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Title: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.....
Post by: Don Jacob on November 03, 2001, 10:32:05 AM
1. Stankonia
2. Dre 2001
3. Strictly 4 my Niggaz
4. NWA and the Posse
5. Tha Last Meal
6. restless
7. 40 dayz and 40 nightz
8. at the speed of life
9. dillinger and young gotti
10. dogg food
11. the peace disc
12. the war disc
13. i want it all
14. g funk classics vol. 1 and 2
15. the marshal mathers LP
16. the slim shady LP
17. space boogy
18. streetz iz a mutha
19. R.A.W
20. revenge retaliation and get back
21. snoop dogg presents the eastsidaz
22. balance and options
23. rhythalism
24. safe and sound
25. way too fonky
26. quik is da name
27. the shadiest one
28. creepin on up
29. art of war
30. soul food
31. i am
32. it was written




i obviously just got the new source in the mail and it IS true the gay ass source gave this album 5 mics....


so heres a randome list of albums that are just as shitty  or waaaaaaaaaay better then the blue print  but didn't get the mother fucking praise !


please add
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Hittman on November 03, 2001, 10:35:53 AM
1. Stankonia - CLASSIC IN MY EYEZ
2. Dre 2001 - CLASSIC IN MY EYEZ
7. 40 dayz and 40 nightz - CLASSIC IN MY EYEZ
8. at the speed of life - CLASSIC IN MY EYEZ
10. dogg food - CLASSIC IN MY EYEZ
14. g funk classics vol. 1 and 2 - CLASSIC IN MY EYEZ
23. rhythalism - CLASSIC IN MY EYEZ
25. way too fonky - CLASSIC IN MY EYEZ
32. it was written - CLASSIC IN MY EYEZ

The Rest Of Them Are Just Good Albums, If You Dont Agree With What I Said Were Classics Then Thats Your Problem.  ;D
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Don Jacob on November 03, 2001, 10:38:26 AM
naw it's cool my whole point is that if the blue print is classic, then obviously the hip hop standards have OBVIOUSLY dropped and just about any "good" or "alright" album can be considered a hip hop classic
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Hittman on November 03, 2001, 10:48:56 AM
Well As You Know I Aint The Biggest Dre Fan Out There, But I Think 2001 Was Double The Album That The Blueprint Will Ever Be. I Think Standards Of Hip Hop Albums Have Gradually Got Lower, Obviously That Doesnt Mean All The Albums That Are Coming Out Are Weak, But People Like Nelly Arent Doing The Hip Hop World Any Good.
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: West Coast Veteran on November 03, 2001, 11:00:34 AM
2001 is a certified CLASSIC.
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Nosak on November 03, 2001, 11:02:23 AM

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2. Dre 2001
3. Strictly 4 my Niggaz

5. Tha Last Meal
6. restless
7. 40 dayz and 40 nightz
9. dillinger and young gotti
10. dogg food


13. i want it all
14. g funk classics vol. 1 and 2
15. the marshal mathers LP

17. space boogy
18. streetz iz a mutha

21. snoop dogg presents the eastsidaz



30. soul food
31. i am
32. it was written

deuce n tray, da real world, so addictive, bones soundtrack too
;D

please add
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: SugeFight on November 03, 2001, 11:25:49 AM
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naw it's cool my whole point is that if the blue print is classic, then obviously the hip hop standards have OBVIOUSLY dropped and just about any "good" or "alright" album can be considered a hip hop classic >>

You're entitled to your opinion just like the Source is entitled to theirs.  Different people like different albums-that's the way it is.  I dont think its fair to consider one album to be an absolute classic.  I like the way somebody referred to an album as "Classic in my eyes" just like 5 mics is a way of saying "Classic in the Source's eyes".  Guys-Relax.  Source liked the Blueprint and gave it 5 mics--so what?  They're entitled to their opinion just as your entitled to yours..And for what its worth the "Blueprint" is well liked by the majority of hip-hop fans and I know a LOT of non hip-hop fans that think the Blueprint is the best thing to come out in years.
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: techniec on November 03, 2001, 04:01:27 PM
word to what jake said

shiiit, if blueprint is a classic, then so are ..

