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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: C_R_O_N_I_C_I on October 10, 2001, 10:39:23 AM
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Nas' REPLY:
Verse 1:
So you call yourself god mc... J-hova\
drunk the glass of blasphemy & forgot to pray over\
your games over\ crossed the warpath of a brave soldier\
you're a makeover\ my protege trying to takeover\
I was the sheperd that led you\ But you bit the hand that fed you\
mad cause since I met you i never did respect you\
and as hard as it seems\ you know that I fathered your dreams\
you was a groupie always begging to be part of my team\
another case of a boy and his teacher\
I was the first to poison your speakers\
so kill all that noise that your preaching\
I understand\ all your plans to underhand\
aired threats of you pullin my card next summerjam\
let me make this clear hova\ You had my left overs\
she told me your little problem of the day when you slept over\
but that's another subject homey\ ***** you phony\
I'm coming to collect the debt from the years that you owe me\
so what you capitlized... only cause i allowed\
I'm taking aim at your dome\ and reclaiming my throne\
"Who said I that i aint still nasty"
Verse 2:
How you planned on facing\ the half man half-amazing\
Don't need a fam, Nas is a one man invasion\
claim you hot but you flopped with your roc-familia\
cause real recognize real and you're not familiar\
call yourself gansta but you were begging for pardon\
that night in carbon\ when terror squad flipped on your squadron\
Tried to front on their checks\ till pun put a gun to your chest\
YOu said it yourself dog, Nas is one of the best\
Don't need to search for some dirt to expose you\
I leave it up to the flow dispose you\ when i oppose you\
This is it I'm calling ya\ come out and play like "warriors"\
studied my blueprint then pieced together your formula\
Guess the knowledge I speak too deep to follow\
that's why your stomach to weak to swallow\ The real truth
that Nas is\ the greates of all timers\
f*ck skeletons, keep only weaponry in my closets
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Is that ish real? where'd u get it homie?
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ima say this,
back when i was a lil pac groupie (will be a man and admit it ;D) i used to hate nas, lil faggot this and that
but ima say this now, nas is really one of the greatest lyricists of our times, and im not into east coast rap,
but nas is back, he smoked the takeover
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Pac is my all time favourite MC but I ain't never hated on Nas, IMO he truly is one of the greatest eastcoast lyricists in the game, & he is one of the best lyricists in Hip-Hop period. If that rhyme is real i'm impressed & if thats what we have to expect from his new LP then i'm V.happy.
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Wot the name of the song them so I can cop it of the internet!
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damn, what is this song called? , peace.
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We are here today, friends, to mourn the loss of Jay-Z. A brave attempt at dethroning Nas he made, but failed he did. Yoda I am speaking like...But fa realz, homies, Jay-Z went down if that shit's real.
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it was good......nas came correct...i liked it..dethrone jay..i dont think so.......one song cant do it.......some of the verses were tight.....until i hear the whole CD..........i will give it to jay......jay kept it real on the blueprint....threw out that jiggy bling bling shit..and took it back to the realness....NAS fell off there for a min......like that last single he had...shit was irritating......and Pac tore nas up many times........but....nas did come correct...lets see how the the whole CD is.....
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CANT YA HOOK US UP WITH THE LINK HOMMIE :'(
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SORRY ' NOT THE LINK BUT THE TITLE ;D
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i took it from anotha board.
sorry,i don't know the title but i'm SURE that will be on the new nas album.word
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aight thanks anyway, n if u get the title by this board hook us up please,,,,aight ???
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I read this somewhere else too. I think it's fake.
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if it's real, nas is STILLmatic
and if it's fake some one sign the fool who wrote it!
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But you bit the hand that fed you\
bit off jada there,
i think its tight but i still think the takeover smoked it
peace.
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But you bit the hand that fed you\
bit off jada there,
i think its tight but i still think the takeover smoked it
peace.
The quote you said nas bit is a quote we have used in our language forever... that quote has been around my whole life.
