West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Mr_Loc on November 09, 2001, 03:28:53 AM
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Sup,
I'm wondering how exactly you guys like to hear about new artists and what makes you want to buy an album. I just want some of your feedback because I'm trying verrry hard to promote this Contraversy album on here and with the exception of a few, it seems nobody could give a shit about it.
So what am I doing wrong? People are always talking about how they wish the west coast hip hop scene would blow up again with lots of new talent, but it seems everytime a talented new artist pops up, they get ignored in favor of the existing stars. I know some of you like Incognito or BPG wont buy anything unless Dre or Snoop is on it, thats fine, but for the more open-minded music-buyers, what makes you say 'hmm that looks dope, ill give it a shot'?
just some market research folks, give me some intelligent feedback please.
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WELL IM GETTIN A COPY OF THE ALBUM IN QUESTION..
BUT...
REASONS I TRY 2 SUPPORT A NEW ARTIST
1) IF I HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE OF THEM I TEND TO SHOW AN INTREST, IF ITS A VERY NEW ARTIST I TRY 2 FIND OUT ABOUT THEM
2) I ALSO LIKE THE AVAILABILITY OF SNIPPETS (MP3 OR RAM) TO HEAR THE QUALITY OF TRACKS
3) IF I AM STILL INTRESTED I WILL ORDER OR GO BUY A COPY
--REMEMBER ONE THING--
DRE & SNOOP AND ALL THE ARTISTS OUT NOW WERE UNKNOWN AT SOME POINT
ITS UP 2 US 2 MAKE THE NXT "DRE AND SNOOP"
SO SUPPORT NEW ARTISTS WHERE U CAN
peace
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3 ways to get me to listen to new music....
1. As I get older I'm looking for conscious rappers of two types. Either of the Talib Kweli, Mos Def mold, or the angry politically challenging type such as Ras Kass, the Coup, Poor Righteous Teachers, or even even artists like Gza, Rza, Outkast, Goodie Mob, I want to listen to music that can stimulate my thought process......
2. If your trying to get me to buy rap music polluted with sex, violence, drugs, cliche' topics such as those... Then like Incognito and BPG, the artists name has to be attatched to names such as Dr. Dre, Snoop, Eminem, D-12, Xzibit, or most likely I'm not going to buy it.
3. If I read about an artist and it seems like they are saying something that I haven't heard before, or that they have a different way of viewing the world, then I might cop the album.
Hope that helps... peace
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aww man thats a tough one. very good question
well i think its simply because ppl are into the regular west coast hip hop music, not just dre and snoop but peeps like rosoce, knoc turn al, soopafly etc.
i think ppl need to spread the word and get some attention for the artist and make people listen to the artists tracks.
what makes me buy a new album is the attention. well i know you promote contraversy and did that very well and went to the site and checked those songs, they had a few real good ones but i did that cause you told me .
i think ppl need to be more open minded when it comes to names in west coast rap. i mean if all those songs featured snooop or dre produced them then im sure ppl would get that shit. i dont know but i think its the name. a lot on this board feelin knoc turn al right know but thats just because he's hangin with dre and all them. if it wasnt for dre ppl wouldnt be checkin for him.
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I agree...
Too many people here only pay attention when people bring news about Snoop and Dre... now my site, it' s about Snoop so I try to leave the " underground " scene for others... I also know very little about it since promotion for their albums is not in Wisconsin... so I check out sites like WCKILLAZ, Westcoast2k, WC Afterschock and others... that way I can get into a lot of stuff.... I just got into an underground rapper from Long Beach called " Mr. Money Loc " ... I have his new LP and it' s tight... the name of him might sound quite stupid, but he has some real straight songs.
-Big BpG
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thanks to everyone for the comments so far, good shit. keep 'em coming...
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Loc..