dddeeeeezzzzzz nnnnuuuutttttzzzz ;D
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Big FC on November 03, 2001, 04:05:06 PM
i just wanna say that i love WC's The Shadiest One album....
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Nino_Brown on November 03, 2001, 04:17:28 PM
only

22. balance and options
23. rhythalism
24. safe and sound
&
nas - it was written (by my mother)

are better than blueprint

it is a classic
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: grimace on November 03, 2001, 05:41:07 PM
2001 IS a classic.

I disagree with the Source about Blueprint getting 5 mics, but it does deserve 4 1/2.


Just because YOU don't like it soesn't mean it doesn't deserve any praise. I'm sure there are people in the world that don't like The Chronic either. Just becauseone man doesn't like it, doesn't mean that it's not a classic.
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: M Dogg™ on November 03, 2001, 05:45:56 PM
Basically, the CD is alright. I mean, it's better than Dynisty, which was a 4.5 in the Sources eyes, so I saw this coming. They love Jigga, but I don't even think it should go up there. The Source has been missing as of late. I mean with albums like AmeriKKKaz Most Wanted, Paid In Full, Tribe Called Quest 2 albums, and other classics, they let an above average album in the classics listings. No offense to Jigga, but this album wouldn't even be remembered next year, and it'll join the Outkast joint in the, what the hell were they thinking rating. Hey, even my eastcoast loving friend agreed that it's to biased to the eastcoast, or just Jigga after hearing this one.
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Don Jacob on November 03, 2001, 05:51:49 PM
yeah but alot of people liked mc hammer's "please hammer don't hurt em" but wheres the quality??


i'm not saying the blueprint is on the that sorry of an album but i'm asking the same question? wheres the quality??????????????????????????????????????



lyrics-every one bashes kurupts lyrics on space boogie including me and this board so his album is automatically sorry, but jay-z's were no better on this album then on space boogie......so i guess it's a classic becuase of the beats....


beats-....then again maybe not the production on this album was anything but solid, the only tracks with good or semi good beats were girls girls girls, hola hovito, song cry, and u don't know, every thing else becomes novelty and is VERY overlooped and mixed like shit


i don't get how the source can say that this album is FLAWLESS when this album is CLEARLY! CLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARLY chalk full of flaws


take over is this "praised" track but jay-z hardly ever rhymes and when he does it's simple shit like jigga/nigga


aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah it's fucking fustrating

someone give me a logicle reason why this album is classic and to every please add album that are better than this album but didn't get the same praise
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Don Jacob on November 03, 2001, 05:54:15 PM

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Basically, the CD is alright. I mean, it's better than Dynisty, which was a 4.5 in the Sources eyes, so I saw this coming. They love Jigga, but I don't even think it should go up there. The Source has been missing as of late. I mean with albums like AmeriKKKaz Most Wanted, Paid In Full, Tribe Called Quest 2 albums, and other classics, they let an above average album in the classics listings. No offense to Jigga, but this album wouldn't even be remembered next year, and it'll join the Outkast joint in the, what the hell were they thinking rating. Hey, even my eastcoast loving friend agreed that it's to biased to the eastcoast, or just Jigga after hearing this one.


thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!


the only thing i disagree with is the outkast thing
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on November 03, 2001, 06:03:49 PM

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i just wanna say that i love WC's The Shadiest One album....



^^^Yuuup.

