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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 22, 2007, 12:26:14 PM
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Mavericks owner Mark Cuban joked that he expected O'Neal to sit out Sunday's Finals rematch against Dallas.
''You expect him to chicken out,'' Cuban said. "Shaq Albert needs his rest and he needs to do what he needs to do. But Shaq is a unique individual, so you miss seeing him on the court. Whether it would have made a difference, who knows?''
www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/basketball/16515375.htm
LMFAO
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Well Cuban is a funny character... I think he has both positive and negative repercussion on his team... postive in being the main point of the medias attention so the players have less pressure on their shoulders but sometimes the coach and the players follow his moves or ideas and it cost them the title (bitchin about the refs and lost focus on their game, even if the Finals were shitty called, I still think they would had won the title... if Avery hadn"t talked shit at some points)
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Yea, he's a very funny guy...I'm glad we have a guy like this in the league. then again, I'm also glad he has nothing to do with my team...LOL.
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i'd be bitter too if my team choked so many times to a shaq led team
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Why I Don't Wear a Suit and Can't Figure Out Why Anyone Does !
Jan 16th 2007 1:23PM
When I started MicroSolutions I was 24 years old. I had just gotten fired from my job and was sleeping on the floor of a 3 bedroom apartment with 5 other guys living there. I didn't have a closet or a bed, but I had 2 suits.
I bought both of those polyester wonders, one Grey pinstripe, the other blue pinstripe for a total of $99 dollars plus tax. To go with those fashion forward wonders, I had several white polo button downs that I had purchased used from a re-sale shop, and a couple ties that I had bought on sale or had gotten as hand me downs from friends.
I wore those babies when it was cold. I wore them when it was 100 degrees plus. I ironed them and when I could I got them dry cleaned. MicroSolutions was started in June and over the next 7 years , starting with those first 2 suits, I wore a suit every work day. I bought new suits as the business grew. I bought shirts and ties and shoes new instead of used. I went 7 years without a vacation to make that company work, but I didn't go a work day without a suit.
Someone had once told me that you wear to work what your customers wear to work. That seemed to make sense to me, so I followed it, and expected those who worked for me to follow it as well.
After I sold MicroSolutions I decided that I never would wear a suit again. I was able to hold true to that while I was making a lot of money trading stocks for the next 5 years, but then Todd and I started AudioNet which would morph into Broadcast.com.
With our new business, I decided that I would have to wear a suit, but would modify the rule so that I would only wear a suit when someone I was selling to was wearing a suit. If they were selling to me, I didn't care if they were wearing a tux. I was going to go comfortable and not wear a suit.
When Broadcast.com was sold, the suit went out the window completely. I vowed to never wear one again other than weddings and funerals, and only then because it wasn't worth the hassle to deal with people asking why you didn't wear a suit. I'm certain the people getting married dint care, and I don't think anyone is going to be looking down at me wondering why I showed up at their funeral without a suit. Suits make no sense whatsoever.
Why am I such a suit hater ? I'm not a suit hater, I just could never think of any good reason for any sane person to wear a suit in the first place.
Exactly what purpose does a suit serve ? Why in the world are so many people required to wear a suit to work ? Do the clothes make the man or woman in the western world today ? Does wearing a tie make us work harder or smarter ? Is this a conspiracy by the clothing, fabric or dry cleaning industry to take our money ?
Or are we all just lemmings following a standard we all know makes zero sense, but we follow because we are afraid not to ?
If you are a CEO , are there not better things your employees could spend money on than multiple suits, ties, dress shirts, dress shoes, dress socks, dry cleaning, and all the other associated costs ? Gee, no suits would be the same as giving your employees a tax free raise. Think that might make them happy ? Or do employees consider having to spend money on suits a perk ?
Now I understand some people think wearing a suit provides them with a certain level of stature. It gives them confidence. It helps them feel good about themselves. Well let me be the first to tell you that if you feel like you need a suit to gain that confidence, you got problems. The minute you open your mouth, all those people who might think you have a great suit, forget about the suit and have to deal with the person wearing it.
Is there a reason other than "thats just the way it is" ? Haven't you looked at someone in a suit, trying to look important and just thought how stupid and out of place it is ? Why do we do this to ourselves ?
I know this all is a crazy rant, but come on now. If you have had to wear a suit to work every day, haven't you wondered why ? If you are the CEO or in charge of a company, haven't you wondered yourself why you are making your employees waste all that money and come to work and spend the day in uncomfortable clothing ?
Give your suit wearing employees a raise. Tell them every day is casual day.
www.blogmaverick.com
It's insane how he in all people went from literally nothing in his mid-20s to a billionaire now
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^^^ yep like I said he can have bad repercussions too... but he's kinda talented coz he made the medias his bitch.. as soon as he talks or makes sth , medias report it... Mourihno is the same in soccer
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You gotta love Mark Cuban. He keeps some excitement in the NBA.
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Why I Don't Wear a Suit and Can't Figure Out Why Anyone Does !
Jan 16th 2007 1:23PM
When I started MicroSolutions I was 24 years old. I had just gotten fired from my job and was sleeping on the floor of a 3 bedroom apartment with 5 other guys living there. I didn't have a closet or a bed, but I had 2 suits.
I bought both of those polyester wonders, one Grey pinstripe, the other blue pinstripe for a total of $99 dollars plus tax. To go with those fashion forward wonders, I had several white polo button downs that I had purchased used from a re-sale shop, and a couple ties that I had bought on sale or had gotten as hand me downs from friends.
I wore those babies when it was cold. I wore them when it was 100 degrees plus. I ironed them and when I could I got them dry cleaned. MicroSolutions was started in June and over the next 7 years , starting with those first 2 suits, I wore a suit every work day. I bought new suits as the business grew. I bought shirts and ties and shoes new instead of used. I went 7 years without a vacation to make that company work, but I didn't go a work day without a suit.
Someone had once told me that you wear to work what your customers wear to work. That seemed to make sense to me, so I followed it, and expected those who worked for me to follow it as well.
After I sold MicroSolutions I decided that I never would wear a suit again. I was able to hold true to that while I was making a lot of money trading stocks for the next 5 years, but then Todd and I started AudioNet which would morph into Broadcast.com.
With our new business, I decided that I would have to wear a suit, but would modify the rule so that I would only wear a suit when someone I was selling to was wearing a suit. If they were selling to me, I didn't care if they were wearing a tux. I was going to go comfortable and not wear a suit.
When Broadcast.com was sold, the suit went out the window completely. I vowed to never wear one again other than weddings and funerals, and only then because it wasn't worth the hassle to deal with people asking why you didn't wear a suit. I'm certain the people getting married dint care, and I don't think anyone is going to be looking down at me wondering why I showed up at their funeral without a suit. Suits make no sense whatsoever.
Why am I such a suit hater ? I'm not a suit hater, I just could never think of any good reason for any sane person to wear a suit in the first place.
Exactly what purpose does a suit serve ? Why in the world are so many people required to wear a suit to work ? Do the clothes make the man or woman in the western world today ? Does wearing a tie make us work harder or smarter ? Is this a conspiracy by the clothing, fabric or dry cleaning industry to take our money ?
Or are we all just lemmings following a standard we all know makes zero sense, but we follow because we are afraid not to ?
If you are a CEO , are there not better things your employees could spend money on than multiple suits, ties, dress shirts, dress shoes, dress socks, dry cleaning, and all the other associated costs ? Gee, no suits would be the same as giving your employees a tax free raise. Think that might make them happy ? Or do employees consider having to spend money on suits a perk ?
Now I understand some people think wearing a suit provides them with a certain level of stature. It gives them confidence. It helps them feel good about themselves. Well let me be the first to tell you that if you feel like you need a suit to gain that confidence, you got problems. The minute you open your mouth, all those people who might think you have a great suit, forget about the suit and have to deal with the person wearing it.
Is there a reason other than "thats just the way it is" ? Haven't you looked at someone in a suit, trying to look important and just thought how stupid and out of place it is ? Why do we do this to ourselves ?
I know this all is a crazy rant, but come on now. If you have had to wear a suit to work every day, haven't you wondered why ? If you are the CEO or in charge of a company, haven't you wondered yourself why you are making your employees waste all that money and come to work and spend the day in uncomfortable clothing ?
Give your suit wearing employees a raise. Tell them every day is casual day.
www.blogmaverick.com
It's insane how he in all people went from literally nothing in his mid-20s to a billionaire now
Thats how most of the richest people on forbes' list made it. look at bill gates, donald, and cuban!
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^^Props for that. Cuban's a smart guy.
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I think Cuban is a bright guy. He is definitely business savvy and knows his shit. I WILL NOT work for a company that REQUIRES suits. It's probably dumb, but it's VERY uncomfortable and I'll be damned if I'm gonna spend all that money on something I hate. I remember he said he was dropping some ticket prices for Dallas games the other year as a reward to the fans for supporting the team. The Mavs were doing VERY WELL and people wondered why he would drop the price instead of raising it as demand to see the team play grew. He said something like, he wanted to drop it to reward the fans who stuck by the team during the hard times, instead of dropping price when the team sucked and no one wanted to see them. The basic idea was that dropping the price because no one is coming to the games is tacky and he has more respect for his team and fans. It was a good read.
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Cuban is definitely a character, good for the NBA
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Its funny how Bitter Cuban is due to no title
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FUCK SHAQ AND THE HEAT!! That was great seeing the Pacers spoil Shaq's return last night when we came from 20 down in the 3rd to win in OT!!
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FUCK SHAQ AND THE HEAT!! That was great seeing the Pacers spoil Shaq's return last night when we came from 20 down in the 3rd to win in OT!!