You got to put up samples or snippets from the album in real player or somethin..
cos if the time comes i will probably have the £16 to buy it but u have to convince me to order it becos i mite be on my way back from work or somethin and ill pop in a music store n see the new i dunno killah priest or somethin n ill cop that..its rare i have £16 in my pocket but when i do i spend it wisely..all u do is say how good it is..how the fuck do i know its good? i aint even heard any of it..im taking ur word for it.. give me somethin to hear offa the album!!! thats all im saying no offence
peace
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yea ive posted a few snippets before dogg, you musta missed them. Ill post them again on the 411 board later, they're available at the web site also.
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Loc, I've ordered the Contraversy joint, it took a while for me to get around to it! I had to bug the hell outta my mom to let me switch to a new server, V21, & while I was at it I bugged tha hell outta her to let me use her credit card to the Contraversy joint & eventually it worked ;D It should b here by monday.
As for the question, I love researching new artists an' shit, & now i've got the internet it's alot easier to get info. If it's dope & I like it i'll cop it, if it doesn't impress me much I won't, simple as. Alot of bandwagon hip-hop fans will cop whatever's popular at that present time. I was talking to this bopper Eminem fan an' she was like "I'll still support him even if he goes outta fashion". That shit is nonsense an' I know it ain't like that 4 me. It prolly was when I was younger, lol, but now I love to learn the knowledge an' shit, it's like a part of life now.
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YEA THEY R ALSO ON MY SITE
WE UPPED SNIPPETS AGES AGO AND DID TELL PEOPLE - AS LOC SED U MUSTA MISSED EM
peace
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I dont know dawg... all that really matters to me is how it sounds. Like if I hear a new song on tha radio, and dont know anything about the artist, but he has a dope flow and a nice beat.. I'll most likely end up buying the album. I haven't heard any of the snippets though... I dont know how to do shit on my comp and I dont even know HOW to hear them... not that I haven't wanted to... cuz you know, I'm mexican.. I wanna see what thes Latino rappers are all about.
It's different on here though, it's tha net. You can't just put music out there like the radio... you gotta get people to put in effort and listen to it themselves. And Contraversy being underground, and being hispanic, it's probably even harder to get people interested... So what I would do is just put up snippets of track with Conraversy and other more popular artists... they got tracks with Kam and Kurupt right? People read Kam and Kurupt and they wanna listen to it.. they might end up liking Contraversy too and there you go.
Probably sounds a lil easier than what it is.... but just dont give up. It's probably hard and all... but if muthafuckers dont wanna listen... scream that shit in their ear. FLAWLESS RECORDS, CONTRAVERSY *!*AVAILABLE NOW*!* NEW WEST COAST UNDERGROUND, UNDERAPPRECIATED, UNDERESTIMATED... BUY THAT SHIT!!!.... scream that shit till your lungs fall out.
p.s. I looked for it at tha store last time I went... you said it might be there... wasn't there though.. maybe next time.
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Good Question. I Think The Big Problem Is People Like To be Able To Express Things That They Are Passionate About. LOL. I Know That Sounds Like Crap. But What I Mean By It Is This: If I Buy The New Dr. Dre Album, I Can Talk To ALL Of Yall And Get Your Opinion On It. We Can Talk About How We Love This one Song, Etc. And To All of Us, Our Music Is Very Important.
Now, If I Go Buy The Contraversy Album, It's Gonna Have To be My Little Secret, You Know? If I Like The Album, And REALLLY PASSIONATELY LIKE IT, Like As In I Just Enjoy Bumpin' It, I Will Get No Support From Anybody, Because Nobody Else Has It.
I Think That's What Pushes People Towards The More Regular Types Of CD's That Are Out From Your Name Brands. It's A Shame.
I Wish I Knew The Answer To Your quesiton, But I Think That's My Feeling.
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its a shame, but its reality. its athat's why 'bigger' artists seem to "break" new artists recently we've seen dre&knocc, dre&bilal dre&mary j, dre & busta, nate/kurupt and shade shiest, nate/kurupt and fabulous etc etc.. the list is huge.
sometimes its driven by friendship, sometimes by money, and sometimes by label pressure.
breaking alone in the bizz looks like a very hard thing to do.
