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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: R-Tistic on January 19, 2007, 02:12:16 PM
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Between 97 and 01, which producer do you think had the dopest music? I think Quik and Battlecat were in their primes, and Dre had changed his overall sound for the third time. Although most would agree that Dre was most influential, and that he changed the game more during this time, who do you think was putting out the best?
Here are just a FEW of the songs I'd mention from each producer during this time......don't knock me for not mentioning something.
Battlecat:
Kurupt - We can freak it
Tha Eastsidaz album.....G'd up, Ghetto, Balls of steel
Eastsidaz - Duces n Trays.....I don't know, I luv it, Dogghouse in ya mouth, Welcome to the house
WC Shadiest One album.....Hog, Just clownin, Fuckin wit a house party
Snoop Dogg - Jus dippin remix, Leave me alone
Mr. Short Khop - Dollaz, drank, and dank
Doggy's Angels album.....Angel in me, Throw ya hands up, Baby if you ready, Pleezbaleevit
Tyrese, Snoop, Mr. Tan - Baby boy
Snoop, Crooked I, Techniec - Feels so good
E-40 - Get Breaded, Nah nah nah
Snoop ft. Lil Kim and RL - Do you wanna roll
Dr. Dre
Chronic 2001......Next Episode, Still D.R.E., Forgot about Dre, Let's get high, XXplosive, Big egos, etc. etc.
Snoop Dogg - B Please, Buck em, Jus Dippin, Lay Low
Snoop n Dre - The Wash
Firm - Phone tap
Eminem - Kill you, I never knew, Guilty conscience, The real Slim Shady, Bitch Please II, My name is, etc
Nate Dogg - Your wife
Xzibit - X, You know,
DJ Quik
Rhythmalism.....We still party, Hand in hand, Down down down, You'z a gangsta, Thinkin bout u, etc.
Balance n options.....Do I love her, You ain't fresh, Pitch in on a party
Mausberg album....Get nekkid, The truth is, No more questionz
Mausberg n Suga Free Konnectid album....Whistle, Hotel, Shut up
2nd II None.....Up in da club, Back off da wall
8Ball and MJG - Buck bounce
Shaq - Straight playin, The way it's goin down
Snoop Dogg - Don't tell, Buss'n rocks, Don't tell
Xzibit - Sorry I'm away so much
Tony Toni Tone - Let's get down
I'd say............umm...............................
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They are all on different scales, not necessarily quality....for example, Battlecat will only take one try to make a bangin' crowd pleasin' beat but that's all he's tryin' to do. Dre may take more beats to do what it is that he wants to do but he wants to change the game. Quik's right in the middle.
Battlecat's trying to produce a banging song.
Quik's trying to produce a banging album(group of songs).
Dre's trying to produce a banging movement(group of albums).
National Title: Dre
State Title: Quik
Local (LA) Title: Cat
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DJ Quik was at his very best at that time with a completely fresh style and some of the best real instrumentation hiphop has ever seen. I gotta vote for Quik. During that actual time period I probably wouldve voted for Dre tho.
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I'd say Battlecat, then Quik, then Dre.
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I'll take Quik over any artist/producer in any era.
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I'll take Dre over any artist/producer in any era.
Fixed
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quiksta!!
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I think Dre's best years were in the 80's up until the time he left Death Row....Chronic 2001 was hard, but the beats he did and has done for other people has been hit and miss, with the most of them being misses...The amount of time he spends on a tracc is ridiculous
So from the era given it's between Battlecat and Quik which is too close to call for me...Quik introduced Suga Free (Street Gospel 97') and Mausberg in that time frame and was also producing for himself and for others...Battlecat was banging out singles for alot people including working with W.C. on the "Shadiest One", Tha Eastsidaz, and did a pretty good job on Yo Yo's "Total Control" album (Oct. 96')...Quik might have a slight advantage over battlecat, but not by much
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that nigga quik. i'm a dre nut but quik was at his peak then and dre wasnt so much. i mean rhythmalism and classic 220 heeeat.
