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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: GangstaBoogy on January 26, 2007, 01:26:21 PM
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Seems like it. Every player, columnist, and television anchor are all pulling for Nash again. I don't have a problem with Nash and I always give credit where its due, but...come on. This guy does NOT deserve 3 MVP awards.
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Dirk Nowitzki deserves the MVP.
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Dirk Nowitzki Kobe Bryant deserves the MVP.
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Dirk Nowitzki Kobe Bryant deserves the MVP.
I ment after Kobe. I thought that was already implied. ;D
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in all fairness to all players
there's only 4 players taht deserve it this year
gilbert arenas
dirk
nash
and kobe
gilbert has an outside chance at winning it depending on what happens the second half of the season
kobe has an better chance at winning it , but depending on what dirk and nash do the second half of the season
now IMO it's between nash and dirk.....those winning streaks are phenominal , right now nash has the edge seeing how he's putting up fucking big numbers with big wins....but again lets just see how the second half of the season rolls til we crown an MVP. but if we were to crown a midseason MVP i can see why THIS year nash could win it. He actually DESERVES IT this year. 2 years ago...shoulda been shaq, last year it should have been kobe. but this year i think it is nash's trophy . again though lets see how the second half of the season goes
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Nash has to be the leader for the MVP due to the fact that his team is still winning and he has better stats than the other 2 years when Nash got the MVP.I can see Arenas getting it before Dirk and Kobe even though i think Kobe deserves way more credit then he is getting from the critics.
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I have a feeling they will never give the MVP to Kobe, we all know he's the best player anyway but it sucks that he doesn't get his props, If they give it to Nash 3 years in a row there is something wrong with that, I don't think even Jordan won it 3 times in a row
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I have a feeling they will never give the MVP to Kobe, we all know he's the best player anyway but it sucks that he doesn't get his props, If they give it to Nash 3 years in a row there is something wrong with that, I don't think even Jordan won it 3 times in a row
I don't think any player as ever won it three times in a row.
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I have a feeling they will never give the MVP to Kobe, we all know he's the best player anyway but it sucks that he doesn't get his props, If they give it to Nash 3 years in a row there is something wrong with that, I don't think even Jordan won it 3 times in a row
I don't think any player as ever won it three times in a row.
actually there's been 2 other players
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I have a feeling they will never give the MVP to Kobe, we all know he's the best player anyway but it sucks that he doesn't get his props, If they give it to Nash 3 years in a row there is something wrong with that, I don't think even Jordan won it 3 times in a row
I don't think any player as ever won it three times in a row.
actually there's been 2 other players
2? Didn't Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, and Larry Bird all win 3 in a row?
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yep ;)
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I have a feeling they will never give the MVP to Kobe, we all know he's the best player anyway but it sucks that he doesn't get his props, If they give it to Nash 3 years in a row there is something wrong with that, I don't think even Jordan won it 3 times in a row
I don't think any player as ever won it three times in a row.
Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain and Larry Bird all won 3 MVPs in a row. Nash is more deserving of the MVP this year than any previous year he won it. Career high in PPG, leading the league in Assists, 2nd in the league in 3 point percentage. Not to mention hes been the catlylist for 2, 15 game winning streaks (only 4 teams to do that in NBA histroy) an all those teams went on to win the title. You could make cases for Kobe and Dirk too, but halfway thru, Id still pick Nash. The only problem that I have with Arenas is that he could have huge games and the Wizards will lose sometimes. He just scored 33 against Nash' Suns and the Wizards still got blown out by Pheonix when Nash had 28 points and 14 assists.
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I have a feeling they will never give the MVP to Kobe, we all know he's the best player anyway but it sucks that he doesn't get his props, If they give it to Nash 3 years in a row there is something wrong with that, I don't think even Jordan won it 3 times in a row
I don't think any player as ever won it three times in a row.
actually there's been 2 other players
I stand corrected.
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I have a feeling they will never give the MVP to Kobe, we all know he's the best player anyway but it sucks that he doesn't get his props, If they give it to Nash 3 years in a row there is something wrong with that, I don't think even Jordan won it 3 times in a row
I don't think any player as ever won it three times in a row.
Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain and Larry Bird all won 3 MVPs in a row. Nash is more deserving of the MVP this year than any previous year he won it. Career high in PPG, leading the league in Assists, 2nd in the league in 3 point percentage. Not to mention hes been the catlylist for 2, 15 game winning streaks (only 4 teams to do that in NBA histroy) an all those teams went on to win the title. You could make cases for Kobe and Dirk too, but halfway thru, Id still pick Nash. The only problem that I have with Arenas is that he could have huge games and the Wizards will lose sometimes. He just scored 33 against Nash' Suns and the Wizards still got blown out by Pheonix when Nash had 28 points and 14 assists.
Yeah but Phoenix is doing the same thing they've been doing. They're always going to lead the league in scoring, assists, fg%, win a lot of games, then lose in the 3rd round of the playoffs. If that's the case then he's the MVP for the next 5 years. Give that shiet to Dirk or Kobe.
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Nash probably deserves it this year, but what about the past 2 years they just gave it to him over more deserving players, Dirk is also a strong candidate look at their record and he's never won one why not give it to him?
