West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: phatpat on March 15, 2007, 01:20:31 PM
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1. No originality - has anyone noticed all the beats - regardless if you are Westcoast, Eastcoast, South sound almost exactly the same, with the same 808 snares and claps - and the same corny Triton synths.
2. Generic subject matter in all the songs - hoes, money, grills, pimpin, shooting clubbing zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
3. Too many old rappers past their peak still releasing albums: Snoop, Jay-z, Nas, Ghostface, Dogg Pound - These rappers had albums out 10 years ago.
4. The so called new generation are wack - Lil Wayne + Jeezy + Juelz are okay, not great.
5. Ludacris won a grammy for the rap album of the year - and that album was GARBAGE - says something about state of hip-hop.
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1. I agree (for the most part)
2. I agree
3. Besides Nas, I a gree
4. Fuck no, Lil Wayne is hot!
5. Although true, that has nothing to do with hip hop being dead.
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do you know what hip hop is? rap is rap but rap is not hip hop. how could hip hop be dead when i step outside of my building there´s graffiti all over the place, kids breakdancing and rapping etc etc?
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I've only heard some tracks from Ghastface's albums last year, and I'm absolutely sure he's FAR from the reason why "hip-hop is dead".Ghostface can still compete with the greatest of all time in Hip-Hop.And from what I've heard from Blue Carpet, album ain't bad at all.
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do you know what hip hop is? rap is rap but rap is not hip hop. how could hip hop be dead when i step outside of my building there´s graffiti all over the place, kids breakdancing and rapping etc etc?
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Ice Cube is still cool,ice-t,the game,nas. Snoop is not gangsta anymore,just pimpin.What about Luda--his album is not great.fuck grammy!
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do you know what hip hop is? rap is rap but rap is not hip hop. how could hip hop be dead when i step outside of my building there´s graffiti all over the place, kids breakdancing and rapping etc etc?
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^Agree!
Fuck people who say Hip Hop Is dead
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hip hop isn't dead people just listen to the radio and watch mtv too much and you're just jealous because Ludacris's album >>>>>>>>> your favorite west coast artists album last year
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Hip-Hop needs second 2pac! .....Now : only bling-bling,girls,money - all this wack
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"Hip Hop ain't dead it's on sick leave, I nursed it back to health on my cd"
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3. Too many old rappers past their peak still releasing albums: Snoop, Jay-z, Nas, Ghostface, Dogg Pound - These rappers had albums out 10 years ago.
Past there prime but that doesn't mean they shouldn't rap anymore
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Bottomline...
Hip-Hop is not dead, Just us older folk who grew up on the N.W.A.'s
Eazy-E, Saw "Beat Street" bashed "Breakin'" for selling out (remember that).
Listened to the entire rise & fall of the West Coast
The Cube's, Deathrow ect..
We are all grown up now.
This music ain't for us anymore, it's evolved for the next generation.
I admit to hating 99% of all new music out today.
the only hip-hop material I cop nowaday's is either an album from back in the day's
I might have lost or replacing, or a "new" album from a so called Washed up artist.
(Snoop, Cube, Nas, Jay-Z ect...)
Hip-Hop is not Dead....We just out grew it.
Everything that these kid's are doing has already been done & said before.
Hip-Hop is on repeat.
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lol you dont KNOW the value and how much weight the statement actually holds. This is because you do not have much of an idea of what Hiphop is because all of your five mentions are focued on one element. And your so called reasons of detroriation of those five mentions are harshly opinionated and bias. If anything, hiphop would be dead because people cant identify it for what it is..A CULTURE, One reason why its alive is Nas making us re-evaluate the statement and what hiphop means to us. OUTSIDE OF THAT, its nothing more than a clever marketing gimmick. I mean why else would every rapper who had a problem with the statement be on a label ALONGSIDE Nas? That could be coincidence, then again so could Snoop/Eminem/Dre always releasing albums right before one and other.
1) dances are stiill present,
2) DJs still run the rap scenes in the streets (and because I still fuck with DJ Screwtapes)
3) There are quality rappers in my collection
4) There is graffiti on my schools and neighborhood
when all of the above just suddenly vanish I will account you for something.
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I wouldn't say hip hop is dead, just look at the New West coast. Bishop, Omar, Crooked, Ya Boy - a lot of talent that hasn't been seen for a while on the west coast. And the same is happening in other places; Lupe Fiasco in Chi, papoose, saigon, joell ortiz in the east.
