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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Amaru_Lumumba on October 31, 2001, 06:24:32 AM
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First of all of us I got nothing against Eminem so what I'm about to say is just an opinion!
Eminem should stop copying Pac's style and all that stuff.
PUBLIC ENEMY came with their own thing.
NWA gave a motherfuck to the police.
TUPAC came in with something new,told us how fucked the world is! and Eminem is here now repeating tha same fuckin thing Pac was talking about! We need something new and fresh now!
It is rumoured that Eminem can't write a song without listening to Pac's music,so before he goes to the studio he first plays tupac to get some ideas what to write about and that's why his lyrics are almost the same as that of Pac Nigga.
what do you think ladies and gentlemen
STILL us all
still
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i think need to look at yourself and answer the following questions.
1) why is every post u make either
a) about 2pac... he's dead, and he wouldnt have liked u.
b) slaggin off eminem... looks like you are racist... the shit works both ways u know.
2) plain fuckin weird.
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you are lying i don't talk about pac that much!
why everytime i write something you bring in that i'm a racist ..you got no other defence!
this shit that i 've posted is non-racial so i dont know why you bring in racial issues!
in fact to me a human being is just a human being cause in the eyes of ALMIGHTY GOD we are all the same motherfuckers!
Still me and you
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::)
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just think how many rappers the are in the world....there are going to be similarities. i'm saying that even tho i don't think ur point was completly valid. and yes he is influnenced by 2pac like a hell of alot of other rappers but he doesn't just straight copy 2pac i think u need to grow up/get a life
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Em listening to Pac before he writes/records his work is jus' showing how much he's influenced by Pac, shit sounds normal to me, it's not like he's got Thug Life tatooed across his belly. Damn, if your looking 4 a Pac biter look no further than Ja Rule.
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Resulting from the rumours:
It therefore doesn't justify Eminem copy or imitate Tupac's style.
Note:I'm not talking about the style of flowing lyrics but of generating ideas!
It is said that Eminem has still got the potential to develop himself as an original artist!
STILL me and you
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my last post intended to answer ka rule
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STILL SAD
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Now coming to you SEVEN, that's not normal of repeating the same fuckin thing of another artist in different form!
People say they need new ideas!
STILL me and you
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SHUT UP
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lee!!!
what should be shut up???
i wonder??
hahhahahhahaahaaa
STILL me and you
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u obviously have mist out on alot of eminem's stuff cos there is definatly greatness and origionality not neccessarily in every song for the following reasons...natural instinct to incorperate some of ur influences into songs shit every1 does hence instinct its human nature, take a look at dre he was influenced by george clinton and he has sampled him many times. also back to the maths so many rappers not every1 can come up with something new everytime unfortually for u the world is not that diverse.
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lee!!!
what should be shut up???
i wonder??
hahhahahhahaahaaa
STILL me and you
Shut up would mean to u ..
1. Tie ur hands behind ur back (so u can't type anymore)
2. To occuipy your small mind while ur bored go talk to ur only mate ... the big eminem poster in ur bedroom :P ::)
STILL SAD
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To me Em is very original, from his style, flow down to his LYRICS. He does rap about how fcuk'd up this world is, so did Pac, so do alot of rappers. Em raps about what he has been through, as did Pac, as do alot of other rappers. There's a difference in being influenced and copying someone's techniques & to me Em is jus' influenced by Pac. No harm.
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A few points:
You ever read Ecclesiates in the Bible, Am Gay?
Tupac wasn't a shock rapper as Em is on most of MMLP and Devi's Night.
Tupac and Em have vital differences, please note. Em doesn't talk about thug life and all that shit, he talks about his life.
FINAL POINT THIS TIME ROUND:Look, you fuckin white-hatin bitch, that "STILL me and you" thang...Bit gay, don't ya think?
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lol ;D
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AMARU...DON'T TALK...EVER!
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;D
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Yeah And The Other Day I Was Just Flicking Through Channels And Damn Doesn't Will Smith Sound Just Like Xzibit.
