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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: proverbs aka DD on March 18, 2007, 08:10:34 AM
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Do you think they will bring back Game to the Aftermath if he is still 'workable' at that time?
50 wants a 100 million dollar contract renewal after he drops 2 more albums. He said he is releasing "Before I Self Destruct" then another album in Feb 2008 to satisfy his contract.
If Jimmy Iovine doesn't think 50 is worth that 100 million deal and 50 leaves with G-Unit, there wouldn't be a conflict..
What do you all think?
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i think all 50 has left in him is 2 albums, honestly hes already pretty much fallen off in the eyes of alot of people. If these next two albums dont sale 4 or 5 million records than he aint getting the money.
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i think all 50 has left in him is 2 albums, honestly hes already pretty much fallen off in the eyes of alot of people. If these next two albums dont sale 4 or 5 million records than he aint getting the money.
i think interscope already hinted at 50 that he's not that hot anymore as he used to be. That's why all these rumors and talk are going on about g-unit going to get dropped and 50 won't get alot of money at renewal. i think before i self destruct will be a good indication of what his future is..
but do you think they going to bring back someone like The Game to be a featured artist? I'm sure he won't ask for 100 million and he can somewhat push records without dre's musical imput.
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Why the hell would they choose Game ? He had an all star production list, major guest apperances, he was promoted like crazy for 6 months being on every magazine, radio... and is 6 months after the release still strugling to go plat.
And about GUnit getting dropped that was just a rumour. Lets say if they would, that means they would have to drop 3/4 of Interscope artists, since most of them flopped like Mobb Deep and Banks or even harder. Not to mention both of those 2 projects had low budget; up and coming producers and only inhouse guests.
50 will do just fine with next LP. People shouldnt confuse GUnit with 50 Cent. Hes the biggest rap name next to Em and Jay.
BTW I think 50 was just joking when he said that.
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hmmm, I'm a bit confused... I read somewhere on wikipeida that Mobb Deeps Gunit album went double plat... I wonder how true that is...
And if anybody from Gunit gets dropped please let it be Tony Yayo, all I dug on his last album was Gshit and I know you don't love me. Didn't he only go gold?
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And there are thousands of record labels that are going to give 50 that money elsewhere ::). He has got it good and he knows it. He ain't going nowhere.
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i think all 50 has left in him is 2 albums, honestly hes already pretty much fallen off in the eyes of alot of people. If these next two albums dont sale 4 or 5 million records than he aint getting the money.
i think interscope already hinted at 50 that he's not that hot anymore as he used to be. That's why all these rumors and talk are going on about g-unit going to get dropped and 50 won't get alot of money at renewal. i think before i self destruct will be a good indication of what his future is..
but do you think they going to bring back someone like The Game to be a featured artist? I'm sure he won't ask for 100 million and he can somewhat push records without dre's musical imput.
The Game ruined his career with the whole beef with 50 cent. the documentary would of sold alot more records and would of got more support if he didnt start that whole beef... i highly doubt that The Game could sale as many records as 50.
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I can't imagine why they should drop 50 and replace him with Game. Game has nothing to offer, he can't even establish a new crew, and his sales ain't that good.
But 50 won't sell as much as he did with past releases, so he should be careful with such statements.
50 is still a star, but the big hype is over now.
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And there are thousands of record labels that are going to give 50 that money elsewhere ::). He has got it good and he knows it. He ain't going nowhere.
That's what being a boss is all about. 50 can still sell 2 million in the Tri-State alone, and yeah, his record sales are going down, abd may drop somemore, Game would not be a good exchange for Interscope. If he struggled to go platinum this time, he will struggle to go gold next time.
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And there are thousands of record labels that are going to give 50 that money elsewhere ::). He has got it good and he knows it. He ain't going nowhere.
That's what being a boss is all about. 50 can still sell 2 million in the Tri-State alone, and yeah, his record sales are going down, abd may drop somemore, Game would not be a good exchange for Interscope. If he struggled to go platinum this time, he will struggle to go gold next time.
nah, it was poor singles on the part of Game
if he'd done too much, the jamie foxx song and wouldn't get far instead of one blood(too street), let's ride (is really just trying too hard, sounds awkward to a non-fan), and wouldn't get far (too little too late).
furthermore, proverbs wasn't saying are they gonna replace 50 with Game, yall always jump to the most extreme ass shit. he was just saying, do yall think they would fuck with Game once 50 left?
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First of all The Game is still signed to Interscope. And why would Game go back to Aftermath? He was pissed at Dre for picking 50 over him. Why would he go back to a label he felt betrayed him just so he can wait 3 years to release an album and give Dr. Dre a huge cut of his album sales? As for 50 Cent, he's not going to get $100 million. If Iovine believed another record label would, then maybe he'll make the offer, but no one is offering $100,000,000 contracts in this day and age. By the time 50 last album in his contract comes out, I doubt he'd push more then triple plat.