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I'd say Battlecat, then Quik, then Dre.
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I'd say Battlecat, then Quik, then Dre.
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I really like Quik he is hella underrated not talking West Coast but on a national level he is really a great producer, the only Quik beats I haven't felt is the ones he did for Snoop on Top Dogg but I think Quik is the most consistent in that time period, Dre was and has been hit or miss since he left Death Row, He has his moments I would put Quik above him
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i think quik is getting more props here because he delivers
a) more output
b) doesn't really change his shit, so people expecting get what they expect= people wanting get what they want
whereas dre, to me, is a more important artist because of the ground he breaks and the much more ambitious nature of his work and when he makes a banger it's nigh incomparable to others.
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I say Quik overall because he has put out quality material over a longer span of time.
Dre outshines Quik during some points in his career and he is a lot more mainstream than Quik, but not nearly as consistent.
Battlecat never wowed me with the exception of a few beats. Dre and Quik are both in a whole other league to me.
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Love Battlecat but DJ Quik is a beast
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I'll take Quik over any artist/producer in any era.
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I agree quik and dre are on another level.
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man that's way too close to say
that is the dream team of that era
if I absolutely had to, I'd go Quik > Battlecat > Dre...... but Dre being last is a big understatement
don't forget "Jankie" and "Whateva U Want" productions too, those are insane
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I'd say it's a tie between Dre & Quik. Both dropped constant dope shit at that time. Cat's stuff is solid as hell too, it's just... different. I can understand how somebody would pick him as the winner, but for me, it's Dre & Quik.
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Dre..... Just for sick original tracks like "The Watcher" and "What's The Difference".
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Not gonna vote cause I haven't heard a lot of the Battlecat or Quik songs and it would be unfair to judge them. But what I do know is that Dre brought some real heat in that period. Xxplosive was on some next level shit, same with the Watcher, Big Egos and Whats the difference. X, Lay Low and Bitch Please II were also great tracks along with the eminem stuff.
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damn..when i saw your list...many dope songs in that period..where are they now? lol its too hard too say..but il say first quik because shit he did during this years is incredible...dre did on incredible album..but oterhwise didnt impress me that much..battlecat had really dope cuts too
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Great post R!! ;)
I would say DJ Quiik, based on the simple fact that Street Gospel falls into that time period. And that album is simply the best album he has ever produced, beat-wise, if u ask me....
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when Dre came out wit 2001 :o but only prob i see is too many peolpe bited his style soo when u hear a dre beat nowadays its kinda a let down cuz its been done soo many times but with quik i think he is by far the funkiest & musical producer in hip hop and no has ever really been able to capture his sound durin that era...soooo gotta go wit quik
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dre,qui, then cat
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I still can't even vote.......
Album wise....Quik dropped the most full albums that he produced entirely, along with rapping on some of them, which is a LOT harder than most people would think it is. Quik was definitely the most musically inclined. I think Battlecat came with the funkiest, bounciest West Coast beats at the time, and his style was recognizable as hell but still great. Dre was Dre, and changed the entire game up as usual. Listening to Chronic 2001, the music itself wasn't as inclined as Quik's music on Rhythmalism, Street Gospel, 2nd II None, or B&O...but the songs themselves were a lot stronger, and it just had that epic feel to it.
I'd give Battlecat points because from what I know, he does most of his beats on his own, and doesn't use any help at all. I know that producers don't always have to play every single instrument, because Dre, Quincy Jones, and John Williams are brilliant at putting everyone else's instruments together. But the fact that Battlecat did most of his beats on his own does get him a couple extra points.
But umm........I still think it's too close to say. I do think Battlecat came with the most heat volume wise, because he was fuck'n with EVERYBODY and giving them all heat, even the rappers who didn't deserve it. Quik stayed within his family, and Dre only worked with major artists and those he put on...but Battlecat was givin it to whoever had the money, and wasn't just givin em leftovers.
