Def Jam South, and then he in turn went out and found Ludacris and signed him to Def Jam. If he hadn't done that, there's actually a chance Def Jam as a label would have lost a lot of its commercial power.
Jrome is just a lil nerd who's upset that I've owned him before. I don't give a fuck what he has to say.
So yeah sure, the South hasn't put out a Chronic or Doggystyle while they've been riding on top, but they have put out albums that are considered Classic in their region.
Not necesarily true...most of Outkast's and probably Goodie Mob's "Soul Food" have classic status outside of the South. Same for at least a couple of Geto Boyz albums.
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New York has the guilty conscience. They can't believe that they lost their crown again to people they feel are inferior to them. First it was the West, now the South.
How does that translate into a guilty consience? Jealousy, yes, but I don't think they have a guilty consience.
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No, actually you did ignore that shit. You said the south has had shit locked since 97, yet there were numerous other albums selling like a motherfucker from other regions - don't forget about Nelly either. Wasn't his shit pushing diamond? Nas and Jay both released critically and commercially successful albums in late 01. South may have been droppin significant albums as well, but so was everybody else. So it sounds great for your arguement, but it's not accurate to say the south only has been runnin shit for 10 years, lol.
That doesn't matter. Of course there were lots of popular albums in other regions...there still are today (Eminem, Nelly, 50, etc. are all proof of that). But that's not the point. The point is that by about 2000 (MAYBE 97 is a little early, but it's damn close), there were MORE chart-topping rappers in the South than anywhere else...the entire No Limit and Cash Money rosters, Luda, 'Kast, Goodie Mob, UGK, Three-6, etc. So yeah, the South DID have shit on lock by around that time. That is no "fad", and that's the point I'm trying to make. I was mostly reacting to Tommy's statement that the South having shit on lock was only since about '05.
Oh, yeah, and go fuck yourself. Still butthurt for all the times I done owned you, huh, mayne?
LMAO. Go fuck yourself? Look in the mirror when you ask who's butthurt homeboy...
OK, so 97 is damn close to 2000? Not in the barely 30 year old Hip Hop universe. That's a significant time frame. So no, it doesn't work. And No Limit wasn't running shit in 2000 - you're stuck in 97/98. Beats By The Pound had left by that point and their last mainstream hit was "Wobble Wobble" which didn't even have Mystikal in the vid because he had already left. That was their last breathe - LOL, they weren't running shit at that point. Luda and Kast were chart toppers, but Goodie Mob, UGK, and 3-6 were running shit? Based on what? I guess I must have missed that...
The current incarnation of the South which is crunk/snap/trap whatever the fuck you wanna call it wasn't running the game till 03. Sure there were crunk records that had some success prior, but like it or not that sound wasn't dominating the musical lanscape till Lil Jon blew it up then.
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Jrome is just a lil nerd who's upset that I've owned him before. I don't give a fuck what he has to say.
Look at you shuckin and jivin. You sure are trying hard to convince people that you've "owned me" seeing as how you mention it in post after post. It's pretty apparent that you're more trying to convince yourself. Plus you deviate from the arguement and sling personal insults. Don't you know that's the first sign you took an L in an arguement brotha?
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Nas said in an interview that he stole the title "Hip Hop is Dead" from Andre 3000 (a southern rapper). So he isn't hating the south. He just speaking from a perspective that allows him to be more creative with his music.
Rap music has become way more commercial from 10 years ago. With the new wave of fans that has came in, they don't all want the same type of music that was offered back then. You all might think this is crazy, but some people actually listen to music just to snap their fingers and dance :o :o lol. Not everyone is trying to get to get a street education through the music they listen to. Not everyone is like Erick Sermon and uses music to guide them through their life.. But then again, not everyone is getting paid for making music.
I like all music because they serve its purpose. I personally will never play a D4L song in my stereo or in my truck, but if that is what makes girls shake their asses on the dance floor then i'm all for it.
You also have to consider that alot of dance rap music came from the south. Remember Luke and 2 Live Crew?? They were creating these type of songs for a long time... In my opinion, they were the ones who actually cleared the way for the other rappers to say things that the government thought was horrible...
Very well said.