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Why you tryna find reasons why hip hop is dead, when you could use your time and try to find why it is alive ?! Cause it's alive than never, if Nas released an album and a single with that name, doesn't matter that it is true! I consider Nas one of the greatest of all time, I put him 3rd place after Rakim and Immortal Technique, but that doesn't mean I consider Hip Hop is dead !
Pls tell me why there weren't any threads with Hip Hop is dead BEFORE Nas said it? Last year this time we were trippin about DPG getting toghether and now we claim they wack?!
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just one reason.... Pac is dead !!
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for real WTF is this confusion between rap and hiphop get some culture mother*****
I think when Nas says HipHop is dead he means the funny part in all that has gone or something like that
Because back in the days hiphop gathered people: men,women, etc .the mc's had something to say & the dj djed
The females don't rap nomore for example, or so few.They gone into the r'n'b branch because it's the gangsta era or wannabe gangsters & they can't compet.
Now it's the era of mc's trying to sing, showing off their bling bling, they sell us mixtapes which are not "mixtapes" and the list goes on.It's all that, that's my belief.
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1. No originality - has anyone noticed all the beats - regardless if you are Westcoast, Eastcoast, South sound almost exactly the same, with the same 808 snares and claps - and the same corny Triton synths.
2. Generic subject matter in all the songs - hoes, money, grills, pimpin, shooting clubbing zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
3. Too many old rappers past their peak still releasing albums: Snoop, Jay-z, Nas, Ghostface, Dogg Pound - These rappers had albums out 10 years ago.
4. The so called new generation are wack - Lil Wayne + Jeezy + Juelz are okay, not great.
5. Ludacris won a grammy for the rap album of the year - and that album was GARBAGE - says something about state of hip-hop.
Hiphop is not dead. You think this because you are not in the streets. Hiphop is only dead for people who expect to see it in the media outlets, or for rappers that expect to make billions of dollars of it. Just because you don't see your favorite rapper on tv its dead? Hiphop lives in the streets and always will and it never meant to be about money or fame. Its starting to rebuild itself. Check your local blocks, this is still the most influential genre in America.
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i'm sorry but to the people who say hip-hop is dead is because 2pac isn't around is fucking retarded. 2pac was a rapper, not the godfather of rap behind the scenes.
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1. No originality - has anyone noticed all the beats - regardless if you are Westcoast, Eastcoast, South sound almost exactly the same, with the same 808 snares and claps - and the same corny Triton synths.
2. Generic subject matter in all the songs - hoes, money, grills, pimpin, shooting clubbing zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
3. Too many old rappers past their peak still releasing albums: Snoop, Jay-z, Nas, Ghostface, Dogg Pound - These rappers had albums out 10 years ago.
4. The so called new generation are wack - Lil Wayne + Jeezy + Juelz are okay, not great.
5. Ludacris won a grammy for the rap album of the year - and that album was GARBAGE - says something about state of hip-hop.
Hiphop is not dead. You think this because you are not in the streets. Hiphop is only dead for people who expect to see it in the media outlets, or for rappers that expect to make billions of dollars of it. Just because you don't see your favorite rapper on tv its dead? Hiphop lives in the streets and always will and it never meant to be about money or fame. Its starting to rebuild itself. Check your local blocks, this is still the most influential genre in America.
REAL FUCKING TALK !
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do you know what hip hop is? rap is rap but rap is not hip hop. how could hip hop be dead when i step outside of my building there´s graffiti all over the place, kids breakdancing and rapping etc etc?
I have been saying this, agreed.
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1. No originality - has anyone noticed all the beats - regardless if you are Westcoast, Eastcoast, South sound almost exactly the same, with the same 808 snares and claps - and the same corny Triton synths.
2. Generic subject matter in all the songs - hoes, money, grills, pimpin, shooting clubbing zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
3. Too many old rappers past their peak still releasing albums: Snoop, Jay-z, Nas, Ghostface, Dogg Pound - These rappers had albums out 10 years ago.
4. The so called new generation are wack - Lil Wayne + Jeezy + Juelz are okay, not great.
5. Ludacris won a grammy for the rap album of the year - and that album was GARBAGE - says something about state of hip-hop.
Agreed 100%
But i dont know if you can say HIP HOP is dead because the artists in other countries are pretty dope. That is if you can understand the language and what they're saying.