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I have a feeling they will never give the MVP to Kobe, we all know he's the best player anyway but it sucks that he doesn't get his props, If they give it to Nash 3 years in a row there is something wrong with that, I don't think even Jordan won it 3 times in a row
I don't think any player as ever won it three times in a row.
Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain and Larry Bird all won 3 MVPs in a row. Nash is more deserving of the MVP this year than any previous year he won it. Career high in PPG, leading the league in Assists, 2nd in the league in 3 point percentage. Not to mention hes been the catlylist for 2, 15 game winning streaks (only 4 teams to do that in NBA histroy) an all those teams went on to win the title. You could make cases for Kobe and Dirk too, but halfway thru, Id still pick Nash. The only problem that I have with Arenas is that he could have huge games and the Wizards will lose sometimes. He just scored 33 against Nash' Suns and the Wizards still got blown out by Pheonix when Nash had 28 points and 14 assists.
Yeah but Phoenix is doing the same thing they've been doing. They're always going to lead the league in scoring, assists, fg%, win a lot of games, then lose in the 3rd round of the playoffs. If that's the case then he's the MVP for the next 5 years. Give that shiet to Dirk or Kobe.
If you gave it to Kobe last year I woulda ended up saying "they lost to the Suns in the playoffs, why not give it to Nash?" Same goes for this year. Its really a toss up. Nash, Kobe or Dirk. I wouldnt argue with any one of them getting the MVP. People are going to have a hard time not voting Nash in when Pheonix is better than last year, and Nash is having a better season than the previous two times he won MVP. Thats all Im saying, not tryin to say Kobe or Dirk doesnt deserve the award.
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i think so
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I don't mind seeing him get it this year because he really is deserving but I truly beleive Kobe was robbed last year.
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I don't mind seeing him get it this year because he really is deserving but I truly beleive Kobe was robbed last year.
+1 for youre screename
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This would be pathetic, Nash does not deserve to be placed in a category with the other 3 time MVPs, IMO he's not even the best on his team!...With that being said, the media will still give it to him, seeing how the MVP award has been a popularity contest for some time now anyways...PeACe
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This would be pathetic, Nash does not deserve to be placed in a category with the other 3 time MVPs, IMO he's not even the best on his team!...With that being said, the media will still give it to him, seeing how the MVP award has been a popularity contest for some time now anyways...PeACe
You got the popularity contest part right, I hink we'd all agree that the all star game is the same thing now
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This would be pathetic, Nash does not deserve to be placed in a category with the other 3 time MVPs, IMO he's not even the best on his team!...With that being said, the media will still give it to him, seeing how the MVP award has been a popularity contest for some time now anyways...PeACe
oh god quit being bias.....they're not going to say "we can't give it to nash for the third year in a row because he's not as good as wilt. bird. or russle" lol no one in the league is . the mvp is the player who means the most to his team an did the most with that team......with the mavs and the suns being the two best teams in the league....it's of corse going to be a closer race between dirk and nash than kobe. nash is having a fabulous year and he'd more than deserve that award if he got it, in all honesty he's less popular than kobe. and he's probably marginally more popular than dirk. if the suns finnish first I"D vote for nash.
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IMO he's not even the best on his team!
So you're finally ready to admit Stoudemire is THAT nigga?
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Kobe. They've always said Kobe was selfish, a ballhog, a "give me the ball" type of guy. This year he's playing always putting the interest of the team first, sharing the ball very well (even with Odom out), averaging 10 or 11 assists per game in a pair of games, he's defending well, he's acting like a real leader. And the Lakers are Winning! Even without Odom. So give him props. Nash? Naaa. C'mon he's already 2x MVP. It's Kobe or Dirk. They've already proved last season they're worth it. So let's give it to one of those two. I'm supporting Kobe just cause he's doing something people thought he wasn't capable of doing. And because Lakers are winning, even without Odom and Brown. So let's give it to him. This is the year. That's the Kobe they should celebrate.
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I'm sure the votes will end up like this
1. Nash
2. Dirk
3. Kobe
Now imo if we finish with 50+ wins, Kobe deserves to win it for the reasons Antonio said above... once again some of these "experts" would prefer to die instead of giving it to Kobe...
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I would personally give it to Dirk, but Nash will get it especially looking at their record, Kobe deserves consideration but if he avgd 35 and still didn't get it I don't see how they are going to give it to him this year
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^^^^ Stats aren't the most important thing in this award... team record is... trust me Kobe got more chances this year than last one to win it... especially since he's seen as a "team player"...
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^^^^ Stats aren't the most important thing in this award... team record is... trust me Kobe got more chances this year than last one to win it... especially since he's seen as a "team player"...
true, but he still has Nash and Dirk to compete with, as he did last year
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^^^ yep.. as I said I don't see him winning it... the only way he would have a shot is if/when LAL got the best record in the NBA...
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Our potentially 4th best record in the West is as impressive as the ones of Dallas and Phoenix, imho. Expecially if you consider we played without Odom, Mihm and Brown, potentially 3 starters. Shit if only we didn't lost those stupid games against wack teams!