Yo but Jake is right............I mean if Source's dumbass gives Blueprint a 5, then in their "oppinion", Blueprint is better tha The Chronic, Doggystyle, Dre 2001, Marshall Mathers, E.1999 Eternal etc. etc.   because they didn't give any of those a 5, Sheeeeet In my oppinion they shouldn't even be entitled 2 dat "oppinion". Man I think there's some fuckin shit goin on beind tha scenes, They're alwayz much Too generous on East Coast albums............
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: ImmortalOne on November 03, 2001, 07:02:27 PM
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^^^Yuuup.

Yo but Jake is right............I mean if Source's dumbass gives Blueprint a 5, then in their "oppinion", Blueprint is better tha The Chronic, Doggystyle, Dre 2001, Marshall Mathers, E.1999 Eternal etc. etc.   because they didn't give any of those a 5, Sheeeeet In my oppinion they shouldn't even be entitled 2 dat "oppinion". Man I think there's some fuckin shit goin on beind tha scenes, They're alwayz much Too generous on East Coast albums............


I thought the Blueprint is a VERY hot album, and im quite critical of Jiggas work usually. I think its worthy of 5 mics, though I personally give 4.75 mics. Obviously, it doesnt touch albums like E.1999 Eternal, The Chronic, or Doggystyle, but its still a hot album nonetheless....
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Big BpG on November 03, 2001, 07:11:29 PM
Blueprint is not a classic to me... it was good, but when i listened to it I didn't blow my mind up thinking... wow this is groundbreaking, and I know no one here did either... it's a good album, but not groundbreaking...

When I heard 2001 i went   :o

When I heard Blueprint I went  :-*

I can't wait to see Warren G get 5 mics... the source will give it a 4... just watch....

-Big BpG
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: SugeFight on November 03, 2001, 07:15:25 PM
The Blueprint has a lot of classic, quote worthy, rewindable lyrics on it...so this whole "weak lyrics" approach I refuse to buy.  You have a much better angle with your "sampling" theory because bashing on Jigga's lyrics is just gonna blow up in your face.
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Big FC on November 03, 2001, 09:11:59 PM
i guess i just don't feel jigga or maybe i'm not a big enough east coast fan but i got bored with the cd really fast.. i liked it at first, thought it was pretty dope.. but a week or two later it left me feeling dissapointed and bored.. kinda like the d-12 cd actually..
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: M Dogg™ on November 03, 2001, 09:29:45 PM
OK, the third verse of The Takeover, which was a diss to Nas, a very good lyrist, was basically a sample of fame, and talked his way throw the song, basically repeating shit that's been heard, and not really being a lyrist, but more of a talker. I've heard Jay-Z the lyrist, and his one hot muthaphukka, I don't question that at all, but this was not Jay-Z the hungery lyrist, more like LL Cool J when he tried to prove his greatness, but feel short. He mentioned how good he was, but did nothing to back it up. I think if he actually proved his skills, then it's easily the album of the year, 'cause producion was tight. Oh well, I guess we have to wait until Rakim comes out to get another 5 mics, 'cause those things come out once ever like 3 years.
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: ImmortalOne on November 03, 2001, 10:58:01 PM
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The Source has alwayz been very poor at recognizing classic material. They've only given 5 mics to like 10 albums, but there are probably about 40-50 albums, maybe more, that deserve it.....
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Hittman on November 04, 2001, 12:17:00 AM
Doggystyle Didnt Get 5 Mics?? WTF Is Up With That??
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: infinite59 on November 04, 2001, 12:57:54 AM
If the Blueprint is a classic then alot of No Limit albums back in the day were classics.
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Nino_Brown on November 04, 2001, 01:03:27 AM
well considering 80% of u lot havent seen ur 14th birthday, i have to agree with THE SOURCE.

u r all fans that get off at the site of snoop, is it really worth querying the source? lol


The Blueprint - Classic!
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: infinite59 on November 04, 2001, 01:25:35 AM
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well considering 80% of u lot havent seen ur 14th birthday, i have to agree with THE SOURCE.

u r all fans that get off at the site of snoop, is it really worth querying the source? lol


The Blueprint - Classic!


