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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: C_R_O_N_I_C_I on October 17, 2001, 07:37:28 AM
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from mtvnews
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Jay-Z pleaded guilty Wednesday morning (October 17) to stabbing record producer Lance "Un" Rivera in December 1999 and is expected to be sentenced to probation.
He faces up to three years' probation for the third-degree assault charge, according to a spokesperson for the Manhattan district attorney's office.
The incident took place December 2, 1999, at the Kit Kat Club on West 43rd Street in Manhattan, at a listening party for Q-Tip's solo album Amplified. Jay-Z, who had performed earlier that night at a separate party for his own then-new album, The Life and Times of S. Carter, had denied any wrongdoing from the start .
A sentencing hearing is scheduled for December 6.
A spokesperson for defense attorney Murray Richman confirmed the guilty plea but offered no further comments.
Spokespersons at Island Def Jam and Roc-A-Fella, the label Jay-Z co-founded with Damon Dash, couldn't comment by press time.
Before the plea, Jay-Z faced up to 15 years in jail on charges of felony assault in the second degree if found guilty at trial.
The case had been rescheduled numerous times since Jay-Z's arrest on December 3, 1999 .
Besides avoiding jail time for the December assault, the gun-possession charge Jay-Z was arrested on earlier this year was dismissed Tuesday, according to a Manhattan district attorney spokesperson. The rap star, bodyguard Hamza Hewitt and two other men were arrested April 13 when New York police found a loaded .40-caliber Glock in Hewitt's waistband (see "Jay-Z Arrested On Gun Charge"). Hewitt admitted sole ownership of the firearm, and Judge Charles Solomon dismissed the charges against the other three men. Hewitt will be sentenced for criminal possession of a weapon on December 4.
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It's kinda bullshit that jsut cuz you famous you only get 3 years probation for stabbin somebody. This shit is crazy, especially since Lance Un Riviera was Biggie's close friend and Jay Z always acts like him and Biggie was tighter than shit. Oh well, i am glad Jay is free to make music i guess...
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Yeah that is fucked up. Anyone else would have gotten years! I know someone who's doing 7 years just for BEING there when someone else stabbed this other guy...
It's also funny how Jay Z's been talking about being innocent, not guilty, for tha last couple years and then he turns around and pleads guilty.
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If you had the choice... Plead guilty and have a 3 years prob. or keep on fightting crooked judges to finaly have 15 years, I think the choice is clear
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Thats nothing. He's really lucky to get 3 years probation. Wouldn't it be crazy to see how the rap game would react if jigga went to prison. Who do you think would become the top dog of the game.
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Thats nothing. He's really lucky to get 3 years probation. Wouldn't it be crazy to see how the rap game would react if jigga went to prison. Who do you think would become the top dog of the game.
The only difference would be that DMX would dethrone Jigga as most overatted rapper, but once Jigga came back from the pen there would be enough hype for him to once again reclaim his spot as the most overated rapper in history.
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Now I predict Fabulous will take Jay Z's thrown as "Owning Rap" (In the medias prospective)...
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Not guilty, y'all got to feel me???
Remember that song with R. Kelly "Jiggas Not Guilty"?
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Not guilty, y'all got to feel me???
Remember that song with R. Kelly "Jiggas Not Guilty"?
Ya I know, he made peeps feel sorry 4 him..........Now he pleads guilty...........wat tha fuck ???
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woa this is kinda strange he makes a big ass deal about not being guilty and then changes his story (regardless if he's doing this for minimum penalty to get it over with ...he has WELL over enough money and good lawyers to bail him out but doesn't ???)
but he stabs a dude and only gets 3 years??????????????
all i got to say is whoever issued that sentence must be a huge jay-z dick rider becuase i know kids who have stabbed peeps and are thrown in jail for at least 6 months, god my dad had a stricter sentence than this and all he did was get in fist fight ....this is bullshit
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I bet I Geezy was the judge...LoL
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lol... damn why u gotta stab a person? just knock em out... but i kno 3 year probations isnt enough but hes got tha money to cover for it
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I got a year probation, 30 days in CSI (juvi) for fightin' at a U or M game when i was 15...just cuz somebody hit someone witta bottle and cut his head all open and fucked him up, me and this other kid were the only ones that got caught so we got charge for all that happened...
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I got a year probation, 30 days in CSI (juvi) for fightin' at a U or M game when i was 15...just cuz somebody hit someone witta bottle and cut his head all open and fucked him up, me and this other kid were the only ones that got caught so we got charge for all that happened...
Ohh shit i forgot the point...If Jay-Z woulda done that ish, he wouldnt even get probation, and if i stabbed some muh'fucka or any other young teen (black, white, hispanic etc...) we'd be gettin at least 10 months...
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It's kinda bullshit that jsut cuz you famous you only get 3 years probation for stabbin somebody. This shit is crazy, especially since Lance Un Riviera was Biggie's close friend and Jay Z always acts like him and Biggie was tighter than shit. Oh well, i am glad Jay is free to make music i guess...
Exactly right. I dont think its fair.
Jay Z STABBED SOMEONE. He didnt just punch them, he didnt kick them, he STABBED. Do you know how much a low life someone who delibrately stabs someone is (except in certain cases & self-defence). Jay Z stabbed him because, what, Lance bootlegged Jay Z's CD's.
I could somewhat understand if Jay Z was a young rapper with no money trying to make some money to get outta the hood, but Jay Z is already a millionaire, why the fuck should the bootlegging mean so much to Jay Z to the point he has to stab someone.