Props on that win...Indiana>>>Miami.
Shaq-
5 points (2-6 FG), 5 rebounds, 2 turnovers, 3 fouls in 15 minutes. :-X
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it's not like kobe had kobe numbers when he came back either.
shaq's older, and has had problems with his knees since LSU, and that particular knee since Cole, so wait til he's back into the swing of things before you try to discrim-a-hate on the dude
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I'm sorry, but Shaq's numbers have not been close to his price for years now...And don't come at me with that "he won a title" bullshit, Gary Payton isn't worth $20 million a year either.
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haha ha ha at least both of them have proven they can lead a team to the finals
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haha ha ha at least both of them have proven they can lead a team to the finals
LMAO@Payton leading the Heat to the finals, but Kobe not leading the Lakers to the finals. :stupid:
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haha ha ha at least both of them have proven they can lead a team to the finals
LMAO@Payton leading the Heat to the finals, but Kobe not leading the Lakers to the finals. :stupid:
Payton led the Sonics to the finals against your hero MJ, you retard. You were prolly like 5 years old when that happend tho, wouldnt expect you to remember. Shows how much you know about basketball. All you know is purple and gold and the number of hairs on kobes ball sack.
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haha ha ha at least both of them have proven they can lead a team to the finals
LMAO@Payton leading the Heat to the finals, but Kobe not leading the Lakers to the finals. :stupid:
Payton led the Sonics to the finals against your hero MJ, you retard. You were prolly like 5 years old when that happend tho, wouldnt expect you to remember. Shows how much you know about basketball. All you know is purple and gold and the number of hairs on kobes ball sack.
Either way, it was Payton/Kemp, just like it was Kobe/Shaq...LOL@you questioning peoples knowledge in basketball. That's classic.
Notice who starts talking shit in these threads. It's ALWAYS the nutriders...:grumpy:
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haha ha ha at least both of them have proven they can lead a team to the finals
LMAO@Payton leading the Heat to the finals, but Kobe not leading the Lakers to the finals. :stupid:
Payton led the Sonics to the finals against your hero MJ, you retard. You were prolly like 5 years old when that happend tho, wouldnt expect you to remember. Shows how much you know about basketball. All you know is purple and gold and the number of hairs on kobes ball sack.
Either way, it was Payton/Kemp, just like it was Kobe/Shaq...LOL@you questioning peoples knowledge in basketball. That's classic.
Notice who starts talking shit in these threads. It's ALWAYS the nutriders...:grumpy:
whos talking shit? My point was proven.
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You started name-calling and shit talking out of no where. it shows what level you're on... you can't keep up in a debate without acting childish...And on top of that, you proved absolutely nothing, because the point remains the same.
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You started name-calling and shit talking out of no where. it shows what level you're on... you can't keep up in a debate without acting childish...And on top of that, you proved absolutely nothing, because the point remains the same.
I proved that you had no clue that Payton led the Sonics to the NBA finals you moron. HAHA you thought we was talking about the Heat LOL....anyways, not like youv never talked shit to anyone, dont act like you are above shit talking or something
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You started name-calling and shit talking out of no where. it shows what level you're on... you can't keep up in a debate without acting childish...And on top of that, you proved absolutely nothing, because the point remains the same.
I proved that you had no clue that Payton led the Sonics to the NBA finals you moron. HAHA you thought we was talking about the Heat LOL....anyways, not like youv never talked shit to anyone, dont act like you are above shit talking or something
Yea, I had no clue that the Sonics met the Bulls in the finals, LMAO! Please stay out of basketball discussions if you're incapable of making valid points, especially without using insults like a little fuckin kid. Thank you.
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You started name-calling and shit talking out of no where. it shows what level you're on... you can't keep up in a debate without acting childish...And on top of that, you proved absolutely nothing, because the point remains the same.
I proved that you had no clue that Payton led the Sonics to the NBA finals you moron. HAHA you thought we was talking about the Heat LOL....anyways, not like youv never talked shit to anyone, dont act like you are above shit talking or something
Yea, I had no clue that the Sonics met the Bulls in the finals, LMAO! Please stay out of basketball discussions if you're incapable of making valid points, especially without using insults like a little fuckin kid. Thank you.
Ill give you the benefit of the doubt then, you knew, but you must have forgot. And how was that not a valid point the Gary led Seattle to the finals? LOL ur a wierdo
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You started name-calling and shit talking out of no where. it shows what level you're on... you can't keep up in a debate without acting childish...And on top of that, you proved absolutely nothing, because the point remains the same.
I proved that you had no clue that Payton led the Sonics to the NBA finals you moron. HAHA you thought we was talking about the Heat LOL....anyways, not like youv never talked shit to anyone, dont act like you are above shit talking or something
Yea, I had no clue that the Sonics met the Bulls in the finals, LMAO! Please stay out of basketball discussions if you're incapable of making valid points, especially without using insults like a little fuckin kid. Thank you.
Ill give you the benefit of the doubt then, you knew, but you must have forgot. And how was that not a valid point the Gary led Seattle to the finals? LOL ur a wierdo
What are you going on about? I "forgot"? I don't smoke THAT much weed, buddy... quit tryna give basketball history lessons on the obvious, it only proves that you haven't been following the league much if you actually thought someone didn't know that...The whole point is that if you're a Laker fan claiming Payton led a team to the finals and implying that Kobe never has, then you simply can't be taken seriously...I know you really want to insult me and piss me off, but you're looking in all the wrong places man...PeACe
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I might be wrong, but GP also 'led' the team when they were a 1st seed and got bounced out of the first round (after winning 2 straight) by the 8th seed Denver Nuggets. Point being... NO ONE player wins a title or even gets to or thru the playoffs alone.
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Shaq has been one of my fav NBA player's of all-time...(Still is)
as a Magic, Laker & As a Heat player.
& I dislike Cuban with a passion, but the whole Shaq Albert thing... ;D
I had to do it, Sorry Shaq
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3250/shaqalbert4tv.jpg)
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hahaha LMAO!
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Its a shame that people cant be in a civilized debate w/ NIK, he keeps it cool while others resort to name calling way to quick
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Its a shame that people cant be in a civilized debate w/ NIK, he keeps it cool while others resort to name calling way to quick
lol wow you havn't been here long huh?
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Its a shame that people cant be in a civilized debate w/ NIK, he keeps it cool while others resort to name calling way to quick
lol wow you havn't been here long huh?
Ive been here almost 3years
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haha ha ha at least both of them have proven they can lead a team to the finals
LMAO@Payton leading the Heat to the finals, but Kobe not leading the Lakers to the finals. :stupid:
Payton led the Sonics to the finals against your hero MJ, you retard. You were prolly like 5 years old when that happend tho, wouldnt expect you to remember. Shows how much you know about basketball. All you know is purple and gold and the number of hairs on kobes ball sack.
Either way, it was Payton/Kemp, just like it was Kobe/Shaq...
i'm so glad you brought up this point...you fell for my trap SOOOOOOOO EASILY
shaq and penny= many playoff wins and trip to conference finals and nba finals
penny without shaq=not many playoff wins , early exits
kobe and shaq=many playoff wins and trip to conference finals including 3 championships and 4 nba finals
kobe without shaq= 0 playoffs 1 year and early 1st round exit the next
shaq with wade=many playoff wins, trip to conference finals both years and 1 championship
wade without shaq=no playoffs
pattern? i think so
big; yes, winner yes
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Its a shame that people cant be in a civilized debate w/ NIK, he keeps it cool while others resort to name calling way to quick
Captain save a ho to the rescue again. It's cool to weigh in with your opinions and all, but coming from you, the guy who instigates shit with Grundy constantly, it's a fuckin joke.
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Its a shame that people cant be in a civilized debate w/ NIK, he keeps it cool while others resort to name calling way to quick
Captain save a ho to the rescue again. It's cool to weigh in with your opinions and all, but coming from you, the guy who instigates shit with Grundy constantly, it's a fuckin joke.
no fuckin shit, LMAO @ Spice tryin to act like NIK dont start shit with anyone. What a joke. Stop Dickriding NIK, Spice. NIK starts shit just as much as people do with him.
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HAHAHA LMAO!! I squashed the shit with DANNY TANNER and he was the lil girl that couldnt get my name out of his mouth, give me a fuckin break.
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haha ha ha at least both of them have proven they can lead a team to the finals
LMAO@Payton leading the Heat to the finals, but Kobe not leading the Lakers to the finals. :stupid:
Payton led the Sonics to the finals against your hero MJ, you retard. You were prolly like 5 years old when that happend tho, wouldnt expect you to remember. Shows how much you know about basketball. All you know is purple and gold and the number of hairs on kobes ball sack.
Either way, it was Payton/Kemp, just like it was Kobe/Shaq...
i'm so glad you brought up this point...you fell for my trap SOOOOOOOO EASILY
shaq and penny= many playoff wins and trip to conference finals and nba finals
penny without shaq=not many playoff wins , early exits
kobe and shaq=many playoff wins and trip to conference finals including 3 championships and 4 nba finals
kobe without shaq= 0 playoffs 1 year and early 1st round exit the next
shaq with wade=many playoff wins, trip to conference finals both years and 1 championship
wade without shaq=no playoffs
pattern? i think so
big; yes, winner yes
1.Penny and the Magic did well the year after Shaq left.
2.The whole Laker team broke up after Shaq fucked them, leaving them looking like Kobe+expansion team.
3.Kobe made progress EXTREMELY quick and Lakers only took 2 years to rebuild and become contenders again!
4.Shaq is fat and can't play, but is still getting paid $20 million through 2010.
