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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: AlerG on November 07, 2001, 12:59:54 PM
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although it will peak at number 1 this week on the charts, michael jacksons 'invincible' only sold a disappointing 366,300 copies which is way under the 1 million first week sales goal...this is a lower number than first week sales from dmx, jay-z, ja rule, d12, and just about any other album that has peaked at number one in their premier week this year...what do yall think?
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Yah..
Jacko is anything but invincible.
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damn, thats bad......
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3 words:
too much bootlegers
:o
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Yeah, I Think He Should retire. I Mean, He ONLY Debuted @ The Top of The Album Charts; In 20 Some Countries. That's "Upsetting".... Especially With Little Promotion (The Promotion Is Going To Be Aired For Christmas).
BTW, History Sold 3.5 Million Copies In The U.S., And Sold 391,000 The First Week, About The Same As Invincible. I Just don't See That As Upsetting, Sorry; It's Not As Much As His Other Albums, But Better Than His Last (Blood On THe Dance Floor Only Went To #2 Or So In THe U.S., And History Never Made It To #1).
Peace
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didn't d12 sell betta first week...? i think they did and that pisses me off because mj is waaaaaay betta and has a much mo general appeal ya kno..
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Why u comparin all these artists wit MJ, He's suppose 2 be tha king of all music..............I mean if someone like ja rule does better tha MJ in its first week, then wat does dat tell u..............4 god's sake...............
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Snoop sold better..... who knows why MJ didn't go big..... i know i didn't buy the album.... but i haven't bought any of his, my parents have though
-Big BpG
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Damn, that is alot lower than I expected him to sell, though his album will still debut #1.
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It's about QUALITY not quanity
this album could sell 30 copies and it'd still be dope , sales should effect the quality of a cd plus most of the people who are selling records are selling becuase of sex appeal...which michael doesn't really have
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True That
"Dangerous" Was Huge, He Was On Top , Then.
I Thought, Honestly, That He'd Sell Near A Million In THe U.S. First Week Sales, But Oh No, LOL.
Anyways; I Think, That The Music Industry Is About To Turn Upside Down. MP3'z have Effected It So Hugely, That Eventually, Nobody Will Be Able To Sell Because Kazaa And Morpheus , Etc. Will Be So Readily Available. And It'll ALWAYS Be Like That.
I Blame A Little Bit Of It On Mp3's, But Just THINK What That's Been Doing To Our Hiphop Albums. Mike Wouldn't Get Bootlegged As Much As Hiphop, Surely. What Would Snoop Have Sold Without Bootleggers? he Beat Mike WITH Bootleggers, Imagine How Big He'd Be Without Them.
There's Gonna Be Some Big Changes, I Think, For Sure.
BTW, I of Course Also Blame Some of his Low Sales on His General Perception In Teh Media As Being A Freak, LOL. He Has Been Doing A Lot Of Public Image Stuff Lately Though, Maybe It'll Help. But Yall Have To Realize; He's Screwed Up (Physically) He's Made Steps With Surgery, Etc. And His Vitiligo Condition That Are Non-Reversable; People Are Just Gonna Have To Accept Him For How He Is.
Yesterday There Was An Auto Signing In The Virgin Megastore With Online Coverage; I Swear, And Maybe Some Of Yall Saw It, There Were Still Girls There (And Young, Like 18) Fainting And Crap; Like Hundreds And Hundreds Of Them Walking Up To Him Crying And Shaking And Stuff, Screaming "We Love You Michael" , So i Think He's Still Got A Fan Base, And Apparently A Lot Of Them Are New (They're Young).
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MJ has never had unbelievable 1st week sales...History sold 391,000 copies it's 1st week and Dangerous 327,000...So this is somewhere in his range...He sells his albums on the strength of his singles which he usually releases alot of them...
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Yeah,I Just Noticed He Outsold Dangerous, One Of His Greatest Albums That Went On To Sell 7 Million Copies.
Peace
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mean if someone like ja rule does better tha MJ in its first week, then wat does dat tell u..............4 god's sake...............
It Tells Us Not To Judge Whether Music Is Good Or Not On The Basis Of Chart Postioning.
