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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Nino_Brown on October 26, 2001, 07:20:05 AM
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JAY Z walks it!
its gotta be JAY Z, if pac & big were still here chances are it would be them. but Jay-Z walks it for me tho from back with Jaz, in the late 80's "Hawaiian Sophie" shit. underground mix tapes, his shit with Original Flavor's in 93 "Can I Get Open" & then TOOK OVER HIP HOP IN 95!
Jigga jigaa
wot you all think
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Doc holiday in this beootch
Don Mega in this mutha
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I wanna say Snoop cuz he had Doggystyle, plus a huge part in the ChroNIC, and those two albums are both in the top 5 of the 90's. Noone else can claim that. So, i gotta give it to Snoop, even though Jay Z has killed it since 95.
And i gotta say, if Pac woulda been around, it would likely be him cuz he would still be making hits and sellin crazy copies.
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Id say Pac is the man of the 1990s and I hope Snoop will be the man of the 2000s ( I dont want anybody take this place except him).
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Either Snoop Or Method Man, Snoop was Great b4 he went to No Limit, then he went down hill...although from recent tracks his style is coming back
But I'll have to say Method Man. Could b cuz i'm a big Wu Fan and think he's got mad vibe. He's got energy that i ain't feelin from most mc's.
Method Man you tha Rapper of the Century, Closely followed by Snoop tho
Stik
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hmm i'd say snoop and/or 2pac
-{bLaDe}
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Dr.Dre is my number one choice. I mean.. 2Pac was so damn great, but he got too many beefs. Jay-Z.. yeah he was cool, but Pac was better when he was alive. So.. my pick is Dr.Dre. Even Mary J.Blige wanted to work with him. I'm sure there's a reason. Plus i say Dr.Dre cause he's a producer (the best) too, not only a rapper.
But other than that Pac is the greatest (for his life, etc..)
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Dre's not a rapper by choice. He just rapz. He has a mad list of Ghost writers. He should stick to producin not rapper. Anyway He's gettin into his 40's now. That's why he's makin one last cd. then (from what i heard) he's off to Produce for Ruff Rydaz. Dre ain't got talent when it comes to rappin.
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TOOK OVER HIP HOP IN 95!
Umm. He didn't take over Hip Hop in '95. He took over Hip Hop when he dropped the album Vol. 2 : Hard Knock Life. That was his first album that took him to multi-platinum sales and that was in '98. 2Pac was on top in '96 and B.I.G. was on top in '97. Jay-Z didn't even release his debut in '95. It was in '96 and 2Pac ruled that year without any doubt. Reasonable Doubt just recently turned gold so how did he take over the rap game in '95? Jay-Z does make a great candidate for Rapper Of The Decade though. 2Pac, B.I.G., Cube, LL, Snoop, The Wu, or Dr. Dre would be my other choices because they have impacted Hip Hop more or as much as Jay-Z.
FUCK IT! Give the title to 2Pac! Tupac Amaru Shakur! Makaveli!
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I wouldn't go wit Dre unless it was producer of the decade.
My choice: Snoop Doggy Dogg
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Jay-Z? hell no. 2pac by far is the rapper of the decade. He used his popularity to spread meaningful messages (Happy Home, Words 2 my First Born, Dear Mama), while Jay-Z has done his usual sex, weed, and now dissing. Jay-Z doesn't impress me. He is extremely popular at the moment, yet he is not using it to spread around somewhat meaningful mesages. Plus, 5 years after his death, people still talk about 2pac as if he is still here. No offense to Biggie, but people don't talk about him in the same light as they do Pac. It's amazing that someone who hasn't recorded a song since 1996 can top the charts on more than one occasion. Any deceased person with that much of a following deserves the title of "Rapper of the Decade" by a lanslide.
I would not consider dre rapper of the decade. Though he changed rap music, he wasn't, and still isn't much of a rapper. If someone has to have someone write the majority of their songs for them, I'd consider them more entertainer than artist.
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We all know that even the oldest granny in the world knows that Tupac Shakur is the best fucking rapper ever existed on this motherfucking planet.
Do you all remember how was the atmosphere when ME AGAINST THE WORLD was released?
What about ALL EYEZ ON ME?
If ALL EYEZ ON ME was to be released today it would sell more than 30 million units across the global village!
They all competed with Tupac but they failed including Jay Z
Nas, Biggie you name them. Tupac overshadowed them all!
STILL
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i would have to say pac.. even though he's dead.. i mean pac really did but gangst rap on the map at that time.........
so my rapper of the decade would have to be 2pac closely followed by Snoop..
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No he didn't, Snoop and dre did.
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i think it would be snoop. 2pac was more consistent by always putting out good stuff but snoop had major roles in some of the greatest albums ever in my opinion..[chronic, dogg food, doggystyle, 2001] then snoop had some other good tracks from his no limit albums [bitch please, lay low]..
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snoop dogg , definatly... how many classic song he made n shits,,, woooff can't be jay-z , that nigga so fucker he said he was the best artist ever on an interview at bet,,, fuck him then he says , if it'S not me who will it be... nobody " the punk ass he put biggie on the second place tho but that just some bullshit snoop dogg is the now no one can touch him, he just shake the haters off pleezbaleevit,, he shake the hater like iverson shake .... ;D
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dre
start it with The Chronic
ended it with 2001
although he's not a "Pure MC" he is a rapper, because he raps plain and simple (regardless of whether he writes his own shit etc).
filled in bits with EFIL4ZAGGIN, Doggystyle.. ohh and introduced the world to Eminem.
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.. ohh and introduced the world to Eminem.
is it me or timbo tryin to do the same with bubba ,,, dawm yesterday i got caught listening ugly n start luvin it >:( ... switch it back one time ;D
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And Sticky Toes, officially, knows NOTHING about rap, LoL. :) Playin...
