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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on January 09, 2007, 08:46:38 PM
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This year is the perfect example of the Shaq trade. When it happened, people said it was the worst trade in basketball history, worst trade since Hershall Walker for the whole Minnesota draft that lead to building the Dallas championship teams, but in the end, the Lakers are proving why the trade. I did not agree with trading Bulter, but that lead to Brown joining the team, and his starting to become a proven center in the NBA, Grant had to be part of the deal to match Shaq's contract, and the most important part is Odom. The Lakers are better with him, as the stats prove, and now that his injuried, they still are doing well. The bottom line, once Odom returns, it's a b-line to the playoffs. And after winning the title last year, Miami is now old, and Shaq is injuried, and the Heat are looking like a lottery team. The Lakers have been building championship squads for decades, and now are 2 titles shy of breaking the Celtics record for NBA titles. Once they break that record, they will go down as the best basketball franchise, as their titles have come in many eras, like the 50's in Minnesota, the 70's, 80's and 2000's, along with challenging the Celtics in the 60's, and being a highly competative team in the 90's. This is why they traded Shaq, I am a Shaq fan, I like Shaq over Kobe, but I knew why it had to be done. I usually have kept quite since the Shaq trade, out of respect for Shaq, but his career is ending, and the Lakers gamble payed off. I still pray for a Miami/Lakers final, but it doesn't look like the Heat will be there.
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So lemme get this str8. In your opinion the Lakers are going to be representing the West in the NBA Finals this year?
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I'm saying they have a better chance of reppin the west than Miami does of reppin the east, which is why they traded Shaq. The short term, that trade looked bad, but long term, that trade is looking ingenious. Both teams got what they wanted, the Heat, a title within 2 years, the Lakers, a team to build on for the next 7-10.
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So lemme get this str8. In your opinion the Lakers are going to be representing the West in the NBA Finals this year?
Yes they are.
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So lemme get this str8. In your opinion the Lakers are going to be representing the West in the NBA Finals this year?
Yes they are.
wow thats a bold statement.
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Well, with these shitty losses to weak teams , I see it this way (though there are lots of games left) : we're probably gonna finish 4th or 5th of the Conf, beat Utah, then we'll face Dallas with a shot to beat them.. but the lack of Xperience and focus in games against weak teams cost us a top seed
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i hate the lakers but i admit there pretty good. 8)
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2008 & 2009 NBA Champions.
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I agree...See Jake, you should really take Mdogg as an example, he loves Shaq, yet he's still true to the Lakers=REAL FAN. Props...PeACe
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jewsylvania you said that it's not possible to 'love shaq' and 'love' the lakers,lol hypocrit
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mdogg that was a very well thought out argument , one in which i almost agree with 95% of . In a perspective, the lakers ARE in a better position (and lets remember that word position) to be NBA champions....the past few years(not only in basketball) have proven that any team can win it all.
no dominant teams ,and teams that should have won, have won. the no offense pistons win the championship over a hall of fame (granted beat up) laker squad that should have won it. the Steelers a wildcard team beats the division champion bengles then beats the nfls best team the colts then goes on to beat the nfc's best team the seakhawks, the boston red sox, historically the greatest no.2/3 finisher of all time, runs through the AL first round, then comes from behind to beat the arch nemesis that 'cursed' them, then goes on to beat a team that they easily could have gotten served by, the miami heat a very old relatively NEW team comes from behind to beat the mavericks a team that was hot off wins VS pheonix and the nba's best team the spurs.
so the lakers , who you said will most likely finish fourth or fifth, and for all intensive purposes would have finished at 3rd if the team was healthy, could be in a better (here's that word again) position to be nba champions , considering they're goign to the playoffs, the heat might not. but who's to say pheonix won't beat them again, who's to say the mavericks might get better and beat them, and oh shit there's still the spurs .....they just sleep eat and shit playoff mode all through out the season, so they could always win too. but again they're in good POSITION to overcome all that, and win it all, in which i hope they do.