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Yo, Amaru, 1st let me say that I respect ur point of view. Here's what I'm sayin' though: u can be a real WARRIOR without being racist (and I do NOT believe you are racist no matter what Overseer says). Still, u gotta understand that the entire HIP HOP GAME has been influenced by 2Pac's style and artistry. Therefore, Eminem has also been influenced (and he's the 1st to admit it) which doesn't mean that he "stole everything" Pac did. One example? "Stan". Pac (like EVERYONE else for that matter) NEVER did a joint like that, which comes straight outta Em's genius self. So, give the kid some props for being a real artist, influenced like everyone else by his predecessors, but still AUTHENTIC. Many other things could be said about Eminem; as a matter of fact, kids today don't even realize that Em's flow and delivery is VERY SIMILAR to Masta Ace's (y'all can get Ace's "Disposable Acts" who's just been released and see for yourself), whom Em also admitted, was another one of his influences alongside Pac and LL. But the truth is, Slim Shady has mucho TALENT and rhyming skills. You CANNOT take that from him. PAC is not only the GOAT, he's a major influential Black figure of the 90's and his legacy speaks for itself. However, EMINEM is a GENUINE cat, yo. I'm Black but I RESPECT that: EM is the dopest out there today, let's be real...
It's only MY point of view, Amaru. Good lookin' out though. And keep it comin'...
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I jus had a thought! I've been reading this book, "Music and the Mind" & it states that in South Africa (where Amaru is from), in the brutal prisons, special types of human screams, breaking glass, barking dogs, and roaring lions are replayed continuously at high volume to prisoners in solitary confinement. It says the effects are devastating. I'm pretty sure that Amaru has been affected by this ;D
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For Stan, thats goddamn right. No one ever dug so deep. Now we got some wannabe Eminems here in Russia that all make similar songs like letters from a fan and shit. Em just made a new style.
Me, I just think Slim aint NUTHING like Pac. Not a single goddamn thing,. Amaru needs to get a life.
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Damn Amaru..U have made 107 Weird ass posts....Round of applause please
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this guy is a fuccin joke....can someone get through to him that tupacs dick aint in his mouth???
i know he wishes it was....
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Well apart from da fact that lambu is a retard, lez answer his Question n lock da topic
IMO:
There r many 2pac wannabes in dis world, basically 2pac wuz great, he had amazing talent and nobody can ever match that. He wrote bout life n shit cause he had experienced all that crap.
Eminem himself has faced shit in his life tho, he raps bout it, maby he wants to be like pac, but who dont? I wou'dnt call Eminem a wannabe tho, he raps bout all sorts a stuff and hes a gr8 lyricist.
Now wht da fuck r u always after eminem and 2pac???
Theyr both amazing rappers wid lotsa skill....
R.I.P Tupac
n quit being a 2pac wannabe lumbu
-{bLaDe}
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Yeah And The Other Day I Was Just Flicking Through Channels And Damn Doesn't Will Smith Sound Just Like Xzibit.
lol lol lol lol
man, this is probably one of the most unfounded disputes i've ever fuckin read. not only is it irrellevant, but it's dumb as shit. i listen to mary j blige when i'm making love, does that mean that i'm trying to be like that girl? hell no, it means she's got a style that influences the freakyness in all of us, just like 'pac's got the style that tells us "get the fuck up and don't sit there like a little bitch....DO SOMETHING" and i think that that's what influences em. how does eminem bite 'pac's style? give me one good example............eminem is one of the most original motherfuckers in hip hop ever, so i'm struggling to see what the hell you're talking about
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Wut a dumb ass topic... Pac and Eminem are so differents... They both influenced a lot of people and still do... but thats their only similar point
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woah.. i'm happy to know that i'm not the only one that thinks eminem and masta ace are similar... i loved disposable arts on a side note.. dope album.. y'all should pick it up..
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Yeah Riveira you trying to be diplomatic and that is appreciated unlike these ignorant motherfuckers who think they know much whereas they not.Ignorants are quick to diss rather than applying LOGIC and put forward their point of views,they act on their emotions rather than on their minds!
