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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: RivieraIII on October 15, 2001, 03:53:13 PM
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Who's the true G.O.A.T. (as one of the homie asked on another thread)? What's the difference between rapper and MC??? Even though both are obviously related and inclusive to some extent, basically, to be classified among great RAPPERS, you gotta have some street credibility and props, lyrical ability, overall success (meaning platinum sales plus radio, MTV and BET appeal), cultural influences (among Blacks, Whites and everything in between), longevity, creativity and a positive legacy. Now, a great MC also has street and undeground credibility, creativity and respect among his peers but more than ANYTHING, he MUST have treacherous lyrical ability (mainly when it comes to wordplay, flow, delivery, rhymes, content and substance). Fuck MTV. A great MC does NOT NECESSARILY needs to have mainstream success (KRS) and/or longevity (Biggie only lasted 2 years and a half). Therefore, GREAT RAPPERS include Nas, Ice Cube, Scarface, LL, Jigga, Biggie, Snoop, Big Pun, Eminem, Xzibit, Redman, Method Man, DMX and others. But 2PAC fits in those categories more than ANYONE in Hip Hop and as far as I'm concerned he's the Rappers G.O.A.T. Then again, GREAT MCs ALSO include Pac, Nas, LL, Scarface, Redman, Cube, Jigga, Biggie, Em, Pun among others (no question about it) but first and foremost they include KRS One, Kool G Rap, Slick Rick, Big Daddy Kane, The Lady Of Rage, Guru, Common, Ras Kass, Black Thought, Talib Kweli, Freddie Foxxx, Mos Def, Jeru Tha Damaja, Inspektah Deck and others. But RAKIM is the MCs G.O.A.T., simple as that. So, here's the topic: greatest rapper, greatest MC. What y'all think???? Holla back, that's an interesting topic (for a change)... and pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease, keep it STRICTLY HIP HOP, none of that beef and shit coz I ain't dissin'/forgettin' NOBODY. I just can't name all the cats I feel...
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Come on y'all!!!!!! I'm WAITIN'...........
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a great MC is someone who excells in lyrics (rhyming not substance {usually}) and freestyles, liked more for the way his words are rhymed rather
examples:
Rakim
Kool G Rap
a great rapper is someone who excells in flow, pretty good lyrical capabilities, liked more for what he has to say more than the way his rhymes are worded
examples:
2pac
Ice Cube
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a great MC is someone who excells in lyrics (rhyming not substance {usually}) and freestyles, liked more for the way his words are rhymed rather
examples:
Rakim
Kool G Rap
a great rapper is someone who excells in flow, pretty good lyrical capabilities, liked more for what he has to say more than the way his rhymes are worded
examples:
2pac
Ice Cube
That basically sums it up rite there...
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So who are your G.O.A.T's??????? Rapper AND MC????
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the best rappers of all time are:
1. 2pac
2. Rakim
3. Ice Cube
4. Chuck D.
5. KRS one
the best MC's are kinda hard to pinpoint though, but Rakim probably tops that list, even though i don't think i've heard him freestyle
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the best rappers of all time are:
1. 2pac
2. Rakim
3. Ice Cube
4. Chuck D.
5. KRS one
the best MC's are kinda hard to pinpoint though, but Rakim probably tops that list, even though i don't think i've heard him freestyle
Dog, that was not the point behind my thread. I'm tired of those "3, 5 or 10 favorites rappers" thread. I want cats to understand the difference between Rapper and MC, if possible. So please, hit me with your favorite rapper AND your favorite MC. It can be the same artist, it's all good. But 1 (ONE) NAME ONLY. I wanna see if cats actually differentiate between rapper and MC... aaiight, son?
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Greatest Mc is a toss-up between Rakim and Krs1...Greatest rapper is hands down 2pac...
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So who are your G.O.A.T's??????? Rapper AND MC????
you asked this question and i answered it
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you asked this question and i answered it
Alright, whateva man... I wanted ONE answer and you gave me 5 but anyway, forget about it...