Anyway if that shit is real... then damn... snoop, push you to second... nas you my boy now...j/k
-Big BpG
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oh yea....sure.....why didnt some pipz quote this much of take over when they first heared it.....???....
itz still ain up to jigz level.....nas realy tries to look like he iz some biblical prophet.....talkin all that big shit....tho doesnt say shit...jus like jig...said "trying to kick knowlege but yo shit iz garbage"....jus my opinion....i think jig iz one of tha greatest....nas iz jus a rakim wannabe....
p.s lol...i rhymed better shit than dis...on my last battle on tha keystyle battle....lol lol
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oh yea....sure.....why didnt some pipz quote this much of take over when they first heared it.....???....
itz still ain up to jigz level.....nas realy tries to look like he iz some biblical prophet.....talkin all that big shit....tho doesnt say shit...jus like jig...said "trying to kick knowlege but yo shit iz garbage"....jus my opinion....i think jig iz one of tha greatest....nas iz jus a rakim wannabe....
p.s lol...i rhymed better shit than dis...on my last battle on tha keystyle battle....lol lol
Damn, can u nutt lick Jigga anymo' ???
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SHITTTTTTT MAN.....
That Is Some Tight Shit Rite There, Whoever Penned That (If It Was Nas Or Not) Has Got Talent.
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claim you hot but you flopped with your roc-familia\
cause real recognize real and you're not familiar\
Thats a HOT line imo...
If this is real Jigga jus got ripped...again...
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this EASILY kills "the takeover" EEEEEEEASILY
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this EASILY kills "the takeover" EEEEEEEASILY
true dat
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lol....does not even come close... ;D
yo....7o4d......tha answer iz no,man....
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I like Jay Z & overall Jay Z has been the better MC of the 2 for the last few years. But this verse is the best verse i've heard in a long time. If Nas keeps spittin like that then he'll be the king again for sure.
As of now, we dont even know if this song actually exists. If so, whats its name, what ripping group ripped it.
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I like Jay Z & overall Jay Z has been the better MC of the 2 for the last few years.
....i would just stop here....
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Wow--
So Nas dedicates all this time to write a Jay Z diss-but the bottom line is Jigga is still selling millions upon millions, while Nas struggles for gold status. Maybe Nas needs to rethink his priorities.
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Wow--
So Nas dedicates all this time to write a Jay Z diss-but the bottom line is Jigga is still selling millions upon millions, while Nas struggles for gold status. Maybe Nas needs to rethink his priorities.
i don know what iz nases sales situation and shit.....but i like what you sayin man....lol...
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Guys, you ever listened to Nas' classic album Illmatic? It is his best album by far, yet it only recently went platinum, 7 years later. The thing is, when Nas is at his best he don't need to do the commercial shit. Admittedly jay Z is the king of sales and commercial rap right now, but Nas is gonna take it back on his new cd, that is why it is called STILLMATIC. Maybe Jay z will beat him in sales, but real heads will know what is up...
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Guys, you ever listened to Nas' classic album Illmatic? It is his best album by far, yet it only recently went platinum, 7 years later. The thing is, when Nas is at his best he don't need to do the commercial shit. Admittedly jay Z is the king of sales and commercial rap right now, but Nas is gonna take it back on his new cd, that is why it is called STILLMATIC. Maybe Jay z will beat him in sales, but real heads will know what is up...
Again the phrase 'Quality not Quantity' springs to mind....
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yea jigga sellez well and shit.....but it has nothin to do wit hiz shit bein corny or made to be commersial (cauze itz fuckin far from it)...it salez......just like other great rappaz and producers sold....(see pac,B.I.G, DRE, AND MANY MORE)....
jigga got to mcuh lyrical skillz to be considered as even near
poppy....or commersialy motivated.....yea he sellz...but it ain like he does corny ass shit.....he got deep shit' sharp structure shit.....
as for nas.....yea hiz illimatic waz tight...in fact tha only nas album i could listen to without picturin nas workin wit a dictionary to find some big words and put em just to seem like some prophet....and shit....hiz shit iz too inconsistent....and he haz a hard time consentratin trackz on topicz....(imo...he iz just a rakim wannabe.... ).....yea...vocaly he iz pretty tight...but it ain enough for me.....
some pipz just would listen to anythang that moves and doesn"t sell.....just to show how anti-mainstream they r....
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some pipz just would listen to anythang that moves and doesn"t sell.....just to show how anti-mainstream they r....