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Yeah,I Just Noticed He Outsold Dangerous, One Of His Greatest Albums That Went On To Sell 7 Million Copies.
Peace
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That's not necessarily fair though because record sales in general have increased a lot since that album was released.
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...And? They've grown proportionately.
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Where do y'all find the figures for Dangerous ?
I thought it sold 1.2 million, wich was a record at that time.
And didnt History sell more then 3.5 in the US ?
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Yeah,I Just Noticed He Outsold Dangerous, One Of His Greatest Albums That Went On To Sell 7 Million Copies.
Peace
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That's not necessarily fair though because record sales in general have increased a lot since that album was released.
My point was that Dangerous started off slow, and eventually sold 7 million. This album looks like it had worse sales, but actually it beat dangerous's start, so maybe it eventually will sell more than 7 million domestic. I don't get your point, he should expect to sale more than 7 million?
Anyways, That's what Billboard.com said, 300,000 for Dangerous first week sales. History sold 7 million in the U.S., but it was a double album, meaning it actually only sold 3.5 million units (And that first week sales were actually only 175,000 or so?).
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I belive he'll go about 1-3 times platinum...
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My point was that Dangerous started off slow, and eventually sold 7 million. This album looks like it had worse sales, but actually it beat dangerous's start, so maybe it eventually will sell more than 7 million domestic. I don't get your point, he should expect to sale more than 7 million?
Anyways, That's what Billboard.com said, 300,000 for Dangerous first week sales. History sold 7 million in the U.S., but it was a double album, meaning it actually only sold 3.5 million units (And that first week sales were actually only 175,000 or so?).
Since you struggled to see my point for some reason--I'll put it to you in easier terms. All Im saying is that it is not fair to compare 1st week sales for an album put out 10 years ago compared to an album in todays standards because more people are buying albums on the first week. Im not saying "Invincible" is going to bomb, but the fact that it outsold "Dangerous" in it's first week is nothing to get all sticky about.
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What did y'all expect? For MJ to go quadruple platinum in the first week? Its only been the first week, its not like he has one week to sell 'Invincible' or somethin'. Give the man a break for Christ sake. How do y'all know Mikes next couple of singles won't blow up and make his album sell even more? It's like some of y'all have been depending on Miss Cleo way too often.
And even if his album flops, who cares? What more does he need to prove? He is already one of the most famous and most successful artists ever. He even said in the new TV Guide that he wasn't looking for a major comeback.
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Im not hating on Michael Jackson the musician (i wont get into the person). And yes-the album still has potential to be HUUUGE. But so far, it's had a luke-warm single and has been met with luke-warm approval. I've heard the album and think its quite good and if you sells well-great. But its not exactly off to a hot start no matter how you twist the numbers.
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Agreed. I could care less about sales since I enjoy the album so its all good for me.
And how could you hate Micheal Jackson, the person, when you haven't even met him? Thats interesting.
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i thought MJ was gonna sell more.. but ya kno hes got enough money and it is about quality not quantity
like the chronic.. albums sold more than that.. like nelly... and tha chronic is a classic
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this album is dope shit i couldnt believe it only sold 360,000 but like peeps was sayin woh gives a fuck
its not like it sounds any worse to my ears if other eople dont buy it
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And how could you hate Micheal Jackson, the person, when you haven't even met him? Thats interesting. >>
You realize 99% of the country dislikes Michael the person, right? Seriously-I can't support somebody that is just going to use my money to add on to his theme park so he can lure in more young children. Seriously folks-Jacko is a child molestor. I dont want to make this a back and forth posting thing...So if you disagree with this statement--Fine--but I was brought up that child molestors are immoral. And please-don't even act like hes innocent.
And for what its worth--the album is hot.
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You realize 99% of the country dislikes Michael the person, right?
well it shows how people can be hypocrite... 99% country... dawm , they don't like him but they bought the album . just like that... fuckerssss
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Seriously folks-Jacko is a child molestor.
You got any evidence to back that bold statement up or are you just relying on tabloids and other sources that are more "entertainment" then actual fact?
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Seriously folks-Jacko is a child molestor.