but that's what COULD happen if everything goes right......but things really havn't gone right since shaq got traded. we don't make the playoffs one year, we get embarassed the next. while shaq's over there in miami sitting on another championship ,almost 2, in the same time it took the lakers to go to being in the finals to getting embarrassed. and granted one of the key players that couldn't do it in miami is now on our team. HISTORY right now is favoring the HEAT in this trade, you don't think if managment wouldn't have been more responsive to that petty kobe shaq shit that we would'nt have at least ONE MORE championship. odds are, considering what has happened in the last two years if the lakers and shaq find a happy medium, the lakers' last memory of the finals is not the piston loss, and the last memory of the playoffs is not an embarressment.
sure though yes the lakers are in a better POSITION to help balance history, but until they DO IT in the next 10 years or so, shaq is still sitting over there with the last laugh, primetime sanders c/o 95' style. even if the heat miss the playoffs. and the lakers make it the next 10 years. History is measured in how many championship banners you have up in your arena, not how consistant you were over the years. until my team proves me wrong, IMO we would have had a deeper richer history if management would have kept shaq and worked things out. but i'm still waiting to be proved wrong.
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could have done without the racist comment ;) but +1 for the onpoint response about the crazy world of sports..
Shit im scared to bet anymore, cuz things are more hectic and unpredictable in sports then i can ever remember.
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jewsylvania you said that it's not possible to 'love shaq' and 'love' the lakers,lol hypocrit
::dissmissing jewsylvania::
^^Only a Heat fan would make some shit like that up... :grumpy:
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mdogg that was a very well thought out argument , one in which i almost agree with 95% of . In a perspective, the lakers ARE in a better position (and lets remember that word position) to be NBA champions....the past few years(not only in basketball) have proven that any team can win it all.
no dominant teams ,and teams that should have won, have won. the no offense pistons win the championship over a hall of fame (granted beat up) laker squad that should have won it. the Steelers a wildcard team beats the division champion bengles then beats the nfls best team the colts then goes on to beat the nfc's best team the seakhawks, the boston red sox, historically the greatest no.2/3 finisher of all time, runs through the AL first round, then comes from behind to beat the arch nemesis that 'cursed' them, then goes on to beat a team that they easily could have gotten served by, the miami heat a very old relatively NEW team comes from behind to beat the mavericks a team that was hot off wins VS pheonix and the nba's best team the spurs.
so the lakers , who you said will most likely finish fourth or fifth, and for all intensive purposes would have finished at 3rd if the team was healthy, could be in a better (here's that word again) position to be nba champions , considering they're goign to the playoffs, the heat might not. but who's to say pheonix won't beat them again, who's to say the mavericks might get better and beat them, and oh shit there's still the spurs .....they just sleep eat and shit playoff mode all through out the season, so they could always win too. but again they're in good POSITION to overcome all that, and win it all, in which i hope they do.
but that's what COULD happen if everything goes right......but things really havn't gone right since shaq got traded. we don't make the playoffs one year, we get embarassed the next. while shaq's over there in miami sitting on another championship ,almost 2, in the same time it took the lakers to go to being in the finals to getting embarrassed. and granted one of the key players that couldn't do it in miami is now on our team. HISTORY right now is favoring the HEAT in this trade, you don't think if managment wouldn't have been more responsive to that petty kobe shaq shit that we would'nt have at least ONE MORE championship. odds are, considering what has happened in the last two years if the lakers and shaq find a happy medium, the lakers' last memory of the finals is not the piston loss, and the last memory of the playoffs is not an embarressment.
sure though yes the lakers are in a better POSITION to help balance history, but until they DO IT in the next 10 years or so, shaq is still sitting over there with the last laugh, primetime sanders c/o 95' style. even if the heat miss the playoffs. and the lakers make it the next 10 years. History is measured in how many championship banners you have up in your arena, not how consistant you were over the years. until my team proves me wrong, IMO we would have had a deeper richer history if management would have kept shaq and worked things out. but i'm still waiting to be proved wrong.