I'm 19, and your post was bullshit.  Don't believe the hype, Jay-Z is average.  Def Jam made him a star.
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: TheSheriff on November 04, 2001, 01:50:07 AM
More or less the only Jay-Z songs I've liked since Reasonable Doubt were Big Pimpin'(GOD DAYUM!)and Hard Knock Life(I liked it, oh well, LoL...).

Nino, I think you like Jigga a bit TOO much.  ::)

Blueprint=Classic? Dogshit=Smells good? Cali Love=Wack?

The same amount of truth.

Fredro Starr-Firestarr

Canibus-Can-I-Bus

Dr Dre Presents-Turn Off The Lights and The Aftermath

All better than Blueprint.

Goddamn, Nastradamus and Blueprint are equal.

And, by the way...Welcome to Death Row...HAHAHAHA...I love The Chronic...

Owen

P.S. Too Gangsta For Radio and R U Still Down asswhup Blueprint!
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Nino_Brown on November 04, 2001, 02:04:50 AM
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and your post was bullshit.  
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ok from now on ill read your info, 'the source' isnt accurate



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Nino, I think you like Jigga a bit TOO much.  
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i think jigga is best MC ever homie. Nastradamous had a few good tracks, but i thought it was weak for nas standards

Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: TheSheriff on November 04, 2001, 02:08:33 AM
^^^Aight dawg, all opinions.
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: I TO DA GEEZY on November 04, 2001, 04:07:04 AM
some of the albumz that jake mentioned iz classicz without no relation to this "if blueprint iz...".......but sayin tha blueprint shity either iz ignorant...or..some pipz need ear checkz....

no dissin....jus" whaz seemz tha most logical to me....


p.s the blueprint realy iz a classic.....
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Ro J. Simpson on November 04, 2001, 04:44:35 AM
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beats-....then again maybe not the production on this album was anything but solid, the only tracks with good or semi good beats were girls girls girls, hola hovito, song cry, and u don't know, every thing else becomes novelty and is VERY overlooped and mixed like shit




first off...Hola Hovito and song cry and girls girls girls arent the best beats on the album...The girls girls girls remix is the best beat on the whole album(produced by kane west), the takeover and never change they are the 3 best on the album by far...the OG version of girls girls girls is weak and lame..the remix has OOMPH in it..plus the sample master mr west laces the beat too...It IS a classic and shud get 5 mics...Space Boogie was average...The only good songs were hardest muthafuckaz and cant go wrong...Jigga is 1 of the best lyricists of all time...period.

Oh yeh and jake his lyrics were hotter than Kurupts by a long shot...For instance when jigga tore nas apart with "thats a 1 hott album every ten year average" that was a complete rip..

His lyrics are fire at the moment and so is his album...if u think that space boogie was a better album then u are sadly mistaken..and if u think this album doesnt deserve 5 mics u r very mistaken..no offense just my view

to all y'all

the blueprint IS a classic it SHUD get album of the year in the source, and jigga IS on top of his game..even after saying he's gonna retire 3 times..he is gettin a bit annoying as of lately..cos he is everywhere but he's hottt rite now so why shudnt he be

peace
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: caTASHtrophe on November 04, 2001, 05:29:11 AM
Other albums of worthy Classic mentions are...

Tash - RapLife
Bizzy - The Gift
Krayzie - Thug Mentality 99
The Liks - Coast to Coast
The Liks - Likwidation

;D
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Don Jacob on November 04, 2001, 01:09:54 PM
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nigga you a (flaaaaame)
you's the fag model for Karl Kani Esco ads
Went from Nasty Nas To Escos Trash


ok how the fuck did that rhyme that just sounds like talking....i could've wrote ^ on this message board without trying to rap it

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Had a spark when ya started
But now your're just garbage


that semi rhymes....but not that well...