Thats total BS, we all delve into mainstream here, Snoop, Pac, Dre, Em etc. Some of the greats r listed there, it's jus' people need to recognize that mainstream success does not equal the quality of the work, this is evident in pop music & music thats aimed at mainstream e.g Ja rule, Nelly & to a certain extent Jay-Z (the fact is now he has that taste of mainstream he ain't gonna go look back, his records are made to chart, and hey, suprisingly it works!).
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I DONT THINK ITZ BULLSHIT.....i think that pipz need to recognize dat not every mainstreem iz corny and poppy...and jiggaz records are not made for charts (although they realy cut threw them)...this is what i waz tring to tell.....hiz previous "roc la familia"....dat yall trashed.......waz so personal at points......and sharp threw all of the cd.....
you just label as pop anything you choose.....
take...."soon you"ll understand" "this cant be life" "where have you been"..."guilty untill proven inocent".....
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I didn't label anything in particular pop, I was basically saying that pop is an example of quantity not quality. & I wouldn't label Jigga as pop, but the fact is that he is mainstream & his music is made 4 the mainstream audiences. He is good at what he does, entertaining the mainstream audience, but when you get to the root of things MOST (not ALL) of his record buying fans prolly don't give a shite about what he's saying, along with alot of Pac's bandwagon fans.
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WELL.....I CARE BOUT WHAT HE SAYIN.....
shit....jigga diserved hiz sucsess....why do pipz start hatin rappaz dat start sellin....he iz nothin like nelly, ja rule,(exept for them all selling)....don you see tha lyrical difrence...imo jigga iz one of thas greatest rappaz and lyricists.....and i don care if there iz poppy ass mothafuckaz dat listen to him cauze of catchy choruses and shit....fuck them...they would listen to anyone else only cauze of catchy choruses too...i know hundreds of pipz dat listen to pacz shit only for tha choruses.....and don care what he sayes....
i ain like dat......jigga iz too good lyricly for pipz not to pay attention to what he spittz....
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You basically jus' repeated what I said but put it into your own words, lol. Na, man I ain't hating on Jigga 4 pushing units, I was jus' saying that sales don't mean shit at the end of they day, if it's quality material then it's quality, you can't take the goodness out of it or label it whack cos it doesn't sell. Damn, I ain't sayin' Jigga's a whack lyracist, no way, nigga can write but your acting like he is the greatest out there & that no-one can or will ever phase that.
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Man, I_Geezy, in your opinion Jay's the GOAT(correct me if I'm wrong), but you push it on us all...
I like Nas, I prefer him to Jay. That's just me. But if I put that in a real debate, and said WHY, you'd diss me. Maaaan...
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hellll na...i don diss pipz cauze they got dif opinionz...where did you get it from man?....oh wait i know...i got agresive opinionz....but i still never diss pipz when we"re having a debate.....cmmon.....i ain dat bad....
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7o4d.....I ain sayin jigga"z tha best..im sayin he iz one of them...of course im a pac fan first of all....
and no i didnt take your words....i said dat commersial sucsess doesnt mean shit on tha first post of this arguement....and i understand dat you don think jigga"z wack....you just reminded me dat there iz lotsa pipz dat hate on him cauze of this....(hiz commersial sucsess)
peace .
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damn i like that.. thas a very tight reply to jay z
damn tha video for this would be tight if he had one
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**message from bigjakedogg**
i moderated the title becuase i don't think it's really neccasary to call jay-z "gay-z" even if he is overrated
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....i would just stop here....
Why. Get off my balls Snoopy Groupie
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**message from bigjakedogg**
i moderated the title becuase i don't think it's really neccasary to call jay-z "gay-z" even if he is overrated
lol
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Why. Get off my balls Snoopy Groupie
lol naw engies, i-geezy is a jay-z groupie if anything
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that shit was Nas' style,it's probably him.
And i've learned good writing doesn't neccesarily come from your thoughts and mind automatically but the effort you put into it,if every MC really put time and thought and EFFORT into their lyrics everybody would be coming tight and eventually if you do that alot it doesn't take long for you to create quality material.I know this from personal experience,not to brag but i know i'm at least a good MC and that's because i've honed myself with that mentality.Anyway Nas didn't have to go all out like thta on Jigga,all nas has to say Is "I made illmatic You dumb shit." and he wins.Jay-z is much worse in every conceivable aspect than Nas
Jay-z's voice:MONOTONE already puts him below the top 25 mcs at least
Lyrics-he has some decent rhymes here and there and can get deep at times but he's more inconsistent than Kurupt and that's fucking horrible...