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Going Off Topic A Bit Here But Whats Up With The Contraversy Album Online, I Ordered My Copy About A Month Ago. Ive Not Heard Anything Of CD Now.
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Mr. Loc is 100% RIGHT!!! Everyone on this board should be supporting West coast hip-hop. Overall, I think that, by nature, people go by name and or producer recognition. This is bad. I say again, bad. There is so much un-tapped talent out there and the majority of us do not give it a chance.
Me, on the other hand… I thrive off of independent releases such as “Controversy’s” latest. I ordered my copy from CD Now and ya’ll should too. No, in fact, check out Flawless Entertainments website and order it from there. I, personally, am totally into owning the music. If I can get an OG copy of the CD, I will, just so that I’ll have the artwork and production credits on hand. It makes the whole experience complete. Downloading just doesn’t do it. I’ve got to have the booklet open, while I’m listening. Blunt burning while I’m reading… etc.
Independent West coast hip-hop is considered rare to me due to its limited distribution and truthfully, I wouldn’t want it any other way. When shit blows up like Ja Rule and that other East coast bull shit, it’s has a tendency to destroy the quality and the realness of the music. Any TRU collector out there goes for the OG. Point being, ya’ll go out there and support Flawless. This album is blazing. Trayz.
Info To Buy:
http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1276964914/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.
html/ArtistID=CONTROVERSY/ITEMID=1454862
http://www.flawlessmusic.com/intro.html
Ax-Out
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I agree Axle... where are you at anyway?? You' re not on ICQ... you need to holla at a playa.....
-Big BpG
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I'll definately Say That Yes, Downloads Never Sound Anywhere As Good. It's Not Even Close If You Have A Good System To Begin With. Nothing Like The O.G.
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Aight first off, big big BIG thankyou to everyone who has ordered the cd online or is waiting for it to come out in stores, all the support is very much appreciated by everyone at Flawless Music Entertainment.
-If you ordered from CDNow/Amazon, your shit should be on its way very soon. the distributor got the cds last week so its just a matter of days.
-Everyone who ordered directly from FlawlessMusic.com, your cd has been sent, keep an eye on the mailbox.
-People waiting for it to come out in stores, should be another few weeks. Nothing we can do about it right now, so just sit tight.
And all of these comments are dope, good to see everyone's viewpoints, real interesting. I'm sure you can imagine how difficult it is to put out an album independently, we're doing everything in-house. But its worth it, we've been getting some very good feedback on the album and it should just be a matter of time (and more hard work) before Contraversy and FME start to blow the fuck up. Keep watching, and supporting!
keep the comments rolling...
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I agree Axle... where are you at anyway?? You' re not on ICQ... you need to holla at a playa.....
-Big BpG
Good lookin out BP! Truthfully, sometimes I just have to take a break homie. I've just been offline, organizing my catalog, scanning rare OG'z... ya know, beefin up the collection... Running backups... House keeping type shit. I'll be on this weekend for sure. If you need anything, shoot me an email Bigg Dogg. Trayz
Ax-Out
Axle.Fohley@Verizon.net
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This is what I do...i remember in a Source Article interview with Dr. Dre...they asked..how does he find new artist..and producers..........
He said something like he listens to the intro of songs for like the first 15 or 30 seconds....if it doesnt peak your interest...in that amount of time......it aint worth it......
so that is what i do.....there are some songs on the radio..and im sure all of you know..when u hear it....u start to change the dial..and look for another station...then there are those songs..that when u switch the dial station..only hear the end of the song..and u r like damn..that shit is tight..i need to hear the full song....those are the cd's i buy....