5.The Heat lost the year Shaq had a bigger role and actually tried staying in shape, but won when the team was built around Wade, with Shaq contributing very little.
6.Kobe > Shaq (even YOU can't deny this)
7.Kobe=entering his prime
8.Shaq=5+ years out of his prime.
9.Lakers>Heat.
10.The end.
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haha ha ha at least both of them have proven they can lead a team to the finals
LMAO@Payton leading the Heat to the finals, but Kobe not leading the Lakers to the finals. :stupid:
Payton led the Sonics to the finals against your hero MJ, you retard. You were prolly like 5 years old when that happend tho, wouldnt expect you to remember. Shows how much you know about basketball. All you know is purple and gold and the number of hairs on kobes ball sack.
Either way, it was Payton/Kemp, just like it was Kobe/Shaq...
i'm so glad you brought up this point...you fell for my trap SOOOOOOOO EASILY
shaq and penny= many playoff wins and trip to conference finals and nba finals
penny without shaq=not many playoff wins , early exits
kobe and shaq=many playoff wins and trip to conference finals including 3 championships and 4 nba finals
kobe without shaq= 0 playoffs 1 year and early 1st round exit the next
shaq with wade=many playoff wins, trip to conference finals both years and 1 championship
wade without shaq=no playoffs
pattern? i think so
big; yes, winner yes
1.Penny and the Magic did well the year after Shaq left.
2.The whole Laker team broke up after Shaq fucked them, leaving them looking like Kobe+expansion team.
3.Kobe made progress EXTREMELY quick and Lakers only took 2 years to rebuild and become contenders again!
4.Shaq is fat and can't play, but is still getting paid $20 million through 2010.
5.The Heat lost the year Shaq had a bigger role and actually tried staying in shape, but won when the team was built around Wade, with Shaq contributing very little.
6.Kobe > Shaq (even YOU can't deny this)
7.Kobe=entering his prime
8.Shaq=5+ years out of his prime.
9.Lakers>Heat.
10.The end.
1. but did they reach the same apex,lol. no
2. hmmm i wonder why they broke up..gee wiz
3. until they beat a team in the playoffs...they're still in shaq's shadow
4. baaaaaalllin'
5. actually the heat were one game away and in a position to go to the finals til his right hand man went down, not because shaq couldn't lead them. that's less embarrassing than having a team up 3-1 then totally disappearing
6. right now yes, but overall shaq>kobe
7. ...and still can't win in the playoffs
8. ....and still can win in the playoffs
9. the end
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haha ha ha at least both of them have proven they can lead a team to the finals
LMAO@Payton leading the Heat to the finals, but Kobe not leading the Lakers to the finals. :stupid:
Payton led the Sonics to the finals against your hero MJ, you retard. You were prolly like 5 years old when that happend tho, wouldnt expect you to remember. Shows how much you know about basketball. All you know is purple and gold and the number of hairs on kobes ball sack.
Either way, it was Payton/Kemp, just like it was Kobe/Shaq...
i'm so glad you brought up this point...you fell for my trap SOOOOOOOO EASILY
shaq and penny= many playoff wins and trip to conference finals and nba finals
penny without shaq=not many playoff wins , early exits
kobe and shaq=many playoff wins and trip to conference finals including 3 championships and 4 nba finals
kobe without shaq= 0 playoffs 1 year and early 1st round exit the next
shaq with wade=many playoff wins, trip to conference finals both years and 1 championship
wade without shaq=no playoffs
pattern? i think so
big; yes, winner yes
1.Penny and the Magic did well the year after Shaq left.
2.The whole Laker team broke up after Shaq fucked them, leaving them looking like Kobe+expansion team.
3.Kobe made progress EXTREMELY quick and Lakers only took 2 years to rebuild and become contenders again!
4.Shaq is fat and can't play, but is still getting paid $20 million through 2010.
5.The Heat lost the year Shaq had a bigger role and actually tried staying in shape, but won when the team was built around Wade, with Shaq contributing very little.
6.Kobe > Shaq (even YOU can't deny this)
7.Kobe=entering his prime
8.Shaq=5+ years out of his prime.
9.Lakers>Heat.
10.The end.
1. but did they reach the same apex,lol. no
2. hmmm i wonder why they broke up..gee wiz
3. until they beat a team in the playoffs...they're still in shaq's shadow
4. baaaaaalllin'
5. actually the heat were one game away and in a position to go to the finals til his right hand man went down, not because shaq couldn't lead them. that's less embarrassing than having a team up 3-1 then totally disappearing
6. right now yes, but overall shaq>kobe
7. ...and still can't win in the playoffs
8. ....and still can win in the playoffs
9. the end
1.Of course not, they lost their all-star center, why the fuck would they be the same?
2.Why would you wonder this? There are books written about it, you should check 'em out. Shaq refused to take a backseat to Kobe and demanded $30+ mill a year when he was well out of his prime. Jerry Buss wasn't having it. LOL.
3.Nobody in LA is even thinking about Shaq anymore...Dunno 'bout the situation up in Bakersfield, but he's obviously on your mind.
4.Jaaaaackkkkin'
5.Sorry, but explain to me how being a 7th seeded team and pushing the 2nd seed to a Game 7 is more embarassing than guaranteeing your city a championship that year and not coming through as a top contender. :-X
6. How can you say that? As of now, they're regarded on the same level legacy-wise...And Kobe has about 10 seasons ahead of him, with him still getting better!
7.We'll see.
8.We'll see.
9.No.
10.Yes. 8)
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haha ha ha at least both of them have proven they can lead a team to the finals
LMAO@Payton leading the Heat to the finals, but Kobe not leading the Lakers to the finals. :stupid:
Payton led the Sonics to the finals against your hero MJ, you retard. You were prolly like 5 years old when that happend tho, wouldnt expect you to remember. Shows how much you know about basketball. All you know is purple and gold and the number of hairs on kobes ball sack.
Either way, it was Payton/Kemp, just like it was Kobe/Shaq...
i'm so glad you brought up this point...you fell for my trap SOOOOOOOO EASILY
shaq and penny= many playoff wins and trip to conference finals and nba finals
penny without shaq=not many playoff wins , early exits
kobe and shaq=many playoff wins and trip to conference finals including 3 championships and 4 nba finals
kobe without shaq= 0 playoffs 1 year and early 1st round exit the next
shaq with wade=many playoff wins, trip to conference finals both years and 1 championship
wade without shaq=no playoffs
pattern? i think so
big; yes, winner yes
1.Penny and the Magic did well the year after Shaq left.
2.The whole Laker team broke up after Shaq fucked them, leaving them looking like Kobe+expansion team.
3.Kobe made progress EXTREMELY quick and Lakers only took 2 years to rebuild and become contenders again!
4.Shaq is fat and can't play, but is still getting paid $20 million through 2010.
5.The Heat lost the year Shaq had a bigger role and actually tried staying in shape, but won when the team was built around Wade, with Shaq contributing very little.
6.Kobe > Shaq (even YOU can't deny this)
7.Kobe=entering his prime
8.Shaq=5+ years out of his prime.
9.Lakers>Heat.
10.The end.
1. but did they reach the same apex,lol. no
2. hmmm i wonder why they broke up..gee wiz
3. until they beat a team in the playoffs...they're still in shaq's shadow
4. baaaaaalllin'
5. actually the heat were one game away and in a position to go to the finals til his right hand man went down, not because shaq couldn't lead them. that's less embarrassing than having a team up 3-1 then totally disappearing
6. right now yes, but overall shaq>kobe
7. ...and still can't win in the playoffs
8. ....and still can win in the playoffs
9. the end
1.Of course not, they lost their all-star center, why the fuck would they be the same?
2.Why would you wonder this? There are books written about it, you should check 'em out. Shaq refused to take a backseat to Kobe and demanded $30+ mill a year when he was well out of his prime. Jerry Buss wasn't having it. LOL.
3.Nobody in LA is even thinking about Shaq anymore...Dunno 'bout the situation up in Bakersfield, but he's obviously on your mind.
4.Jaaaaackkkkin'
5.Sorry, but explain to me how being a 7th seeded team and pushing the 2nd seed to a Game 7 is more embarassing than guaranteeing your city a championship that year and not coming through as a top contender. :-X
6. How can you say that? As of now, they're regarded on the same level legacy-wise...And Kobe has about 10 seasons ahead of him, with him still getting better!
7.We'll see.
8.We'll see.
9.No.
10.Yes. 8)
1. end of discussion then...shaq is an indispensible player
2. yeah yeah yeah kobe shaq wha wha wha...but what about the other players on the team, what was the REAL reason hardly anyone stayed to play with kobe....some stuff isn't written in books buddy ;)
3. lol funny how you say that but everyone still gets pumped for a heat/laker game at staples huh?
4. all i know is when i'm 65 and less productive i hope to be earning more than when i was 34, i earned that right
5. that argument would be valid if the heat didn't get that championship lol. like i said , a healthy heat team would have went to the finals. also the heat were a bottom seed team before shaq, traded 4 players from that team for 1 and they became a top seed ,lol . again it's more embarrassing to not make the playoffs and choke the next year than to get to the conference finals hurt and win it all next year.
6. LOL , until kobe gets a championship and an mvp trophy without shaq he's always going to be in his shadow, also he's got to be able to lead a team to a play off win first.
7. i honestly hope he does, or i want melo in LA
8. again i honestly hope the heat make it, it'd be nice to see a heat/lakers finals
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Its a shame that people cant be in a civilized debate w/ NIK, he keeps it cool while others resort to name calling way to quick
Captain save a ho to the rescue again. It's cool to weigh in with your opinions and all, but coming from you, the guy who instigates shit with Grundy constantly, it's a fuckin joke.
