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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: The Kryptonian on December 15, 2006, 09:47:48 AM
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that's right.
So whose on your list? Here's Mine.
Rick Rude
Curt Henning
Ricky Steamboat
Roddy Piper
British Bulldog
Farooq (had great heat when he first formed the Nation.)
thats not everyone but its a sample whose on yours?
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definetly Roddy Piper
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definetly Roddy Piper
you know thats what I have thinking for a while now. I mean, not even Ric Flair could HEEL like Piper. In the 80's Piper would just talk SHIT to people and back it up. He paved the way for the modern Heel.
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Yeah its a good example of how the WWE is today. Back then as popular and talented as Roddy Piper was he was never a world champ. Now they give the title to John Cena whos mic skills outshine his wrestling talent which he doesn't have much of anyway. And Edge who should only be a pre-main event class wrestler.
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British Bulldog
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not Curt Henig as in NWO, but Mr. Perfect For sure should have been champ, he's the most worthy that i can think of..
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not Curt Henig as in NWO, but Mr. Perfect For sure should have been champ, he's the most worthy that i can think of..
Dude he was SOOO damn entertaining when I was a kid in the 80's. Even my Pops loved him. He could wrestle and do some cold stuff to people.
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Yeah its a good example of how the WWE is today. Back then as popular and talented as Roddy Piper was he was never a world champ. Now they give the title to John Cena whos mic skills outshine his wrestling talent which he doesn't have much of anyway. And Edge who should only be a pre-main event class wrestler.
So damn TRUE. So damn trrue.
Carlito is being told to be more like the Rock. thats why he looks so crappy physically now. He is losing his heart for it cause idiots are booking shows now.
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British Bulldog
I ALWAYS thought that He should have been allowed to BEAT HBK for the title during their fued. he was so much more than muscle and he was a good heel at the time.
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Owen Hart
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Owen Hart
when Bret Left they had a golden oppertunity.
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Owen Hart
exactly who I was gona pick, nice work Dizzle ;D
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Sting
Owen Hart
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jeff hardy...just cause i liked watching him...
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Sting
Owen Hart
yea, But I'm glad Sting never joined the WWF. God only knows what Suck ASS storyline that would have given him.
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jeff hardy...just cause i liked watching him...
you know ...right after he beat HHH for the Intercont Title that was the moment that time for him to get that Push. But they only believe in guys of a certain height and size for Champs. in the exception of rey mysterio
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Sting
Owen Hart
yea, But I'm glad Sting never joined the WWF. God only knows what Suck ASS storyline that would have given him.
Yeah i'm glad he never went to WWE too.
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British Bulldog
I ALWAYS thought that He should have been allowed to BEAT HBK for the title during their fued. he was so much more than muscle and he was a good heel at the time.
yeah but HBK (Along with Taker and Hart) was the TOP DRAW at the time, so it would have been stupid buisness wise to have him lose...
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British Bulldog
I ALWAYS thought that He should have been allowed to BEAT HBK for the title during their fued. he was so much more than muscle and he was a good heel at the time.
yeah but HBK (Along with Taker and Hart) was the TOP DRAW at the time, so it would have been stupid buisness wise to have him lose...
I know. But Davey coulda done some damage with some Push in the end. just my humle opinion.
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British Bulldog
I ALWAYS thought that He should have been allowed to BEAT HBK for the title during their fued. he was so much more than muscle and he was a good heel at the time.
yeah but HBK (Along with Taker and Hart) was the TOP DRAW at the time, so it would have been stupid buisness wise to have him lose...
I know. But Davey coulda done some damage with some Push in the end. just my humle opinion.
I liked him better as a face
The biggest win he had was vs Hart at SS 92
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lex luther
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lex luther
lex luger u mean?
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o shyt
lol i said luther i meant luger my bad
that horse lookin like nigga
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lol @ lugar... one of the worst of all time. These 3 guys right here are the greatest never to be champ... Mr. Perfect, Rick Rude, and Owen Hart. In the early 90's the WWF was going to put the strap on Mr. Perfect but Hogan was against it and used his power to squash that idea.