Snoop proved himself.. Deep Cover.........with that flow...everybody..was like..holy shit....
and that is what it takes for me to listen to someone knew...they need to have a cut..that stand above the rest....and if its flowin..and the beat is tight....i will get it.....
shit..i just finally picked up...ludacriss.....first CD......its alright..i only picked it up..cause i like area codes.....and he proved himself to me..so i will support and buy his first album..and his next album..that is coming out.....
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This is what I do...i remember in a Source Article interview with Dr. Dre...they asked..how does he find new artist..and producers..........
He said something like he listens to the intro of songs for like the first 15 or 30 seconds....if it doesnt peak your interest...in that amount of time......it aint worth it......
so that is what i do.....there are some songs on the radio..and im sure all of you know..when u hear it....u start to change the dial..and look for another station...then there are those songs..that when u switch the dial station..only hear the end of the song..and u r like damn..that shit is tight..i need to hear the full song....those are the cd's i buy....
Snoop proved himself.. Deep Cover.........with that flow...everybody..was like..holy shit....
and that is what it takes for me to listen to someone knew...they need to have a cut..that stand above the rest....and if its flowin..and the beat is tight....i will get it.....
shit..i just finally picked up...ludacriss.....first CD......its alright..i only picked it up..cause i like area codes.....and he proved himself to me..so i will support and buy his first album..and his next album..that is coming out.....
That Dre article in the Source you mentioned, the one where he left Death Row is my favorite interview of all time, and always will be.
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I buy an album based on the single and other tracks. If I can't live without it I buy it simple as that.
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If it sounds good to me I'll buy it...If it's west coast the beats better be good. I would love a combination of dope beats and lyrics, but that doesnt happen to often with underground acts. If the snippetz I hear sound dope to me, I'll buy it...But I already ordered this album, and if you are a west coast hip hop fan, you should do the same as well...
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I have an idea about how you could promote it. In the east there are so many mix tapes it's not hard to miss new artist. This is how most artist are promoted.....through freestyles that display there skills, or lack there of. Honestly I don't think alot of people will pay attention to you unless you give them a free cd or something from a known artist and then sell them the controversy cd with it. I have been busy lately but I'll check it out.........though/
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if i feel tha artist and they come through tight, and i hear a couple of songs and if i like em.. i'll buy it.. i don't care if their famous or not.. but like if they got talent.. if yo sound tight and aome thourhg good then i'll probably buy your album
and also as for me... to get more of these cds .. i need to get a job and make some money lol
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Good lookin out BP! Truthfully, sometimes I just have to take a break homie. I've just been offline, organizing my catalog, scanning rare OG'z... ya know, beefin up the collection... Running backups... House keeping type shit. I'll be on this weekend for sure. If you need anything, shoot me an email Bigg Dogg. Trayz
Ax-Out
Axle.Fohley@Verizon.net
I'm serious, this CD game is serious for you... when you die... i get your collection... put it in your will
-Big BpG
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This is what I do...i remember in a Source Article interview with Dr. Dre...they asked..how does he find new artist..and producers..........
He said something like he listens to the intro of songs for like the first 15 or 30 seconds....if it doesnt peak your interest...in that amount of time......it aint worth it......
so that is what i do.....there are some songs on the radio..and im sure all of you know..when u hear it....u start to change the dial..and look for another station...then there are those songs..that when u switch the dial station..only hear the end of the song..and u r like damn..that shit is tight..i need to hear the full song....those are the cd's i buy....
Snoop proved himself.. Deep Cover.........with that flow...everybody..was like..holy shit....
and that is what it takes for me to listen to someone knew...they need to have a cut..that stand above the rest....and if its flowin..and the beat is tight....i will get it.....
shit..i just finally picked up...ludacriss.....first CD......its alright..i only picked it up..cause i like area codes.....and he proved himself to me..so i will support and buy his first album..and his next album..that is coming out.....
amen
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i think all u gotta do is slap a link of some real audio up when u promote an artist or group . cuz ill be honest i really could give 3 shits about it if the promoter is just like "YO COP THIS NEW ALBUM BY DJ DICKSWINGER !!! ITS BLAZIN!!"
and they should also tell the people where the artist is from ....... like if their from L.A. ...... then shit ill check it out fo sho. or if they feature some dope artists that we already know ...... thats also very good.
but yeah i think the best thing is the real audio clips ....... cuz all it takes is a mouse click on our part ..... then its all uphill from there 8)
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okay i think this one is done and dusted. thanks to everyone for your comments, opinions and support. i'll just finish it up by saying...