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This would be pathetic, Nash does not deserve to be placed in a category with the other 3 time MVPs, IMO he's not even the best on his team!...With that being said, the media will still give it to him, seeing how the MVP award has been a popularity contest for some time now anyways...PeACe
oh god quit being bias.....they're not going to say "we can't give it to nash for the third year in a row because he's not as good as wilt. bird. or russle" lol no one in the league is . the mvp is the player who means the most to his team an did the most with that team......with the mavs and the suns being the two best teams in the league....it's of corse going to be a closer race between dirk and nash than kobe. nash is having a fabulous year and he'd more than deserve that award if he got it, in all honesty he's less popular than kobe. and he's probably marginally more popular than dirk. if the suns finnish first I"D vote for nash.
Jake, go watch your football games, no one in the league deserves to be mentioned with Wilt, Bird, or Russell?....KOBE! Damn, dude, you're terrible. Nash plays no defense, the MVP is about who is the most valuable player in the league, who is the overall best. If someone picks Nash over Kobe, they're INSANE...Nash only plays one end of the court, he's never gunna win a ring, imagine what a fucking big joke it would be in 20 years from now when we look back and see some guy named Steve Nash as a 3-time CONSECUTIVE MVP...No way man, that's fucking ridiculous...And when I say popularity contest, I'm talking about with the media... the ones who vote for it...You've got to be out of your mind if you think Kobe is more popular with the journalists than Nash is...Kobe>>>Nash. Nothing to argue...PeACe
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This would be pathetic, Nash does not deserve to be placed in a category with the other 3 time MVPs, IMO he's not even the best on his team!...With that being said, the media will still give it to him, seeing how the MVP award has been a popularity contest for some time now anyways...PeACe
oh god quit being bias.....they're not going to say "we can't give it to nash for the third year in a row because he's not as good as wilt. bird. or russle" lol no one in the league is . the mvp is the player who means the most to his team an did the most with that team......with the mavs and the suns being the two best teams in the league....it's of corse going to be a closer race between dirk and nash than kobe. nash is having a fabulous year and he'd more than deserve that award if he got it, in all honesty he's less popular than kobe. and he's probably marginally more popular than dirk. if the suns finnish first I"D vote for nash.
Jake, go watch your football games, no one in the league deserves to be mentioned with Wilt, Bird, or Russell?....KOBE! Damn, dude, you're terrible. Nash plays no defense, the MVP is about who is the most valuable player in the league, who is the overall best. If someone picks Nash over Kobe, they're INSANE...Nash only plays one end of the court, he's never gunna win a ring, imagine what a fucking big joke it would be in 20 years from now when we look back and see some guy named Steve Nash as a 3-time CONSECUTIVE MVP...No way man, that's fucking ridiculous...And when I say popularity contest, I'm talking about with the media... the ones who vote for it...You've got to be out of your mind if you think Kobe is more popular with the journalists than Nash is...Kobe>>>Nash. Nothing to argue...PeACe
Oh man you get on my nerves. Thers LOTS to argue about what you just said........But Im not even going to bother.
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17 wins in a row now after todays defeat of Cleveland. 23 points, 15 assists, 0 turnovers for Nash.
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This would be pathetic, Nash does not deserve to be placed in a category with the other 3 time MVPs, IMO he's not even the best on his team!...With that being said, the media will still give it to him, seeing how the MVP award has been a popularity contest for some time now anyways...PeACe
oh god quit being bias.....they're not going to say "we can't give it to nash for the third year in a row because he's not as good as wilt. bird. or russle" lol no one in the league is . the mvp is the player who means the most to his team an did the most with that team......with the mavs and the suns being the two best teams in the league....it's of corse going to be a closer race between dirk and nash than kobe. nash is having a fabulous year and he'd more than deserve that award if he got it, in all honesty he's less popular than kobe. and he's probably marginally more popular than dirk. if the suns finnish first I"D vote for nash.
Jake, go watch your football games, no one in the league deserves to be mentioned with Wilt, Bird, or Russell?....KOBE! Damn, dude, you're terrible. Nash plays no defense, the MVP is about who is the most valuable player in the league, who is the overall best. If someone picks Nash over Kobe, they're INSANE...Nash only plays one end of the court, he's never gunna win a ring, imagine what a fucking big joke it would be in 20 years from now when we look back and see some guy named Steve Nash as a 3-time CONSECUTIVE MVP...No way man, that's fucking ridiculous...And when I say popularity contest, I'm talking about with the media... the ones who vote for it...You've got to be out of your mind if you think Kobe is more popular with the journalists than Nash is...Kobe>>>Nash. Nothing to argue...PeACe
my bad you're right there is ONE player playing right now that deserves to be in the same breath as bird wilt and russle....shaq 8). kobe no. he has yet to lead a team to a playoff win, bird lead teams to mulitiple championships as well as russl, and if it wasn't for russ' teams wilt as well. it's not about stats or nice plays against the spurs today, it's about wins and kobe has yet to proove his ability to lead. Iverson's resume is better in that department.
if the mvp trophy was to go to the BEST player in the league jordan would have won it 10-12 times already. it's about who can lead their team to the most impressive record in the league AND be the most valuable player to that teams success.....hence dirk and nash being the front runners for that ....kobe an outside shot, and arenas even more outside. and how do you know nash isn't going to win a ring....he's led a team to more playoff series win than kobe has...which is none, so looking at history , history favors nash in that department.
also kobe is probably the most famous basketball player right now along with probably iverson, carter and shaq....and even if kobe is 'Hhhhaaaaaaaaaated' by the media he's still more popular amongst them than nash.
this year....nash will win it not because of some jewish conspiracy , but because he played one HELL of a season.