Do you realize how ridiculous that last quote is? Shaq was asking 30 MILL A YEAR THROUGH 2010, THAT MEANS WE COULDNT AFFORD KOBE AND WE'D BE STUCK WITH A FAT, UNCONDITIONED SHAQ ON OUR PAYROLL FOR YEARS TO COME. Man, honestly, I'm not tryna degrade you or anything, but some of the stuff you say is flat out absurd, especially for a Laker fan to be saying it...That's why you make people wonder if you have more love for Shaq than you do for the Lakers. LMAO@Lakers getting embarassed last season, they almost upset a number 2 seed when they were predicted by most analysts to finish in the bottom of the league. We are taking steps to becoming a dynasty, we are not the Heat, we don't settle for 1 championship and retire Michael Jordan jerseys, we are the LAKERS...Shaq didn't win the Heat a championship, the league did, and even if you don't believe that the refs favored the Heat in the finals (<LMAO if you don't), the most you can say was Wade won it for them...Bottom line is, the trade was terrible for Miami, maybe they got what they wanted, but we all know how much better shape they'd be in right now if the trade never went down, and just IMAGINE how awful the Heat management would be looking right now if the league never handed the Heat the trophy last season (making them the worst champions of all time)...See, I can talk about this all day, but it's when you start with your childish "Jewselvaynia" remarks that it starts getting pathetic to have these discussions...PeACe
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So lemme get this str8. In your opinion the Lakers are going to be representing the West in the NBA Finals this year?
Yes they are.
wow thats a bold statement.
I said this before the season began and the way they've been playing makes me more of a believer. Mark my words and remember where you heard it first.
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So lemme get this str8. In your opinion the Lakers are going to be representing the West in the NBA Finals this year?
Yes they are.
wow thats a bold statement.
I said this before the season began
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So lemme get this str8. In your opinion the Lakers are going to be representing the West in the NBA Finals this year?
Yes they are.
wow thats a bold statement.
I said this before the season began and the way they've been playing makes me more of a believer. Mark my words and remember where you heard it first.
Don't forget who co-signed your statement. ;)
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So lemme get this str8. In your opinion the Lakers are going to be representing the West in the NBA Finals this year?
Yes they are.
wow thats a bold statement.
I said this before the season began and the way they've been playing makes me more of a believer. Mark my words and remember where you heard it first.
Don't forget who co-signed your statement. ;)
haha...that's right. Ted knows what's good.
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Do you realize how ridiculous that last quote is? Shaq was asking 30 MILL A YEAR THROUGH 2010, THAT MEANS WE COULDNT AFFORD KOBE AND WE'D BE STUCK WITH A FAT, UNCONDITIONED SHAQ ON OUR PAYROLL FOR YEARS TO COME.
I think the Lakers could have used the Larry Bird Exception to resign Kobe if Shaq stayed with the Lakers.
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Do you realize how ridiculous that last quote is? Shaq was asking 30 MILL A YEAR THROUGH 2010, THAT MEANS WE COULDNT AFFORD KOBE AND WE'D BE STUCK WITH A FAT, UNCONDITIONED SHAQ ON OUR PAYROLL FOR YEARS TO COME.
I think the Lakers could have used the Larry Bird Exception to resign Kobe if Shaq stayed with the Lakers.
Yea, that was really gunna happen!...LOL.
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Do you realize how ridiculous that last quote is? Shaq was asking 30 MILL A YEAR THROUGH 2010, THAT MEANS WE COULDNT AFFORD KOBE AND WE'D BE STUCK WITH A FAT, UNCONDITIONED SHAQ ON OUR PAYROLL FOR YEARS TO COME.
I think the Lakers could have used the Larry Bird Exception to resign Kobe if Shaq stayed with the Lakers.
Yea, that was really gunna happen!...LOL.
If they had stopped arguing the Lakers could have signed both of them. The problem, like you stated, is that they wouldn't be able to afford any quality players had they given Shaq $30 million a year.
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^and Kobe was a free-agent (and probably would've left had Shaq got the extension he was begging for). Right now the Lakers would be: Shaq and any players they could get for the minimum. And seeing how Shaq likes to take his yearly vacation, the Lakers would be the worse team in the league.
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Do you realize how ridiculous that last quote is? Shaq was asking 30 MILL A YEAR THROUGH 2010, THAT MEANS WE COULDNT AFFORD KOBE AND WE'D BE STUCK WITH A FAT, UNCONDITIONED SHAQ ON OUR PAYROLL FOR YEARS TO COME.
I think the Lakers could have used the Larry Bird Exception to resign Kobe if Shaq stayed with the Lakers.
Yea, that was really gunna happen!...LOL.
If they had stopped arguing the Lakers could have signed both of them. The problem, like you stated, is that they wouldn't be able to afford any quality players had they given Shaq $30 million a year.