And I also dont think you are black!
If artists cannot come up with new,fresh and unique talent then it should be concluded that RAP IS FUCKED UP.
NWA gave the motherfuck to the police and we are over that shit now and we'll not appreciate it if somebody else brings that shit again.(you all whites this doesn't apply to you as you were the oppressers).
TUPAC told us how fucked the world is and we were over that shit and now here comes eminem giving us the same old shit we are thru with!
Now it's clear that there still people who are racists but who hide that fact like Goerge Bush who was a president of USA.
He banned Tupac's song without having to enquire as why Tupac wrote a song like that... he simply ignored that.
This also proves that there are still people who are racists... who hide that fact like in this forum!
This place is full of racists.
Now I'm beginning to understand why Tupac said THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS THINGS WILL NEVER BE THA SAME!( even tho things are like this I'll never dump my girlfriend which is white,which loves me very much for various reasons)
If you were all so clever as you claim.. you should have noticed what I've said is stems from the rumours!
When I critisize Jay Zee or DMX you keep cool but when I critisize Eminem you say I'm a racist....this is pathetic...quick running to dissing..
You can say whatever you wanna say but I know why you hating on me. It's cause I said evil has come out of White people and they are now cool with all other races(which is true to those disillussioned).It's not this issue of Eminem.
And I'm sure there are some motherfuckers here who second what I say but they scared of coming out!
STILL
(and this is not gay to people living in the Southern Hemisphere,including australia and new zealand)
FUCK THE PEOPLE
(new slogan)
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haha... Amaru just delete your name and start over.. OR just shut up..
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SHUT UP WHAT??
Fuck the people
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--Points out to Amaru his best friend is black, he was raised in a black 'hood, etc.
Now, please explain how I'm racist and you're not? And why, if I'm racist, I listen to rap, a majority black genre? Or why I can totally relate to the films "Boyz N Tha Hood" and "Poetic Justice", and songs like "Changes", "Trapped", "Fuck The Police", etc?
You fuckin with the wrong cracker here, dawg. Youse a str8 bitch.
STILL born
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first off why you running away from that topic IN THE JUDGEMENT DAY?
What you are saying we don't know whether it's true or not.... it cannot be proved ..it's only you who knows about it!
try another defence!
hahhahhhhhahahhhaaa
Fuck the people
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First of all of us I got nothing against Eminem so what I'm about to say is just an opinion!
Eminem should stop copying Pac's style and all that stuff.
PUBLIC ENEMY came with their own thing.
NWA gave a motherfuck to the police.
TUPAC came in with something new,told us how fucked the world is! and Eminem is here now repeating tha same fuckin thing Pac was talking about! We need something new and fresh now!
It is rumoured that Eminem can't write a song without listening to Pac's music,so before he goes to the studio he first plays tupac to get some ideas what to write about and that's why his lyrics are almost the same as that of Pac Nigga.
what do you think ladies and gentlemen
STILL us all
still
The "Rumoured" Part Is B.S., Of Course. I Haven't Heard Hardly ANY Eminem Songs That Even Sound Similar To a Pac Song. Plus, Eminem Is Just Doing, With Rap, What White Kids Have Done With Rock And Metal For 30-50 Years. Come on Now. Bill Halley And The Comets Were Revolutionary When They Did "Rock Around The Clock" In 1954, Eminem Is The SAME Damn Thing, Just Newer. Same Subject.
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before you posted that shit ...you should have read all the replies first!
Fuck the people
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FUCK AMARU
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OHH!!God Here comes another racist!
Well I can see now it is beyond my powers ...I tried by all means to repent you all. Let me leave it to ALMIGHTY GOD to judge the evil.
Lastly I would like to call upon the Jews and some of the Indians to stop Zionism!
I just wanna leave you all with the following message and I want you all to remember it thru out the days of your lives!
