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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: mellowman on October 21, 2001, 07:06:08 PM
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whats up y'all. i'm gonna hit ya up with a gang of threads this week. there's a reason for that, which some of you may already see coming. i'll address that later in the week cause i want the attention on the content of the threads, not me. anyways i've been hearing a lot of complaints about dre not releasing any aftermath products and having all this time to do collaberations. there is a misconception and an assumption that because dre has not released any aftermath albums that he is spending a lot of his time on non aftermath collabertions. this thread is to squash that assumption with the truth. the fact is that when dre is doing an aftermath release he usually records 50 to 100 tracks. therefore it takes from 6 to 12 months to get an album ready. thats the way dre has always operated and thats the way it will always be. and right now dre is working on a lot of aftermath releases. the fact is that dre spends very little time on non aftermath collaberations, and a lot of time on aftermath tracks. the wash was a bit different because lions gate pushed the release date up so much (dre had no control over this). i want to focus on the thread topic so for now i wont talk about the wash any more for now.
the fact is that dre's outside collaberations never take more than a couple of days. the most important point is that all of the artists come to the studio which dre happens to be working, not vice versa. most artists have to get a time scheduled. and they hardly ever get more than 2 or 3 days. examples include mack 10, devin, mary j, bilal.warren, nate, busta, etc.
how does the process work? most of the time like this: the artist comes into the studio and dre pulls up various instrumentals that he, mel, mike, and scott have been working on. once they find a few instrumentals with the right fit they record the vocals, add new sounds and instruments. then dre will layer and mix everything. the vocals have to be perfected. dre can do the rest, but the artist has to be on hand while dre is perfecting the vocals so they can redo something over and over again til dre is happy. so thats how it happens. sometimes dre and the musicans will work with the artists and create beats and songs from scratch (ex. d12). sometimes dre will just give artists a tape of beats or a single beat and let them work on it without dre, til they get a chance to get together at a studio. once in a while dre and the artist never get a chance to get together in the studio. an example of this is the no doubt track. dre gave gwen a instrumental but the track never got finished cause gwen never got what she wanted and they never got in the studio together to finish. just a little tidbit about dre's collab with gwen on blow your mind. gwen was never in the studio with dre. gwen sent dre through interscope her vocals and dre mixed them in. thats why her vocals aren't very prominent on the track.
anyways, i got off topic. the fact is that since most of dre's non aftermath collabs only have a short time to do the tracks only 2 or 3 usuable tracks get done. an abberation of this was the busta rhymes recording sessions.
this summer busta got a 2 day time allotment to get tracks done for his genesis album. it was easily the most productive 2 or 3 day recording session ive ever been a part of. dre, melvin, mike, scott and busta just got going and got into an incredible zone. along with those 5 their were some engineers and a couple side musicians who came in and out. but the big 5 hunkered down in a (recording studio) cave like that faggot bin laden and didn't come out until time was up. and since everyone alternated breaks for chronic, naps and snacks, the session basically went non stop. but when each track that gets used is worth 6 figures its easy to stay awake and keep working. in the end of the session there were 8 really dope tracks to choose from. 6 out of the 8 will be released in the next two months. all of them are ridiculuous, but my favorites are full moon, bounce and break ya neck.
the only non aftermath artists dre has spent a lot of time with recently are xzibit and knocturnal. x last year and knoc this year. dre is doing for knoc what he did for xzibit. he sees star potential in knoc and wants to make sure he blows up. thats what dre loves to do the most. find no name unpolished diamonds and help them become solid gold stars. dre has done this with 10 to 15 artists from nwa, snoop, em and many others. he will continue to do this unlike most big producers in the industry (aka rodney jerkins). of course dre would love to have x and knoc on aftermath but it cant happen due to contracts, loyalty and other music business factors. but that wont stop dre from putting in the time, with not a whole lot of financial gain, to make sure that their talents are maximized and that they blow up. my next few threads will focus on the main artists on the aftermath roster - truth hurts, hittman, rakim and eminem. before i leave here is a trivia question for ya. what released dre produced track can you hear dre play the trumpet? (there is a few more that have not been released yet). later.
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whoa mello mello come back hard ,, but thats good real good ;D
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good shit thanks man
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Great post, thanks Mellow
As far as the trivia goes I think it's eighter On The Boulevard or Whats the Difference.
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Play The Trumpet? Oh Shit, LOL. Um. I Have No Idea, Off The Tip I Can't Think Of A Dre Track With A Definite Trumpet, But I'll Go With "Doggy Dogg World" But I'll Bet You're Talking About Something Newer. I'll Bet That Was Dre When They Bleep Snoop Out On The "Speakin' Of Joints, Lets Get To The Point, YOu Think You Got The Bomb Cuz I "BWAH BWAH BWAH BWAH BWAH". LOL Might NOt Even Be A Trumpet, There's Some Trombone In There.