They couldn't have signed both of them, Shaq was getting too jealous of Kobe taking over. In his mind it woulda' tarnished his reputation and his previous 3 rings... :-\
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Do you realize how ridiculous that last quote is? Shaq was asking 30 MILL A YEAR THROUGH 2010, THAT MEANS WE COULDNT AFFORD KOBE AND WE'D BE STUCK WITH A FAT, UNCONDITIONED SHAQ ON OUR PAYROLL FOR YEARS TO COME.
I think the Lakers could have used the Larry Bird Exception to resign Kobe if Shaq stayed with the Lakers.
Yea, that was really gunna happen!...LOL.
If they had stopped arguing the Lakers could have signed both of them. The problem, like you stated, is that they wouldn't be able to afford any quality players had they given Shaq $30 million a year.
They couldn't have signed both of them, Shaq was getting too jealous of Kobe taking over. In his mind it woulda' tarnished his reputation and his previous 3 rings... :-\
I know. That's why I said "if they had stopped arguing".
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This year is the perfect example of the Shaq trade. When it happened, people said it was the worst trade in basketball history, worst trade since Hershall Walker for the whole Minnesota draft that lead to building the Dallas championship teams, but in the end, the Lakers are proving why the trade. I did not agree with trading Bulter, but that lead to Brown joining the team, and his starting to become a proven center in the NBA, Grant had to be part of the deal to match Shaq's contract, and the most important part is Odom. The Lakers are better with him, as the stats prove, and now that his injuried, they still are doing well. The bottom line, once Odom returns, it's a b-line to the playoffs. And after winning the title last year, Miami is now old, and Shaq is injuried, and the Heat are looking like a lottery team. The Lakers have been building championship squads for decades, and now are 2 titles shy of breaking the Celtics record for NBA titles. Once they break that record, they will go down as the best basketball franchise, as their titles have come in many eras, like the 50's in Minnesota, the 70's, 80's and 2000's, along with challenging the Celtics in the 60's, and being a highly competative team in the 90's. This is why they traded Shaq, I am a Shaq fan, I like Shaq over Kobe, but I knew why it had to be done. I usually have kept quite since the Shaq trade, out of respect for Shaq, but his career is ending, and the Lakers gamble payed off. I still pray for a Miami/Lakers final, but it doesn't look like the Heat will be there.
Personally, I hated the Shaq trade with a passion. I was a Shaq guy during the championship years and I wasn't much of a fan of Kobe's. In fact I started following Shaq when he was at LSU and I hoped back then he would end up in P&G and when it happened in '96 I couldn't have been more ecstatic.
Anyway, it looks quite apparent that Buss and Kupchak made the right decision in trading Shaq. The truth was that Shaq was just as responsible for the turmoil in LA as Kobe was and Shaq was already declining and just getting fatter and fatter while Kobe was on top of his game and had a much stronger work ethic. It was a tough decision but there is a reason why they are the ones making the decisions and not the fans or the media. They saw what was happening behind the scenes and made the correct decision.
Now we see Kobe playing MVP caliber basketball and Odom developing as a player. Miami did get a championship but they have handicapped themselves with $20,000,000 for the next 4 years for a lazy player that's a shell of his former self. Miami benefited in the short term but I think we'll benefit in the long run. We're right in the mix of things and it only took one bad year for things to right themselves. We have a great record despite injuries and once Odom and Kwame get back, we'll be right there with Dallas and SA as contenders.
I can never hate Shaq but Buss made the right decision, even if I didn't like it at the time.
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it was a good trade for both teams...Heat wanted a championship, and as u saw, riley put together a team last year that would win one, and it happened. Lakers needed youngers guys, and now they have turned into an actual threat in the west and they have some serious young talent. In our opinions it may have been a bad trade for one of the teams, but at the end of the day..both teams got what they wanted, and if u ask buss or riley if they would do it agin...im sure they would both say yeeesss.
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it was a good trade for both teams...Heat wanted a championship, and as u saw, riley put together a team last year that would win one, and it happened. Lakers needed youngers guys, and now they have turned into an actual threat in the west and they have some serious young talent. In our opinions it may have been a bad trade for one of the teams, but at the end of the day..both teams got what they wanted, and if u ask buss or riley if they would do it agin...im sure they would both say yeeesss.
couldn't have said it better myself.