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you fell from to 10, to not mentioned at all
till your bodyguard's "oochie wally verse is better than yours

how "all" and "yours" rhymes i'll never know.... ::)

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Matter of fact, you had the worst flow on the whole fucking song
but i know, the sun don't shine
if the son don't shine

???.....he's going to say nas had a weak line when he's going to write this?!

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that's why your (laaaaame)
career has come to an end
it's only so long fake thugs can pretend

ok he FINALLY rhymes!! but the verse isn't nothing all that special, i mean i've heard ja rule and mase come up with shit like this

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Nigga you ain't live it
you witnessed it from your folks' pad
scribbled in your notepad
and created your life


pad/pad.....it doesn't really take a rocket scientist to come up with that....the he fucking put out another line after that, that doesn't even fucking rhyme with anything, king of new york my ass!

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i showed your firest teck
on tour with large professor
then i heard your album
bout your teck on the dresser


wow, the first good line  :o

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oh yeah i sampled your voice
you was using it wrong
you made it a hot line i made it a hot song


ok, 2

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and you ain't get a coin, nigga
you was gettin fucked then
i know who i paid, god,
Serchlight Publishing


this line only sounds good on paper, not when he raps it

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use your (braiiiiin)
you said, "been in this 10"
i been in it five
smarten up, nas, four albums in 10 years
nigga, i can divide
that's one every, ummmm lets say 2
2 of the shits was doo


wow i didn't know talking was considered rapping!....wow look he rhymed doo with two....gee wilickers that's hot! (sarcasm)

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one was ehhh, the other was illmatic
that's a one hot album every 10 years average


this was a pretty good line....but too bad the theres no truth behind it and the same diss can be said himself

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and that's so (laaaaaame)
nigga, switch up your flow your shit's garbage
what you tryin' to kick knowledge?you niggas gonna learn to respect the king
don't be the next contestant on that summer jam screen


this line was pretty good too, but nothing  :o




seriously people , if these words were to roll off the tounges of dmx , ja rule, benzino or fred durst for that matter, none of y'all would be this estatic over this album, it's becuase of whose saying it.....
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Last Dragon on November 04, 2001, 01:12:48 PM
I have to disagree with almost all the opinions.  The Blueprint is worthy of 5 mic status.  I love this sight, but this is the only sight were I see people fronting on this album like this.  Jay-Z put together the classic album everyone knew he could do again he only got a 3.5 for his first album, which was a 5 mic as well IMO.  Besides, the Source aplogized for not givin 5 mic ratings to AEOM, DoggyStyle, 2001, Makaveli, Ready to Die, and The Chronic.  I agree with the Source on this one. The Blueprint is a classic in every sense of the word.  If you don't take their word for it, I'll give you a review wrote by a guy named Jay Seagraves.  He's the best reviewer I've ever seen and he's really repsected by the online Hip-Hop community.  He doesn't give it 5, but he has the best review of it.  Please peep.

http://hiphopinfinity.com/Albums/JayZ_01.htm
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: infinite59 on November 04, 2001, 01:48:22 PM
BigJakeDoggyDogg-  Great post homie... good work.. Jay-Z is a monotone, he just talks, he doesn't rap, and that's even one of his best versus.....

Compare that to this

Slim Shady/
Brain Dead like Jan Brady/
I'm an M-80/
You little like that Kim Lady/
I'm Buzzin, Dirty Dozen, naughty rotten rhymer/
cursin at you players worse than Marty Shottenhiemer/

Shady rhymes with Brain dead and Jan Brady, M-80, 'little' rhymes with Kim, Lady rhymes with Shady, M-80, Brain Dead, Buzzin, Dozen, rotten, cursin, worse then, Shotten..all rhyme, and then Rhymer and hiemer.... this is why Em tore up Jay on Renegades.
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: RivieraIII on November 04, 2001, 02:03:05 PM
Whoeva started this thread gets props from me coz it's one of the 1st time I see everyone saying intelligent stuff (with NO beef) at the same time...