IN THE EYES OF GOD WE ARE ALL THE SAME MOTHERFUCKERS
Fuck the people
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u is mad ... go get help from a psycologist ....
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Aiight Amaru, How gay are u gonna get? Just shut tha fuck up about Eminem, If u aint nuttin against Eminem, then why is 2/3 of yur posts puttin him down.............
Listen fool, Eminem Presents how fucked up tha world is in a White Man's point of view............Sure he might be influenced by famous legends like Pac, but wat rapper isn't?
Eminem sounds nuttin like Pac, and IMO he's more creative than pac when it comes 2 tha lyrics.............Pac waz more in yo face type shit..............
So In conclusion Amaru, just take yur head down and take a bite of yur one nut 4 makin yurself look like fuckhead dat u already waz.............
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banning a song that promotes violence against people who risk their lives to protect the citizens of this nation does not make someone a racist.. and yes you can hate someone of a different race without being racist..
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Yeah Riveira you trying to be diplomatic and that is appreciated unlike these ignorant motherfuckers who think they know much whereas they not.Ignorants are quick to diss rather than applying LOGIC and put forward their point of views,they act on their emotions rather than on their minds!
And I also dont think you are black!
LOL... Yo, Amaru, check this out: I don't have to walk around dissing every White cat I meet to prove to YOU that I'm actually Black. And I don't have to hate Eminem either... You got very strong ideas and like I said before I respect them, even though I may not agree with all of them (especially when it comes to the Pac/Eminem argument). However, I have met a whole lot of White kids in my life growing in Paris and London (I'm NOW a straight BROOKLYN representer... lol...) and I happen to have made tight ass interracial friendships. Artists like Ras Kass, Public Enemy, Scarface, Ice Cube, KRS-One and Dead Prez just to name a few all really stressed the necessity to discuss race matters, which I definitely agree with (since I'm here feelin' the "heat" from the cops every single day I live in New York). It doesn't mean I have to agree with whoever calls Whites "evil" and such (Ras Kass is very straight-forward on that subject by the way; check his earlier recordings...). And it doesn't mean I have to agree with YOU callin' all those kids "racists" just because they don't agree with you on the Pac/Em shit. Yo, let me keep it real: I know mad niggaz who love Em and mad White kids who hate him so I don't know how you go from your Pac/Em query to racist accusations. BOTTOM LINE, WE'RE ALL HERE TO DISCUSS HIP HOP AS AN ART FORM AND MUSIC GENRE. THERE'S NO NEED WHATSOEVER TO BRING RACE DILEMMAS TO THIS FORUM. You have all rights possible to feel strongly about certain questions and you better believe I respect that, but the only way you will able to convince people is by paying attention to what they say FIRST. And I read ALL the posts on this thread: most heads (Whites, Blacks, Purples, Greens, Yellows and every single color on the spectrum) just want you to either stop comparin' Pac and Em OR PROVE your point. Which you haven't done so far (I'm talkin' about PROVING how Eminem STOLE 2Pac's ideas)...
Good luck though, I'm fo' real and 1 Luv...
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woah.. i'm happy to know that i'm not the only one that thinks eminem and masta ace are similar... i loved disposable arts on a side note.. dope album.. y'all should pick it up..
Yeah dawg, u're referrin' to my 1st post and I'm glad to meet another REAL head (the only fact that you got Masta Ace's Disposable Arts is proof that u know the real shit)... All y'all should DEFINITELY check Masta Ace, enjoy a DOPE ASS album and see who REALLY influenced the otherwise great Slim Shady...
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SHUT UP WHAT??
Fuck the people
Shut your hole amaru..Your getting your self into shit man people already hated u know they hate u more man :-/
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the other day I heard some guy named Rakim who sounds exactly like Mannie Fresh! ;D
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oh and props to people for noticing the influence from Ace - Eminem... most people act like eminem invented the rhyme style he uses... I'm not trying to take anything away from him.. he's got definite mic skills.. but ace definitely influence him. their song "Hellbound" is awesome.. wish that Jay Black guy wasnt in the middle though....