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Rhythmalism is the best produced album from the westcoast during that time...imo.
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Rhythmalism is the best produced album from the westcoast during that time...imo.
I agree. I think 2001 was the best overall album, as far as songs, skits, appearances, etc. etc. but Rhythmalism was the best produced, and is probably my favorite. Any rap album that Jazz musicians such as my dad can like, even though they hate rap, has to be something SERIOUS.
Even the hidden gems on Rhythmalism were amazing...."Thinkin bout you" is one of the sickest, most different beats I've ever heard in my life. It sounds like a funked out make-up commercial or somethin seductive.
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Rhythmalism is indeed something Special, One of the things i like about this album is that u can still play it from time to time, its the type of music that u will be able to play 30 years later, just like this song "outstanding" by The Gap Band, it still sounds fresh and new in my ears everytime I listen to it, so yeah thats what i feel when I listen to this Quik album, thats some music that wll inspire you forever, the live instruments, the jazzy feel, the subject of the songs, thats simply a great album
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Thinkin bout you" is one of the sickest, most different beats I've ever heard in my life. It sounds like a funked out make-up commercial or somethin seductive.
definitely one of the best tracks in hip hop history, so much goin on it's almost sophisticated
great theme, raps about the girl he once had and the girl he never had
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my old band director from middle school did the flute on that album. i know he did some shit with quik, check for the name townshend over the flute credits. dude was crazy.
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^ credits say Ron Townsend did "You'z a Ganxta" and "Medley For a V"
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Yep. Forgot his first name cause I was 12 and 13, but he was my band instructor at Jehue Middle School in Rialto during 7th and part of 8th grade. One time during a rehearsal he got a call from Quik and put him on the phone with some black girl who started flippin' out as soon as quik started talking "oh my god it's dj quik" then mr.townsend said "yeah yeah quik i'll be down at the studio later, i gotta teach these kids..all right, later." and just continued. was cool, but man dude had a temper, he was in his 40's or 50's. But trust, dude was SICK flute player.
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battlecat himself would tell you he's not on quik's/dre's level.
i'd say dre, even though quik is more consistent than dre, when dre makes a hit, it's a damn hit, quik hasn't managed to make anything like "the game dont wait".. and dre's music can be played at parties, clubs driving whatever... quik's music is chillen/cruisin music... it's hard to compare the two styles.
i'm a bigger quik fan than i am dre, but props need to be given where due. dre takes it for sure.
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voted: D.R.E
Dre>Cat>Quik
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pepsi or coca cola?
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I still can't even vote.......
Album wise....Quik dropped the most full albums that he produced entirely, along with rapping on some of them, which is a LOT harder than most people would think it is. Quik was definitely the most musically inclined. I think Battlecat came with the funkiest, bounciest West Coast beats at the time, and his style was recognizable as hell but still great. Dre was Dre, and changed the entire game up as usual. Listening to Chronic 2001, the music itself wasn't as inclined as Quik's music on Rhythmalism, Street Gospel, 2nd II None, or B&O...but the songs themselves were a lot stronger, and it just had that epic feel to it.
I'd give Battlecat points because from what I know, he does most of his beats on his own, and doesn't use any help at all. I know that producers don't always have to play every single instrument, because Dre, Quincy Jones, and John Williams are brilliant at putting everyone else's instruments together. But the fact that Battlecat did most of his beats on his own does get him a couple extra points.
But umm........I still think it's too close to say. I do think Battlecat came with the most heat volume wise, because he was fuck'n with EVERYBODY and giving them all heat, even the rappers who didn't deserve it. Quik stayed within his family, and Dre only worked with major artists and those he put on...but Battlecat was givin it to whoever had the money, and wasn't just givin em leftovers.
yeah I feel ya. Rhythm-Al-Ism is just a musical masterpiece, who probably even Quik himself wont ever be able to outdo. Judging by beats alone it was also far superior over Dre's 2001....but Dre just has a feel for lyrics that really no one can mess with. EVERY damn word spat on 2001 just sounds tight and right...and that's amazing aswell....so it's hard to pick, but imma go with Quik though just because he is the musical giant that he is.