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Kobe gets more All Star votes than Nash. I dont know why you think people hate Kobe. The media has been all over Kobes jock this season, nobody is hating on him. Just because Nash is doing crazy shit right now for Pheonix and putting up HUGE stats doesnt mean anyone is hating on Kobe. Kobe and the Lakers are having a great year, nobody is denying that.
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LMFAO@"No one hates on Kobe"...This is hilarious. "Kobe is more popular with the media than Nash"...LMFAO! Keep 'em comin, guys...
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Wade, LeBron, & Shaq all get hated on much more than Kobe in this forum.
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"Kobe is more popular with the media than Nash"...LMFAO! Keep 'em comin, guys...
nobody said this. And nobody is hating on Kobe. You just made a thread about how Mark Jackson said Kobe was better than Jordan. How are people in the media hating on Kobe? Post some proof. And like Jrome said, Nash and wade get hated on like crazy on this forum. Nobody hate on Kobe bro, Nash is just THAT good.
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^^I never made a thread like that...It's just hilarious when people say "no one hates on Kobe"...Yea, this forum has a lot of Kobe supporters, because we're on a West Coast forum with a majority of Laker fans. But everyone knows that Kobe gets more hate in the NBA than any other superstar, this is common sense...From the "Kobe sucks" chants at the end of road games to the boos he recieved at the all-star game a few years back, to the boos he'd get in some stadiums every time he touches the ball! Kobe has always been a hated individual...He even had a commercial about it...Please realize how ridiculous you guys sound when you claim someone like Nash or Wade is hated anywhere close to as much as a guy like Kobe, ESPECIALLY by the media...Nash is good, don't get me wrong, but he's not MVP matierial IMO, and he's DEFINITELY not 3 time consecutive MVP material...Not even close by my standards...PeACe
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^^I never made a thread like that...It's just hilarious when people say "no one hates on Kobe"...Yea, this forum has a lot of Kobe supporters, because we're on a West Coast forum with a majority of Laker fans. But everyone knows that Kobe gets more hate in the NBA than any other superstar, this is common sense...From the "Kobe sucks" chants at the end of road games to the boos he recieved at the all-star game a few years back, to the boos he'd get in some stadiums every time he touches the ball! Kobe has always been a hated individual...He even had a commercial about it...Please realize how ridiculous you guys sound when you claim someone like Nash or Wade is hated anywhere close to as much as a guy like Kobe, ESPECIALLY by the media...Nash is good, don't get me wrong, but he's not MVP matierial IMO, and he's DEFINITELY not 3 time consecutive MVP material...Not even close by my standards...PeACe
Who all would you place above him and why?
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Gilbert Arenas - He is a better overall player who plays both ends of the court. He has a weaker supporting cast and doesn't play in a stat-inflating system, but his team is still a contender in the east and he still puts up huge numbers every game. also known for knocking down clutch shot after clutch shot. Gilbert Arenas > Steve Nash
Dirk Nowitzki - He is a better overall player. Nash is a second (or even third) option when playing with a player like this. He has proved to be efficient, even improving his rebounding and defense the last couple of seasons, an area where Nash lacks majorly. Dirk Nowitzki >> Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant - Self-explanitory. Leading a battered team and deferring more than ever to obtain a top record without key players. Easily the best player in the league. Kobe Bryant >>> Steve Nash
Those are the top MVP candidtes for now in my book. As for who should get it over Nash, that's an even more extended list. Hell, I'd even go as far as saying Nash isn't the best on his own team! They work a different system down in Phoenix, all 5 players have to be pretty much on the same level for everything to work... Honestly though, who here REALLY thinks Steve Nash is the most valuable player in the league? And who in their right mind thinks he's a 3peat MVP caliber player?! ???
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Honestly though, who here REALLY thinks Steve Nash is the most valuable player in the league? And who in their right mind thinks he's a 3peat MVP caliber player?! ???
I do
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Gilbert Arenas - He is a better overall player who plays both ends of the court. He has a weaker supporting cast and doesn't play in a stat-inflating system, but his team is still a contender in the east and he still puts up huge numbers every game. also known for knocking down clutch shot after clutch shot. Gilbert Arenas > Steve Nash
Dirk Nowitzki - He is a better overall player. Nash is a second (or even third) option when playing with a player like this. He has proved to be efficient, even improving his rebounding and defense the last couple of seasons, an area where Nash lacks majorly. Dirk Nowitzki >> Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant - Self-explanitory. Leading a battered team and deferring more than ever to obtain a top record without key players. Easily the best player in the league. Kobe Bryant >>> Steve Nash
Those are the top MVP candidtes for now in my book. As for who should get it over Nash, that's an even more extended list. Hell, I'd even go as far as saying Nash isn't the best on his own team! They work a different system down in Phoenix, all 5 players have to be pretty much on the same level for everything to work... Honestly though, who here REALLY thinks Steve Nash is the most valuable player in the league? And who in their right mind thinks he's a 3peat MVP caliber player?! ???
lol at nash not even being considered an mvp this year. bias like a motha fucka
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were midway through the season and Dirk is getting my vote, Mavs without Dirk who knows where they would be, the Suns still have like 3 or 4 allstars on their team without Nash
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were midway through the season and Dirk is getting my vote, Mavs without Dirk who knows where they would be, the Suns still have like 3 or 4 allstars on their team without Nash
doesnt matter, go look at their record from last year when Nash wasnt in the lineup...