I'm not saying Lance is innocent, & he deserved something for bootlegging Jay's shit, but STABBED, no way. That is life threatening shit.
Ohh well, fuck Jigga, i just bootleg his CD's myself from now on that slimmy selfish asshole
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I bet I Geezy was the judge...LoL
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i hope he don go to jail tho....we don know what excactly happen there...so...i ain gon comment shit ...itz jus like dat rape case they put on pac back in tha dayz....
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THATS STRAIGHT BULLSHIT!!! i got 2 years probation just cuz i was caught up in the crime scene FUCK DAMN BITCH!!!! man i wish i had money man
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....lol.....
i hope he don go to jail tho....we don know what excactly happen there...so...i ain gon comment shit ...itz jus like dat rape case they put on pac back in tha dayz....
How is this like Pac's rape case?
Jay Z PLEADED GUILTY..... he admitted he did it.
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Just because Jay-Z made a guilty plea doesn't mean that he is guilty of the crime. I took 2 years of law enforcement and I know how trial procedings work. There is a pre-trial period, in which both sides try to come to a decision in the case that both sides will agree with, before the media can get their grubby hands all over an entire trial. The sentence in these cases is rarely made by the judge, it is an agreement by both sides, which means that Jigga(and his lawyers) agreed to plea guilty on the charges to receive a lower sentence, and Lance "Un"Rivera(and his lawyers) had to also agree.
4 years ago I was caught up in a case of robbery, which the original sentence was 6 months-2 years in jail, I went through the pre-trial procedings and got everything knocked down to 6 months probation. It all really depends on how you play the game, and if you understand all of your options, not if you have the money(although celebrity status doesn't hurt, but look at money launderers, they usually have huge amounts of money and they still get sentenced according to thier crimes)
All I'm trying to say is that just because Jay-Z pleaded guilty doesn't mean that he did the crime. If he would have gone through the trial procedings, which would have cost him a lot of money, look at OJ he's broke now, and then there's the chance that the jury would have held a bias against the stereotypical rap image and found him guilty on all charges, putting him on lock for years.
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Just because Jay-Z made a guilty plea doesn't mean that he is guilty of the crime. I took 2 years of law enforcement and I know how trial procedings work. There is a pre-trial period, in which both sides try to come to a decision in the case that both sides will agree with, before the media can get their grubby hands all over an entire trial. The sentence in these cases is rarely made by the judge, it is an agreement by both sides, which means that Jigga(and his lawyers) agreed to plea guilty on the charges to receive a lower sentence, and Lance "Un"Rivera(and his lawyers) had to also agree.
4 years ago I was caught up in a case of robbery, which the original sentence was 6 months-2 years in jail, I went through the pre-trial procedings and got everything knocked down to 6 months probation. It all really depends on how you play the game, and if you understand all of your options, not if you have the money(although celebrity status doesn't hurt, but look at money launderers, they usually have huge amounts of money and they still get sentenced according to thier crimes)
All I'm trying to say is that just because Jay-Z pleaded guilty doesn't mean that he did the crime. If he would have gone through the trial procedings, which would have cost him a lot of money, look at OJ he's broke now, and then there's the chance that the jury would have held a bias against the stereotypical rap image and found him guilty on all charges, putting him on lock for years.
You do have a point, alot of people do plead guilty so they can get a lesser sentence without having to go thru court & have things exposed to the media, having the risk of getting found guilty, & if that happens you get harsher punishment.
However, on the other hand, the LAW must have had good enough evidence pointing to Jay-Z doing the crime, if they didn't, then Jay Z could have pleaded Not Guilty & waited for a jury to aqquit him.
So if the law had enough evidence & he pleaded guilty, I would say there is a good chance that he was really guilty.
I see your point though, I just thought I would give some other arguements to the case.
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i ain sayin dat him pleadin waz like pacz trial...im sayin this whole shit of not know weather he iz guilty or not reminds of it....ya know?.....just to say it won change my mind towards hiz music or somethin fucked up like dis....
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i ain sayin dat him pleadin waz like pacz trial...im sayin this whole shit of not know weather he iz guilty or not reminds of it....ya know?.....just to say it won change my mind towards hiz music or somethin fucked up like dis....
No.... You're supposed to KNOW he's guilty when he says he is... he PLEADED GUILTY!!!
Damn... you gotta be a real big fan to back up Jay Z's innocence when HE'S TELLING YOU HE'S GUILTY HIMSELF!
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Yeah, He Oughta Done Like I Did. See, I Get Brought Up On Charges All The Time, You Know, Knockin' People Out. So I Just Intimidate The Judge, And Get Off Every Time.
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Just because he pleaded guilty doesn't make him guilty. He's a well known black figure. He could've got jail time just for that in the trial. I rather go with three years probation than risk the chance of getting 15 years.
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man...this iz kinda innocent to believe it...even if he said hE"z guilty.....it might be hiz lawyers tactik....ya know?....
i ain sayin weather he iz guilty or not cauze i dunno....and i also dunno what he meant when he waz claimin he ain guilty....
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Shit, has anyone ever thought about this: what would happen if C_R_O_N_I_C_I and I_GEEZY were to meet to discuss Jigga's status in the game????? C_R_O_N_I_C_I haaaaaaaaaaaaaates Jigga and I_GEEZY looooooooooves him... LOL... That could be something to see... Lol...
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lol