I would have to say: Fredro Starr, alive
2Pac, overall
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2pac duh
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i'm sayin 2pac/Snoop.. both tight
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snoop deserves that title for the early 90's whith out a DOUBT, but not for the whole decade
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FUCK IT! Give the title to 2Pac! Tupac Amaru Shakur! Makaveli!
you said it homie. Even tho he got took from us in 96, he left a big enough stamp to last those extra four years.
Dre was producer of the decade tho.
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Puffy, wit out a doubt, its gotta be puffy, nah, but seriously proberly Pac, but a strong argument can be made for Dre even though he aint really a rapper, he can do whatever he wants an pretty much every1 will follow. Tha only person who ha done more for rap is maybe russel simmons
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Ice Cube.
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what're the criteria here? skills? popularity? consistency? name-recognition?
personally i think cats like Q-Tip, Chuck D, Black Thought, Common and Rakim deserve consideration... they've all got the credentials... i realize they're not the commercially acceptable choice.. but in my opinion these cats have all put out more quality shit in 1990-2000 than Jigga ( i hate 3 of his albums.. but he has 2 dope ones and once nice one)... Tupac... I really like Me Against The World... and All Eyez On Me.. but other than that I can't get into much of it... Biggie.. nah... one and a half good albums doesnt do it for me...
now as for the cats I mentioned above:
Q-Tip: as headman of Tribe he laced us with 5 albums, all good... 4 of them great. Low End Theory, Midnight Mauraders, Beats Rhymes & Life and Peoples Instinctive Travels... are all near flawless. Love Movement was solid.. the only flaw on his record is his solo album... which most people found a bit overly pop-ish and lacking focus/energy.
Chuck D: C'mon now. Everyone must give Chuck his props... from 1990-2000 he's been involved in 6 Public Enemy LPs.. including the classic Fear Of A Black Planet and the He Got Game soundtrack. He also released an incredibly dope and underrated Solo album called "The Autobiography Of Mistachuck". His book was well written and on point for the most part... and he's never compromised his message or values for $. He brings energy to the mic most rappers can only dream of... and he always has something meaningful to say.
Black Thought: I realize that a lot of cats might not even know who this is.. he's the frontman for The Roots... and as such he's been dropping dope rhymes since 1993... The Roots have put out 4 Full-Length LPs, 2 EPs and a Live CD between 1993 and 1999. Each LP is among my top 25 of all time, and as you can see from my list in the "greatest" thread, Do You Want More and Illadelph Halflife are both in my top 10. Personally I just don't think many emcees.. even so-called "battle" emcees like Canibus can fuck with BT on the mic... but at the same time he can tell a good story like "Silent Treatment" or "You Got Me"....
Common: Debuted back in 1992 with Can I Borrow A Dollar.. he was a quick-witted punchline based MC... a cool underrated LP. When he came back with Resurrection (including the classic I Used To Love H.E.R.) he had evolved into a combination between the simile and wordplay of his first album and a more spiritual and metaphorical phase. "One Day It'll All Make Sense" dropped in 1997... during a pretty dead year for dope sounds.. and showed his continued evolution as a rapper. "Stolen Moments" is one of the better story songs you can find... and he can still rip the mic.. as he does on "1, 2 Many". 1999 brought his fourth album... and the one that got some sales and critical acclaim at the same time... Common had finally reached the masses somewhat. Pushing it were singles like "The Light" and "Ghetto Heaven"... This Common LP again sounded different than the rest.. with more of a soulful deep sound as opposed to the very eastcoast-ish hiphop sound his previous releases held. This was mainly due to his switching from fellow Chicago native No I.D. to production from Questlove and The Roots, as well as Jay Dee.
Rakim ... The God. Do I really need to explain this one? Heh. I realize that He's only had 4 albums from 1990-2000, but There's still a lot of classics there, and most heads acknowledge him as the best MC of our time. Even though arguably his most classic material dropped on Paid In Full and Follow The Leader he still produced classics like "In The Ghetto", "Mahogany" "Let The Rhythm Hit Em", "Dont Sweat The Technique", "Whats On Your Mind", "Know The Ledge"... and then came a 5 year hiatus after a split with Eric B. in 97 he returned with The 18th Letter... definitely one of the best albums of the year... and probably in my top 15 of all time. Jammed with end to end burners like "Its Been A Long Time", "Remeber That", "Guess Whos Back" & "When I'm Flowin" this was a tight album both lyrically (duh) and in production... The only blemish on Rakim's record is The Master.. which was a half-assed LP... but still had Ra kickin dope rhymes.. his beat selection was just horrible.
Personally.. when I look at 1990-2000 the only emcees I see without flaws in terms of bad songs/albums would have to be Black Thought and Common... I disqualify BT because he's in a group.. and therefore isn't on the mic as much....
So I'd have to say Common was definitely the best rapper of 1990-2000....
btw... Hawaiian Sophie aint all that.. Jigga spits like 2 lines... Can I Get Open is dope though. If jigga had 6 albums like that he'd be my #1 probably.
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itz gotta be Pac...ain no doubt.......
p.s tha dude who posted befo me said he don feel BIG....cauze he had 1 and a half good albumz and shit....you see dawg......BIG waz killed befo he could make any more...but even from hiz "ready to die"....you could see how unic hiz shit waz....he had great....(not just great mo like unbeliveable) storytyelling shitz....greaT VOCAL SKILLZ.....hiz debut "ready to die" waz a classic.....
wit only hiz first album he crushed most of tha industry imo....
and bout not gettin into pacz shit...how"z dat possible dawg?...
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