Im sorry JROME i lov readin youre posts no homo but Me and Spice tried squashing that Shit with Tanner and he started attacking each of us in threads, thats real spit, go read any of that shit in GSPOT And ull see ;D
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For Seattle
Hersey Hawkins, Nate Mcmilan, Sam Perkins>>>Shawn Kemp\Gary Payton :-X
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haha ha ha at least both of them have proven they can lead a team to the finals
LMAO@Payton leading the Heat to the finals, but Kobe not leading the Lakers to the finals. :stupid:
Payton led the Sonics to the finals against your hero MJ, you retard. You were prolly like 5 years old when that happend tho, wouldnt expect you to remember. Shows how much you know about basketball. All you know is purple and gold and the number of hairs on kobes ball sack.
Either way, it was Payton/Kemp, just like it was Kobe/Shaq...
i'm so glad you brought up this point...you fell for my trap SOOOOOOOO EASILY
shaq and penny= many playoff wins and trip to conference finals and nba finals
penny without shaq=not many playoff wins , early exits
kobe and shaq=many playoff wins and trip to conference finals including 3 championships and 4 nba finals
kobe without shaq= 0 playoffs 1 year and early 1st round exit the next
shaq with wade=many playoff wins, trip to conference finals both years and 1 championship
wade without shaq=no playoffs
pattern? i think so
big; yes, winner yes
1.Penny and the Magic did well the year after Shaq left.
2.The whole Laker team broke up after Shaq fucked them, leaving them looking like Kobe+expansion team.
3.Kobe made progress EXTREMELY quick and Lakers only took 2 years to rebuild and become contenders again!
4.Shaq is fat and can't play, but is still getting paid $20 million through 2010.
5.The Heat lost the year Shaq had a bigger role and actually tried staying in shape, but won when the team was built around Wade, with Shaq contributing very little.
6.Kobe > Shaq (even YOU can't deny this)
7.Kobe=entering his prime
8.Shaq=5+ years out of his prime.
9.Lakers>Heat.
10.The end.
1. but did they reach the same apex,lol. no
2. hmmm i wonder why they broke up..gee wiz
3. until they beat a team in the playoffs...they're still in shaq's shadow
4. baaaaaalllin'
5. actually the heat were one game away and in a position to go to the finals til his right hand man went down, not because shaq couldn't lead them. that's less embarrassing than having a team up 3-1 then totally disappearing
6. right now yes, but overall shaq>kobe
7. ...and still can't win in the playoffs
8. ....and still can win in the playoffs
9. the end
1.Of course not, they lost their all-star center, why the fuck would they be the same?
2.Why would you wonder this? There are books written about it, you should check 'em out. Shaq refused to take a backseat to Kobe and demanded $30+ mill a year when he was well out of his prime. Jerry Buss wasn't having it. LOL.
3.Nobody in LA is even thinking about Shaq anymore...Dunno 'bout the situation up in Bakersfield, but he's obviously on your mind.
4.Jaaaaackkkkin'
5.Sorry, but explain to me how being a 7th seeded team and pushing the 2nd seed to a Game 7 is more embarassing than guaranteeing your city a championship that year and not coming through as a top contender. :-X
6. How can you say that? As of now, they're regarded on the same level legacy-wise...And Kobe has about 10 seasons ahead of him, with him still getting better!
7.We'll see.
8.We'll see.
9.No.
10.Yes. 8)
1. end of discussion then...shaq is an indispensible player
2. yeah yeah yeah kobe shaq wha wha wha...but what about the other players on the team, what was the REAL reason hardly anyone stayed to play with kobe....some stuff isn't written in books buddy ;)
3. lol funny how you say that but everyone still gets pumped for a heat/laker game at staples huh?
4. all i know is when i'm 65 and less productive i hope to be earning more than when i was 34, i earned that right
5. that argument would be valid if the heat didn't get that championship lol. like i said , a healthy heat team would have went to the finals. also the heat were a bottom seed team before shaq, traded 4 players from that team for 1 and they became a top seed ,lol . again it's more embarrassing to not make the playoffs and choke the next year than to get to the conference finals hurt and win it all next year.
6. LOL , until kobe gets a championship and an mvp trophy without shaq he's always going to be in his shadow, also he's got to be able to lead a team to a play off win first.
7. i honestly hope he does, or i want melo in LA
8. again i honestly hope the heat make it, it'd be nice to see a heat/lakers finals
1. What's your point? You remove Penny from that team, and it'd be the same story, they'd get WORSE, not better... Common sense, Jacob.
2. JERRY BUSS decided to rebuild. In fact, players like Derek Fisher wanted to stay badly, but weren't getting offers in favor of a new face for the Lakers...Has nothing to do with your hate for Kobe, buddy.
3. Yea, only now it's Kobe vs. Wade, since Shaq is not even a factor anymore.
4. STILL jaaaaackin...
5. Heat were in a must-win-now situation, not comparable to the Lakers who re-built a contender only a couple years after Shaq departed. The Heat were a 2nd round team, Shaq took them to a 3rd round team...Then Shaq stepped back, and they won the championship the following year. Kobe's Lakers > Wade's Heat.
6. Just like Shaq will always be in the shaddow of a superstar guard carrying him?
7. Melo for Kobe? :puke:
8. Sure would...Heat aren't good enough though.
9. The
10. End
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Its a shame that people cant be in a civilized debate w/ NIK, he keeps it cool while others resort to name calling way to quick
Captain save a ho to the rescue again. It's cool to weigh in with your opinions and all, but coming from you, the guy who instigates shit with Grundy constantly, it's a fuckin joke.
Im sorry JROME i lov readin youre posts no homo but Me and Spice tried squashing that Shit with Tanner and he started attacking each of us in threads, thats real spit, go read any of that shit in GSPOT And ull see ;D
That's cool man, I didn't know that. For real though, Spice has been slingin some personal shit at me straight outta left field so I'm just bringin it back thats all.
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I like Jrome no homo
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Its a shame that people cant be in a civilized debate w/ NIK, he keeps it cool while others resort to name calling way to quick
Captain save a ho to the rescue again. It's cool to weigh in with your opinions and all, but coming from you, the guy who instigates shit with Grundy constantly, it's a fuckin joke.
Im sorry JROME i lov readin youre posts no homo but Me and Spice tried squashing that Shit with Tanner and he started attacking each of us in threads, thats real spit, go read any of that shit in GSPOT And ull see ;D
That's cool man, I didn't know that. For real though, Spice has been slingin some personal shit at me straight outta left field so I'm just bringin it back thats all.
Well Spice is out of line if he is taking personal shots at you
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Spice is never out of line, baaalliiinn
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Spice is never out of line, baaalliiinn
real spit baaalliinnn
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People need to lay off Nik, dude is cool in my book
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People need to lay off Nik, dude is cool in my book
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haha ha ha at least both of them have proven they can lead a team to the finals
LMAO@Payton leading the Heat to the finals, but Kobe not leading the Lakers to the finals. :stupid:
Payton led the Sonics to the finals against your hero MJ, you retard. You were prolly like 5 years old when that happend tho, wouldnt expect you to remember. Shows how much you know about basketball. All you know is purple and gold and the number of hairs on kobes ball sack.
Either way, it was Payton/Kemp, just like it was Kobe/Shaq...
i'm so glad you brought up this point...you fell for my trap SOOOOOOOO EASILY
shaq and penny= many playoff wins and trip to conference finals and nba finals
penny without shaq=not many playoff wins , early exits
kobe and shaq=many playoff wins and trip to conference finals including 3 championships and 4 nba finals
kobe without shaq= 0 playoffs 1 year and early 1st round exit the next
shaq with wade=many playoff wins, trip to conference finals both years and 1 championship
wade without shaq=no playoffs
pattern? i think so
big; yes, winner yes
1.Penny and the Magic did well the year after Shaq left.
2.The whole Laker team broke up after Shaq fucked them, leaving them looking like Kobe+expansion team.
3.Kobe made progress EXTREMELY quick and Lakers only took 2 years to rebuild and become contenders again!
4.Shaq is fat and can't play, but is still getting paid $20 million through 2010.
5.The Heat lost the year Shaq had a bigger role and actually tried staying in shape, but won when the team was built around Wade, with Shaq contributing very little.
6.Kobe > Shaq (even YOU can't deny this)
7.Kobe=entering his prime
8.Shaq=5+ years out of his prime.
9.Lakers>Heat.
10.The end.
1. but did they reach the same apex,lol. no
2. hmmm i wonder why they broke up..gee wiz
3. until they beat a team in the playoffs...they're still in shaq's shadow
4. baaaaaalllin'
5. actually the heat were one game away and in a position to go to the finals til his right hand man went down, not because shaq couldn't lead them. that's less embarrassing than having a team up 3-1 then totally disappearing
6. right now yes, but overall shaq>kobe
7. ...and still can't win in the playoffs
8. ....and still can win in the playoffs
9. the end
1.Of course not, they lost their all-star center, why the fuck would they be the same?
2.Why would you wonder this? There are books written about it, you should check 'em out. Shaq refused to take a backseat to Kobe and demanded $30+ mill a year when he was well out of his prime. Jerry Buss wasn't having it. LOL.
3.Nobody in LA is even thinking about Shaq anymore...Dunno 'bout the situation up in Bakersfield, but he's obviously on your mind.
4.Jaaaaackkkkin'
5.Sorry, but explain to me how being a 7th seeded team and pushing the 2nd seed to a Game 7 is more embarassing than guaranteeing your city a championship that year and not coming through as a top contender. :-X
6. How can you say that? As of now, they're regarded on the same level legacy-wise...And Kobe has about 10 seasons ahead of him, with him still getting better!