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wtf happened to macho man?
or did he win a championship
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^^^ yes he won the championship 2wice
lex luger was the masterpiecechris masters of his time....
for me though its:
andre the giant
razor ramon
owen hart
mr. perfect
rick rude
roddy piper
british bulldog
sting
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Andre was champ, for all of 10 seconds, but he was offically the champion, and a well deserving one. He should have had a longer reign, I would have him beat Hogan, defend the title, then a controversal lose to Hogan, and then WM4, but then again, it's easy to say that 20 years later
A simple list
Roddy Piper (just never won the title because he retired at the peak of Hulkamania and his fame, I bet he would have had he stayed)
Jimmy Snuka (pre-Hulkamania, his popularity was crazy, but he was a suspect in the murder of his wife, and that killed his push, and he put over the man I mentioned above)
Ted DiBiase (was supose to win in WM4, to later put over Hogan, but they went in favor of Savage because of an old favor to him from an IC title situation)
Mr. Perfect (as said before, was supose to get his title run, but Hogan squashed that idea)
Razor Ramon (great injustice to give Nash/Diesel the title, but not Hall, maybe McMahon was afraid of his alcoholism)
The rest were not world title material. Just because some people have had the title that didn't deserve it *cough*Nash,JBL*cough* doesn't mean others should have got the belt.
Davey Boy was a great IC champ, and great wrestler, but lacked that one thing that made him a believable champ. Even though Bret was smaller, you believed Bret was the greatest mat wrestler ever. Davey just didn't the drawing power.
Owen Hart was not ready at the time of his death. He might have been some day, but sadly, we'll never know :'(
Luger sucked donkey dick. McMahon was ready to put the title on him, and decided wisely against it. I remember being 12 rooting against a face for the first time in my life. I hated Lugar.
Rude was World champ in WCW, which I think fit him better, like Sting. He wouldn't have fit WWF champion at that time. Maybe later during the Hart/Michaels era when good wrestlers actually won the belt.
Steamboat, same as Rude. Steamboat was a perfect NWA champion, and his wars with Flair are legendary. A WWF title run would have made Steamboat stay in WWF. It was better for his career to never win the WWF title.
The future (who should hold the title)
Randy Orton already had his Kane run, no more reigns for him
Carlito needs a heel turn badly. Put him with Estrada, and watch Carlito become super heel World champion
Shelton as soon as he can gain mic skills. Give him an slimball agent like TO's agent
Lashley because the future's in good hands
Nitro can be a great heel champion someday
CM Punk should get his RVD run of a couple of weeks for the years of hard work
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Easily Ted DiBiase.
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lol @ lugar... one of the worst of all time. These 3 guys right here are the greatest never to be champ... Mr. Perfect, Rick Rude, and Owen Hart. In the early 90's the WWF was going to put the strap on Mr. Perfect but Hogan was against it and used his power to squash that idea.
im surprised that Hogan even Jobbed to Warrior at WM 6, never thought hed let himself lose at WM especially the Title.
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Andre was champ, for all of 10 seconds, but he was offically the champion, and a well deserving one. He should have had a longer reign, I would have him beat Hogan, defend the title, then a controversal lose to Hogan, and then WM4, but then again, it's easy to say that 20 years later
A simple list
Roddy Piper (just never won the title because he retired at the peak of Hulkamania and his fame, I bet he would have had he stayed)
Jimmy Snuka (pre-Hulkamania, his popularity was crazy, but he was a suspect in the murder of his wife, and that killed his push, and he put over the man I mentioned above)
Ted DiBiase (was supose to win in WM4, to later put over Hogan, but they went in favor of Savage because of an old favor to him from an IC title situation)
Mr. Perfect (as said before, was supose to get his title run, but Hogan squashed that idea)
Razor Ramon (great injustice to give Nash/Diesel the title, but not Hall, maybe McMahon was afraid of his alcoholism)
The rest were not world title material. Just because some people have had the title that didn't deserve it *cough*Nash,JBL*cough* doesn't mean others should have got the belt.