What was that about BC though?? Does he really play the instruments himself??
I think Quik plays bass, drums and keyboard sometimes too....
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pepsi or coca cola?
dr. pepper 8)
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I still can't even vote.......
Album wise....Quik dropped the most full albums that he produced entirely, along with rapping on some of them, which is a LOT harder than most people would think it is. Quik was definitely the most musically inclined. I think Battlecat came with the funkiest, bounciest West Coast beats at the time, and his style was recognizable as hell but still great. Dre was Dre, and changed the entire game up as usual. Listening to Chronic 2001, the music itself wasn't as inclined as Quik's music on Rhythmalism, Street Gospel, 2nd II None, or B&O...but the songs themselves were a lot stronger, and it just had that epic feel to it.
I'd give Battlecat points because from what I know, he does most of his beats on his own, and doesn't use any help at all. I know that producers don't always have to play every single instrument, because Dre, Quincy Jones, and John Williams are brilliant at putting everyone else's instruments together. But the fact that Battlecat did most of his beats on his own does get him a couple extra points.
But umm........I still think it's too close to say. I do think Battlecat came with the most heat volume wise, because he was fuck'n with EVERYBODY and giving them all heat, even the rappers who didn't deserve it. Quik stayed within his family, and Dre only worked with major artists and those he put on...but Battlecat was givin it to whoever had the money, and wasn't just givin em leftovers.
yeah I feel ya. Rhythm-Al-Ism is just a musical masterpiece, who probably even Quik himself wont ever be able to outdo. Judging by beats alone it was also far superior over Dre's 2001....but Dre just has a feel for lyrics that really no one can mess with. EVERY damn word spat on 2001 just sounds tight and right...and that's amazing aswell....so it's hard to pick, but imma go with Quik though just because he is the musical giant that he is.
What was that about BC though?? Does he really play the instruments himself??
I think Quik plays bass, drums and keyboard sometimes too....
It sounds like Battlecat uses synths and keyboards on most of his songs....I rarely hear acoustic instruments or real instruments on his songs. So I'd imagine that he plays and composes everything from his machines.
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battlecat himself would tell you he's not on quik's/dre's level.
i'd say dre, even though quik is more consistent than dre, when dre makes a hit, it's a damn hit, quik hasn't managed to make anything like "the game dont wait".. and dre's music can be played at parties, clubs driving whatever... quik's music is chillen/cruisin music... it's hard to compare the two styles.
i'm a bigger quik fan than i am dre, but props need to be given where due. dre takes it for sure.
word +1
also, battlecat's stuff sounds almost completely synth. i think he MAY have a real guitar going on the last track of x's restless 'loud and clear' but even that'sm suspect. I like him because he's dre in an MPC...or like...he's a travel sized dre..."Need to make a funky hit but can't take a whole damn funk orchestra? Get battlecat in the back with his mpc and you'll get a few funky layers" kinda. Dre plays his own keys often but he often doesn't as well, any other instrument someone else. I didn't know quik could play bass but for the record, I think alot of his records are great to party to.
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man thats like picking your favorite kid, lol you just cant do it, lol lol But Battlecat is my all-time favorite !!
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battlecat himself would tell you he's not on quik's/dre's level.
i'd say dre, even though quik is more consistent than dre, when dre makes a hit, it's a damn hit, quik hasn't managed to make anything like "the game dont wait".. and dre's music can be played at parties, clubs driving whatever... quik's music is chillen/cruisin music... it's hard to compare the two styles.
i'm a bigger quik fan than i am dre, but props need to be given where due. dre takes it for sure.
word +1
also, battlecat's stuff sounds almost completely synth. i think he MAY have a real guitar going on the last track of x's restless 'loud and clear' but even that'sm suspect. I like him because he's dre in an MPC...or like...he's a travel sized dre..."Need to make a funky hit but can't take a whole damn funk orchestra? Get battlecat in the back with his mpc and you'll get a few funky layers" kinda. Dre plays his own keys often but he often doesn't as well, any other instrument someone else. I didn't know quik could play bass but for the record, I think alot of his records are great to party to.