7.We'll see.
8.We'll see.
9.No.
10.Yes. 8)
1. end of discussion then...shaq is an indispensible player
2. yeah yeah yeah kobe shaq wha wha wha...but what about the other players on the team, what was the REAL reason hardly anyone stayed to play with kobe....some stuff isn't written in books buddy ;)
3. lol funny how you say that but everyone still gets pumped for a heat/laker game at staples huh?
4. all i know is when i'm 65 and less productive i hope to be earning more than when i was 34, i earned that right
5. that argument would be valid if the heat didn't get that championship lol. like i said , a healthy heat team would have went to the finals. also the heat were a bottom seed team before shaq, traded 4 players from that team for 1 and they became a top seed ,lol . again it's more embarrassing to not make the playoffs and choke the next year than to get to the conference finals hurt and win it all next year.
6. LOL , until kobe gets a championship and an mvp trophy without shaq he's always going to be in his shadow, also he's got to be able to lead a team to a play off win first.
7. i honestly hope he does, or i want melo in LA
8. again i honestly hope the heat make it, it'd be nice to see a heat/lakers finals
1. What's your point? You remove Penny from that team, and it'd be the same story, they'd get WORSE, not better... Common sense, Jacob.
2. JERRY BUSS decided to rebuild. In fact, players like Derek Fisher wanted to stay badly, but weren't getting offers in favor of a new face for the Lakers...Has nothing to do with your hate for Kobe, buddy.
3. Yea, only now it's Kobe vs. Wade, since Shaq is not even a factor anymore.
4. STILL jaaaaackin...
5. Heat were in a must-win-now situation, not comparable to the Lakers who re-built a contender only a couple years after Shaq departed. The Heat were a 2nd round team, Shaq took them to a 3rd round team...Then Shaq stepped back, and they won the championship the following year. Kobe's Lakers > Wade's Heat.
6. Just like Shaq will always be in the shaddow of a superstar guard carrying him?
7. Melo for Kobe? :puke:
8. Sure would...Heat aren't good enough though.
9. The
10. End
1. magic without heat the year before draft, one of the worst teams in the nba...next year with shaq playoff contentder that's my point....shaq=bigger impact
2. lol again what you read and what players really felt are two different things, no one wanted to be around kobe after that season. not even phil.
3. y? why would people care about wade in LA.....oh because he's shaq's dude now....so sorry shaq still matters
4. ironic how i'm arguing over this kind of stuff with a jew
5. take shaq out of the eqation in miami and leave him in LA , Lakers 4/5 championships.....miami 0.....but we know that's not how it worked out so it's shaq 4 rings......kobe 3....contender or not shaq stays with the lakers we win 1 or 2 more. again it's more embarrassing to miss the playoffs than to come up short 1 game of the finals becuase of a major injury. again it's more embarrassing to have 3-1 lead and blow it by not showing up to play for four straight games than to win an NBA championship down 0-2 to a bad ass dallas maverick team.
6. lol how so. shaq leaves penny gets a championship....penny fades out of history. shaq leaves kobe wins a championship...kobe fails to make the playoffs or lead a team to a series win . sorry penny lives in shaq's shadow...kobe lives in shaq's shadow...heat don't make the playoffs....shaq's shadow.
7. if kobe can't win a playoff game, that's who i want.....i refuse to have a KG type situation in LA. kobe might be the best player in the league but he has yet to prove he can win
8. yeah without a healthy shaq they're not,lol in they get in the playoffs and start to roll, i'd be scared if i was the bulls/pistons whoever they might face.
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haha ha ha at least both of them have proven they can lead a team to the finals
LMAO@Payton leading the Heat to the finals, but Kobe not leading the Lakers to the finals. :stupid:
Payton led the Sonics to the finals against your hero MJ, you retard. You were prolly like 5 years old when that happend tho, wouldnt expect you to remember. Shows how much you know about basketball. All you know is purple and gold and the number of hairs on kobes ball sack.
Either way, it was Payton/Kemp, just like it was Kobe/Shaq...
i'm so glad you brought up this point...you fell for my trap SOOOOOOOO EASILY
shaq and penny= many playoff wins and trip to conference finals and nba finals
penny without shaq=not many playoff wins , early exits
kobe and shaq=many playoff wins and trip to conference finals including 3 championships and 4 nba finals
kobe without shaq= 0 playoffs 1 year and early 1st round exit the next
shaq with wade=many playoff wins, trip to conference finals both years and 1 championship
wade without shaq=no playoffs
pattern? i think so
big; yes, winner yes
1.Penny and the Magic did well the year after Shaq left.
2.The whole Laker team broke up after Shaq fucked them, leaving them looking like Kobe+expansion team.
3.Kobe made progress EXTREMELY quick and Lakers only took 2 years to rebuild and become contenders again!
4.Shaq is fat and can't play, but is still getting paid $20 million through 2010.
5.The Heat lost the year Shaq had a bigger role and actually tried staying in shape, but won when the team was built around Wade, with Shaq contributing very little.
6.Kobe > Shaq (even YOU can't deny this)
7.Kobe=entering his prime
8.Shaq=5+ years out of his prime.
9.Lakers>Heat.
10.The end.
1. but did they reach the same apex,lol. no
2. hmmm i wonder why they broke up..gee wiz
3. until they beat a team in the playoffs...they're still in shaq's shadow
4. baaaaaalllin'
5. actually the heat were one game away and in a position to go to the finals til his right hand man went down, not because shaq couldn't lead them. that's less embarrassing than having a team up 3-1 then totally disappearing
6. right now yes, but overall shaq>kobe
7. ...and still can't win in the playoffs
8. ....and still can win in the playoffs
9. the end
1.Of course not, they lost their all-star center, why the fuck would they be the same?
2.Why would you wonder this? There are books written about it, you should check 'em out. Shaq refused to take a backseat to Kobe and demanded $30+ mill a year when he was well out of his prime. Jerry Buss wasn't having it. LOL.
3.Nobody in LA is even thinking about Shaq anymore...Dunno 'bout the situation up in Bakersfield, but he's obviously on your mind.
4.Jaaaaackkkkin'
5.Sorry, but explain to me how being a 7th seeded team and pushing the 2nd seed to a Game 7 is more embarassing than guaranteeing your city a championship that year and not coming through as a top contender. :-X
6. How can you say that? As of now, they're regarded on the same level legacy-wise...And Kobe has about 10 seasons ahead of him, with him still getting better!
7.We'll see.
8.We'll see.
9.No.
10.Yes. 8)
1. end of discussion then...shaq is an indispensible player
2. yeah yeah yeah kobe shaq wha wha wha...but what about the other players on the team, what was the REAL reason hardly anyone stayed to play with kobe....some stuff isn't written in books buddy ;)
3. lol funny how you say that but everyone still gets pumped for a heat/laker game at staples huh?
4. all i know is when i'm 65 and less productive i hope to be earning more than when i was 34, i earned that right
5. that argument would be valid if the heat didn't get that championship lol. like i said , a healthy heat team would have went to the finals. also the heat were a bottom seed team before shaq, traded 4 players from that team for 1 and they became a top seed ,lol . again it's more embarrassing to not make the playoffs and choke the next year than to get to the conference finals hurt and win it all next year.
6. LOL , until kobe gets a championship and an mvp trophy without shaq he's always going to be in his shadow, also he's got to be able to lead a team to a play off win first.
7. i honestly hope he does, or i want melo in LA
8. again i honestly hope the heat make it, it'd be nice to see a heat/lakers finals
1. What's your point? You remove Penny from that team, and it'd be the same story, they'd get WORSE, not better... Common sense, Jacob.
2. JERRY BUSS decided to rebuild. In fact, players like Derek Fisher wanted to stay badly, but weren't getting offers in favor of a new face for the Lakers...Has nothing to do with your hate for Kobe, buddy.
3. Yea, only now it's Kobe vs. Wade, since Shaq is not even a factor anymore.
4. STILL jaaaaackin...
5. Heat were in a must-win-now situation, not comparable to the Lakers who re-built a contender only a couple years after Shaq departed. The Heat were a 2nd round team, Shaq took them to a 3rd round team...Then Shaq stepped back, and they won the championship the following year. Kobe's Lakers > Wade's Heat.
6. Just like Shaq will always be in the shaddow of a superstar guard carrying him?
7. Melo for Kobe? :puke:
8. Sure would...Heat aren't good enough though.
9. The
10. End
1. magic without heat the year before draft, one of the worst teams in the nba...next year with shaq playoff contentder that's my point....shaq=bigger impact
2. lol again what you read and what players really felt are two different things, no one wanted to be around kobe after that season. not even phil.
3. y? why would people care about wade in LA.....oh because he's shaq's dude now....so sorry shaq still matters
4. ironic how i'm arguing over this kind of stuff with a jew
5. take shaq out of the eqation in miami and leave him in LA , Lakers 4/5 championships.....miami 0.....but we know that's not how it worked out so it's shaq 4 rings......kobe 3....contender or not shaq stays with the lakers we win 1 or 2 more. again it's more embarrassing to miss the playoffs than to come up short 1 game of the finals becuase of a major injury. again it's more embarrassing to have 3-1 lead and blow it by not showing up to play for four straight games than to win an NBA championship down 0-2 to a bad ass dallas maverick team.
6. lol how so. shaq leaves penny gets a championship....penny fades out of history. shaq leaves kobe wins a championship...kobe fails to make the playoffs or lead a team to a series win . sorry penny lives in shaq's shadow...kobe lives in shaq's shadow...heat don't make the playoffs....shaq's shadow.