You got any evidence to back that bold statement up or are you just relying on tabloids and other sources that are more "entertainment" then actual fact? >>
You're right. Why would Michael Jackson be a child molester? It's not like he has a theme park for children. It's not like he's notorious for inviting young boys over to his place to spend the night. It's not like he hasn't been accused by young boys of molestation. In fact-didn't one boy even know about a certain birthmark on his body? There is no way he DOESNT have gay/molesting tendencies. This is the last Im going to say on the situation though as it has very little to do with music.
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It's not like he's notorious for inviting young boys over to his place to spend the night. It's not like he hasn't been accused by young boys of molestation.
Its funny how out of all the boys he invited to his home only one had a complaint huh? Really odd.
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I'm A Psych Major, And Child Molestors Are Habitual. Any Psychologist/Psychiatrist Will Tell You There's No Way Mike Is, Because He Doesn't Fit The Part. To A Child Molestor, Molestation Is Something They Think About 24/7, Like We Normal Guys Think About Sex. It's Not ABOUT Sex, It's About Other Motives, But Still, It's A Frequent Thing. Thats Why Molestors Get Put In Jail Over And Over Again, Because They Never Quit. There's Always Dozens Of Complaints, Too. I'm Not Talking Most Of The Time, I'm Talking ALL Of The Time, They Can't Help Themselves, It's A Sickness That They Can't Control. For Him To Only Do It Once, Would Be Like A Gay Guy Only Having Gay Sex Once. That's Not Gonna Happen.
If You Look @ Mike's Situation, He's Had 1 Complaint, And Has Been A Major Public Figure For 38 Years. That Just Doesn't Fit The Profile Of A Child Molestor, Sorry. As Much As His Freaky Feminine Personality Scares You, He's Not A Child Molestor. On The Other Hand, He Has 2 Kids, and Has Been Married Twice. Don't Look So Deep.
And Where Did YOu Get The "Birthmark" Story? The National Enquirer?
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99% of the country believes he's a child molestor and with good reason. As far as the birthmark incident-I saw it on the news. Granted this was all a while ago so details are sketchy in my memory. Im not going to pretend to know the facts..and I cant say 100 percent that hes a child molestor..but looking at the facts I just cant support a person like him.
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The thing is there are no facts that he layed a finger on that kid.
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Sugefight. Think For A Second. If My Kid Was Friends With Dr. Dre, And I Decided I Wanted Some Money, What Would I Have To Do? Just Tell The Media That Dr. Dre Molested My Kid. They'd All Report It, And For People Like You That Believe Everything They See On The News, Dr. Dre Would Forever Be A Child Molestor Even Though He Didn't Do It. Simple As That. All It Takes Is An Accusation.
Did I Mention That They Have The Father Of The Kid On Tape Saying He Set Mike Up, And It Never Happened? Of Course That Never Was Admitted In Court, Because it Never Went to Court. Did The Media Report THAT? Hell No. There's An Excellent Article In G.Q. Magazine From About 95 Called "Was Michael Jackson Framed?" If You Want A Good Unbiased Report Of Why It's Impossible That He Did It, Read That. It Goes Over The Tape, And Also The L.A.P.D.'s Decision To Drop The Criminal Case (A Criminal Case Cannot Be Settled Out Of Court, No Matter How Much Money You Have). Education Will Always Win Over Ignorance. I Just Wish People Ignorant On The Subject Wouldn't Condemn.
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I Just Wish People Ignorant On The Subject Wouldn't Condemn. >>
Get a life , Trauma. Why Do You Insist On Attempting To Belittle Others On The Board? I Set You Straight On Private Messages But Now You Insist On Going Back To Your Obnoxious Ways.
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Look Up Ignorance In The Dictionary And You'll see I Wasn't Belittling You At All. You Are Showing You're Not Very Intelligent, Though.
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0wned.
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i like mj's new album. it definetly should have sold more. that doesnt make it a shitty cd.
Peace
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Theres an article on MTV.com that discusses how big of a bomb Invincible really is. Feel free to check it out.
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yeah invincible was ok. but janet said her brother is saving the best for his next album which will be his last album and the greatest. She said Michael told her this album Invincible is just a teaser to get his name out there and to let people know he is still doing music and hasn't retired. The next one will come out within 8 months from now which will be the best work and the greatest album he ever did.