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considering shaq helped take that team from bottom seed to top seed the year he gets traded and almost gets to the championship his first year with the fuckin heat....tells me this
the lakers with shaq and kobe could have done the same if kobe shaq management works shit out
considering shaq helped take that same team to the championship the following year with a lesser co captain than kobe.....the lakers could have easily won it as well.
so that's 2 championships that the lakers potentially traded away.....
who's to say if management doesn't squash this beef between kobe and shaq and we get both players to be happy with playing with the team and contracts....we don't get two more championships?
history is STILL out wether this trade was good or not.....the lakers can still LOSE every year in the first round of the playoffs for the next 10 years. the next championship the lakers win will determine how good this trade was.
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^ wouldn't surprise me if Shaq didn't want to win another championship with the Lakers just so Kobe couldn't get one. Had he just behaved with the Lakers the way he did with the Heat, the Lakers could be on the verge of a 2nd 3-peat.
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Yea, Jake, what's this you're going on about now? Shaq didn't wanna take a pay-cut or get in shape for the Lakers like he did for the Heat...And he definitely didn't wanna defer to Kobe like he did for Wade...PeACe
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Yea, Jake, what's this you're going on about now? Shaq didn't wanna take a pay-cut or get in shape for the Lakers like he did for the Heat...And he definitely didn't wanna defer to Kobe like he did for Wade...PeACe
When someone take a team from the bottom to the top pretty much by themselves, they don't deserve a pay cut. Shaq is going to make any team he plays for a contender, and his salary should reflect that.
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Yea, Jake, what's this you're going on about now? Shaq didn't wanna take a pay-cut or get in shape for the Lakers like he did for the Heat...And he definitely didn't wanna defer to Kobe like he did for Wade...PeACe
When someone take a team from the bottom to the top pretty much by themselves, they don't deserve a pay cut. Shaq is going to make any team he plays for a contender, and his salary should reflect that.
Shaq didn't deserve a pay-cut? He deserved $30 mill a year through 2010 to be an out-of-shape, unconditioned player instead of $20 mill? :laugh:
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Yea, Jake, what's this you're going on about now? Shaq didn't wanna take a pay-cut or get in shape for the Lakers like he did for the Heat...And he definitely didn't wanna defer to Kobe like he did for Wade...PeACe
When someone take a team from the bottom to the top pretty much by themselves, they don't deserve a pay cut. Shaq is going to make any team he plays for a contender, and his salary should reflect that.
Shaq didn't deserve a pay-cut? He deserved $30 mill a year through 2010 to be an out-of-shape, unconditioned player instead of $20 mill? :laugh:
In 04-05 when he was traded, the Heat went 59-23, making them a contender in the Eastern Conference. Out of shape or not, Shaq was the sole reason it happened, and he should be paid accordingly. Just look at Miami since he's been hurt. They aren't even a .500 team.
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Yea, Jake, what's this you're going on about now? Shaq didn't wanna take a pay-cut or get in shape for the Lakers like he did for the Heat...And he definitely didn't wanna defer to Kobe like he did for Wade...PeACe
When someone take a team from the bottom to the top pretty much by themselves, they don't deserve a pay cut. Shaq is going to make any team he plays for a contender, and his salary should reflect that.
Shaq didn't deserve a pay-cut? He deserved $30 mill a year through 2010 to be an out-of-shape, unconditioned player instead of $20 mill? :laugh:
In 04-05 when he was traded, the Heat went 59-23, making them a contender in the Eastern Conference. Out of shape or not, Shaq was the sole reason it happened, and he should be paid accordingly. Just look at Miami since he's been hurt. They aren't even a .500 team.
Yeah look at Miami now...playing without him (like always).
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Yea, Jake, what's this you're going on about now? Shaq didn't wanna take a pay-cut or get in shape for the Lakers like he did for the Heat...And he definitely didn't wanna defer to Kobe like he did for Wade...PeACe
When someone take a team from the bottom to the top pretty much by themselves, they don't deserve a pay cut. Shaq is going to make any team he plays for a contender, and his salary should reflect that.