7. if kobe can't win a playoff game, that's who i want.....i refuse to have a KG type situation in LA. kobe might be the best player in the league but he has yet to prove he can win
8. yeah without a healthy shaq they're not,lol in they get in the playoffs and start to roll, i'd be scared if i was the bulls/pistons whoever they might face.
1. "Magic without heat"? LMAO...Your true feelings are leaking, man.
2. Nobody wanted to be around Kobe? Where did you get this from? The "Beat LA" fan-club? LOL. I feel bad for you, sheep.
3. Yea, you're right, everyone in LA is still crying about Shaq, it's not only you. ::)
4. You're a prejudice piece of shit, nobody talks like that besides immature fags and members of the KKK.
5. Lakers woulda' never won another championship with Shaq Albert. Why would they all of a sudden when they lost the last few because of him and his unwillingness to defer?
6. Again, Shaq will ALWAYS be in the shadow of a superstar guard carrying him. Kobe still has 10 years ahead of him to step out of "Shaq's shadow". Shaq has ZERO years ahead of him to prove that he can be the man on his own. Shaq loses.
7. You should write for ESPN.
8. Heat haven't won a game since Shaq returned. Shaq and the Heat SUCK!...No wonder you like football better. :-X
9. Shaq=career over, Kobe=prime beginning.
10. Theeeee End. :-*
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damn NIK OWNS Jacob
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haha ha ha at least both of them have proven they can lead a team to the finals
LMAO@Payton leading the Heat to the finals, but Kobe not leading the Lakers to the finals. :stupid:
Payton led the Sonics to the finals against your hero MJ, you retard. You were prolly like 5 years old when that happend tho, wouldnt expect you to remember. Shows how much you know about basketball. All you know is purple and gold and the number of hairs on kobes ball sack.
Either way, it was Payton/Kemp, just like it was Kobe/Shaq...
i'm so glad you brought up this point...you fell for my trap SOOOOOOOO EASILY
shaq and penny= many playoff wins and trip to conference finals and nba finals
penny without shaq=not many playoff wins , early exits
kobe and shaq=many playoff wins and trip to conference finals including 3 championships and 4 nba finals
kobe without shaq= 0 playoffs 1 year and early 1st round exit the next
shaq with wade=many playoff wins, trip to conference finals both years and 1 championship
wade without shaq=no playoffs
pattern? i think so
big; yes, winner yes
1.Penny and the Magic did well the year after Shaq left.
2.The whole Laker team broke up after Shaq fucked them, leaving them looking like Kobe+expansion team.
3.Kobe made progress EXTREMELY quick and Lakers only took 2 years to rebuild and become contenders again!
4.Shaq is fat and can't play, but is still getting paid $20 million through 2010.
5.The Heat lost the year Shaq had a bigger role and actually tried staying in shape, but won when the team was built around Wade, with Shaq contributing very little.
6.Kobe > Shaq (even YOU can't deny this)
7.Kobe=entering his prime
8.Shaq=5+ years out of his prime.
9.Lakers>Heat.
10.The end.
1. but did they reach the same apex,lol. no
2. hmmm i wonder why they broke up..gee wiz
3. until they beat a team in the playoffs...they're still in shaq's shadow
4. baaaaaalllin'
5. actually the heat were one game away and in a position to go to the finals til his right hand man went down, not because shaq couldn't lead them. that's less embarrassing than having a team up 3-1 then totally disappearing
6. right now yes, but overall shaq>kobe
7. ...and still can't win in the playoffs
8. ....and still can win in the playoffs
9. the end
1.Of course not, they lost their all-star center, why the fuck would they be the same?
2.Why would you wonder this? There are books written about it, you should check 'em out. Shaq refused to take a backseat to Kobe and demanded $30+ mill a year when he was well out of his prime. Jerry Buss wasn't having it. LOL.
3.Nobody in LA is even thinking about Shaq anymore...Dunno 'bout the situation up in Bakersfield, but he's obviously on your mind.
4.Jaaaaackkkkin'
5.Sorry, but explain to me how being a 7th seeded team and pushing the 2nd seed to a Game 7 is more embarassing than guaranteeing your city a championship that year and not coming through as a top contender. :-X
6. How can you say that? As of now, they're regarded on the same level legacy-wise...And Kobe has about 10 seasons ahead of him, with him still getting better!
7.We'll see.
8.We'll see.
9.No.
10.Yes. 8)
1. end of discussion then...shaq is an indispensible player
2. yeah yeah yeah kobe shaq wha wha wha...but what about the other players on the team, what was the REAL reason hardly anyone stayed to play with kobe....some stuff isn't written in books buddy ;)
3. lol funny how you say that but everyone still gets pumped for a heat/laker game at staples huh?
4. all i know is when i'm 65 and less productive i hope to be earning more than when i was 34, i earned that right
5. that argument would be valid if the heat didn't get that championship lol. like i said , a healthy heat team would have went to the finals. also the heat were a bottom seed team before shaq, traded 4 players from that team for 1 and they became a top seed ,lol . again it's more embarrassing to not make the playoffs and choke the next year than to get to the conference finals hurt and win it all next year.
6. LOL , until kobe gets a championship and an mvp trophy without shaq he's always going to be in his shadow, also he's got to be able to lead a team to a play off win first.
7. i honestly hope he does, or i want melo in LA
8. again i honestly hope the heat make it, it'd be nice to see a heat/lakers finals
1. What's your point? You remove Penny from that team, and it'd be the same story, they'd get WORSE, not better... Common sense, Jacob.
2. JERRY BUSS decided to rebuild. In fact, players like Derek Fisher wanted to stay badly, but weren't getting offers in favor of a new face for the Lakers...Has nothing to do with your hate for Kobe, buddy.
3. Yea, only now it's Kobe vs. Wade, since Shaq is not even a factor anymore.
4. STILL jaaaaackin...
5. Heat were in a must-win-now situation, not comparable to the Lakers who re-built a contender only a couple years after Shaq departed. The Heat were a 2nd round team, Shaq took them to a 3rd round team...Then Shaq stepped back, and they won the championship the following year. Kobe's Lakers > Wade's Heat.
6. Just like Shaq will always be in the shaddow of a superstar guard carrying him?
7. Melo for Kobe? :puke:
8. Sure would...Heat aren't good enough though.
9. The
10. End
1. magic without heat the year before draft, one of the worst teams in the nba...next year with shaq playoff contentder that's my point....shaq=bigger impact
2. lol again what you read and what players really felt are two different things, no one wanted to be around kobe after that season. not even phil.
3. y? why would people care about wade in LA.....oh because he's shaq's dude now....so sorry shaq still matters
4. ironic how i'm arguing over this kind of stuff with a jew
5. take shaq out of the eqation in miami and leave him in LA , Lakers 4/5 championships.....miami 0.....but we know that's not how it worked out so it's shaq 4 rings......kobe 3....contender or not shaq stays with the lakers we win 1 or 2 more. again it's more embarrassing to miss the playoffs than to come up short 1 game of the finals becuase of a major injury. again it's more embarrassing to have 3-1 lead and blow it by not showing up to play for four straight games than to win an NBA championship down 0-2 to a bad ass dallas maverick team.
6. lol how so. shaq leaves penny gets a championship....penny fades out of history. shaq leaves kobe wins a championship...kobe fails to make the playoffs or lead a team to a series win . sorry penny lives in shaq's shadow...kobe lives in shaq's shadow...heat don't make the playoffs....shaq's shadow.
7. if kobe can't win a playoff game, that's who i want.....i refuse to have a KG type situation in LA. kobe might be the best player in the league but he has yet to prove he can win
8. yeah without a healthy shaq they're not,lol in they get in the playoffs and start to roll, i'd be scared if i was the bulls/pistons whoever they might face.
1. "Magic without heat"? LMAO...Your true feelings are leaking, man.
2. Nobody wanted to be around Kobe? Where did you get this from? The "Beat LA" fan-club? LOL. I feel bad for you, sheep.
3. Yea, you're right, everyone in LA is still crying about Shaq, it's not only you. ::)
4. You're a prejudice piece of shit, nobody talks like that besides immature fags and members of the KKK.
5. Lakers woulda' never won another championship with Shaq Albert. Why would they all of a sudden when they lost the last few because of him and his unwillingness to defer?
6. Again, Shaq will ALWAYS be in the shadow of a superstar guard carrying him. Kobe still has 10 years ahead of him to step out of "Shaq's shadow". Shaq has ZERO years ahead of him to prove that he can be the man on his own. Shaq loses.
7. You should write for ESPN.
8. Heat haven't won a game since Shaq returned. Shaq and the Heat SUCK!...No wonder you like football better. :-X
9. Shaq=career over, Kobe=prime beginning.
10. Theeeee End. :-*
I really hate the both of you equally ;D
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haha ha ha at least both of them have proven they can lead a team to the finals
LMAO@Payton leading the Heat to the finals, but Kobe not leading the Lakers to the finals. :stupid:
Payton led the Sonics to the finals against your hero MJ, you retard. You were prolly like 5 years old when that happend tho, wouldnt expect you to remember. Shows how much you know about basketball. All you know is purple and gold and the number of hairs on kobes ball sack.
Either way, it was Payton/Kemp, just like it was Kobe/Shaq...
i'm so glad you brought up this point...you fell for my trap SOOOOOOOO EASILY
shaq and penny= many playoff wins and trip to conference finals and nba finals
penny without shaq=not many playoff wins , early exits
kobe and shaq=many playoff wins and trip to conference finals including 3 championships and 4 nba finals
kobe without shaq= 0 playoffs 1 year and early 1st round exit the next
shaq with wade=many playoff wins, trip to conference finals both years and 1 championship
wade without shaq=no playoffs
pattern? i think so
big; yes, winner yes
1.Penny and the Magic did well the year after Shaq left.