Were blaming all these rappers, but isnt it more about the fans? Dont you think these rappers making songs that most people want to hear? Hiphop has gone global, everyone listens to hiphop these days. Dont matter what age, race or religion. And most of these people just want, easy to listen to songs. They dont care about lyrics or flow, they just want music that they can get easily into.
So what im saying is, these rappers are just giving the fans what they want. If everyone all of the sudden would stop buying this commercial hip[hop, that would force these rappers to come up with something better. But until then they just keep making those type of songs, because their selling.
So its on the people who listen to hiphop, to change it.
But hey if youre fed up with hiphop, just listen to other genres. Theres a ton of other dope music out there.
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Like I've said time and again, Hip Hop started in the Parks and the Clubs. It wasn't about being metaphorically deep and wise, it was about having a good time. D4L and them are making music that is about having a good time... That's what Hip Hop is based on. It wasn't until artists from NY started seeing their crown slip away back in the 90s that they flipped it. NY, again, has a guilty conscience.
But i got a question for SGV. Do you think this is hiphop?
It isnt deep, and its about having a good time. Just easy to listen to music.
http://www.youtube.com/v/3g-U9ZwlmXk
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How anyone can proclaim music like Cali is Active as classic and then turn around and shit on the whole South is beyond me. I don't get some of yall.
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How anyone can proclaim music like Cali is Active as classic and then turn around and shit on the whole South is beyond me. I don't get some of yall.
Hell yeah!! Least somebody said it.
In General, if the west coast raps about being 'gangsta' and smoking weed how can the south be wack if all they are talkin' about is dancing and clubbin'.
I'm not a big fan of either of that kind of music but as much as the south is wack so is the west. No, not in all aspects cuz yeah the west had Pac and the south has Face but when niggas is sayin' how wack the south is for puttin' out 'dancin' records, how about the west when they be puttin' out gang bangin' tracks. Ya get what I'm sayin'?
It's all preference to me.
In every genre/coast of hip hop music there's gonna be wack records and wack artists. So, everybody doesn't perfer commercial hip hop, so it's dead? Prolly. In my honest opinion, I don't believe hip hop is dead, it's alive and wealthy, but the art of the hip hop culture is long gone and has been for years.
Hip Hop used to be associated with DJ's, Turntables, Emcees, Mics, Graffiti, Beats, Break Dancing, Street Corners. If you wanna get technical you could even blame the west coast for killing hip hop. I don't remember the west having any of those in their music, right? Right. But that being gangsta attitude struck off and got lots of people interested. Now the south is doing the same thing. They are coming out strong.
I'm a east coast fan to the fullest. They stared hip hop. They made it and created it. When the west came out hittin' hard, they got jealous. The other side of the county stared to make noise and they thought they were gonna lose everything which created the east verse west coast beef. Again, the south is doing what the west did. East is feeling tension again. And for the first time so is the west. Nas came out and made the comments, south got a little defensive. They are blowing up big and you got two different coasts already in the majors, so they might feel a little ganged up on.
I'll repeat, it's all about preference.
And that's how I take it and that's how I admittedly feel.
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Look at you shuckin and jivin. You sure are trying hard to convince people that you've "owned me" seeing as how you mention it in post after post. It's pretty apparent that you're more trying to convince yourself. Plus you deviate from the arguement and sling personal insults. Don't you know that's the first sign you took an L in an arguement brotha?
Bullshit. The fact you even came at me with that smart-ass house negro tone like you did is cause you're still upset. You know it and I know it.
As far as "running" shit goes, there were lots of East Coast rappers selling well even from '92 to '96, when the West was considered "on top". There are still lots of East Coast artists on top now, and the sound that's most frequently heard on the radios is Kanye's sped-up soul sampling shit. Does that mean the East Coast is running shit? Hell no. And No Limit was losing some steam by 2000, but the fact is, Master P, C-Murder, Mystikal, etc. still put out Platinum-selling albums back then. But Cash Money was also doing well, so was 'Kast and Luda. You know how I remember it most distinctly? Lots of hip-hop publications and sites were talkin bout how 2000 was "the South's year". Shit, even back in '98, there were people saying it was the year of No Limit. So trust me, back in those days, there was a definite perception of Southern power. It wasn't as obvious as it is today, but it was definitely there.