Shaq didn't deserve a pay-cut? He deserved $30 mill a year through 2010 to be an out-of-shape, unconditioned player instead of $20 mill? :laugh:
In 04-05 when he was traded, the Heat went 59-23, making them a contender in the Eastern Conference. Out of shape or not, Shaq was the sole reason it happened, and he should be paid accordingly. Just look at Miami since he's been hurt. They aren't even a .500 team.
Who was going to play with Shaq in L.A.? :stupid:
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Yea, Jake, what's this you're going on about now? Shaq didn't wanna take a pay-cut or get in shape for the Lakers like he did for the Heat...And he definitely didn't wanna defer to Kobe like he did for Wade...PeACe
When someone take a team from the bottom to the top pretty much by themselves, they don't deserve a pay cut. Shaq is going to make any team he plays for a contender, and his salary should reflect that.
Shaq didn't deserve a pay-cut? He deserved $30 mill a year through 2010 to be an out-of-shape, unconditioned player instead of $20 mill? :laugh:
In 04-05 when he was traded, the Heat went 59-23, making them a contender in the Eastern Conference. Out of shape or not, Shaq was the sole reason it happened, and he should be paid accordingly. Just look at Miami since he's been hurt. They aren't even a .500 team.
But when he was traded to the Heat he recommited himself over the summer and got back in shape. When he was with the Lakers he was showing up to training camp out of shape ever year. If Shaq asked for the kind of money he got when he resigned with the Heat, the Lakers would have resigned him, instead he asked for $30 million a year.
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Yea, Jake, what's this you're going on about now? Shaq didn't wanna take a pay-cut or get in shape for the Lakers like he did for the Heat...And he definitely didn't wanna defer to Kobe like he did for Wade...PeACe
When someone take a team from the bottom to the top pretty much by themselves, they don't deserve a pay cut. Shaq is going to make any team he plays for a contender, and his salary should reflect that.
Shaq didn't deserve a pay-cut? He deserved $30 mill a year through 2010 to be an out-of-shape, unconditioned player instead of $20 mill? :laugh:
In 04-05 when he was traded, the Heat went 59-23, making them a contender in the Eastern Conference. Out of shape or not, Shaq was the sole reason it happened, and he should be paid accordingly. Just look at Miami since he's been hurt. They aren't even a .500 team.
Who was going to play with Shaq in L.A.? :stupid:
So what? He could have stayed with an all-star caliber team, took a pay cut and won a championship. Instead, he went to a mediocre team, and ascended them to a championship team without all of the Laker's talent. He earned his status and shouldn't have to take a pay cut just because the Lakers wanted him to. He can obviously win elsewhere, even without the talent the Lakers have.
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Yea, Jake, what's this you're going on about now? Shaq didn't wanna take a pay-cut or get in shape for the Lakers like he did for the Heat...And he definitely didn't wanna defer to Kobe like he did for Wade...PeACe
When someone take a team from the bottom to the top pretty much by themselves, they don't deserve a pay cut. Shaq is going to make any team he plays for a contender, and his salary should reflect that.
Shaq didn't deserve a pay-cut? He deserved $30 mill a year through 2010 to be an out-of-shape, unconditioned player instead of $20 mill? :laugh:
In 04-05 when he was traded, the Heat went 59-23, making them a contender in the Eastern Conference. Out of shape or not, Shaq was the sole reason it happened, and he should be paid accordingly. Just look at Miami since he's been hurt. They aren't even a .500 team.
Who was going to play with Shaq in L.A.? :stupid:
So what? He could have stayed with an all-star caliber team, took a pay cut and won a championship. Instead, he went to a mediocre team, and ascended them to a championship team without all of the Laker's talent. He earned his status and shouldn't have to take a pay cut just because the Lakers wanted him to. He can obviously win elsewhere, even without the talent the Lakers have.
Everything you are saying is something a piece of shit Shaq dickrider/Kobe hater would say. Didn't you say you hate Kobe & The Lakers with a Passion?
Anyways...you're all over the place..You're not making any fucking sense....
What all-stars are you talking about?....