Lot of rappers in europe and middle east are really creative and intelligent with their songs. In the last couple of years i've been into rappers from Iran and they are spitting some fire. They put out lots of classics day in and out like PAC, biggie, nas and them used to do.
So the solutions is for US rappers to step it up and get more educated. I blame it on the school system and the media. :D
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1. No originality - has anyone noticed all the beats - regardless if you are Westcoast, Eastcoast, South sound almost exactly the same, with the same 808 snares and claps - and the same corny Triton synths.
2. Generic subject matter in all the songs - hoes, money, grills, pimpin, shooting clubbing zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
3. Too many old rappers past their peak still releasing albums: Snoop, Jay-z, Nas, Ghostface, Dogg Pound - These rappers had albums out 10 years ago.
4. The so called new generation are wack - Lil Wayne + Jeezy + Juelz are okay, not great.
5. Ludacris won a grammy for the rap album of the year - and that album was GARBAGE - says something about state of hip-hop.
Agreed 100%
But i dont know if you can say HIP HOP is dead because the artists in other countries are pretty dope. That is if you can understand the language and what they're saying.
Lot of rappers in europe and middle east are really creative and intelligent with their songs. In the last couple of years i've been into rappers from Iran and they are spitting some fire. They put out lots of classics day in and out like PAC, biggie, nas and them used to do.
So the solutions is for US rappers to step it up and get more educated. I blame it on the school system and the media. :D
legit thoughts. every middl eastern hip hopper i ever met was serious as fuck about good art
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Maybe hip-hop is "dead" because people keep making bullshit threads talking about it.
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Maybe hip-hop is "dead" because people keep making bullshit threads talking about it.
oh yea this thread is affecting how wack chamillionaire is gonna sound on his next single.
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legit thoughts. every middl eastern hip hopper i ever met was serious as fuck about good art
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real shit and thats what its about....im afraid even my favorite rappers like snoop and them dont make music for themselves. Its all about sales and commercial bullshit.
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Yeah, pretty sure I just gasped when I saw you mentioned Ghostface as one of the rappers "past their prime" ruining hip hop. That's beyond blasphemy fool you need repent and hopefully (for your sake) the mighty Tony Starks forgivith thou for thyn irreverence. Ghostface is like a fine wine getting better with time, veloured down like the sheik of Iran... everyone knows since the 'face been revealed the game got real!
Ghostface is for the children
I'm the inventor, '86 rhymin at the center
Debut, '93 LP told you to Enter
Punk faggot niggaz stealin my light
Crawl up in the bed with grandma,
beneath the La-Z-Boy where ya hid ya knife
Ghost is back, stretch Cadillacs, fruit cocktails
Hit the shells at Paul's Pastry Rack
Walk with me like Darthy tried to judge these
plush degrees, said the cow, wrap the fees
Gettin waxed all through the drive-thru
Take the stand, throw my hand all on the Bible
and tell lies too, I'm the ultimate
splash the Wolverine Razor Sharp ring, dolomite
student enrolled holdin it
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Maybe hip-hop is "dead" because people keep making bullshit threads talking about it.
oh yea this thread is affecting how wack chamillionaire is gonna sound on his next single.
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Nah, I think Koopa is dope. He is a good rapper, don't hate because he had a big hit single.
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Yeah, pretty sure I just gasped when I saw you mentioned Ghostface as one of the rappers "past their prime" ruining hip hop. That's beyond blasphemy fool you need repent and hopefully (for your sake) the mighty Tony Starks forgivith thou for thyn irreverence. Ghostface is like a fine wine getting better with time, veloured down like the sheik of Iran... everyone knows since the 'face been revealed the game got real!
Ghostface is for the children
I'm the inventor, '86 rhymin at the center
Debut, '93 LP told you to Enter
Punk faggot niggaz stealin my light
Crawl up in the bed with grandma,
beneath the La-Z-Boy where ya hid ya knife
Ghost is back, stretch Cadillacs, fruit cocktails
Hit the shells at Paul's Pastry Rack
Walk with me like Darthy tried to judge these
plush degrees, said the cow, wrap the fees
Gettin waxed all through the drive-thru
Take the stand, throw my hand all on the Bible
and tell lies too, I'm the ultimate
splash the Wolverine Razor Sharp ring, dolomite
student enrolled holdin it
And Ghost is one of the few still releasing innovative, creative music.
