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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Tanjential on March 05, 2007, 03:05:24 PM
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So I've been a huge 50 cent hater since my uncle showed him to me in the late 90's as a dude that disses people all the time. Then I hated him all over again in 2003 when GRODT and I hated him all over again several months back when i got back into rap and found out that Game no longer is on Aftermath because of shit that went down with 50.
Now given that I only got back into rap very recently, I've heard mainly post massacre work and that's just reinforced my negative opinion of him. However, I've heard everyone from Timboisnotcoming to Styles P say GRODT is pretty bangin', even near classic. Not being the kind of person who can't admit that he's wrong, I had to look into this. I remember people saying it's the blueprint for The Documentary, and I like the Documentary alot so this was intriguing.
After listening to GRODT a grip I gotta say it's definitely in the same league as Documentary. This shit is banging, alot of ridiculously addictive/catchy tracks. All the Dre tracks are fire especially Heat. Many Men, High all the time, and Not like Me are fuckin' sick shit. Dude has a dope flow, dope voice, and can come dope lyrically when he wants to. 21 questions is a maad classic. P.I.M.P is crazy good, didn't know denaun produced it.
I couldn't believe how much I was enjoying this record considering how much I've disliked him over the years, it's just like when i bought reasonable doubt. couldn't deny that there was something behind the hype. but whereas you couldn't deny Jay's raw skill, 50's not so much the sickest rapper as he is good at putting enjoyable ass records together(hooks, verses, the whole package done well).
anyway, then I listened to power of the dollar. this album is just as good as GRODT in my opinion, lyrically actually it's better but it's a more subtle album. tracks like heat, not like me, in da club etc. jump out at you engage you whereas tracks like i'm a hustler, slow doe, power of the dollar are dope tracks that you have to give a chance to before they hit you over the head with their dopeness. How to Rob is such a well done song, it's insanely clever.
it's kind of fitting that em/dre picked him up after what happened to him. it's a fuckin' shame that columbia did him like that so I see why dre/em would see value in him. and they had no idea in 02 or whenever they signed him that he'd get so whack in 05 so now I can finally see why they gave him the position they did.
that said, outside of
-having a relatively whack crew
-beefing with people all the time
I feel I no longer can legitimately hate 50 anymore than we can hate on a da game is to be sold era snoop or a post volume two/three jigga.-dudes dropped a whack album and made a lot of whack stuff around that time. talented people not using it/propagating bullshit, that's it.
now what instances on his records does 50 say stuff about preme? I only heard him mention preme once, on PODT...is this the song that everyone is referring to when they say he is snitch or did I miss something?
also, in hate it or love it from documenary...is 50 saying his mom was a lesbian after his dad left home or can anyone explain the mom kissing a girl line?
thanks
-T
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his mommas a lesbian
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that's interesting, any articles go with that story? was hate it or love it the first time he mentioned that shit?
-T
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love it or hate it is one of the only tracks where im really feelin what he spit. beefs and shit aside i just can't stand him and am not really that interested in ever listening to him again.
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You should also check out Guess Who's Back?Easily 50's best album, it shits all over Power Of The Dollar & GRODT (ther're dope as fuck too).
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love it or hate it is one of the only tracks where im really feelin what he spit. beefs and shit aside i just can't stand him and am not really that interested in ever listening to him again.
that's completely legitimate. yeah hate it or love it is the first 50 cent song I liked.
can someone hook up guess who's back?
-T
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Yea 50's shit from GRODT & PODT & GWB are all great.. Massacre wasn't very good and I'm tired of alot of the shit he does now... I'm hoping he comes correct with his new album but I'm not holding my breath...
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You should also check out Guess Who's Back?Easily 50's best album, it shits all over Power Of The Dollar & GRODT (ther're dope as fuck too).
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i can't fuck with a snitch that rolls with 5-0
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i can't fuck with a snitch that rolls with 5-0
Shit like this is retarded.. your not fucking with him.. your not friends with him.. you don't hang out with him... you listen to his music.. that's it
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Yeah you definitely should check out Guess Who's Back. If you enjoyed POTD and GRODT, you won't be disappointed with it.
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I got a copy of the source CD for "Power of the dollar" that was given to Columbia before the mixes, track order and final cut were decided (on the version that never even came out). Listening to that material now it really was a dope album.
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I've been watching 50 since the late 90s and I still don't like him. The only things that remotely makes any of his songs good are the beats. People hate on Ja Rule but love this fool. Pretty much one in the same making love songs and whatnot, except 50's a snitch.
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Glad you gave him a chance. Ive been listening to 50 ever since he became a protege of Jam Master Jay (my friend is a huge Run DMC fan). Like someone said check Guess Whos Back, No Mercy No Fear and 50 Cent Is The Future and especially that 98 compilation that was used for promotional use only.