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Look at you shuckin and jivin. You sure are trying hard to convince people that you've "owned me" seeing as how you mention it in post after post. It's pretty apparent that you're more trying to convince yourself. Plus you deviate from the arguement and sling personal insults. Don't you know that's the first sign you took an L in an arguement brotha?
Bullshit. The fact you even came at me with that smart-ass house negro tone like you did is cause you're still upset. You know it and I know it.
Speak as matter-of-factly as you want, you don't fool anybody. Fact is, you got mad emotional cuz you made a stupid statement and got proven wrong. Your only defenses are insults and name calling. That right there concedes the arguement. So campaign your "owning" all you want, but you look like a clown. It's like I said - you're more trying to convince yourself than anyone else.
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But i got a question for SGV. Do you think this is hiphop?
It isnt deep, and its about having a good time. Just easy to listen to music.
http://www.youtube.com/v/3g-U9ZwlmXk
You can see an influence from Afrika Baambataa and that era of Hip Hop in that song. Would I say it's Hip Hop? Not really. It's more of that Dance Music.
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Look at you shuckin and jivin. You sure are trying hard to convince people that you've "owned me" seeing as how you mention it in post after post. It's pretty apparent that you're more trying to convince yourself. Plus you deviate from the arguement and sling personal insults. Don't you know that's the first sign you took an L in an arguement brotha?
Bullshit. The fact you even came at me with that smart-ass house negro tone like you did is cause you're still upset. You know it and I know it.
Speak as matter-of-factly as you want, you don't fool anybody. Fact is, you got mad emotional cuz you made a stupid statement and got proven wrong. Your only defenses are insults and name calling. That right there concedes the arguement. So campaign your "owning" all you want, but you look like a clown. It's like I said - you're more trying to convince yourself than anyone else.
NOW look who's ignoring shit.
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I cant stand most of the south cuz their on this stripper or hustler type of music...the south is so ignorant and in a bubble they dont ever try to expand or try have a balance musically. Sure the west has all the gang bangin shit but also have acts like tha pharcyde,tha liks,Souls Of Mischief,etc and even our biggest act ever had the best balance 2pac he would have a record about beatin the shit outta biggie and than he'll have a song about brenda's baby....not too many rappers in the south or general can do that. The east also is like west they got the ballers and players stuff but still had acts like gangstarr,pete rock & cl smooth,az,the roots,etc and once again there biggest selling artist biggie had a good balance much like pac. Now the south I can name maybe 5-10 artist that are diverse or different from the current mainstream ppl like outkast,scarface..........maybe some others but i cant really think of them...but the point is as far as rap goes and in mainstream level most of the south is fuckin it up
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LMAO! Pastor Troy, Trick Daddy, David Banner, Little Brother, Scarface, Goodie Mob, Outkast, Ludacris, Garcia, Bubba Sparxxx, Celph Titled, Nappy Roots, Strange Fruit Project, Khamikaze, I can go on. These are just a few names of Southern Artists who are diferent.
That was a very ignorant statement.
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LMAO! Pastor Troy, Trick Daddy, David Banner, Little Brother, Scarface, Goodie Mob, Outkast, Ludacris, Garcia, Bubba Sparxxx, Celph Titled, Nappy Roots, Strange Fruit Project, Khamikaze, I can go on. These are just a few names of Southern Artists who are diferent.
That was a very ignorant statement.
I was sayin mainstream or was mainstream at one point...most of the artists u dropped are on a lot same ol hustler or stripper subjects
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But they also have different subject matter.
Look at The West. We used to be able to say Planet Asia, Krondon, Defari, Phil Da Agony, Xzibit, Self Scientific etc were different but now they all rap about the same ol shit. As far as Mainstream, the West has only seen Pharcyde and Souls. But they didn't really stick. LMAO @ Using Pac as an example but saying "those artists you named are still on some Hustler shit." Much like Pac, artists like Trick Daddy and David Banner have a mix of street and socially concious records. Don't try to divide them up for your cause.
West Coast mainstream has been and always will be a bunch of gangsta shit. The biggest records for the past 10 years have been Snoop, Cube, Dre, Kurupt, Daz, Game, Xzibit, Eastsidaz, Westside Connection, E 40, Too Short and that's really it.