Disposable Arts is my album of the year.. slightly ahead of Warren G & Chino XL
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FC protecting who?
the cops??
hehhehehehhe
If you are an honest person you'll remember that the system in US was against the black people!
If the president and his cabinet were not the racists then they should have done something to rectify the system.
The history speaks for itself...now you all act as if there is nothing wrong with you.Racism is a very serious desease cause you get dangerous to the society at large.Before you get cured you must first accept that you got that desease!
I'm sure 95% of you here are Whites and you are all pissed off about all the truth I'm delivering here especially to the topic IN THE JUDGEMENT DAY.
And I'm glad that I've exposed most of you how stupid you are!You know nothing except dissing.
It's clear now arguing like this will take us no where because you are still living in the PAST! And most of you here are apathetic....you disgraced me...I thought Whites of UK over that shit of illuminati!
I hope it was indeed educational by fucking you all up...even if you brought up your friends who are academic intellectuals ,mathematicians ,philosophers whatever from Cambridge or Oxford where ever I would still have fuck you all up together ONE TIME!
In summing up since in this world there is no truth I therefore allow these topics to come to an end.To all those Whites who are innocent my apology is expressed....to all those other motherfuckers I hope one day the HOLY SPIRIT will descend in UK and babtise all those mentally disturbed people there.I still got hope that oneday racism will be cured.
Hope we'll meet again in paradise.... if there is one!
May peace be with you all at your homes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK THE PEOPLE
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Man, Amaru, Y u gotta keep bringing up racist issues. We all different here, there's prolly ever type of race & culture here, ain't nobody tryin' to bring up this racist bullshit deliberatly unlike you, so jus' drop this shit man. Didn't I tell you nobody appreciates that here, didn't I tell you that your jus' bringing hate onto yourself? Don't u listen?
Damn, this is about hip-hop music not colour or creed.
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subject of racism being brought up on the board by a south african. ironic considering that countries record regarding race issues.
amaru... blaming/accusing whites of things is a *bad thing* every race has their good and bad people you'll only infuriate the good "white" people. yes there are racists amongst us. if you continue to blame "the whites" then you are being a hypocrite. blame the upper class people. be them white or black. every race and creed has bad people, you cant say all members of a race are bad just because one person from that race once did something to you or in history.
your comments above about the UK and oxford & camdridge show your biased ignorance and how little you know about life here.
the upper class rule, and clench (hog) the money with an iron fist. just because the coucil housing estates (read ghettos & projects) of the UK aren't filled with blacks doesn't mean that they aren't as bad.
racism is a disease, but so is greed.. and people who get money/power in any race are greedy.
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I think the way I pointed how I'm a fan of black musicians and singers, etc, wins me the argument.
Dawg, youse a straight bitch. I didn't run away from the Judgment Day thread. I just called you a bitch because you'll never understand anything apart from gay-sex and hitting springboks from behind.
If you weren't such a racist, you'd realize you post bullshit topics.
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Lastly I would like to call upon the Jews and some of the Indians to stop Zionism!
....what tha FUCK YO TERORIST ASS GOT AGAINST ZIONISM......you realy ain tha one who should talk bout racism...im jewish.....and if you think dat zionism got anything to do wit rasial hate.....or any other shit like what tha palestinian terrosit orgz iz liein their asses to tha world wit...witch makes other terroristz around tha world agtree wit their bullshit.....only cauze o tha simple fact of bein" nothin but another kind of terrorists.....
imo......go blow up some empty bus....if ya wanna die that much....
fuckin terrorist
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BTW, Amaru Bin Laden, where you bombing next? I wanna take a picture.
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BTW, Amaru Bin Laden, where you bombing next? I wanna take a picture.
Nah, it should be which white boy u gonna rape next?.......lol........Racist ass muthafucka.
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^^^LoL
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Not only is Eminem rapping like 2Pac, and Xzibit sounds like Will Smith
Britney Spears sounds just like Dre...Damn, I mean, listen, their voices are identicle...
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STILL me and your mom :o