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I still wouldn't say Battlecat at that time was that far behind Dre...he just had a completely different style. His style actually evolved from Dre, Warren, and Daz's Death Row G-Funk Sound...while Dre's style evolved into a darker sound that didn't have as much funk. With that, the songs that they were each makin durin that time were a lot different from each other...and it really just depends on what style or song you'd prefer. For those of us who loved the 96-01 G-Funk sound, we'd probably agree that Battlecat was the leader of that. Dre's sound had West Coast elements at times, but many of his songs were on a different tip that we hadn't heard much in rap. So if I was in the mood for a hype azz C-Walk type of song, I'd usually look for Cat...but if I wanted somethin darker, I'd go for the Dre one.
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to me, battlecat's stuff has always been a more synthesized variation of the kind of things dre, daz, and warren did. Doggy dogg world for example, i'm sure influenced cats melodicism and layering but whereas dre has just as much live instrumentation in that song as he does sytnh whereas cat's version of a song in that style would be completely synth and that's why his (and all the dogghouse generation producers of meech, cat, fred wreck) shit never hit as hard. then only two songs where I've heard cat fuckin' with dre out get you walk on with mel man, and loud and clear also from restless. even bangers like g'd up and nah nah are just synth'd out variations on shit we heard from 90-96. so I love battlecat, but I wanna re say what dude said that battlecAt would tell you himself he's not on dre or quik's level. also cause he's a beatmaker not so mucha producer. a producer puts the song together from the vocals, all kinds of contextual and conceptual ideas..I see battlecat as more of a dope beat on demand for the dpg kind of guy.
quik....has always just been about the P-Funk and is sickadiddy at it, but I'd say quik is to dre what Roger to Quincy Jones....quincy can do funk but he's a very wel rounded and more ambitous producer...whereas a dude like roger or even dudes like james brown and george clinton are just trying to make funk...they're sick as fuck at funk, but that's all they're tryna do: funk. quincy and dre...are trying to do something much broader in their works.
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to me, battlecat's stuff has always been a more synthesized variation of the kind of things dre, daz, and warren did. Doggy dogg world for example, i'm sure influenced cats melodicism and layering but whereas dre has just as much live instrumentation in that song as he does sytnh whereas cat's version of a song in that style would be completely synth and that's why his (and all the dogghouse generation producers of meech, cat, fred wreck) shit never hit as hard. then only two songs where I've heard cat fuckin' with dre out get you walk on with mel man, and loud and clear also from restless. even bangers like g'd up and nah nah are just synth'd out variations on shit we heard from 90-96. so I love battlecat, but I wanna re say what dude said that battlecAt would tell you himself he's not on dre or quik's level. also cause he's a beatmaker not so mucha producer. a producer puts the song together from the vocals, all kinds of contextual and conceptual ideas..I see battlecat as more of a dope beat on demand for the dpg kind of guy.
quik....has always just been about the P-Funk and is sickadiddy at it, but I'd say quik is to dre what Roger to Quincy Jones....quincy can do funk but he's a very wel rounded and more ambitous producer...whereas a dude like roger or even dudes like james brown and george clinton are just trying to make funk...they're sick as fuck at funk, but that's all they're tryna do: funk. quincy and dre...are trying to do something much broader in their works.
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That makes sense. As far as Dre bein Quincy....I think he is a rap version of Quincy in a way, but overall, his talent level is nowhere near Quincy's. Roger, James Brown, and George Clinton are a whooole lot more innovative than Quik, and they are more musically inclined than he is...but in the rap game, Quik is the most musically inclined producer we've ever heard, hands down. So I would actually say that Quik could produce a much better Jazz or R&B album than Dre....but I think Dre might do a better movie soundtrack. And I'm not talkin bout the beats he did for Bad Boyz...but if he was able to do a "modern Star Wars" and be John Williams to it, he could probably make it better than Quik. But he's not as musically inclined as Quik is.