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nice post, lookin' forward to the next set of threads.. I've been reading on some other hiphop boards rumoured that Dre signed Joe Beast, know anythin' about that? my bad if it's already been discussed..
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yo mellowman
why didnt u tell dre 2 use some of the unreleased joints like some of the 90 tracks from the 2001 period for the wash soundtrack,,,,cuz i got it and that shit is weak!!!!!!!!!
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is mellow-man really affiliated with Dre?? Wat the hell ???
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no comment, but the wash is pretty damn dope for a sdtk.. and say what u want but i thinks its the best sdtk since MWTC..
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no comment, but the wash is pretty damn dope for a sdtk.. and say what u want but i thinks its the best sdtk since MWTC..
pleezbaleevit!!!!!!!!!!
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TIIIIIGht, i always kind've wondered about how that shit worked out i kinda figured that's kinda how dre worked on his non aftermath work but thanks for the clearification
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a quick reponse to another "assumption" that when i said dre used existing instrumentals that i meant he used 2001 leftovers. why do you assume such things? and if you think the tracks are weak i don't have anything to say too ya. i think a majority will disagree with ya. oh well just another example of impossible expectations. when i said he used exising instrumentals I DID NOT MEAN 2001 LEFTOVERS!!! do you really think that dre just sits around and used old tracks from 2 or 3 years ago? all the 2001 leftovers were used right away - chin check, hello as examples. due to time constraints a lot of the outside collabs make it tough to wait til the artist gets there and then bring in musicians and start from scratch. that happens when aftermath artists are there cause they have time to do it that way. believe it or not dre does work hard even when artists are not laying down vocals. the exisitng instrumentals that i was refering too can be as old as one day. dre, mel-man, and the core musicians mike (bass, keys, upright bass, guitar) and scott (keys) put in a lot of time when artists aren't around. some days they will just be by themselves all day making instrumentals. there are days they will get a couple tracks/instrumentals they like, and there are days they might find a groove and bang out dozens. they can last from 11 am to the following 11 am. dre has instrumentals in the thousands, hundreds from the last quarter. most get discarded, and the rest turn into tracks .which in turn. those will get vocals added. some will get shelved as a leftover. the others end up on the albums you hear. so a lot of times dre will have tracks they did from the last few days when no artists are there. and when they do come he will find ones that match the artists and they put the vocals and work together to perfect the track. on the other hand a lot of tracks come from dre, mel and the musicians hanging out with artists doing all night jam sessions working as a team throwing out ideas which turn into tracks which end up in the hands of dre to come to life. mix, engineer and perfect. this last mathod was how the chronic was done. all the original inmates, broke as fuck, hungier than hel, working and partying all day and all night cause they had no where else to go. so i hope this sets your "assumption" straight. like i said before "unless you there, dont guess".goodnight y'all.
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amen my unknown yet famous freind i kno who u r i wont say nada
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Man...reading this from our partna mel
its like a full course meal....im all full..with good info....
keep funkin...
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looks like mellow is callin me out? but i got nuthin but love 4 him i am just disappointed with the soundtrack. this is not the dre that im used 2! how r we gonna know if they were leftovers if we neva heard em dogg?
but im not gonna sweat this thanks 4 blessin us wit your info homie
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Damn, this shit is cool to know. I have always wondered how that whole process works.
Is there any particular reason why "Blow My Buzz" is on The Wash? Is the song used in the movie? Does Dre just like that song? Is it to get more promotion for "Devil's Night"? I'm just wondering why you guys chose that song rather than another one.
One more question, How come Mel-Man doesn't rap anymore?
Peace Mel
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hey dan i apologize if you thought i was callin you out. it wasn't personal. i didn't even look at who posted it. but since you were the one who did i will apolgize to you. i realize that you ain't gonna like everything, but what do you want from dre? the songs he produced may not be above or below a person's standard of dre's beats, but a lot of those tracks are as good an inventive of anything out there. but again, even though i did not call you out cause i never mentioned your name, i do apolozize. but i hope you now have a better idea of the process. and suga foot the song blow my buzz is in the movie and was a replacement for the dre/snoop cuts that didn't get done. that story is in another thread i just did. and mel-man dont rap anymore cause he wants to stay behind the scenes and focus on doing beats and helping everybody else blow up. peace.
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i guess your right u didnt really say my name! thanks 4 comin by the board! one question though can suge release dres old material on death row??????
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Thanks Mel.
I got another question, or rather a thought. Dre owns Aftermath. He produces tracks. He raps. He does interviews, photoshoots, promotional tours, etc. That's a lot of shit to be doing. He not only has to deal with the public and the fans, he has to deal with the business end of things too. Damn, he's one hard worker.