So all that bullshit you're kicking is ignorant.
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I think I'll use a Tupac quote:
"It's not about east or west, its about niggaz and bitches, power and money, riders and punks. Which side are you on"
I think you can apply it to what is going on here. There's quality artists coming from EVERY region. There's also some "artists" (and use that term loosely) that really put out some extreme bullshit from every region. The latter group are the ones being called out. There's cats out that are STRICTLY in it for the hustle - smart ass dudes that see that if they go about it a certain way they can get paid. But these same hustlers are whoring Hip Hop.
They have ZERO respect for the artistic nature of music. They know if they consistently chase trends that their shit has a better chance blow and cash in. That's all it's about. And I completely understand that angle and mentality in a business sense. But I'm talking about HIP HOP - NOT BUSINESS.
So while they're pimpin the game they're also destroying it. But it's not just the artist - it's labels, media, corporations, etc. All of these aspects are what Nas is talking about when he says Hip Hop Is Dead. And he gets MAD PROPS for doing it. Motherfuckers need to be called out. And cats are mad sensitive because they know what Nas is saying and they know they're guilty. They don't want to be exposed because it will fuck up their hustle.
couldn't say it better
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all i got to say is this
hip hop is in it's 'hair metal' 'disco' phase sooner or later the industry will see a counter genre much like punk was to disco and grunge was to hair metal, then something else will spawn and we'll all be considered old fuddy duddy's for liking hip hop
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this is TRUE shit.
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wow SGV really needs this forum to sound smart cause no one else in the real world gives a fuck, its ok thought SGV i think you are smart =]
Man speaking of people and their moments, remember how much the radio's sucked when G-unit owned them? i live in florida, i never heard crunk, just g-unit g-unit g-unit, mariah carey, then back to g-unit. ahhhh
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Theres no need for me to use dubcc to be smart, theres always an idiot like you who makes me look like Einstein. Thanks dumbass.
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long live hiphop!... fuck (most of) the south! :)
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I don't think that it's that the south has a "guilty conscious" - I think it's the fact that hip-hop heads (esp. New Yorkers, keeping it real) have hated on the south for years now, saying that they're not lyrical. So that now that a New York rapper says that Hip-Hip Is Dead, they think that it's just another person saying the same thing. I don't think that's what Nas was referring to, but they have plenty of reason to believe that. NY hip-hop fans are stuck up as hell (and that's no disrespect, cuz I love NY better than anywhere else, whether it be the actual area or the music from there), and they never give any other coast a chance, whether it's the south, west or midwest.
Sad thing is, south rap really can be lyrical, and people won't give it respect. Take Project Pat for example. His new album "Crook By Da Book: The Fed Story" is dope as hell, cuz it really exemplifies what southern rap is. East rap is primarily characterized by punchlines and wit, while southern rap is based on how much it depicts the culture of the south, and Pat does that perfectly. Pat's talking about broads, making bread, and surviving in the hood by working hard; that's what's really going on in the south, so that's what he raps about, and he does it well. South isn't any better than east coast rap; they're just different, like apples and oranges.
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I don't think that it's that the south has a "guilty conscious" - I think it's the fact that hip-hop heads (esp. New Yorkers, keeping it real) have hated on the south for years now, saying that they're not lyrical. So that now that a New York rapper says that Hip-Hip Is Dead, they think that it's just another person saying the same thing. I don't think that's what Nas was referring to, but they have plenty of reason to believe that. NY hip-hop fans are stuck up as hell (and that's no disrespect, cuz I love NY better than anywhere else, whether it be the actual area or the music from there), and they never give any other coast a chance, whether it's the south, west or midwest.
Sad thing is, south rap really can be lyrical, and people won't give it respect. Take Project Pat for example. His new album "Crook By Da Book: The Fed Story" is dope as hell, cuz it really exemplifies what southern rap is. East rap is primarily characterized by punchlines and wit, while southern rap is based on how much it depicts the culture of the south, and Pat does that perfectly. Pat's talking about broads, making bread, and surviving in the hood by working hard; that's what's really going on in the south, so that's what he raps about, and he does it well. South isn't any better than east coast rap; they're just different, like apples and oranges.
You summed it up perfectly right there.