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were midway through the season and Dirk is getting my vote, Mavs without Dirk who knows where they would be, the Suns still have like 3 or 4 allstars on their team without Nash
doesnt matter, go look at their record from last year when Nash wasnt in the lineup...
they didn't have Amare last year, big difference
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were midway through the season and Dirk is getting my vote, Mavs without Dirk who knows where they would be, the Suns still have like 3 or 4 allstars on their team without Nash
doesnt matter, go look at their record from last year when Nash wasnt in the lineup...
they didn't have Amare last year, big difference
even more reason why he should be MVP
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were midway through the season and Dirk is getting my vote, Mavs without Dirk who knows where they would be, the Suns still have like 3 or 4 allstars on their team without Nash
doesnt matter, go look at their record from last year when Nash wasnt in the lineup...
they didn't have Amare last year, big difference
how is that? Amare is a 20 and 10 player, a big reason why they have the record they have this year, take him out and the Suns ain't scaring too many teams without the big man
even more reason why he should be MVP
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Im not a Nash fan at all but this fucking dude has been straight fire.Look what he has done with his stats and he is winning too.Yeah i know they have had a weak schedule but i dont give a fuck you have to give credit where credit is due.I really dont Think Kobe will ever win one unless he has a dominant team and win over 60 games the media just gives no breaks to him.
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Kobe said to just give the MVP to Dirk. We're after rings in LA. ;D
Seriously though, Nash is playing even better this year than he was last year and the year before. Personally my frontrunners are Kobe, Dirk, Nash, and Duncan in that order. Since we all know that Stern and his media minions will not allow Kobe to ever win an MVP, give it to Dirk, he deserves it.
I don't think you can really consider any other candidates.
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Gilbert Arenas - He is a better overall player who plays both ends of the court. He has a weaker supporting cast and doesn't play in a stat-inflating system, but his team is still a contender in the east and he still puts up huge numbers every game. also known for knocking down clutch shot after clutch shot. Gilbert Arenas > Steve Nash
Dirk Nowitzki - He is a better overall player. Nash is a second (or even third) option when playing with a player like this. He has proved to be efficient, even improving his rebounding and defense the last couple of seasons, an area where Nash lacks majorly. Dirk Nowitzki >> Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant - Self-explanitory. Leading a battered team and deferring more than ever to obtain a top record without key players. Easily the best player in the league. Kobe Bryant >>> Steve Nash
Those are the top MVP candidtes for now in my book. As for who should get it over Nash, that's an even more extended list. Hell, I'd even go as far as saying Nash isn't the best on his own team! They work a different system down in Phoenix, all 5 players have to be pretty much on the same level for everything to work... Honestly though, who here REALLY thinks Steve Nash is the most valuable player in the league? And who in their right mind thinks he's a 3peat MVP caliber player?! ???
lol at nash not even being considered an mvp this year. bias like a motha fucka
How am I bias when I provided reason for what I said...Nash plays one end of the court. No one should ever win the MVP of the league playing 50% of the game...On top of that, I don't even believe he's the best player on his team, and is DEFINITELY a second option on a team with a player like Dirk or Kobe...Now, step your game up and explain why I'm wrong, or shut the fuck up with your nonsense...PeACe
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he might be a second option to Dirk or Kobe but the thing is that he makes the team around him THAT much better which makes him the most valuable player to have on the team. Amare wouldnt be as good without Nash, same goes for Marion, Diaw..... Those guys get AT LEAST 10 points a game becuase of Nash spoonfeeding them baskets.
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he might be a second option to Dirk or Kobe but the thing is that he makes the team around him THAT much better which makes him the most valuable player to have on the team. Amare wouldnt be as good without Nash, same goes for Marion, Diaw..... Those guys get AT LEAST 10 points a game becuase of Nash spoonfeeding them baskets.
That's absurd...If that were the case and reasoning behind it, a point guard would win the award every year. Nash is EXPECTED to contribute the most to his teammates, he's the distributor...That STILL doesn't make him the best, and that's what the MVP is, the best PLAYER, not the best point guard...PeACe
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If Smush was able to do the things Nash can, the Lakers would be winning as many games as Pheonix right now
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If Smush was able to do the things Nash can, the Lakers would be winning as many games as Pheonix right now
Maybe...then again, if Lakers were healthy all season and played mostly sub-.500 teams like the Suns, they could also be winning as many games. but that's all speculation...PeACe
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Gilbert Arenas - He is a better overall player who plays both ends of the court. He has a weaker supporting cast and doesn't play in a stat-inflating system, but his team is still a contender in the east and he still puts up huge numbers every game. also known for knocking down clutch shot after clutch shot. Gilbert Arenas > Steve Nash
Dirk Nowitzki - He is a better overall player. Nash is a second (or even third) option when playing with a player like this. He has proved to be efficient, even improving his rebounding and defense the last couple of seasons, an area where Nash lacks majorly. Dirk Nowitzki >> Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant - Self-explanitory. Leading a battered team and deferring more than ever to obtain a top record without key players. Easily the best player in the league. Kobe Bryant >>> Steve Nash
Those are the top MVP candidtes for now in my book. As for who should get it over Nash, that's an even more extended list. Hell, I'd even go as far as saying Nash isn't the best on his own team! They work a different system down in Phoenix, all 5 players have to be pretty much on the same level for everything to work... Honestly though, who here REALLY thinks Steve Nash is the most valuable player in the league? And who in their right mind thinks he's a 3peat MVP caliber player?! ???