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^ ya, good outlook
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Uh, I wouldn't doubt that dre's ideal r and b/jazz record would be able to match the quality of quik's. funk is his first love and that's exactly why he doesn't do it: it's too EASY for him, I didn't want to put it so brutally but all the shit that all those cats are doing is just so easy to dre. he seems inconsistent to to us cause he ain't doin what we want. he's not making the chronic again, not because he can't but because he wants to do something else. meanwhile quik updates safe and sound, way 2 fonky, rhythmalism also cause that's what he wants to do which is also dope as fuck but you can't deny it's less ambitious...just an artistic itch. for all we know, dre has a few more doggystyles and chronics and even 2001s in his vaults but he only releases the latest stepts of his evolution.
also how is quincy more talented than dre? i do not know quincy's material as well as I know dre's so that could be a perfectly accurate assesment, I'm just asking.
and i don't know man, the more i compare quik to Roger and G Clinton, the more that comparison makes sense to me...maybe not compare him to Jim brown (he was something else, though I prefer parliament/clinton) , but he is a very funky and musical dude.
also....can someone hook up dre's beats for bad boyz? i've never heard them....are they dope or what?
i don't evn know that quik is more musicall inclined than dre(any verification on him playing bass or any instrument for that matter?), dre's shit is simpler and sparser not due to lack of musicality but because he's learned that less is more. Quik just still uses mad layers. To me doggy dogg world is but one example of dre's musical mastery of layers and melodies and such...I suppose quik and dre both have good understanding of the less is more concept..for example, isn't quik's down down down almost purely drum and bass? that shit is sick an dre's ask yourself a question is just drum and bass with little sprinkles of guitar and keyboard here and there. but they're both sinisterly melodic beats......
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i don't even know that quik is more musicall inclined than dre (any verification on him playing bass or any instrument for that matter?)
well I know there are tons of tracks Quik has done by himself with All Instruments By:
and I don't know of too many Dre tracks where he did the instruments his own
kind of dumb argument tho
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It's gotta b Quik... Dre is dope and all, but he's a piss off at times... Quik is consistent, real, always 2 the point, best producer ever, period!
Battlecat is dope too, but he aint on the same level....
QUIK --- King of WestCoast Gangsta Beat, Smooth Rhythms
D.R.E. --- King of POP-RAP, Mainstream, Studio Gangsta Beat, Classic Hits Master, Slow-Ass Muthafucka
BATTLECAT --- King of Dope Beats 4 Tha Streets, Sometimes Misses, though, But Still Is quite muthafuckin Dope
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Uh, I wouldn't doubt that dre's ideal r and b/jazz record would be able to match the quality of quik's. funk is his first love and that's exactly why he doesn't do it: it's too EASY for him, I didn't want to put it so brutally but all the shit that all those cats are doing is just so easy to dre. he seems inconsistent to to us cause he ain't doin what we want. he's not making the chronic again, not because he can't but because he wants to do something else. meanwhile quik updates safe and sound, way 2 fonky, rhythmalism also cause that's what he wants to do which is also dope as fuck but you can't deny it's less ambitious...just an artistic itch. for all we know, dre has a few more doggystyles and chronics and even 2001s in his vaults but he only releases the latest stepts of his evolution.
also how is quincy more talented than dre? i do not know quincy's material as well as I know dre's so that could be a perfectly accurate assesment, I'm just asking.
and i don't know man, the more i compare quik to Roger and G Clinton, the more that comparison makes sense to me...maybe not compare him to Jim brown (he was something else, though I prefer parliament/clinton) , but he is a very funky and musical dude.
also....can someone hook up dre's beats for bad boyz? i've never heard them....are they dope or what?