About the Massacre that everyone dislikes so much, for me, if it wasnt for the 3,4 wack joints I'd say its better than GRODT in a second. 50s guest apperance game has been really good for the past 2 years (Buck, Banks, Yayo, Game, Eminem, Mobb Deep, GRODT Ost, The Re-Up) and his last 2 mixtapes, especially the Hip Hop Is Dead one was really nice.
Lets just hope he delivers on "Before I Self Destruct." Rap needs a gigantic 50 album.
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I've been watching 50 since the late 90s and I still don't like him. The only things that remotely makes any of his songs good are the beats. People hate on Ja Rule but love this fool. Pretty much one in the same making love songs and whatnot, except 50's a snitch.
I completely respect and appreciate your opinion, but I feel like 50's alot more talented than ja Rule. alot of people make love songs, but like mac dre said it's not what you say it's how you say it.
Glad you gave him a chance. Ive been listening to 50 ever since he became a protege of Jam Master Jay (my friend is a huge Run DMC fan). Like someone said check Guess Whos Back, No Mercy No Fear and 50 Cent Is The Future and especially that 98 compilation that was used for promotional use only.
About the Massacre that everyone dislikes so much, for me, if it wasnt for the 3,4 wack joints I'd say its better than GRODT in a second. 50s guest apperance game has been really good for the past 2 years (Buck, Banks, Yayo, Game, Eminem, Mobb Deep, GRODT Ost, The Re-Up) and his last 2 mixtapes, especially the Hip Hop Is Dead one was really nice.
Lets just hope he delivers on "Before I Self Destruct." Rap needs a gigantic 50 album.
damn, I don't have the first clue outside HU spot where to look for those tapes. I guess I'll make a post. anyway, I borrowed massacre from my friend for a few days and I couldn't stomach most of it. even gatman with eminem was pretty horrid to me but that's cool. I agree that his guest appearances on encore and documentary were dope.
-T
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I can hook you up, just tell me what you need.
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I can hook you up, just tell me what you need.
all the stuff that you suggested.
btw, I was largely inspired to check his shit out thoroughly in some thread where you gave a little specifics on why GRODT was on the same par as Documentary.
-T
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i can't fuck with a snitch that rolls with 5-0
Shit like this is retarded.. your not fucking with him.. your not friends with him.. you don't hang out with him... you listen to his music.. that's it
lmao
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I agree, GRODT was a dope album and his shit before that was some of the best he's put out
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Glad you gave him a chance. Ive been listening to 50 ever since he became a protege of Jam Master Jay (my friend is a huge Run DMC fan).
Why don't I believe you when you say that?
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Why all the discussion man, 50's a rapper, like it or not but saying hes wack or hes super talented wont really matter much to him, at the end of the day he gets his paper and all the hating going on just makes him make more music and do his own thing.
he said hes gonna do some soul inspired music on his next album, and i KNOW that when the album drops this forum is gonna be flooded with posts and topics saying how much he has fallen off, how wack his new album is and w/e else.
i can only say i encourage artists to widen their scopes, just like the jay-z/linkin park tape, such albums are definately a positive addition to hiphop, cause the majority of rappers just makes the same album as everyone makes, just cause the label wants it or just for the money.
i think hiphop needs new stuff, music which inspires others to think outside the box and do their own thing, thats why i always have respected nas so much, he does his own thing for the most of the time. 50 too, he dont care much about the public, he makes his own album, a personal thing, not just another gangsta rap album or w/e.
and therefore i dont see the hate on the massacre, it was a nice album imo. not nearly as bad as many believe, i can listen to it without skipping anything plus theres no stupid skits and all that.
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G-unit stuff before 04 is on some high level ish, yall cant denie that yall werent bumpin that shit back then 8)
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Glad you gave him a chance. Ive been listening to 50 ever since he became a protege of Jam Master Jay (my friend is a huge Run DMC fan).
Why don't I believe you when you say that?
Believe what you want, I have no reason to lie on these lil message boards but hey :-X
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There has always been hate for 50 on this site, i remember when guess who's back came out. I was trying to tell people how good it was but no one would listen.
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The hate for 50 comes from his ego. Face it, people want to see the ones with the ego fall.
That's why people are now wanting game falls.
My opinion of 50... he is just an entertaining rapper. I think rap music needs to be like every other genre of music. Every other genre of music has their commercial artists, their sex symbol artists, their emotional artists, the political etc etc. 50 makes good music that makes people want to bob their heads.. And if you ever go to a hot club with some nice looking females, not one female gets off the dance floor when his music comes on. I honestly love when my wife (then girlfriend) was dancing to his music. It was good times.