2.The whole Laker team broke up after Shaq fucked them, leaving them looking like Kobe+expansion team.
3.Kobe made progress EXTREMELY quick and Lakers only took 2 years to rebuild and become contenders again!
4.Shaq is fat and can't play, but is still getting paid $20 million through 2010.
5.The Heat lost the year Shaq had a bigger role and actually tried staying in shape, but won when the team was built around Wade, with Shaq contributing very little.
6.Kobe > Shaq (even YOU can't deny this)
7.Kobe=entering his prime
8.Shaq=5+ years out of his prime.
9.Lakers>Heat.
10.The end.
1. but did they reach the same apex,lol. no
2. hmmm i wonder why they broke up..gee wiz
3. until they beat a team in the playoffs...they're still in shaq's shadow
4. baaaaaalllin'
5. actually the heat were one game away and in a position to go to the finals til his right hand man went down, not because shaq couldn't lead them. that's less embarrassing than having a team up 3-1 then totally disappearing
6. right now yes, but overall shaq>kobe
7. ...and still can't win in the playoffs
8. ....and still can win in the playoffs
9. the end
1.Of course not, they lost their all-star center, why the fuck would they be the same?
2.Why would you wonder this? There are books written about it, you should check 'em out. Shaq refused to take a backseat to Kobe and demanded $30+ mill a year when he was well out of his prime. Jerry Buss wasn't having it. LOL.
3.Nobody in LA is even thinking about Shaq anymore...Dunno 'bout the situation up in Bakersfield, but he's obviously on your mind.
4.Jaaaaackkkkin'
5.Sorry, but explain to me how being a 7th seeded team and pushing the 2nd seed to a Game 7 is more embarassing than guaranteeing your city a championship that year and not coming through as a top contender. :-X
6. How can you say that? As of now, they're regarded on the same level legacy-wise...And Kobe has about 10 seasons ahead of him, with him still getting better!
7.We'll see.
8.We'll see.
9.No.
10.Yes. 8)
1. end of discussion then...shaq is an indispensible player
2. yeah yeah yeah kobe shaq wha wha wha...but what about the other players on the team, what was the REAL reason hardly anyone stayed to play with kobe....some stuff isn't written in books buddy ;)
3. lol funny how you say that but everyone still gets pumped for a heat/laker game at staples huh?
4. all i know is when i'm 65 and less productive i hope to be earning more than when i was 34, i earned that right
5. that argument would be valid if the heat didn't get that championship lol. like i said , a healthy heat team would have went to the finals. also the heat were a bottom seed team before shaq, traded 4 players from that team for 1 and they became a top seed ,lol . again it's more embarrassing to not make the playoffs and choke the next year than to get to the conference finals hurt and win it all next year.
6. LOL , until kobe gets a championship and an mvp trophy without shaq he's always going to be in his shadow, also he's got to be able to lead a team to a play off win first.
7. i honestly hope he does, or i want melo in LA
8. again i honestly hope the heat make it, it'd be nice to see a heat/lakers finals
1. What's your point? You remove Penny from that team, and it'd be the same story, they'd get WORSE, not better... Common sense, Jacob.
2. JERRY BUSS decided to rebuild. In fact, players like Derek Fisher wanted to stay badly, but weren't getting offers in favor of a new face for the Lakers...Has nothing to do with your hate for Kobe, buddy.
3. Yea, only now it's Kobe vs. Wade, since Shaq is not even a factor anymore.
4. STILL jaaaaackin...
5. Heat were in a must-win-now situation, not comparable to the Lakers who re-built a contender only a couple years after Shaq departed. The Heat were a 2nd round team, Shaq took them to a 3rd round team...Then Shaq stepped back, and they won the championship the following year. Kobe's Lakers > Wade's Heat.
6. Just like Shaq will always be in the shaddow of a superstar guard carrying him?
7. Melo for Kobe? :puke:
8. Sure would...Heat aren't good enough though.
9. The
10. End
1. magic without heat the year before draft, one of the worst teams in the nba...next year with shaq playoff contentder that's my point....shaq=bigger impact
2. lol again what you read and what players really felt are two different things, no one wanted to be around kobe after that season. not even phil.
3. y? why would people care about wade in LA.....oh because he's shaq's dude now....so sorry shaq still matters
4. ironic how i'm arguing over this kind of stuff with a jew
5. take shaq out of the eqation in miami and leave him in LA , Lakers 4/5 championships.....miami 0.....but we know that's not how it worked out so it's shaq 4 rings......kobe 3....contender or not shaq stays with the lakers we win 1 or 2 more. again it's more embarrassing to miss the playoffs than to come up short 1 game of the finals becuase of a major injury. again it's more embarrassing to have 3-1 lead and blow it by not showing up to play for four straight games than to win an NBA championship down 0-2 to a bad ass dallas maverick team.
6. lol how so. shaq leaves penny gets a championship....penny fades out of history. shaq leaves kobe wins a championship...kobe fails to make the playoffs or lead a team to a series win . sorry penny lives in shaq's shadow...kobe lives in shaq's shadow...heat don't make the playoffs....shaq's shadow.
7. if kobe can't win a playoff game, that's who i want.....i refuse to have a KG type situation in LA. kobe might be the best player in the league but he has yet to prove he can win
8. yeah without a healthy shaq they're not,lol in they get in the playoffs and start to roll, i'd be scared if i was the bulls/pistons whoever they might face.
1. "Magic without heat"? LMAO...Your true feelings are leaking, man.
2. Nobody wanted to be around Kobe? Where did you get this from? The "Beat LA" fan-club? LOL. I feel bad for you, sheep.
3. Yea, you're right, everyone in LA is still crying about Shaq, it's not only you. ::)
4. You're a prejudice piece of shit, nobody talks like that besides immature fags and members of the KKK.
5. Lakers woulda' never won another championship with Shaq Albert. Why would they all of a sudden when they lost the last few because of him and his unwillingness to defer?
6. Again, Shaq will ALWAYS be in the shadow of a superstar guard carrying him. Kobe still has 10 years ahead of him to step out of "Shaq's shadow". Shaq has ZERO years ahead of him to prove that he can be the man on his own. Shaq loses.
7. You should write for ESPN.
8. Heat haven't won a game since Shaq returned. Shaq and the Heat SUCK!...No wonder you like football better. :-X
9. Shaq=career over, Kobe=prime beginning.
10. Theeeee End. :-*
1. minor typo oops
2. since you're so keen onbooks what did phil jackson's book say about kobe after the season was over...why did malone retire?
3. answer the question? why would people care about dwyane wade in LA, he didn't do anything to LA, it's because he's shaq's right hand man now and not kobe. if people thought shaq was passe , why would they care so much when dwyane wade came to town
4. lol quit being so touchy
5. shaq won one with the heat and could have easily won two , and the heat are/were a less talented team....the lakers would have had more championships if they woulda kept shaq and kobe together
6. lol so you mean to tell me shaq is in PEnny's shadow, when shaq was the obvious leader of that team, you mean to tell me shaq is in kobe's shadow when shaq was the obvious leader of that team all of those years, you mean to tell me that shaq is in wade's shadow when wade can't even lead the team to a winning record without him,lol .....shaq is a regular season mvp .....penny/kobe/wade have never won a season mvp. shaq has taken every team he was a captain of to at least the finals....penny/kobe/wade havn't been able to do that without him... shaq 4 rings....penny-0 shaq 4 rings....wade-1....shaq 4 rings...kobe-3. like i said until the lakers win another championship they're going to be in shaq's shadow since miami won last year.
7. thank you
8. yeah and kobe was just sooooooo spectacular when he came back huh?lol you crack me up with your logic....shaq had 4 blocks in 15 minutes.....that's pretty impressive for a lazy fat player who can't play anymore quote unquote.
9. career might be over but at least shaq has proven 1) he can successfully lead a team 2) he can consistantly make his teammates better........kobe has not proven any of that. 2 years without shaq and 0 playoff series wins. kobe disappeared in the first round last year, how embarrassing.....like i said if kobe can't win in LA i want carmello.
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haha ha ha at least both of them have proven they can lead a team to the finals
LMAO@Payton leading the Heat to the finals, but Kobe not leading the Lakers to the finals. :stupid:
Payton led the Sonics to the finals against your hero MJ, you retard. You were prolly like 5 years old when that happend tho, wouldnt expect you to remember. Shows how much you know about basketball. All you know is purple and gold and the number of hairs on kobes ball sack.
Either way, it was Payton/Kemp, just like it was Kobe/Shaq...
i'm so glad you brought up this point...you fell for my trap SOOOOOOOO EASILY
shaq and penny= many playoff wins and trip to conference finals and nba finals
penny without shaq=not many playoff wins , early exits
kobe and shaq=many playoff wins and trip to conference finals including 3 championships and 4 nba finals
kobe without shaq= 0 playoffs 1 year and early 1st round exit the next
shaq with wade=many playoff wins, trip to conference finals both years and 1 championship
wade without shaq=no playoffs
pattern? i think so
big; yes, winner yes
1.Penny and the Magic did well the year after Shaq left.
2.The whole Laker team broke up after Shaq fucked them, leaving them looking like Kobe+expansion team.
3.Kobe made progress EXTREMELY quick and Lakers only took 2 years to rebuild and become contenders again!