Flow-average and is frequently off-beat
the only thing that puts him above average is that at times he lyrically comes with heat but even then he usually talks about bullshit and if he's getting deep than he sounds fake and corny,like he's trying to be deep for women,trying to do what LL did so smoothly,and what Pac did from the heart
Jay-z has to be one of the most overrated ever...
Nas...i don't even gotta defend Nasty,HE MADE ILLMATIC.
WHEN I hear the words reasonable doubt,i think to what i ahve for Jigga man's reverd position...i like Nas awhole lot yeah and i only like some of his guest spots and Illmatic,i didn't even like it was written so don't even call me a dickrider...this shit easily easily kills takeover even with a dope ass The Doors sample(the doors are the shit LISTEN TO THE DOORS!!!)and i haven't even heard this Nas shit yet...
also it seems some were complaining that nas uses big words and looks in the dictionary and shit...i find that offensive...i use alot of big words with my shit and the first thing most people say is "You be lookin in the dictionary and shit huh?" but i just know these words from school,paying attention,context conclusions and i'll look up a word when i'm not sure but i don't go searching the dictionary for rhymes unless i feel like writing and have nothing to talk about...but when i ahve something to say i have original rhymes and words galore to use without no fucking disctionary....i like Nas' utilization of an expanded vocabulary,it gives him an eloquent poetic quality,i realize i'm very influenced by it now that i compare some of Nas word structure to mine...well i think it separates him from much of the ignorant linguistics of the hip-hop culture...BTW Jay-z uses alot of played out rhymes
"jigga/nigga"
"hustla/muthafucka"
"back/that"
now i'm not saying nas never does that but Jigga does it hellova lot which proves his inconsistency and that he's only good because he occasionally gets off his ass and tries to be original with effort....now i'm sorry if i really hurt somebody's feelings with this (I'll admit i've been hurt by music arguments,i mean...people made me feel stupid and disillusioned especially with kurupt issues and rockers saying that rap has no value it just gets frustrating and such)but this is my opinion and i think i could seriously back it....now if you enjoy jigga that's cool....everything you like doesn't have to be of the highest quality or caliber,i mean i sure as hell don't listen to only classic material...but i'm just saying it can be back that nas is better than Jay IMO....anywayz...just keep your heads up and straight....i'm gonna go listen to Illmatic as soon as "The Best Of The Doors" finishes.....WEST UP!!! and PEACE-Tanjint
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Thats total BS, we all delve into mainstream here, Snoop, Pac, Dre, Em etc. Some of the greats r listed there, it's jus' people need to recognize that mainstream success does not equal the quality of the work, this is evident in pop music & music thats aimed at mainstream e.g Ja rule, Nelly & to a certain extent Jay-Z (the fact is now he has that taste of mainstream he ain't gonna go look back, his records are made to chart, and hey, suprisingly it works!).
THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT, 704D, EXCELLENT. And to my man I-GEEZY: come on son, some of us (other than you) also luv Jigga but we're just sayin that this Nas verse kills Takeover, that's all... Ain't no need to argue over and over again about how tight Jay-Z is compared to Nas. That's an old topic and it's only a matter of taste. WE KNOW THAT JIGGA IS TIGHT. I know u a big fan and all but it doesn't mean ur man always gotta win. Example: I'm as big a DRE fan as u can find on the planet but I'm the first to criticize some of his early Aftermath work or say that "My Name Is" was a wack track. Just like I luv Snoop to death but I feel like "Doggfather" and "Da Game" were garbage at best. This has nothing to do with being a fan or not, it's just PERSONAL OPINION and CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM altogether. So don't get offended EVERY SINGLE TIME someone on this board say whateva about Jigga. Take it EEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAASY, son... It's all luv...