lol at nash not even being considered an mvp this year. bias like a motha fucka
How am I bias when I provided reason for what I said...Nash plays one end of the court. No one should ever win the MVP of the league playing 50% of the game...On top of that, I don't even believe he's the best player on his team, and is DEFINITELY a second option on a team with a player like Dirk or Kobe...Now, step your game up and explain why I'm wrong, or shut the fuck up with your nonsense...PeACe
nash plays the game like a soccer player, afterall in the offseason that is what he does. i believe his brother is a soccer player in canada or something. anyways. the reason WHY nash is so successful in that system is because he's built to run and gun on the wing. take out nash on that team and the suns are a team that no one takes serious ....hence the year before they get nash and the games they play without him. is nash their best scorer...no, but neither was magic when he won. is nash their best defender...no, but neither was malone or barkley when they won it either. but nash is the definate LEADER of that team. the other 11 players on that team are the car , but nash is the driver. but that's not the point of the MVP award, it's not about individual accomplishments, which probably hurt kobe last year from getting it (i think kobe deserved it last year more btw). this generation is too use to the michael jordan mold. the award is about the leader of the team with the mos impressive record, not the best record necessarily, but the most impressive. also a major factor of the award is how valuable that player is to that team. a typically that's historically how the award is voted for and defined. if we were to award the mvp trophy to the best player in the league jordan would have 10plus mvps. when malone won it a few years back. jordan was absolutely at the top of his game, the best player EVER at that moment in history. but malone won it....why? because of the way the mvp is defined, and as much as i hated malone back then i had to step back from my bias and say "he deserved it" when charles barkley won it , jordan again was the best player on.
again the mvp isn't the 'best player' award it's the most valuable player award .with the way pheonix is winning and the way nash is playing.....he deserves to win it this year, imo the suns will have to go through a huge slump before nash is out of the running. and if that happens dirk is the mvp....imo arenas and kobe already fucked that up.....they beat good teams then fall to teams like the hornets or the bobcats, you can't do that be the 4th 5th seeds and be the mvp
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Gilbert Arenas - He is a better overall player who plays both ends of the court. He has a weaker supporting cast and doesn't play in a stat-inflating system, but his team is still a contender in the east and he still puts up huge numbers every game. also known for knocking down clutch shot after clutch shot. Gilbert Arenas > Steve Nash
Dirk Nowitzki - He is a better overall player. Nash is a second (or even third) option when playing with a player like this. He has proved to be efficient, even improving his rebounding and defense the last couple of seasons, an area where Nash lacks majorly. Dirk Nowitzki >> Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant - Self-explanitory. Leading a battered team and deferring more than ever to obtain a top record without key players. Easily the best player in the league. Kobe Bryant >>> Steve Nash
Those are the top MVP candidtes for now in my book. As for who should get it over Nash, that's an even more extended list. Hell, I'd even go as far as saying Nash isn't the best on his own team! They work a different system down in Phoenix, all 5 players have to be pretty much on the same level for everything to work... Honestly though, who here REALLY thinks Steve Nash is the most valuable player in the league? And who in their right mind thinks he's a 3peat MVP caliber player?! ???
lol at nash not even being considered an mvp this year. bias like a motha fucka
How am I bias when I provided reason for what I said...Nash plays one end of the court. No one should ever win the MVP of the league playing 50% of the game...On top of that, I don't even believe he's the best player on his team, and is DEFINITELY a second option on a team with a player like Dirk or Kobe...Now, step your game up and explain why I'm wrong, or shut the fuck up with your nonsense...PeACe
nash plays the game like a soccer player, afterall in the offseason that is what he does. i believe his brother is a soccer player in canada or something. anyways. the reason WHY nash is so successful in that system is because he's built to run and gun on the wing. take out nash on that team and the suns are a team that no one takes serious ....hence the year before they get nash and the games they play without him. is nash their best scorer...no, but neither was magic when he won. is nash their best defender...no, but neither was malone or barkley when they won it either. but nash is the definate LEADER of that team. the other 11 players on that team are the car , but nash is the driver. but that's not the point of the MVP award, it's not about individual accomplishments, which probably hurt kobe last year from getting it (i think kobe deserved it last year more btw). this generation is too use to the michael jordan mold. the award is about the leader of the team with the mos impressive record, not the best record necessarily, but the most impressive. also a major factor of the award is how valuable that player is to that team. a typically that's historically how the award is voted for and defined. if we were to award the mvp trophy to the best player in the league jordan would have 10plus mvps. when malone won it a few years back. jordan was absolutely at the top of his game, the best player EVER at that moment in history. but malone won it....why? because of the way the mvp is defined, and as much as i hated malone back then i had to step back from my bias and say "he deserved it" when charles barkley won it , jordan again was the best player on.