4.Shaq is fat and can't play, but is still getting paid $20 million through 2010.
5.The Heat lost the year Shaq had a bigger role and actually tried staying in shape, but won when the team was built around Wade, with Shaq contributing very little.
6.Kobe > Shaq (even YOU can't deny this)
7.Kobe=entering his prime
8.Shaq=5+ years out of his prime.
9.Lakers>Heat.
10.The end.
1. but did they reach the same apex,lol. no
2. hmmm i wonder why they broke up..gee wiz
3. until they beat a team in the playoffs...they're still in shaq's shadow
4. baaaaaalllin'
5. actually the heat were one game away and in a position to go to the finals til his right hand man went down, not because shaq couldn't lead them. that's less embarrassing than having a team up 3-1 then totally disappearing
6. right now yes, but overall shaq>kobe
7. ...and still can't win in the playoffs
8. ....and still can win in the playoffs
9. the end
1.Of course not, they lost their all-star center, why the fuck would they be the same?
2.Why would you wonder this? There are books written about it, you should check 'em out. Shaq refused to take a backseat to Kobe and demanded $30+ mill a year when he was well out of his prime. Jerry Buss wasn't having it. LOL.
3.Nobody in LA is even thinking about Shaq anymore...Dunno 'bout the situation up in Bakersfield, but he's obviously on your mind.
4.Jaaaaackkkkin'
5.Sorry, but explain to me how being a 7th seeded team and pushing the 2nd seed to a Game 7 is more embarassing than guaranteeing your city a championship that year and not coming through as a top contender. :-X
6. How can you say that? As of now, they're regarded on the same level legacy-wise...And Kobe has about 10 seasons ahead of him, with him still getting better!
7.We'll see.
8.We'll see.
9.No.
10.Yes. 8)
1. end of discussion then...shaq is an indispensible player
2. yeah yeah yeah kobe shaq wha wha wha...but what about the other players on the team, what was the REAL reason hardly anyone stayed to play with kobe....some stuff isn't written in books buddy ;)
3. lol funny how you say that but everyone still gets pumped for a heat/laker game at staples huh?
4. all i know is when i'm 65 and less productive i hope to be earning more than when i was 34, i earned that right
5. that argument would be valid if the heat didn't get that championship lol. like i said , a healthy heat team would have went to the finals. also the heat were a bottom seed team before shaq, traded 4 players from that team for 1 and they became a top seed ,lol . again it's more embarrassing to not make the playoffs and choke the next year than to get to the conference finals hurt and win it all next year.
6. LOL , until kobe gets a championship and an mvp trophy without shaq he's always going to be in his shadow, also he's got to be able to lead a team to a play off win first.
7. i honestly hope he does, or i want melo in LA
8. again i honestly hope the heat make it, it'd be nice to see a heat/lakers finals
1. What's your point? You remove Penny from that team, and it'd be the same story, they'd get WORSE, not better... Common sense, Jacob.
2. JERRY BUSS decided to rebuild. In fact, players like Derek Fisher wanted to stay badly, but weren't getting offers in favor of a new face for the Lakers...Has nothing to do with your hate for Kobe, buddy.
3. Yea, only now it's Kobe vs. Wade, since Shaq is not even a factor anymore.
4. STILL jaaaaackin...
5. Heat were in a must-win-now situation, not comparable to the Lakers who re-built a contender only a couple years after Shaq departed. The Heat were a 2nd round team, Shaq took them to a 3rd round team...Then Shaq stepped back, and they won the championship the following year. Kobe's Lakers > Wade's Heat.
6. Just like Shaq will always be in the shaddow of a superstar guard carrying him?
7. Melo for Kobe? :puke:
8. Sure would...Heat aren't good enough though.
9. The
10. End
1. magic without heat the year before draft, one of the worst teams in the nba...next year with shaq playoff contentder that's my point....shaq=bigger impact
2. lol again what you read and what players really felt are two different things, no one wanted to be around kobe after that season. not even phil.
3. y? why would people care about wade in LA.....oh because he's shaq's dude now....so sorry shaq still matters
4. ironic how i'm arguing over this kind of stuff with a jew
5. take shaq out of the eqation in miami and leave him in LA , Lakers 4/5 championships.....miami 0.....but we know that's not how it worked out so it's shaq 4 rings......kobe 3....contender or not shaq stays with the lakers we win 1 or 2 more. again it's more embarrassing to miss the playoffs than to come up short 1 game of the finals becuase of a major injury. again it's more embarrassing to have 3-1 lead and blow it by not showing up to play for four straight games than to win an NBA championship down 0-2 to a bad ass dallas maverick team.
6. lol how so. shaq leaves penny gets a championship....penny fades out of history. shaq leaves kobe wins a championship...kobe fails to make the playoffs or lead a team to a series win . sorry penny lives in shaq's shadow...kobe lives in shaq's shadow...heat don't make the playoffs....shaq's shadow.
7. if kobe can't win a playoff game, that's who i want.....i refuse to have a KG type situation in LA. kobe might be the best player in the league but he has yet to prove he can win
8. yeah without a healthy shaq they're not,lol in they get in the playoffs and start to roll, i'd be scared if i was the bulls/pistons whoever they might face.
1. "Magic without heat"? LMAO...Your true feelings are leaking, man.
2. Nobody wanted to be around Kobe? Where did you get this from? The "Beat LA" fan-club? LOL. I feel bad for you, sheep.
3. Yea, you're right, everyone in LA is still crying about Shaq, it's not only you. ::)
4. You're a prejudice piece of shit, nobody talks like that besides immature fags and members of the KKK.
5. Lakers woulda' never won another championship with Shaq Albert. Why would they all of a sudden when they lost the last few because of him and his unwillingness to defer?
6. Again, Shaq will ALWAYS be in the shadow of a superstar guard carrying him. Kobe still has 10 years ahead of him to step out of "Shaq's shadow". Shaq has ZERO years ahead of him to prove that he can be the man on his own. Shaq loses.
7. You should write for ESPN.
8. Heat haven't won a game since Shaq returned. Shaq and the Heat SUCK!...No wonder you like football better. :-X
9. Shaq=career over, Kobe=prime beginning.
10. Theeeee End. :-*
1. minor typo oops
2. since you're so keen onbooks what did phil jackson's book say about kobe after the season was over...why did malone retire?
3. answer the question? why would people care about dwyane wade in LA, he didn't do anything to LA, it's because he's shaq's right hand man now and not kobe. if people thought shaq was passe , why would they care so much when dwyane wade came to town
4. lol quit being so touchy
5. shaq won one with the heat and could have easily won two , and the heat are/were a less talented team....the lakers would have had more championships if they woulda kept shaq and kobe together
6. lol so you mean to tell me shaq is in PEnny's shadow, when shaq was the obvious leader of that team, you mean to tell me shaq is in kobe's shadow when shaq was the obvious leader of that team all of those years, you mean to tell me that shaq is in wade's shadow when wade can't even lead the team to a winning record without him,lol .....shaq is a regular season mvp .....penny/kobe/wade have never won a season mvp. shaq has taken every team he was a captain of to at least the finals....penny/kobe/wade havn't been able to do that without him... shaq 4 rings....penny-0 shaq 4 rings....wade-1....shaq 4 rings...kobe-3. like i said until the lakers win another championship they're going to be in shaq's shadow since miami won last year.
7. thank you
8. yeah and kobe was just sooooooo spectacular when he came back huh?lol you crack me up with your logic....shaq had 4 blocks in 15 minutes.....that's pretty impressive for a lazy fat player who can't play anymore quote unquote.
9. career might be over but at least shaq has proven 1) he can successfully lead a team 2) he can consistantly make his teammates better........kobe has not proven any of that. 2 years without shaq and 0 playoff series wins. kobe disappeared in the first round last year, how embarrassing.....like i said if kobe can't win in LA i want carmello.
1. Sure.
2. Karl Malone left the Lakers because he was hitting on Kobe's wife and Kobe called him out on it...Malone was gunna stay and was actually very supportive of Kobe during the whole Kobe-Shaq BS...
3. Cuz Dwyane Wade is supposedly on Kobe's caliber...It's the same as a Kobe-LeBron showdown. Two young superstars facing eachother. It's supposed to be exciting...Nothing exciting about some fatass who can barely play anymore.
4. I'm not...You're just a white-washed Mexican who sounds like a member of the KKK, that's all.
5. Shaq deferred for Wade, something he never woulda' done for Kobe...Lakers never woulda' won another title with Shaq, especially if they couldn't with Malone and Payton...
6. Despite what you're saying, Shaq still ALWAYS had a superstar guard on top of the league running the offense, feeding him lobs, and making plays for him. Shaq without superstar guard=nothing. Kobe without superstar center=title contender.
7. Your welcome. ;)
8. Kobe still led his team to victories and still played like an all-star on a bad knee...Shaq is playing like shit overall and they've lost every game since his return.
9. LMAO. Carmelo woulda' made a huge difference for the REBUILDING Lakers last year, huh?...You're a moron, Jake.
10. The end.
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WOW Carmello for Kobe? I can't believe I just read that, I don't think even the people over at ESPN would say something like that.
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WOW Carmello for Kobe? I can't believe I just read that, I don't think even the people over at ESPN would say something like that.
if kobe can win in the playoffs i'm not trying to get rid of him, but if he's going to disappear in the playoffs like he did last year than no i do not want him on my team. i don't care how many stats he's able to put up. i want a player who's going to win games on my team. i don't want the lakers turning into the timberwolves, i refuse to see that. i refuse to see my team turn into the sixers i refuse to see that.
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Stick to football Jake
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Stick to football Jake
Damn thats harsh