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yo why wasnt doggz 4 life used on this soundtrack it woulda been a perfect fit!!! also when is the next video from the soundtrack droppin???????
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whats up y'all. i'm gonna hit ya up with a gang of threads this week. there's a reason for that, which some of you may already see coming. i'll address that later in the week cause i want the attention on the content of the threads, not me.
In Case Yall Didn't Read Between The Lines, I'll Bet Mellow's Ghost At The End Of The Week. Man, I Hope Not. Dogg, We REALLY Appreciate You Comin' Up On Here, Ther'es Haters Everywhere In Life, Don't Let A Few Bad Apples Spoil The Basket Or Whatever, You Know.
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oh hope he doesn't decide to never post again, this info is so good. Never have been anywhere where you get so much good info on dpg and dpg related things.
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I think the song dre played trumpet on is" you can't c me "by
2pac.
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whats the difference
lets get high
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whats the difference
That was my guess Jay, but in the "2001" booklet, there is a pic of some musicans playing trumpets in the studio. Thanx Mellow.
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I Think I Might Be Right! Doggy Dogg World?
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I Think I Might Be Right! Doggy Dogg World?
When do the trumpets come up in that?
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When do the trumpets come up in that?
yeah I was waitin for a few minutes but didnt hear anything LoL
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I don't think it's "What's the difference". I think Phish helped out in that song.
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I don't think it's "What's the difference". I think Phish helped out in that song.
Yeah i thought I remember hearin bout that before...Is it in the 2001 booklet or anygthing?
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I think it's either "The Watcher", or "California Love"
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I think it's either "The Watcher", or "California Love"
Shit, that might be right.
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and the winner to the trivia question is................................................................
sugafoot? but which track? the answer in a second. first though, i think you guys are imagining the sound of a trumpet on a lot of the tracks you guessed. if i could just use my keyboard here to play you what a trumpet sounds like ;)
since you can't here it i wont. anyways like i mentioned before dre has always played the keyboards well. right before leaving death row he bought a trumpet so he could learn. If any of you have ever learned how to play any instrument you know there are 3 things you need. time, patience and practice. dre has only i of the 3 - patience. the other 2 he does not. therefore he is not very good on the trumpet. but he is good enough to throw a couple toots on a few tracks. dre loves to layer every song with a lot of instruments and "bits" of sounds. a lot of the nuggets dre puts on a track are never noticed. other times they take dozens of listens to hear them.
the answer is: The Watcher. i wont tell you where on the track but it is there. dre also plays a slightly off tune trumpet solo on a track on The Wash soundtrack.
by the way, on What's the Difference you here a sax, a trumpet, a trombone and a tuba. a tuba is also prominent on xzibits The best of things. So there you go. later.
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hey mellow what was used to make the "Fuck You" beat?
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I listened to "Doggy Dogg World" and when the hook comes in it sorta sounds like a trumpet, but it's just a synth keyboard.
I think that's what's real cool bout Dre beats, once in a while, after not listening to one particular song; I pick up on knew sounds and noises that I haven't heard before. It's kinda like lookin at the song in a different way.
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I listened to "Doggy Dogg World" and when the hook comes in it sorta sounds like a trumpet, but it's just a synth keyboard.
I think that's what's real cool bout Dre beats, once in a while, after not listening to one particular song; I pick up on knew sounds and noises that I haven't heard before. It's kinda like lookin at the song in a different way.
Again, You Dind't Read What I Said. If You'd Read The FIRST Reply I Gave, I Said In That One That I Thought The Trumpet Was On Doggy Dogg World. I Was Talking (And Said In The First Reply) That I Think A Trumpet On The Clean Version Bleeps out Snoop's "Rolled You A Joint", But It Mighta Been A Trombone.
Anyways, That Was Just My Guess, I Was Wrong, LOL.
You Think You Got The Bomb, Cuz I (enter trumpet/trombone/tuba?) BWAH BWAH BWAH BWAH BWAH!
That was just my Guess. How Come Yall Never Read?
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Again, You Dind't Read What I Said. If You'd Read The FIRST Reply I Gave, I Said In That One That I Thought The Trumpet Was On Doggy Dogg World. I Was Talking (And Said In The First Reply) That I Think A Trumpet On The Clean Version Bleeps out Snoop's "Rolled You A Joint", But It Mighta Been A Trombone.
Anyways, That Was Just My Guess, I Was Wrong, LOL.
You Think You Got The Bomb, Cuz I (enter trumpet/trombone/tuba?) BWAH BWAH BWAH BWAH BWAH!
That was just my Guess. How Come Yall Never Read?
Chill.
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Thankx 4 tha info dogg. always love reading your posts. lotz of info there. now i understand the whole process.
Peace