Now, I was the first to review The Blueprint on this forum. Initially, I gave it a 3.75/5 rating but I finally settled for a 4/5. I would understand that it gets 4.5 mics from The Source because it's an excellent record but if they wanna give it a 5, it's fine with me as long as they admit that their standards dropped a little (like someone said before). Shit, it's crazy, but I listened to EVERY Jigga album today, one after another and in order, and I was about to post a thread about Jigga having a whole lot of classic records, ON EVERY SINGLE LP... Still, if BLUEPRINT is classic, there are no excuses at all for coming short on 2001, Chronic, Doggystyle, 36 Chambers, The Diary, The Score, Reflection Eternal, Bow Down and a few others (I have to admit that The Source did apologize for some of their mistakes, especially Chronic and 2001; Dre did get a special  mics Award...). But it's their opinion and I also believed they wanted to celebrate Jigga's otherwise UNBELIEVABLE consistency over 6 (SIX!!!!!!) albums. Check them one after another one day: you'll be SURPRISED...
PS: And yeah, BLUEPRINT is NOT Jigga's BEST lyrical show (even though it's boiling hot)... Of course he comes out tight on the joint but "a lot of rewind material" on Blueprint??? I found more things to rewind on Dynasty, fo' real!
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: RivieraIII on November 04, 2001, 02:15:47 PM

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Jay-Z put together the classic album everyone knew he could do again he only got a 3.5 for his first album, which was a 5 mic as well IMO.  
http://hiphopinfinity.com/Albums/JayZ_01.htm


REASONABLE DOUBT (rightfully) got a 4 mics rating homie. I STILL got a copy of that particular Source. That was the one with NAS on the cover in 1996. "RD" got 4 mics just like "It Was Written" in the very same edition. NAS was the feature review and RD came right after it...
Now everyone (including The Source) is trying to act like "It Was Written" received 2 mics. Shit, it was an excellent record. I love Jigga, he's a prime time lyricist and one of the GOATs but I don't see in what way "Blueprint" is better than "It Was Written" (or "I Am" for that matter...) coz it would mean than it's better than "RD" which is NOT the case. Only my point of view...
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Last Dragon on November 05, 2001, 02:24:24 AM
I got 4?  Damn, my F up.  
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: I TO DA GEEZY on November 05, 2001, 05:35:36 AM
i could quote some o tha best rappaz (yea...it includes jigga) and bash some of their tight rhymes....as jake did to some of jiggaz rhymes on take over...and say that tha real highlights iz rare succsesses

p.s...only that if you quote and critisize.....it doesnt change tha quallity of tha shit dude......hell... but that shit dat pisses me iz dat some of tha pipz dat diss jigga iz feelin very comfy on snoopz dick.....whom jig ripz easily....
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Don Jacob on November 05, 2001, 05:49:06 AM
i just hate how average of a diss track is but every one on the eastcoast swears to god it's one of the best diss tracks ever.....please callin' out names was hell of alot better than this cut and that's all they did was critisize it....and calling out names was pretty average too! god!


and i don't see what's so special about jay-z he's only as good as snoop lately nothing that special, the only thing that seperates snoop from jay-z is that jay-z's best is Reasonable Doubt and Snoop's best is Doggystyle......nuff said!
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Big BpG on November 05, 2001, 06:03:14 AM
Aiight once again this is how i see it. Remember when I went on a rampage about how Tha Eastsidaz CD was classic? Everyone was telling me

"Don't Judge The Album on It's First Listen... It takes time before you can call it classic, come back two years later and then says its classic"

Well now, I see that Dueces N Trayz is not a classic... however most of you people who were screaming at me about this are now saying Jay-Z's blueprint is a classic. Well no shame, but come back in two years and then say its classic because I think in two years we will realize that this album is not a classic. I listened to it for two weeks before stacking it up on my shelf. I only hear songs off the album if they are on the radio. The album is completely played out with me.  To me a classic album does not do that. Every album that has been considered classic, is an album you can listen to over and over again because no matter how much time has passed, it always sounds fresh and new. Blueprint to me sounded like very 70's to me. There was no unique sound there so I'm going to says, This album is a great album, this album is hot, this album definetly has heat, but this album is not a classic. Give it time, I think we will see it slowly lose it's hype, right now that's all this is, is hype. The truth will shine. It's not a classic CD and that is the truth.