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U GOT rage IN THE SAME LIST AS RAKIM ETC.. >:(
SHES A GOOD MC 4 A BITCH,BUT SHE SHOULDNT BE COMPARED TO THE OTHER IN THAT LIST.
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U GOT rage IN THE SAME LIST AS RAKIM ETC.. >:(
SHES A GOOD MC 4 A BITCH,BUT SHE SHOULDNT BE COMPARED TO THE OTHER IN THAT LIST.
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U GOT rage IN THE SAME LIST AS RAKIM ETC.. >:(
SHES A GOOD MC 4 A BITCH,BUT SHE SHOULDNT BE COMPARED TO THE OTHER IN THAT LIST.
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Man, Chef_Raekwon, that was a weird-ass post. Rage is one of my favorite MCs/rappers, even if she is a "bitch". Oh well...*just plain ole stares at Chef_Raekwon, muttering "dayum, ain't allowed opinions"*
My favorite MC, as in at freestyling and shit, is either Rakim, Canibus or Eminem.
My favorite rappers, in general, is either Cube, Pac, Fredro Starr or Common.
I'm say:
MC:Canibus
Rapper:Fredro Starr
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Chef_Raekwon, Rage is one of my favorite MCs ever... I can tell, u never sat down to really listen to RAGE spit, let's say, on her own solo album. Fuck sales, the underground (I'm talkin about DOGS, not even chicks) praises her. U need to check her out but even if u don't, it's still my opinion. She's DEFINITELY one of my favorite MCs of all time and the ILLEST female MC ever; EVER (I said MC, not rapper)!! Lyrically, she fucks a whole lot of rappers out, male, female, faggots, whateva... None of those cats selling records today can fuck with Rage on the mic. She murders shit... which was my definition of a true MC by the way. Son, U really need to listen to joints like "Some Shit", "Super Supreme", "Microphone Pon Cok", "Sho Shot", "Breakdown"... to understand her lyrical prowess. RAGE IS THE SHIT. Period...
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Here are some examples...
MCs/Lyricist:
Xzibit
Ras Kass
Crooked I
Rakim
Rapper:
Snoop Dogg
Dr Dre
DJ Quik
Daz
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yo Now_I_Know snoop may not be the best lyricist ever but he is more of an mc though........... mack 10, dr. dre, tupac, dmx, are rappers snoop is deffinatly an mc or at least a combo of both!
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Can't have a combo, that ain't Burger King... Just kiddin son, I feel you, but Snoop IS more of a rapper than an MC whereas Pac could be classified (actually is) among great MCs... Only mu point of view...
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na RivieraIII tupac ain't an mc if you mean cause jis lyrics had meaning(which they did) that don't make him an mc and mc is someone with more ryming, and freestyle type lyrics that wasn't pac but one reason a say snoop is an mc is cause a saw kurupt on mtv about 2 years ago and he talked about the diff between an mc and a rapper i can't remember his discription but he said him and snoop were mcs!
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na RivieraIII tupac ain't an mc if you mean cause jis lyrics had meaning(which they did) that don't make him an mc and mc is someone with more ryming, and freestyle type lyrics that wasn't pac but one reason a say snoop is an mc is cause a saw kurupt on mtv about 2 years ago and he talked about the diff between an mc and a rapper i can't remember his discription but he said him and snoop were mcs!
back in the glory days snoop and kurupt were but definately not now...
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back in the glory days snoop and kurupt were but definately not now...
Word...esspecially wit' Kurupts "fuck a bitch, eat a dick bitch" shit that he's been on for more than a minute now...
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yeah jake snoop kinda has changed his flow but at times he shows flashs of being an mc that's why i originally said he's a combo
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I Think The Lady Of Rage, LOL Could Have POSSIBLY Been The Goat If She Would Have Stayed In It. She Had Somethin' I Ain't Never Heard From No Other Rapper, Just Tight Tight Rhymes, Hard Hittin' Stuff. I Mean, She Only Shined On Like 6 Big Tracks Or So, But Man, She Was Tight.