Do you know why Dr.Buss wanted shaq to take a pay-cut? Kobe was a Free Agent, He wanted shaq to take a pay-cut so he could keep both players. Dr.Buss couldn't afford to give shaq and Kobe BIG Contracts. Kobe sacrifice his game and numbers for shaq all those years why couldn't shaq do the Same? Couse shaq is a bitch. He couldn't handle the fact the he was fallin off and the Lakers wanted to start thinking about the future, WTF is wrong with that? Shaq went all crazy and was saying shit like "im not going to take a back seat to anyone" ...& "Im not KG, im not going to take a pay-cut"...Shaq also yelled at Dr,Buss during a pre-season game (After a dunk shaq turned to Dr.buss and yelled "you gonna pay me now muthafucka") And Dr.Buss was still nice enough to affore him a contract extension. It wasn't what shaq wanted , he wanted a 3 years 90 mill contract extention to go with his 2year 46 mill left on his OG Contract. Shaq put Dr.buss in position where he had to chose between Shaq or Kobe. Dr.Buss didn't feel comfortable giving shaq all that money b/c shaq always came to camp out of shape, miss a bunch of games b/c of injuries, he was fallen off (as proving the last 2 years putting up career low numbers in regular season and playoffs) The year before Shaq told the media "Im going to have my surjurie during company time" ..Shaq was the sole reason why we didn't win our 4th staright championship.....and a year later he has the nerve to yell at Dr.Buss to give him a contract extension? :o
And who was going to be that other superstar to play with Shaq? there wasn't going to be no Kobe, or D.Wade or anyone to play with shaq in L.A. and you're going to give all that money to shaq when he's not even in his prime putting up big numbers?
By keeping kobe you get a player who's 26 years old to build around, in his prime and could put up big numbers....and you were going to get him for cheaper.
This trade wan't about the heat...it was about the Lakers and their future. and the future is looking real good right now 8) 8) 8)
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Yea, Jake, what's this you're going on about now? Shaq didn't wanna take a pay-cut or get in shape for the Lakers like he did for the Heat...And he definitely didn't wanna defer to Kobe like he did for Wade...PeACe
When someone take a team from the bottom to the top pretty much by themselves, they don't deserve a pay cut. Shaq is going to make any team he plays for a contender, and his salary should reflect that.
Shaq didn't deserve a pay-cut? He deserved $30 mill a year through 2010 to be an out-of-shape, unconditioned player instead of $20 mill? :laugh:
In 04-05 when he was traded, the Heat went 59-23, making them a contender in the Eastern Conference. Out of shape or not, Shaq was the sole reason it happened, and he should be paid accordingly. Just look at Miami since he's been hurt. They aren't even a .500 team.
Who was going to play with Shaq in L.A.? :stupid:
So what? He could have stayed with an all-star caliber team, took a pay cut and won a championship. Instead, he went to a mediocre team, and ascended them to a championship team without all of the Laker's talent. He earned his status and shouldn't have to take a pay cut just because the Lakers wanted him to. He can obviously win elsewhere, even without the talent the Lakers have.
Everything you are saying is something a piece of shit Shaq dickrider/Kobe hater would say. Didn't you say you hate Kobe & The Lakers with a Passion?
Anyways...you're all over the place..You're not making any fucking sense....
What all-stars are you talking about?....
Do you know why Dr.Buss wanted shaq to take a pay-cut? Kobe was a Free Agent, He wanted shaq to take a pay-cut so he could keep both players. Dr.Buss couldn't afford to give shaq and Kobe BIG Contracts. Kobe sacrifice his game and numbers for shaq all those years why couldn't shaq do the Same? Couse shaq is a bitch. He couldn't handle the fact the he was fallin off and the Lakers wanted to start thinking about the future, WTF is wrong with that? Shaq went all crazy and was saying shit like "im not going to take a back seat to anyone" ...& "Im not KG, im not going to take a pay-cut"...Shaq also yelled at Dr,Buss during a pre-season game (After a dunk shaq turned to Dr.buss and yelled "you gonna pay me now muthafucka") And Dr.Buss was still nice enough to affore him a contract extension. It wasn't what shaq wanted , he wanted a 3 years 90 mill contract extention to go with his 2year 46 mill left on his OG Contract. Shaq put Dr.buss in position where he had to chose between Shaq or Kobe. Dr.Buss didn't feel comfortable giving shaq all that money b/c shaq always came to camp out of shape, miss a bunch of games b/c of injuries, he was fallen off (as proving the last 2 years putting up career low numbers in regular season and playoffs) The year before Shaq told the media "Im going to have my surjurie during company time" ..Shaq was the sole reason why we didn't win our 4th staright championship.....and a year later he has the nerve to yell at Dr.Buss to give him a contract extension? :o
And who was going to be that other superstar to play with Shaq? there wasn't going to be no Kobe, or D.Wade or anyone to play with shaq in L.A. and you're going to give all that money to shaq when he's not even in his prime putting up big numbers?