again the mvp isn't the 'best player' award it's the most valuable player award .with the way pheonix is winning and the way nash is playing.....he deserves to win it this year, imo the suns will have to go through a huge slump before nash is out of the running. and if that happens dirk is the mvp....imo arenas and kobe already fucked that up.....they beat good teams then fall to teams like the hornets or the bobcats, you can't do that be the 4th 5th seeds and be the mvp
It's the most valuable player in the league, not the most valuable player to the team. How can you even judge value to a team, can you honestly say Nash is more valuable to the Suns than Kobe is to the Lakers? ESPECIALLY last year? No, you can't...But you can clearly say Kobe was a more valuable player overall, and that's how I believe they should award the trophy, not based on some bullshit that'll have some little whiteboy like Nash who would get tortured in an all-time great pickup game of basketball win it every time...Nash runs the offense in Phoenix tremendously, don't get me wrong, probably better than anyone else would be able to...But is he a more valuable player than Kobe? Hell no. Does he distribute more than Kobe? Yes...But this isn't the "Point Guard of the Year" award...PeACe
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Gilbert Arenas - He is a better overall player who plays both ends of the court. He has a weaker supporting cast and doesn't play in a stat-inflating system, but his team is still a contender in the east and he still puts up huge numbers every game. also known for knocking down clutch shot after clutch shot. Gilbert Arenas > Steve Nash
Dirk Nowitzki - He is a better overall player. Nash is a second (or even third) option when playing with a player like this. He has proved to be efficient, even improving his rebounding and defense the last couple of seasons, an area where Nash lacks majorly. Dirk Nowitzki >> Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant - Self-explanitory. Leading a battered team and deferring more than ever to obtain a top record without key players. Easily the best player in the league. Kobe Bryant >>> Steve Nash
Those are the top MVP candidtes for now in my book. As for who should get it over Nash, that's an even more extended list. Hell, I'd even go as far as saying Nash isn't the best on his own team! They work a different system down in Phoenix, all 5 players have to be pretty much on the same level for everything to work... Honestly though, who here REALLY thinks Steve Nash is the most valuable player in the league? And who in their right mind thinks he's a 3peat MVP caliber player?! ???
lol at nash not even being considered an mvp this year. bias like a motha fucka
How am I bias when I provided reason for what I said...Nash plays one end of the court. No one should ever win the MVP of the league playing 50% of the game...On top of that, I don't even believe he's the best player on his team, and is DEFINITELY a second option on a team with a player like Dirk or Kobe...Now, step your game up and explain why I'm wrong, or shut the fuck up with your nonsense...PeACe
nash plays the game like a soccer player, afterall in the offseason that is what he does. i believe his brother is a soccer player in canada or something. anyways. the reason WHY nash is so successful in that system is because he's built to run and gun on the wing. take out nash on that team and the suns are a team that no one takes serious ....hence the year before they get nash and the games they play without him. is nash their best scorer...no, but neither was magic when he won. is nash their best defender...no, but neither was malone or barkley when they won it either. but nash is the definate LEADER of that team. the other 11 players on that team are the car , but nash is the driver. but that's not the point of the MVP award, it's not about individual accomplishments, which probably hurt kobe last year from getting it (i think kobe deserved it last year more btw). this generation is too use to the michael jordan mold. the award is about the leader of the team with the mos impressive record, not the best record necessarily, but the most impressive. also a major factor of the award is how valuable that player is to that team. a typically that's historically how the award is voted for and defined. if we were to award the mvp trophy to the best player in the league jordan would have 10plus mvps. when malone won it a few years back. jordan was absolutely at the top of his game, the best player EVER at that moment in history. but malone won it....why? because of the way the mvp is defined, and as much as i hated malone back then i had to step back from my bias and say "he deserved it" when charles barkley won it , jordan again was the best player on.
again the mvp isn't the 'best player' award it's the most valuable player award .with the way pheonix is winning and the way nash is playing.....he deserves to win it this year, imo the suns will have to go through a huge slump before nash is out of the running. and if that happens dirk is the mvp....imo arenas and kobe already fucked that up.....they beat good teams then fall to teams like the hornets or the bobcats, you can't do that be the 4th 5th seeds and be the mvp
It's the most valuable player in the league, not the most valuable player to the team. How can you even judge value to a team, can you honestly say Nash is more valuable to the Suns than Kobe is to the Lakers? ESPECIALLY last year? No, you can't...But you can clearly say Kobe was a more valuable player overall, and that's how I believe they should award the trophy, not based on some bullshit that'll have some little whiteboy like Nash who would get tortured in an all-time great pickup game of basketball win it every time...Nash runs the offense in Phoenix tremendously, don't get me wrong, probably better than anyone else would be able to...But is he a more valuable player than Kobe? Hell no. Does he distribute more than Kobe? Yes...But this isn't the "Point Guard of the Year" award...PeACe
did you read my post? i said kobe deserved it more last year....holy moses herschel. also you're talking about how YOU think the mvp should be voted on....you're showing an ignorance to how the mvp is voted upon and has been voted upon for YEARS. yes that's how the MVP is voted upon the the most valuable player to the team with the most impressive record. not the best player in the league, like i said if that was the case jordan would have 10 plus mvps. and it's not about how well nash distributes the ball. it's how well nash fits into the definition the NBA has set up for it's MVP.
leader of the suns=steve nash
most impressive record in the league=the pheonix suns
mvp=steve nash .....as of right now, who knows it might change
2005/2006
leader of the lakers-kobe
most impressive record in the league=la lakers
mvp should've been kobe....was robbed
2004-2005
leader of the heat-shaq
most impressive record in the league=miami heat
mvp should've been shaq...
steve nash DID not deserve it the last two years but he more than deserves it this year.