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When 50 drops that club shit all the ladies feel that shit thats why his cd's sell but as far as street credebility hes lost that now Game has destroyed him he is a joke in New York but when he does his pop shit people feel it the clubs go crazy so im pretty sure jimmy ivione will re sign him with that deal. However bringing game back would be a good move because game is getting popular as hell now wouldnt get far is blowing up and he is on the charts now strong people like him better than 50cent.
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First of all The Game is still signed to Interscope. And why would Game go back to Aftermath? He was pissed at Dre for picking 50 over him. Why would he go back to a label he felt betrayed him just so he can wait 3 years to release an album and give Dr. Dre a huge cut of his album sales? As for 50 Cent, he's not going to get $100 million. If Iovine believed another record label would, then maybe he'll make the offer, but no one is offering $100,000,000 contracts in this day and age. By the time 50 last album in his contract comes out, I doubt he'd push more then triple plat.
^^^^^^^^^^would you go back after they dropped you and your so called hip hop farther would not produce for your album ?
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First of all The Game is still signed to Interscope. And why would Game go back to Aftermath? He was pissed at Dre for picking 50 over him. Why would he go back to a label he felt betrayed him just so he can wait 3 years to release an album and give Dr. Dre a huge cut of his album sales? As for 50 Cent, he's not going to get $100 million. If Iovine believed another record label would, then maybe he'll make the offer, but no one is offering $100,000,000 contracts in this day and age. By the time 50 last album in his contract comes out, I doubt he'd push more then triple plat.
^^^^^^^^^^would you go back after they dropped you and your so called hip hop farther would not produce for your album ?
Hell no.
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50s first cd was dope as fuck his 2 was was so gay if he makes a good cd like the first he should sell fine
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And there are thousands of record labels that are going to give 50 that money elsewhere ::). He has got it good and he knows it. He ain't going nowhere.
That's what being a boss is all about. 50 can still sell 2 million in the Tri-State alone, and yeah, his record sales are going down, abd may drop somemore, Game would not be a good exchange for Interscope. If he struggled to go platinum this time, he will struggle to go gold next time.
nah, it was poor singles on the part of Game
if he'd done too much, the jamie foxx song and wouldn't get far instead of one blood(too street), let's ride (is really just trying too hard, sounds awkward to a non-fan), and wouldn't get far (too little too late).
furthermore, proverbs wasn't saying are they gonna replace 50 with Game, yall always jump to the most extreme ass shit. he was just saying, do yall think they would fuck with Game once 50 left?
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thanks man.
i don't mean replace 50 with game.. i'm talking about working with him more and bringing him back to the label since the reason he was moved to Geffen was because he beefed with 50.
i guess the question could be general for any rapper 50 has beefed with. Do you think Aftermath/Interscope would be open to work and possibly sign artists that they wouldn't have b/c 50 was around?
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And there are thousands of record labels that are going to give 50 that money elsewhere ::). He has got it good and he knows it. He ain't going nowhere.
That's what being a boss is all about. 50 can still sell 2 million in the Tri-State alone, and yeah, his record sales are going down, abd may drop somemore, Game would not be a good exchange for Interscope. If he struggled to go platinum this time, he will struggle to go gold next time.
nah, it was poor singles on the part of Game
if he'd done too much, the jamie foxx song and wouldn't get far instead of one blood(too street), let's ride (is really just trying too hard, sounds awkward to a non-fan), and wouldn't get far (too little too late).
furthermore, proverbs wasn't saying are they gonna replace 50 with Game, yall always jump to the most extreme ass shit. he was just saying, do yall think they would fuck with Game once 50 left?
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thanks man.
i don't mean replace 50 with game.. i'm talking about working with him more and bringing him back to the label since the reason he was moved to Geffen was because he beefed with 50.
i guess the question could be general for any rapper 50 has beefed with. Do you think Aftermath/Interscope would be open to work and possibly sign artists that they wouldn't have b/c 50 was around?
Hell yes, it's great publicity. it's attention. I mean jesus, look at the situations that have happened! it's like the WWF, very well dramatized soap operas and shit. the game/50 beef sold a grip of records. and alot of us still talk about. hell yeah, they would sign Game again and Game would do it if the all the money and staging was right.
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And there are thousands of record labels that are going to give 50 that money elsewhere ::). He has got it good and he knows it. He ain't going nowhere.