Davey Boy was a great IC champ, and great wrestler, but lacked that one thing that made him a believable champ. Even though Bret was smaller, you believed Bret was the greatest mat wrestler ever. Davey just didn't the drawing power.
Owen Hart was not ready at the time of his death. He might have been some day, but sadly, we'll never know :'(
Luger sucked donkey dick. McMahon was ready to put the title on him, and decided wisely against it. I remember being 12 rooting against a face for the first time in my life. I hated Lugar.
Rude was World champ in WCW, which I think fit him better, like Sting. He wouldn't have fit WWF champion at that time. Maybe later during the Hart/Michaels era when good wrestlers actually won the belt.
Steamboat, same as Rude. Steamboat was a perfect NWA champion, and his wars with Flair are legendary. A WWF title run would have made Steamboat stay in WWF. It was better for his career to never win the WWF title.
The future (who should hold the title)
Randy Orton already had his Kane run, no more reigns for him
Carlito needs a heel turn badly. Put him with Estrada, and watch Carlito become super heel World champion
Shelton as soon as he can gain mic skills. Give him an slimball agent like TO's agent
Lashley because the future's in good hands
Nitro can be a great heel champion someday
CM Punk should get his RVD run of a couple of weeks for the years of hard work
Good shit +1
and RVD should get a better push! But he lacks the mic skills so it will never happen..
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Andre was champ, for all of 10 seconds, but he was offically the champion, and a well deserving one. He should have had a longer reign, I would have him beat Hogan, defend the title, then a controversal lose to Hogan, and then WM4, but then again, it's easy to say that 20 years later
A simple list
Roddy Piper (just never won the title because he retired at the peak of Hulkamania and his fame, I bet he would have had he stayed)
Jimmy Snuka (pre-Hulkamania, his popularity was crazy, but he was a suspect in the murder of his wife, and that killed his push, and he put over the man I mentioned above)
Ted DiBiase (was supose to win in WM4, to later put over Hogan, but they went in favor of Savage because of an old favor to him from an IC title situation)
Mr. Perfect (as said before, was supose to get his title run, but Hogan squashed that idea)
Razor Ramon (great injustice to give Nash/Diesel the title, but not Hall, maybe McMahon was afraid of his alcoholism)
The rest were not world title material. Just because some people have had the title that didn't deserve it *cough*Nash,JBL*cough* doesn't mean others should have got the belt.
Davey Boy was a great IC champ, and great wrestler, but lacked that one thing that made him a believable champ. Even though Bret was smaller, you believed Bret was the greatest mat wrestler ever. Davey just didn't the drawing power.
Owen Hart was not ready at the time of his death. He might have been some day, but sadly, we'll never know :'(
Luger sucked donkey dick. McMahon was ready to put the title on him, and decided wisely against it. I remember being 12 rooting against a face for the first time in my life. I hated Lugar.
Rude was World champ in WCW, which I think fit him better, like Sting. He wouldn't have fit WWF champion at that time. Maybe later during the Hart/Michaels era when good wrestlers actually won the belt.
Steamboat, same as Rude. Steamboat was a perfect NWA champion, and his wars with Flair are legendary. A WWF title run would have made Steamboat stay in WWF. It was better for his career to never win the WWF title.
The future (who should hold the title)
Randy Orton already had his Kane run, no more reigns for him
Carlito needs a heel turn badly. Put him with Estrada, and watch Carlito become super heel World champion
Shelton as soon as he can gain mic skills. Give him an slimball agent like TO's agent
Lashley because the future's in good hands
Nitro can be a great heel champion someday
CM Punk should get his RVD run of a couple of weeks for the years of hard work
Good shit +1
and RVD should get a better push! But he lacks the mic skills so it will never happen..
RVD's mic skills >>>>benjamin's mic skillz
i dont even count that as a title run for andre, dude shoulda gotten a real title run....thats y i put him on the list...i was actually real surprised when i found out andre never had a legit world title run...
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lol @ lugar... one of the worst of all time. These 3 guys right here are the greatest never to be champ... Mr. Perfect, Rick Rude, and Owen Hart. In the early 90's the WWF was going to put the strap on Mr. Perfect but Hogan was against it and used his power to squash that idea.