I Think That Might Have Been The D.O.C., Though, Because Back Then, Snoop, AND Kurupt, AND Daz, And Rage All Sounded Sort Of Similar, So I Think The D.O.C. Might Have Helped With All That, Making Him The GOAT. Think About It, IfThat Fool Wrote All The Deathrow Stuff? He's The Man.
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Yall Are Sleepin On Some Ill MC's, Like Common, And Plug One From De La Soul. I Think Both Of These Guys Are Some Of The Dopest Out.
I Think When HISTORY Is Over, And Rap's A Fad Like Flapper Music From The 20's, It'll Go Down like This (Don't Kill Me)
Best Rapper:
Snoop Dogg
Best Emcee:
Eminem
Why? Because Snoop Has A HUGE career, Still Ahead Of Him, He's Just gonna Get Better And Better I Think, And Churn Out Hits, And Do the Rap Thing. In The End, He'll Have About 30 Full Length CD's, And Do Work With Every Famous Musician Alive, LOL. He'll Be A 80 Year Old Grey Headed Man Doin' Awards Shows.
Eminem, Is Gonna Change Rap. He's Gonna Start Rapping About Important Sh*t, Eventually, And It's Gonna Be Big, And In Everybody's Face, And Very Mainstream... Like Black Thought On Steroids, Or Somethin. And Em SOMEWHERE In Him, Has Skill That No Other Mainstream MC Has Ever Had. He CAn Flow, And If Those Freestyles Are Legit, Once He Gets Back In Touch With That (Like Snoop Is JUST NOW STarting To Do Again), He's Gonna Be Unstoppable.
The Problem With Tupac Is He Can't Defend Himself. Unfortunately, He Died Very Early And Didn't Get The Chance To Mature His Music. For Instance: Paul McCartney Is A Legend, But Not Because Of The Awesome Music He Did With The Beatles, It's More Because He's Been Around For Almost 40 Years, And Still Has A New Cd Coming Out. And If You Look Back, He's Had 50-60 Top 10 Songs, Damn. Tupac Could Have Done That, But Didn't Get The Chance. Snoop Will Have That Chance, And So Will Eminem (God Willing, As Long As They Don't Get Shot).
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Yall Are Sleepin On Some Ill MC's, Like Common, And Plug One From De La Soul. I Think Both Of These Guys Are Some Of The Dopest Out.
We ain't sleepin... Check the very first post, I mentionned Common... And I just forgot Plug One from De La, u right on that... Now, on the RAGE topic, I think u're also right. She could have locked that GOAT title down if she had stayed in the game. But she still is one the sickest MC (male OR female) to ever drop. Lyrically, she's a killer... But I believe that Pac is the greatest RAPPER and Rakim the greatest MC. And, honestly, I don't know about Snoop being that great of an MC (and I'm a MAJOR Snoop fan). Kurupt, Xzibit, yeah they are, but Snoop? He's one of the greatest rapper ever but I'm not sure the word MC applies here. Eminem definitely is an MC and a great great rapper too, so watch out y'all, 5 years from now, he could lock BOTH titles down (And I don't wanna hear about race, please, I'm A BROOKLYN NIGGA but real recognize real)... For now 2PAC and RAKIM hold all the crowns...
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I Didn't Say Snoop Was An Mc, I Put Him As Rapper...
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Whoever says Snoop is an MC, lost his mind...
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Whoever says Snoop is an MC, lost his mind...
I agree with you but u gonna have a lot of hardcore Snoop fans gojn' after you sooner than later... Watch out, homie... LOL!!
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Whoever says Snoop is an MC, lost his mind...
I agree with you but u gonna have a lot of hardcore Snoop fans goin' after you soon... Watch out, homie... LOL!!