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50 Cent delivers the goods. Simple as that. If you want a club bangin hip hop song, 50 has it. If you looking to 50 to provide deep lyrics and unique concepts, you won't find it on his main stream albums (which people base their opinions on). If you want another side to 50 look at POTD. If you want catchy songs, get the Massacre or GRODT.
I actually like the post Massacre 50 a lot more then GRODT. That and BFM, which is probably the best release from G-Unit.
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i thought both were enjoyable rap records, tracks flow nicely and nice beats,
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Glad you gave him a chance. Ive been listening to 50 ever since he became a protege of Jam Master Jay (my friend is a huge Run DMC fan).
Why don't I believe you when you say that?
i'd rather listen to my boy jayo felony
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Glad you gave him a chance. Ive been listening to 50 ever since he became a protege of Jam Master Jay (my friend is a huge Run DMC fan).
Why don't I believe you when you say that?
i'd rather listen to my boy jayo felony
as would I, but who on these forums doesn't listen to west coast rap? I was just renouncing the intensity of my hate for 50.
-T
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Glad you gave him a chance. Ive been listening to 50 ever since he became a protege of Jam Master Jay (my friend is a huge Run DMC fan).
Why don't I believe you when you say that?
i'd rather listen to my boy jayo felony
as would I, but who on these forums doesn't listen to west coast rap? I was just renouncing the intensity of my hate for 50.
-T
i say that specifically because did jam master put jayo on the scene?
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50 Cent delivers the goods. Simple as that. If you want a club bangin hip hop song, 50 has it. If you looking to 50 to provide deep lyrics and unique concepts, you won't find it on his main stream albums (which people base their opinions on). If you want another side to 50 look at POTD. If you want catchy songs, get the Massacre or GRODT.
I actually like the post Massacre 50 a lot more then GRODT. That and BFM, which is probably the best release from G-Unit.
Massacre is nowhere near GRODT. Massacre is like a generic attempt at recreating GRODT.
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Glad you gave him a chance. Ive been listening to 50 ever since he became a protege of Jam Master Jay (my friend is a huge Run DMC fan).
Why don't I believe you when you say that?
i'd rather listen to my boy jayo felony
as would I, but who on these forums doesn't listen to west coast rap? I was just renouncing the intensity of my hate for 50.
-T
i say that specifically because did jam master put jayo on the scene?
wha?
-T
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speaking of GRODT i just put in in my stereo for the first time n like 2 years and im enjoying it like it first came out lol im listening to too little rap lately
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50 declared in 1999, he'd be the next king of n.y
now he's at the top of the rap game, i hated on 50 after massacre because of all the soft shit he was putting out, but then i realised i hated jigga (my fvourite living rapper) for the same shit when he dropped "sunshine" then i realised they're makin their money while setting the standard for other cats
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50 declared in 1999, he'd be the next king of n.y
now he's at the top of the rap game, i hated on 50 after massacre because of all the soft shit he was putting out, but then i realised i hated jigga (my fvourite living rapper) for the same shit when he dropped "sunshine" then i realised they're makin their money while setting the standard for other cats
yeah thats what im sayin +1 man
hes just makin his money off all the haters livin on this planet, funny aint it ;D
i mean im no dickrider or anything but how can you hate 50 and then in the next post say jay-z is dope or anyone similar to that, in the end they just make their money and dont give a fuck bout what yall on a internet forum say and how much he has "fallen off".
lol
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50 declared in 1999, he'd be the next king of n.y
now he's at the top of the rap game, i hated on 50 after massacre because of all the soft shit he was putting out, but then i realised i hated jigga (my fvourite living rapper) for the same shit when he dropped "sunshine" then i realised they're makin their money while setting the standard for other cats
yeah thats what im sayin +1 man
hes just makin his money off all the haters livin on this planet, funny aint it ;D
i mean im no dickrider or anything but how can you hate 50 and then in the next post say jay-z is dope or anyone similar to that, in the end they just make their money and dont give a fuck bout what yall on a internet forum say and how much he has "fallen off".
lol
I don't know that I'd go that far, i could care less about their personal lives...all we can do here is evaluate the art.
-T
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hiphop's art has also a personal part, its mainly about the artist who makes the album/song and mostly about their personal lives and stuff, so yeah i def count their own life and w/e else related to the music as well, its all ingredients and i see the album as the food you get served. ;)
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What's new... 50 was(can still be) a dope rapper and released great materials... success just fucked him up bad when it comes to quality music, he has oversatured the market with his constant presence in the news, beefs, talking shit.. and the Massacre was wack.. seems like he didn't even try.. to be honest I'm not holding my breath on his upcoming lp.. I know he's still able to bring fire here and there but I'm aware it's money way over music for him.. so the effort will be full of poppy songs.. I just wish he could re-find a balance between (dope) commercial songs and gangsta ones as GRODT was..