CONTRAVERSY - INNER CONFLICTS
Available online now. In stores soon.
;D
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Well.. basically when I hear about a new artist.. i check out what he's saying... what he's all about... check with people i respect for opinions.. if no one's heard the cat.. i attempt to get my hands on something...
so yo man.. if you've got a thread somewhere talking about your stuff.. or a webpage... or an mp3 or two.. or whatever.. link it up... i'd like to peep it.. im always down to check out an artist.
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Just peep my signature homie, all the info is available through those links.
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CONTRAVERSY - INNER CONFLICTS
Available online now. In stores soon.
BUY THAT SHIT!!!!........ BITCH!
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I would love a combination of dope beats and lyrics, but that doesnt happen to often with underground acts.
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DAM DAM DAM
THERES AS MUCH (IF NOT MORE)
BULLSHIT MUSIC
(ESPECIALLY NOWADAYS)
N UNDERGROUND AS MAINSTREAM
AND/OR ESTABLISHED ACTS....
I THINK IN THE LAST 4 YEARS RAP
AS A WHOLE HAS GONE DOWN.....
QUALITY CONTROL ISNT AS MUCH AN ISSUE ANYMORE......
UNDERGROUND AND MAINSTREAM
HAVE A WHOLE BUNCHA BULLSHIT
AND IT COMES FROM OVER SATURATION
OF PEOPLE TRYN ARAP NOWADAYS!!!!
But 2 answer the question MR LOC.....
i dont really listen 2 radio.....
cuz they hardly play anything worth listening 2
(especially n VEGAS)
and if they do they hardly play it
or play it so much 2 where i dont like it anymore.....
I happen 2 peep radio every now & then....
but most of my newfound music comes from
street promotion...wether it be people i dont know
that hit me up and gimme a flyer or a snippet tape
or people i know havin the CD and be around me....
or juss tellin em bout
a lot of shit i hear bout is also on the net....
i read SOURCE, MURDER DOG & XXL magazines sumtimes
2 keep on top of shit that most of the time i could give a fuk
bout mostly but juss 2 stay on top of whats goin on
with the "other side" cuz as if anybody didnt know it by now
most of my shit is underground independentr labels
that not everybodys chekin 4....i see videos sumtimes...
and again i mostly dont like what i see....
I still give people a chance beyond hearing 1 or 2 singles
but JUSS GOOD MUSIC.....underground or above.....
wait till i drop a megaton on yall!
like the homies GAME INSANE say
Imma "SHOK BLOX" with what imma give u.....
Gate Won
DEEP COMPRESSION SESSIONS EP & LP
2002
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With me, I basically go by word of mouth first, ask people if it's good. Like when Top Dogg drop, or unknowns like Mr. Short Khop. Then I listen to it. You see, I have little money, so I ain't gonna waste my money supporting an artist just so I can listen to the disc once, and then store it. You gotta come correct, I mean pumping as hell. As of late, newer sounds are not impressing me as much, as it all sounds either like the new wave of more electronical instramentals, or it's a played out old style, like G-Funk/gangsta rap wannabe. I ain't wasting my money, if the artist is good, you better come correct. And I ain't talking about good lyrics or production, I'm talking about both together. Blueprint, waste of money 'cause no lyrics. Tight as hell production though. The Master, Rakim, almost if it wasn't Rakim. Tight as hell lyrics, horrible prodution. New or old artist better come with both. I'm almost to the point of only if the next Chronic 2001 that I'll buy it. almost.