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rage is without a doubt the illest female mc ever!!!!!!!1
but shes definitley not one of the best lyricists ever.
no way!!!!!!!!!1
and kurupt is still a tight lyricist
snoop never was.
and CHINO XL is the tightest LYRICIST.
can't believe none mebtioned him.
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pipz waz forgettin biggie as one of tha greatest mcz....
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Snoop comes tight lyrically on Gz And Hustlaz and Shiznit, and they freestyles. He was a good MC, but never really wanted to be, it seems.
And I mentioned Common, Trauma! LoL :)
Peace
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pipz waz forgettin biggie as one of tha greatest mcz....
Who was forgettin Biggie, son?? That's exactly what I don't like abut YOU, I-GEEZY. I started that fuckin thread: read the 1st post and tell me I didn't mention BIG in my MCs list somewhere??? I included him among great rappers AND MCs... So come on man, u never take the time to read EVERYTHING and it always gotta be YOU... Son, u gettin on my nerves fo' real... But I ain't gonna mind u no' mo'... Fuck it...
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Then again, GREAT MCs ALSO include Pac, Nas, LL, Scarface, Redman, Cube, Jigga, Biggie, Em, Pun among others (no question about it)
Here's part of my original post, I-GEEZY. So, pleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase, take an extra look before talkin. And your G.O.A.T Jigga is also in there. Happy? Damn...
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shiiiiit...someone iz nervous.....ok...so i didnt notice what you said...but when i say pipz...i meant ---many--- didnt mention....i waznt even thinkin bout you man.....why tha fuck iz you trippin.....it ain like i dissed you or anythang...wtf?....
p.s....besides...i usually read most of tha shit man....sometimes i miss shit...a"right?....ain no need to tripp like dis....
oh my g.o.a.t iz pac man......but yea...jig diserves tobe up there...thanx man....lol... ;D...
but fo real ...ain no need to explode on pipz like dis...
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u never take the time to read EVERYTHING and it always gotta be YOU
...wtf??????...when was tha last time i didnt read fully some yo posts man....or anyone elses....i think this one iz tha first......ain it?...
p.s looks like a flase ecusasion to me dawg....
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...wtf??????...when was tha last time i didnt read fully some yo posts man....or anyone elses....i think this one iz tha first......ain it?...
p.s looks like a flase ecusasion to me dawg....
Alright man, let's kill this... I admit I was a lil pissed but I ain't trippin'... It's all good. U as passionate as I am so I respect that. Peace out...
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ain NO PROBLEM YO.....
we all got our shitty days dawg.....don we?...lol
anywayz.... peace dawg.....
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Rappers be people like Snoop,Dre,Pac etc.Then people say MCs are people like Kurupt,Xizibit,Crooked I etc,but they rappers too,just mo ruff rugged & raw.If ya want MCs listen too 2-step garage which is tight shit bangin from tha UK.D/L shit by So Solid Crew,Heartless Crew,Pay As You Go Cartel and other shit like that,from KaZaA,iMesh or what ever.I know alot bout USA shit,UK shit,French shit and even Norwegian shit that is urban made,if ya know what I mean.I travel to tha UK alot too visit my cousins,be at carnivals/festivals and that type of ish.
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Rappers be niggaz like Snoop,Dre,Pac etc.Then people say MCs are niggaz like Kurupt,Xzibit,Crooked I etc,but they rappers too,just mo ruff rugged & raw.If ya want MCs listen too 2-step garage which is tight shit bangin from tha UK.D/L shit by So Solid Crew,Heartless Crew,Pay As You Go Cartel and other shit like that,from KaZaA,iMesh or what ever.I know alot bout USA shit,UK shit,French shit and even Norwegian shit,which is urban originated,if ya know what I mean.I travel to tha UK alot too visit my cousins or to be at carnivals/festivals and that type of ish.Everywhere I go,I hold it down fo LA and all tha real Crips out there.I see real Crips in tha UK but there are alot of people tryna C-Walk and shit.So I do it Cali-Style.Aint no place like Killa Kali.