I agree with your list.
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Yeah Tommys 3 are on point. LOL at Luger, he was god awful
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I hate that fucking crackhead Lex Luger.
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lol @ lugar... one of the worst of all time. These 3 guys right here are the greatest never to be champ... Mr. Perfect, Rick Rude, and Owen Hart. In the early 90's the WWF was going to put the strap on Mr. Perfect but Hogan was against it and used his power to squash that idea.
im surprised that Hogan even Jobbed to Warrior at WM 6, never thought hed let himself lose at WM especially the Title.
Hogan did the job to the warrior at WM6 b/c he was going to retire and it was one of the few instances in his career he did the right thing. But as we all know that didnt last for long lol.
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rowwwwdy roddy piper
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RVD won't be champ again. He's on his way out.
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RVD and Sabu will both try and jump to TNA when their contracts are up with WWE
i wonder how they'll be used there if they get signed
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lol @ lugar... one of the worst of all time. These 3 guys right here are the greatest never to be champ... Mr. Perfect, Rick Rude, and Owen Hart. In the early 90's the WWF was going to put the strap on Mr. Perfect but Hogan was against it and used his power to squash that idea.
you know i think that i can remember him getting a mosnter push and then NOTHING...
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Andre was champ, for all of 10 seconds, but he was offically the champion, and a well deserving one. He should have had a longer reign, I would have him beat Hogan, defend the title, then a controversal lose to Hogan, and then WM4, but then again, it's easy to say that 20 years later
A simple list
Roddy Piper (just never won the title because he retired at the peak of Hulkamania and his fame, I bet he would have had he stayed)
Jimmy Snuka (pre-Hulkamania, his popularity was crazy, but he was a suspect in the murder of his wife, and that killed his push, and he put over the man I mentioned above)
Ted DiBiase (was supose to win in WM4, to later put over Hogan, but they went in favor of Savage because of an old favor to him from an IC title situation)
Mr. Perfect (as said before, was supose to get his title run, but Hogan squashed that idea)
Razor Ramon (great injustice to give Nash/Diesel the title, but not Hall, maybe McMahon was afraid of his alcoholism)
The rest were not world title material. Just because some people have had the title that didn't deserve it *cough*Nash,JBL*cough* doesn't mean others should have got the belt.
Davey Boy was a great IC champ, and great wrestler, but lacked that one thing that made him a believable champ. Even though Bret was smaller, you believed Bret was the greatest mat wrestler ever. Davey just didn't the drawing power.
Owen Hart was not ready at the time of his death. He might have been some day, but sadly, we'll never know :'(
Luger sucked donkey dick. McMahon was ready to put the title on him, and decided wisely against it. I remember being 12 rooting against a face for the first time in my life. I hated Lugar.
Rude was World champ in WCW, which I think fit him better, like Sting. He wouldn't have fit WWF champion at that time. Maybe later during the Hart/Michaels era when good wrestlers actually won the belt.
Steamboat, same as Rude. Steamboat was a perfect NWA champion, and his wars with Flair are legendary. A WWF title run would have made Steamboat stay in WWF. It was better for his career to never win the WWF title.
The future (who should hold the title)
Randy Orton already had his Kane run, no more reigns for him
Carlito needs a heel turn badly. Put him with Estrada, and watch Carlito become super heel World champion
Shelton as soon as he can gain mic skills. Give him an slimball agent like TO's agent
Lashley because the future's in good hands
Nitro can be a great heel champion someday
CM Punk should get his RVD run of a couple of weeks for the years of hard work
Well Fuckin put homey...well put.
CM Punk is the SHIT. He and Samoa Joe put on Classics in ROH
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Easily Ted DiBiase.
He WAS the shit man. i am mad that i forgot him. DAMN. "Money, money, money" man that was the shit. him and Virgil, LOL
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RVD won't be champ again. He's on his way out.
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straight to TNA prolly with Pauly.
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Huge Battle Royal Monday night on RAW with the winner Facing Cena for the title later that night! 3 HR SPECIAL!