By keeping kobe you get a player who's 26 years old to build around, in his prime and could put up big numbers....and you were going to get him for cheaper.
This trade wan't about the heat...it was about the Lakers and their future. and the future is looking real good right now 8) 8) 8)
You are very correct. I hate the Lakers and Kobe. BUT that doesn't mean I think they aren't talented. As far as I'm concerned, the improvements he has made since he has been with Miami proves he deserves a big contract. There is obviously something all of us missed between Shaq and the Lakers which had Shaq showing up every year out of shape. I doubt it was money. Now that he is with another team, he is getting paid and he is getting in shape. Basically, it worked out for everyone, so why is everyone still whining about it?
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^^What the hell are you talking about, man? Shaq has put up career lows with Miami and has been injured every season since he got there...LOL
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^^What the hell are you talking about, man? Shaq has put up career lows with Miami and has been injured every season since he got there...LOL
LOL that dude actually said Shaq has improved since coming to Miami hahaha WTF! Yeah they won a title (although they shouldnt have) but how can you say Shaq has improved since coming to Miami LMAO
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^^What the hell are you talking about, man? Shaq has put up career lows with Miami and has been injured every season since he got there...LOL
LOL that dude actually said Shaq has improved since coming to Miami hahaha WTF! Yeah they won a title (although they shouldnt have) but how can you say Shaq has improved since coming to Miami LMAO
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^^What the hell are you talking about, man? Shaq has put up career lows with Miami and has been injured every season since he got there...LOL
LOL that dude actually said Shaq has improved since coming to Miami hahaha WTF! Yeah they won a title (although they shouldnt have) but how can you say Shaq has improved since coming to Miami LMAO
Well he did in the beginning. Remember he lost like 20 pounds, started practicing his free-throw shooting, and said he wouldn't mind taking a back seat to Wade? Pretty much all the things he had too much pride to do in L.A.
But since then he's been the same old Shaq. Taking his usual 3 month vacations, acting like an immature jackass in every interview, and making his teammates carry his weight.
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My quip here is really why is everyone getting their panties in a bunch over Shaq. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If he hadn't gotten hurt, he would have put up the same numbers he's been putting up since he was traded, and which won Miami a title.
In the end it's a win-win situation for everyone so stop acting like little girls and let it go. You have to look at it from both sides instead of just the side you want to see. The Lakers have plent of talent with or without Shaq.
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Homie, have you watched Shaq play since the trade? He was NEVER the dominant force he was in LA. yea, he lost weight and tried getting in shape for a change when he first got to Miami, but he was already too old and still ended up putting up career lows year after year...It obviously wasn't a win situation for the Heat, seeing as where they are right now, with Shaq still getting $20 mill a year through 2010... :-X
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funny how shaq finished a close second in mvp voting the year after the trade , 8)
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still ended up putting up career lows year after year...
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a great athlete once said
"personal accomplishments and statistics don't mean anything unless you have the hardware to back them up"
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a great athlete once said
"personal accomplishments and statistics don't mean anything unless you have the hardware to back them up"
Steve Kerr?...LOL.
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a great athlete once said
"personal accomplishments and statistics don't mean anything unless you have the hardware to back them up"
That's not really sayin much. I mean...Devean George has 3 rings, yet Barkley, Malone, and Stockton have none.
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This is another bitch that looks at the Lakers situation as a shaq groupie. Instead of getting mad that shaq broke up his favorite team, he says things like "The LAkers went to the lottery when they traded shaq, shaq is great" :grumpy: Fake ass Lakers fan
funny how shaq finished a close second in mvp voting the year after the trade , 8)
that had nothing to do with the media dickriding shaq and trying to make Kobe & The Lakers franchise look bad ::) ::)