-Big BpG
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: TheSheriff on November 05, 2001, 06:42:43 AM
^^^Word.

Goddamn, JayHoYa and his manky voice...

Gimme a little Predator, and I'm happy.
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: SugeFight on November 05, 2001, 06:49:07 AM
seriously people , if these words were to roll off the tounges of dmx , ja rule, benzino or fred durst for that matter, none of y'all would be this estatic over this album, it's becuase of whose saying it..... >>>

What you forget is this is not poetry.  It doesnt matter how it comes off when you read it--when you hear it it sounds dope and Jay-Z is just spittin game--and doing it damned well.
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Don Jacob on November 05, 2001, 06:51:32 AM

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Aiight once again this is how i see it. Remember when I went on a rampage about how Tha Eastsidaz CD was classic? Everyone was telling me

"Don't Judge The Album on It's First Listen... It takes time before you can call it classic, come back two years later and then says its classic"

Well now, I see that Dueces N Trayz is not a classic... however most of you people who were screaming at me about this are now saying Jay-Z's blueprint is a classic. Well no shame, but come back in two years and then say its classic because I think in two years we will realize that this album is not a classic. I listened to it for two weeks before stacking it up on my shelf. I only hear songs off the album if they are on the radio. The album is completely played out with me.  To me a classic album does not do that. Every album that has been considered classic, is an album you can listen to over and over again because no matter how much time has passed, it always sounds fresh and new. Blueprint to me sounded like very 70's to me. There was no unique sound there so I'm going to says, This album is a great album, this album is hot, this album definetly has heat, but this album is not a classic. Give it time, I think we will see it slowly lose it's hype, right now that's all this is, is hype. The truth will shine. It's not a classic CD and that is the truth.

-Big BpG



well put!

even most people on sohh.com don't listen to it no more from what i've seen and they're the jay-z dick rider capitol,lol


like i said this albums deserves 4 mics but not a 5 mic rating
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: SugeFight on November 05, 2001, 06:52:19 AM
The truth will shine. It's not a classic CD and that is the truth.
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No offense, BPG, but who in the fuck do you think you are?  Just because you don't find the CD classic doesnt mean its the truth, dogg.  A lot of people like it the album a lot--and in there minds its a classic and thats all that matters.  The album is not a classic to you, but that doesnt mean that somebody is wrong if it's a classic to them.  And thats on the real...
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Don Jacob on November 05, 2001, 06:58:10 AM

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seriously people , if these words were to roll off the tounges of dmx , ja rule, benzino or fred durst for that matter, none of y'all would be this estatic over this album, it's becuase of whose saying it..... >>>

What you forget is this is not poetry.  It doesnt matter how it comes off when you read it--when you hear it it sounds dope and Jay-Z is just spittin game--and doing it damned well.



you missed the point homie if fabalous (who sounds IDENTICAL) to jay-z rapped those same lyrics people wouldn't be paying him even half the attention....it's all hype/imagrey/and media ploy

even in that article last dragon posted the reviewer said jay-z said he was the best enough times (without even backing it up) that people just started agreeing, so all of jay-z's business assosiates at def jam say he's the best so many times that the masses are just saying "ok i guess so" and going with it, same with dmx you know what i'm saying?
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: TheSheriff on November 05, 2001, 07:04:13 AM
Shit, NSync sold 20 million records.