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Huge Battle Royal Monday night on RAW with the winner Facing Cena for the title later that night! 3 HR SPECIAL!
saw it. Orton shoulda won that.
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Huge Battle Royal Monday night on RAW with the winner Facing Cena for the title later that night! 3 HR SPECIAL!
saw it. Orton shoulda won that.
No, HBK should have
DX got handled BAD at the end of the night, and what about Joey Mercury's eye from Armageddon, wow he looked like he had a UFC battle
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Huge Battle Royal Monday night on RAW with the winner Facing Cena for the title later that night! 3 HR SPECIAL!
saw it. Orton shoulda won that.
No, HBK should have
DX got handled BAD at the end of the night, and what about Joey Mercury's eye from Armageddon, wow he looked like he had a UFC battle
that might have set up something tight for WM this year. HBK vs Cena. With HBK in the a Heel role. In my opinon thats what he should be now anyway.
Yea Mercury earned his Stripes at the PPV Big time. They should give him some shine to see what he can do with it.
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Yeah its a good example of how the WWE is today. Back then as popular and talented as Roddy Piper was he was never a world champ. Now they give the title to John Cena whos mic skills outshine his wrestling talent which he doesn't have much of anyway. And Edge who should only be a pre-main event class wrestler.
So damn TRUE. So damn trrue.
Carlito is being told to be more like the Rock. thats why he looks so crappy physically now. He is losing his heart for it cause idiots are booking shows now.
Well now the championship dosent get passed as much but its def whore around more then before i mean how guys like Brock Lesnar and Bobby Lashley are world champions is beyond me. Cena ok he was selling a lot and so on but common.
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Yeah its a good example of how the WWE is today. Back then as popular and talented as Roddy Piper was he was never a world champ. Now they give the title to John Cena whos mic skills outshine his wrestling talent which he doesn't have much of anyway. And Edge who should only be a pre-main event class wrestler.
So damn TRUE. So damn trrue.
Carlito is being told to be more like the Rock. thats why he looks so crappy physically now. He is losing his heart for it cause idiots are booking shows now.
Well now the championship dosent get passed as much but its def whore around more then before i mean how guys like Brock Lesnar and Bobby Lashley are world champions is beyond me. Cena ok he was selling a lot and so on but common.
This just shows wrestlings weak state right now...
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Lashley is the future of the business. I see him holding the big WWE title someday. Lesner was set up to be the future, and he was doing a good job of being built like the future, but he screwed himself.
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I have to agree with some people that Perfect, Rude, Piper etc. were some of the greatest wrestlers without ever holding the big title but at the same time I think that they never needed it. Basically you put the title on an established superstar to add value to the title, which they should have done with Andre. Andre wouldn't have gained much notoriety/credibility by winning the title but the WWF title would have meant way more if Andre held it at one point. The other common method seems to be that they put the title on some guy to further his main event status. That's when you can tell someone is transitional champ or not.
Piper never needed a championship program with anyone, people loved/hated him whether he held a title or not so they rather kept the title scene open for others. Actually I'm glad that some of my favorite wrestlers never won the big one. Bret Hart for example always was my favorite wrestler from the HF days to his IC title days but then when he finally got to main event status along with the championship belt I never really enjoyed him as much as I did before.
Speaking of Luger, I read that he just didn't win the title at WM X cause he told everyone about it days before and WWF had to change their plans. Not sure if that's really the truth or just an excuse but you never know with Luger.
Looking at this video and remembering him from his face WWF days I'm so glad they put the title on Hart at WM X:
https://www.youtube.com/v/RRIDQonQJUM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRIDQonQJUM)
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Here are some that haven't been mentioned that were questionable:
Rick Martel
Kerry Von Erich
Val Venis
William Regal
Bob Holly
chill
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lmao@ val venis
He should never be mentioned when any title is brought up, ever
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lmao@ val venis
He should never be mentioned when any title is brought up, ever
+1
and i sell rick martel too
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Here are some that haven't been mentioned that were questionable:
Rick Martel
Kerry Von Erich
Val Venis
William Regal
Bob Holly
chill
HAHAHAHAHA wtf, is this a joke. Bob Holly haha, Val venis haha, this is to much LOL.