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just one reason.... Pac is dead !!
5 yrs. old-2pacdickrider boy answer.
1. No originality - has anyone noticed all the beats - regardless if you are Westcoast, Eastcoast, South sound almost exactly the same, with the same 808 snares and claps - and the same corny Triton synths.
2. Generic subject matter in all the songs - hoes, money, grills, pimpin, shooting clubbing zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
4. The so called new generation are wack - Lil Wayne + Jeezy + Juelz are okay, not great.
THATS WHY HIP-HOP IS DEAD. THANKS TO THE THREADSTARTER, AGREE WITH YOU 10000000%
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1. No originality - has anyone noticed all the beats - regardless if you are Westcoast, Eastcoast, South sound almost exactly the same, with the same 808 snares and claps - and the same corny Triton synths.
2. Generic subject matter in all the songs - hoes, money, grills, pimpin, shooting clubbing zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
3. Too many old rappers past their peak still releasing albums: Snoop, Jay-z, Nas, Ghostface, Dogg Pound - These rappers had albums out 10 years ago.
4. The so called new generation are wack - Lil Wayne + Jeezy + Juelz are okay, not great.
5. Ludacris won a grammy for the rap album of the year - and that album was GARBAGE - says something about state of hip-hop.
No offense man, but is your opinion by record sales or by what Nas told you?
1. If there is a certain sound that people like then it's going to be duplicated. That is the way it is in ALL music genres. Not just hip hop. You can't tell me that hip hop from 1980s to 2007 all has the similar beats.. So you understand that hip hop has it's eras (g-funk, snap music, etc) just like Rock (ska, grunge, alternative).
2. Same as #1.
3. What's wrong with longevity? That's actually a good thing.
4. Ofcourse this is your opinion. I think that these rappers nowadays are more talented than the older rappers because they are not giving the resources of the old school rappers. I mean can you imagine if The Game had Dr Dre, DOC, Daz, Kurupt, Lady of Rage, RBX, J-Flexx, Sean Barney etc etc locked in the studio for weeks with one goal of making sure you had the best music possible? You can't get that kind of collaboration these days.
5. The grammys are not the people's choice awards. So who knows who is choosing the winners. Besides, did you see the artists that were eligible in the timeline for this year's award? Who else should of won it?
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1. No originality - has anyone noticed all the beats - regardless if you are Westcoast, Eastcoast, South sound almost exactly the same, with the same 808 snares and claps - and the same corny Triton synths.
2. Generic subject matter in all the songs - hoes, money, grills, pimpin, shooting clubbing zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
3. Too many old rappers past their peak still releasing albums: Snoop, Jay-z, Nas, Ghostface, Dogg Pound - These rappers had albums out 10 years ago.
4. The so called new generation are wack - Lil Wayne + Jeezy + Juelz are okay, not great.
5. Ludacris won a grammy for the rap album of the year - and that album was GARBAGE - says something about state of hip-hop.
4. Ofcourse this is your opinion. I think that these rappers nowadays are more talented than the older rappers because they are not giving the resources of the old school rappers. I mean can you imagine if The Game had Dr Dre, DOC, Daz, Kurupt, Lady of Rage, RBX, J-Flexx, Sean Barney etc etc locked in the studio for weeks with one goal of making sure you had the best music possible? You can't get that kind of collaboration these days.
this is my favorite of what you just said. labels aren't labels anymore. they're just two or three mothafuckaz at a time saying they're a movement when they can't even drop records most of the time. everyone looked at me like I was a fuckin' idiot when I suggested asking Gail Gotti about dre, 10 years ago, more mufuckaz woulda saw where I was coming from.
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hip hop isn't dead people just listen to the radio and watch mtv too much and you're just jealous because Ludacris's album >>>>>>>>> your favorite west coast artists album last year
Ludacris makes some of the wackest fucking album's that i've ever heard...and I know he has the skills to make better music then that...i mean...wtf up with songs like moneymaker? man i cant stand that bs.
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1. I agree
2. I agree (CLUB/PARTY MUSIC)
3. You should be shot or stabed for saying this, these are the only dudes keeping rap alive.
4. I agree the new generation are horrible lets see the East or West get in this now.
5. Agreed people only winning shit because theres nobody and every1 basically is garbage now!!!!