Musically, are they the best set of artists ever?
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Last Dragon on November 05, 2001, 10:37:47 AM
The way I see it is like this.

A lot of EastCoast sites say it's classic

A lot of Sight's were the majotity is the Underground and Backpackers have vast majorities where they say it's classic.

Westcoast sights seem to be split down the middle on the debate.

I say, in a few years heads will be talking about the BluePrint the same way they talk about Illmnatic.  Some will front now, but this album is a classic in every sense of the word.  If not, the the Source should make a 4.75 mic rating to quiet the heads that still want to front on this album.  Jay has delivered the first classic album of the century.  There'll always be people that front on it.  There are few people I know that front on Illmatic and AEOM.  But, Jay has given an album that is very soulful, lyrically perfect, and straight from heart.  Jay has pushed himself to the level of the elites with this album plian and simple.   :) ;) :D ;D 8)
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: TheSheriff on November 05, 2001, 10:41:46 AM
So, we HAVE to like it?

And, personally, I think Firestarr, and then Black Trash, were the first classics of the year.
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Last Dragon on November 05, 2001, 11:03:14 AM
I'm not saying you have to like it.  I'm saying I disagree with a lot of the opinions here.
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: TheSheriff on November 05, 2001, 11:10:25 AM
Opinions aren't right or wrong. So you can't disagree with them, per se; You can say that you don't share 'em, but not that you disagree, thus making it a case of right and wrong.
Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Top-Dogg2001 on November 05, 2001, 01:52:34 PM
Okay here's what I have to say.
I agree the blueprint isn't classic. It's atleast a 4.5 though. Half or more than half of the albums you mentioned weren't classic. I think alot of you peeps are sleeping on this album. Besides Reasonable doubt this is jay at his best.

There is no way there should have been 40 or 50 classic albums to get 5 mics. If this was so then the 5 mics status doesn't mean anything. The problem is some people on this board are too quick to say something is a classic. (Dueces & Trays Classic? PLEASE)


And Jake made a good point about the standards of hip hop going down.

Whoever said Fredro Starr-Firestarr, Canibus-Can-I-Bus, and
Dr Dre Presents-Turn Off The Lights and The Aftermath are better then the Blueprint is a dickhead and has lost ALLLLLLLL credibility in my eyez.


Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: I TO DA GEEZY on November 06, 2001, 03:57:54 AM
shit....i cant believe pipz wouild put jigga on tha same level they put dmx.....
i mean...to me itz obvious.....he iz great...i cant believe pipz don notice hiz greatness...it haz nothin to do wit him convincin tha massses and from hiz great confidence the masses agree htat he tha g.o.a.t(of many rappaz he iz one whose braggin iz really suppoted by hiz enormous skillz.....unlike many... dat brag and have nothin to support their words).....there iz tones of rappaz that iz caimin they da best wit even mo" confidence...and i don agree wit them...
imo...jigga iz one of tha most sharp, piquant , charismatic  and vocally skillfull in tha game....i don know why pipz don see that....pipz iz sayin he iz monotone...this iz straight bull...
tha same pipz would prob"lly say BIGGIE waz monotnous too....jigga got a paticullar vocal style....and i ever thought that one might consider it monotonous.....when rappa"z deliv
iz monotonous....you can hear it....take warren g as a rappa fo example....puffy.....dre....
jigga iz far from that...

Title: Re: albums that are classic if "the blueprint" is.
Post by: Ro J. Simpson on November 06, 2001, 12:18:03 PM
for christ sake..in 3 years or so when your puffin on a blunt some place and you find the blueprint in the bottom of your collection..take Dogg Pound 2046 out and stick it in..listen to it..im damn sure i will...i dont see why most of you think he's over rated and gets alot of media attention..why?... cos he's good..

i know most of you are west coast fanatics but dont hate on him..

oh yeh and none of y'all should sleep on the new erick sermon lp..its straite dope

peace