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Here are some that haven't been mentioned that were questionable:
Rick Martel
Kerry Von Erich
Val Venis
William Regal
Bob Holly
chill
Martel was AWA World champion, which was bigger than ECW at any point. That title fit him more than NWA or WWF.
Von Erich should have been WWF champion, IF he had both legs. Rumor has it he had a fake leg in the WWF.
Venis, LMAO
Regal, I kind of see it, but he needs to get rid of the man boobs
Holly had his run at Lesner, but not a World title winner.
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on a side-note, one of my friends is actually related to Val Venis
i think they're cousins or something lol
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Some of the wrestlers that i've mentioned have been said before but heres part of my list
Ted Di Biase - He was great at carrying lesser wrestlers and should have been honoured at this with a run with the title
Mr Perfect - Knocking on the glass ceiling so often and deserved a run with the big belt
Rick Rude - Yeah he won the NWA International world title in WCW, but I thought that he should have taken the title from Ultimate Warrior in that cage match at SummerSlam 90
British Bulldog - A great wrestler who in the mid 90's was exceptionally popular around and a huge draw in the UK, should have won the title between 1992 & 1997
Kerry Von Erich - Not used that well in the WWE, had the IC title and had the look that Vince liked, but did WWE hold him back due to his well known drug problems and the medical problems that he had due to the crash that wrecked his leg
Vader - One of the best big man wrestlers that has been in wrestling IMO, done a great job in Japan and WCW with a great reputation. With Vinces well know love for 'big man wrestlers' it was strange that he never got that mega push and a run with the belt
Dynamite Kid - If we are talking about pure wrestling ability then this man should be mentioned, a man who transformed a style of wrestling and an innovator of so many moves. Was seen as a tag team specialist in WWE and was no doubt too small for Vince to give him a run with the belt, plus there was a wrestler called Hulk Hogan in the number one spot then
Ken Shamrock - Had the momentum, had the ability and got a push and the fans were behind him so what went wrong, he came so close but never seemed to break through the glass ceiling, was it to do with a lack of willingness from HBK to put Shamrock over?
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Ken Shamrock - Had the momentum, had the ability and got a push and the fans were behind him so what went wrong, he came so close but never seemed to break through the glass ceiling, was it to do with a lack of willingness from HBK to put Shamrock over?
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its funny that you mention that because Kurt Angle came a little later and showed that a real dude could make money and blend.
In Shamrock's defense i think they it was both, they didnt know how to market him at that time and then perhaps some of the guys were unwilling to put him over.
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Ken Shamrock - Had the momentum, had the ability and got a push and the fans were behind him so what went wrong, he came so close but never seemed to break through the glass ceiling, was it to do with a lack of willingness from HBK to put Shamrock over?
its funny that you mention that because Kurt Angle came a little later and showed that a real dude could make money and blend.
In Shamrock's defense i think they it was both, they didnt know how to market him at that time and then perhaps some of the guys were unwilling to put him over.
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he had a lack of mic skills, where as Kurt Angle didnt..
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yea vader is a good choice too....but vince didnt like dude...i'm sure thats why he didnt pull the strap on him...
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yea vader is a good choice too....but vince didnt like dude...i'm sure thats why he didnt pull the strap on him...
why did Vince bring Vader in if he didnt like him?
Vader just happened to come the WWF during its down period..
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^^^^cuz vader was big at that time.....and he would be a good heel....but i'm saying once he really got to meet him he didnt like him...
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^^^^cuz vader was big at that time.....and he would be a good heel....but i'm saying once he really got to meet him he didnt like him...
whered u hear that?
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sources...dunno where i 4got...but all i knew was that vince didnt like his attitude...same with other wrestlers that worked with vader like bam bam bigelow...
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sources...dunno where i 4got...but all i knew was that vince didnt like his attitude...same with other wrestlers that worked with vader like bam bam bigelow...
LOL@ BAM BAM BIGELOW