PS: And to whoeva was talkin about Nas sales and sayin that he's "struggling for gold status", check the RIAA and/or Billboard: everything NAS dropped went Platinum at least (yes Illmatic, 7 years later or not, went Platinum; It Was Written eventually went Triple; The Firm went Platinum; I Am went Double and Nastradamus went Platinum). Can't NOBODY tell me that's an easy feat or that it's "nothing". We all know how Snoop struggles to go Double nowadays but nobody compares him to Jay-Z so yeah, QUALITY music remains the barometer...
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Man, I_Geezy, in your opinion Jay's the GOAT(correct me if I'm wrong), but you push it on us all...
I like Nas, I prefer him to Jay. That's just me. But if I put that in a real debate, and said WHY, you'd diss me. Maaaan...
Thank u man, that's exactly what i'm sayin... I-GEEZY gets real mad when ANYONE has somethin to say against Jigga. Come on, son...
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My final point: Line for line, rhyme for rhyme, NAS is a much better lyricist than Jay-Z. Nas has flow AND vocabulary (like Ras Kass) plus killer vocals. NOW, I LOVE JIGGA TOO. He's tight, one of the greatest fo' sho; there's no discussing his talent. He has more charisma and is definitely a better ENTERTAINER (and businessman) than Nas, but when it comes to being an MC (a REAL KRS-One/Rakim CERTIFIED MC), NAS is iller... Plus Illmatic is better than ANY album Jigga will ever do... So it's over. Now, fuck this topic...
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shit.... i never diss pipz wit dif opz....i might get angry and shit...and put out some agresive op out....there waz times when i dissed but it waz only cauze pipz waz dissin me first....
anyway...yo tanjint....i cant believe that you dawg, someone who sayes warren got tight rap skillz sayes jigga iz monotonous...
jigga ain monotonous....it jus like if you"d say biggie waz monotonous...he had a deep voice......ya know...
now jig never sounds fake when he goes deep....didnt you listen to hiz deep shit.....and when you"re callin a topic of a track bullshit itz just like sensoreship backwords....
dissmisin shit cauze of itz content.....
imo....fo tha 1000000000 time...mcz can choose whatever topicz dat they like...tha chalenge iz to bring tha listener into it....wit sharp ass lyrical structue...that also consentrates tha listener on tha topic of tha track (w.e it may be).....
nas only might have some sharp metaphores and vocal skillz (wit jigga overspitting them wit no problem imo).....but tha main point iz...they (nases lyricz) don lead anywhere....lol...you said jigga"z inconsistent....i think he iz one of tha most consistent pipz in da game....what totaly opositts nases nature.
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Jay's voice grinds on my nerves. It sounds like it's still breaking. Warren, though he's no great rhymer, etc, has one of Puffy's upsides, a cool voice. Biggie sounded cool, Jay don't.
Yeah, I listened to all of Jay's albums, all his deep shit...And he don't draw me in. I like Big Pimpin, cause he comes tight. I like Izzo in one way, but I only enjoy them cause he's not trying to be deep.
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WHAT BOUT "ANYTHING" "HARD KNOCK LIFE" "SOON YOULL UNDERSTAND" "WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN" ....AND SHIT LIKE DIS...."song cry".....all tight deep shitz yo....i lovem...
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Yo,Jigga has way less charisma then Nas...IMO....i'ma leave with that.damnit noone responded to my big ass post ]=(..peace-Tanjint
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imo...thats a really really tight verse from nas....but he made a big mistake....he didnt keep his cool.
everyone disagrees with me but i think in the biggie/pac war of words big came off stronger ...he kept his cool and hit pac with one liners like "its on nigga fuck all that bickerin beef/ i can see sweat trickelin down your cheek" where as pac wilded and let his lyrics slip in favour of "im gonna kill you you fat motherfucker" or whatever.
here nas resorts to digging up some shit about pun and how jay is his 'protege' or whatever...this proves to me that nas is living in the past because he knows jay has him by the balls right now.
jay killed nas by laughing at him...he killed that whole verse with that one line "thats a ONE hot album every TEN year average" lol....
the re-reply from jay should be interesting...i still think this whole thing might be a publicity stunt tho.
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Ya, I respect Big for being a man, and laughing it off.
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to be honest...i never..for a second compared pacz opened disses to bigz subliminal disses....jus never thought of "whatz better" and shit....i loved and still love their both shitz.....
as for yo op towards jig and nas,CREM, i agree wit it....
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Is this 100% real?