i don't evn know that quik is more musicall inclined than dre(any verification on him playing bass or any instrument for that matter?), dre's shit is simpler and sparser not due to lack of musicality but because he's learned that less is more. Quik just still uses mad layers. To me doggy dogg world is but one example of dre's musical mastery of layers and melodies and such...I suppose quik and dre both have good understanding of the less is more concept..for example, isn't quik's down down down almost purely drum and bass? that shit is sick an dre's ask yourself a question is just drum and bass with little sprinkles of guitar and keyboard here and there. but they're both sinisterly melodic beats......
Well....thing is, I listen with a jazz influenced ear, and not just a typical rap producer's ear, so I hear a lot of things that most rap fans wouldn't. With that, Quik is more musically inclined as far as his knowledge AND use of chords and techniques that are heard in Jazz and rarely heard, or appreciated, in rap. It might be easy for Dre to make a hard hittin funk banger like "Dre day"...but he's never used the musicianship that Quik's used on songs such as "You'z a gangsta" 2nd II None's "Back up off da wall" at the end of the song when they are just clownin around on the instruments..or songs like "Whatever u do" that could easily appeal to a 55 year old who hates rap. Basically, Quik's music from Safe n Sound and on basically took what Dre laid down in his early DR days, and evolved it into much more creative ways of using jazz and funk that Dre never did. So it's almost like Jordan to Vince....Jordan is the originator who still has done things Carter never did, and he made the game what it is....but Carter took many things that Jordan did and remixed them, and took it to another level that Jordan himself wasn't able to do. And as dope as "Down down down" was, it wasn't anywhere near his most creative beat.
Quincy Jones has produced millions of hits in COMPLETELY different eras and genres...and although Dre is the closest by far in the rap game, Quincy is still levels ahead of him. I mean, all I really have to say is that he produced the entire "Thriller" album, which will NEVER be topped by any regular non-greatest hits album.
I think it's a bit unfair to compare Quik to Roger and George, who both came with a sound that NOBODY had EVER heard before, and that people still love today as if it just came out.
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Trust that I listen with not just a rap producer's ear as well, many genres over lots of time trust, and quik's shit is often more complex and he's good at it, but to me complex doesn't necessarily mean better. also, I feel dre has proven time and time again that when he wants to do complex shit he can but once more less is more more often than not.
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^ I don't know, aren't you the guy who abandoned rap for like 5 years?
you always be asking a bunch of simple ass rap questions too
you don't have too much clout in this discussion
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Quik came wit it, Hands Down !
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^ I don't know, aren't you the guy who abandoned rap for like 5 years?
you always be asking a bunch of simple ass rap questions too
you don't have too much clout in this discussion
lmao, word up :D
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^ I don't know, aren't you the guy who abandoned rap for like 5 years?
you always be asking a bunch of simple ass rap questions too
you don't have too much clout in this discussion
let's not take down tanj's actual argumentative logic, let's just attack his credibility! You a republican homey?
abandoned is a strong word. It's not like I strictly didn't listen to rap for 4 years, it's just that I got very into alot of other music for four years and didn't buy/wasn't into rap that much. I feel it's because I've listened to a lot of music over a span of time that I can speak on it, I feel I have a more educated view on it than I would have had I not gone and explored the music i did when I did. and I've been a huge quik, battlecat and dre fan for a long ass time, so fuck that clout talk.
also, i do ask alot of questions, would you rather I acted like I knew everything? Most of the time, I do know the answers to the questions I ask, I'm just double checking cause I acknowledge that I've been gone for a long time and want to make sure the info I had is still up to date. I still remember a fucking gangload and my memory gets refreshed all the time...oh and guess when I was listening to hip hop the most doggie....1997-2002, exactly the fucking time period this thread pertains to.
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Props to the threadstarter for this thread.
Quik>Battlecat>Dre
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Dre is better overall but Quik brought more heat about that time so my vote goes to Quik.