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It's a dilemma. On the one hand you got Nash playing better than ever, on the other hand it would be crazy to give it to him 3 times in a row. But if you don't give it to him this year, you kind of diss the fact that you gave it to him the years before. Fucked up situation, thank God I don't have to vote on this. LOL.
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did you read my post? i said kobe deserved it more last year....holy moses herschel. also you're talking about how YOU think the mvp should be voted on....you're showing an ignorance to how the mvp is voted upon and has been voted upon for YEARS. yes that's how the MVP is voted upon the the most valuable player to the team with the most impressive record. not the best player in the league, like i said if that was the case jordan would have 10 plus mvps. and it's not about how well nash distributes the ball. it's how well nash fits into the definition the NBA has set up for it's MVP.
leader of the suns=steve nash
most impressive record in the league=the pheonix suns
mvp=steve nash .....as of right now, who knows it might change
2005/2006
leader of the lakers-kobe
most impressive record in the league=la lakers
mvp should've been kobe....was robbed
2004-2005
leader of the heat-shaq
most impressive record in the league=miami heat
mvp should've been shaq...
steve nash DID not deserve it the last two years but he more than deserves it this year.
How is the Suns record more impressive than the Lakers record when they played motsly sub-.500 teams and the Lakers had half of their players injured for most of the season so far, including Odom for 21 games and Kwame even more than that...Either way, if the dumbass journalists vote on the MVP based on who they think is most valuable to their team then that doesn't mean they're right, Jake. The MVP is not a team award, it's a league award...And Steve Nash is not MVP (let alone 3-time consecutive MVP) material in my book...PeACe
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did you read my post? i said kobe deserved it more last year....holy moses herschel. also you're talking about how YOU think the mvp should be voted on....you're showing an ignorance to how the mvp is voted upon and has been voted upon for YEARS. yes that's how the MVP is voted upon the the most valuable player to the team with the most impressive record. not the best player in the league, like i said if that was the case jordan would have 10 plus mvps. and it's not about how well nash distributes the ball. it's how well nash fits into the definition the NBA has set up for it's MVP.
leader of the suns=steve nash
most impressive record in the league=the pheonix suns
mvp=steve nash .....as of right now, who knows it might change
2005/2006
leader of the lakers-kobe
most impressive record in the league=la lakers
mvp should've been kobe....was robbed
2004-2005
leader of the heat-shaq
most impressive record in the league=miami heat
mvp should've been shaq...
steve nash DID not deserve it the last two years but he more than deserves it this year.
How is the Suns record more impressive than the Lakers record when they played motsly sub-.500 teams and the Lakers had half of their players injured for most of the season so far, including Odom for 21 games and Kwame even more than that...Either way, if the dumbass journalists vote on the MVP based on who they think is most valuable to their team then that doesn't mean they're right, Jake. The MVP is not a team award, it's a league award...And Steve Nash is not MVP (let alone 3-time consecutive MVP) material in my book...PeACe
unless you can change 50 plus years of the way players are voted for ....it's only your opinion
unless you can
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Every journalist votes by his own standards...There isn't a guide to voting on the MVP, it's a pretty self explanatory award...MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. The dumbass media will find any reason to give the award to who they like most, and that's how it's been every year for quite some time now...PeACe
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MVP or not, Nash is fuckin crazy. 18 assits lastnight, It seems like now 15-20 assists is normal for him, hes doing it all the time these days.
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NIK, to be fair, Magic won the MVP 3 times and he was never known for his defense.
I'm not saying that Nash is as good as Magic since he isn't but he's the closest thing to Magic in the game today. Kobe should have won last year but it's not like Nash didn't earn it and Nash is playing even better this year. For a guard to shoot over 50% from the field is astonishing. He made a scrub like Tim Thomas a multimillionaire.
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NIK, to be fair, Magic won the MVP 3 times and he was never known for his defense.
I'm not saying that Nash is as good as Magic since he isn't but he's the closest thing to Magic in the game today. Kobe should have won last year but it's not like Nash didn't earn it and Nash is playing even better this year. For a guard to shoot over 50% from the field is astonishing. He made a scrub like Tim Thomas a multimillionaire.
Comparing Magic to Nash is a fucking joke, homie...Magic was still always a solid defender and even played very good defense in his prime years... not even semi-comparable to the type of player that gets beat off the dribble every time down on the defensive end, pretty much relying on secondary defense each and every time...
And sorry, man, it was the SYSTEM that made Tim Thomas a multimillionare, not Nash. A system that allows you to run around and jack up shots at will is always gunna make a player like Tim Thomas look good...Not saying Nash has nothing to do with it, but he's definitely not the sole purpose...PeACe