That's what being a boss is all about. 50 can still sell 2 million in the Tri-State alone, and yeah, his record sales are going down, abd may drop somemore, Game would not be a good exchange for Interscope. If he struggled to go platinum this time, he will struggle to go gold next time.
nah, it was poor singles on the part of Game
if he'd done too much, the jamie foxx song and wouldn't get far instead of one blood(too street), let's ride (is really just trying too hard, sounds awkward to a non-fan), and wouldn't get far (too little too late).
furthermore, proverbs wasn't saying are they gonna replace 50 with Game, yall always jump to the most extreme ass shit. he was just saying, do yall think they would fuck with Game once 50 left?
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IMO, it didn't matter what singles he released, "One Blood" was very popular out here, but without 50, I knew he wouldn't go platinum. Unless he steps it up majorly, he will struggle to sell gold next time.
As far as Game returing to the Aftermath camp, it's anybody's guess. None of us REALLY know what happened, and none if us knows what his relationship with Dre is really like. I don't think Aftermath would pick him up again, as he most likley won't sell with his next album. Same shit happened to Banks.
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I still cant understand people who are saying Game is off Aftermath because of 50. It was a part of why he got dropped but not the whole reason. Its obvious his character is strange, not trust worthy and dissing Bishop and Eminem (about that 2Pac thing) wasnt the smartest idea from Game either.
Somebody said something about poor choices of singles. One Blood was a great choice for a street single, Lets Ride was weak but lets be real here, Game had no hit material. other than Kanye joint, which flopped anyways.
People aint stupid, they saw that Game isnt the most original rapper out there. Like he said it himeslf, the name Game is because he stuided the game, is several rappers rolled in one. Hes just not unique. Sometimes he sounds like 50, sometimes like Dre, sometimes like Pharrell. Hes not bad at all, hes just aint nothing special. You could saw based on his sales, it was mostly about hype. He had solid first 2,3 weeks, then it all slowed down.
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I still cant understand people who are saying Game is off Aftermath because of 50. It was a part of why he got dropped but not the whole reason. Its obvious his character is strange, not trust worthy and dissing Bishop and Eminem (about that 2Pac thing) wasnt the smartest idea from Game either.
Somebody said something about poor choices of singles. One Blood was a great choice for a street single, Lets Ride was weak but lets be real here, Game had no hit material. other than Kanye joint, which flopped anyways.
People aint stupid, they saw that Game isnt the most original rapper out there. Like he said it himeslf, the name Game is because he stuided the game, is several rappers rolled in one. Hes just not unique. Sometimes he sounds like 50, sometimes like Dre, sometimes like Pharrell. Hes not bad at all, hes just aint nothing special. You could saw based on his sales, it was mostly about hype. He had solid first 2,3 weeks, then it all slowed down.
Most of what your saying is true. However...
-He dissed Bishop after he got kicked off Aftermath.
-Wouldn't Get Far did okay/so-so for a 3rd single.
-He got the name "Game" from his grandma when he was a kid.
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- yeah I know, I was pointing that out as a proff of his wierd charcter and even if it was after he was dropped, dissing Dres next golden boy isnt the smartest thing
- well it shouldve done a lot better, had a hit written all over it and almost everything Kanye touches turns gold
- true but I remember in an interview from 04,05 how he said The Game represents all best styles, rapper rolled in one, and how he studied the whole rap game, how hes a student of rap
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it seems to me that dre is kinda always movin forward. a lot of cats he beefs with and works with he seems to not really work with even after they cool. he's always fuckin with someone different.
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it seems to me that dre is kinda always movin forward. a lot of cats he beefs with and works with he seems to not really work with even after they cool. he's always fuckin with someone different.
Dre's going to work with whoever's hot. If you die down Dre will forget about you and move on. Not too much loyality from him.
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- true but I remember in an interview from 04,05 how he said The Game represents all best styles, rapper rolled in one, and how he studied the whole rap game, how hes a student of rap
Game's always flipping stories. He's the John Kerry of rap.
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i think all 50 has left in him is 2 albums, honestly hes already pretty much fallen off in the eyes of alot of people. If these next two albums dont sale 4 or 5 million records than he aint getting the money.
i think interscope already hinted at 50 that he's not that hot anymore as he used to be. That's why all these rumors and talk are going on about g-unit going to get dropped and 50 won't get alot of money at renewal. i think before i self destruct will be a good indication of what his future is..
but do you think they going to bring back someone like The Game to be a featured artist? I'm sure he won't ask for 100 million and he can somewhat push records without dre's musical imput.
The Game ruined his career with the whole beef with 50 cent. the documentary would of sold alot more records and would of got more support if he didnt start that whole beef... i highly doubt that The Game could sale as many records as 50.
wtf are you talking about? 50 started the whole beef with game, talking shit about how gunit is gonna drop him cuz he wasn't participating with 50's bullshit beefs...and how's game's career is ruined? if thats the case then his album wouldn't even gone gold...his 2nd album sold well, especially considering how record business is on a decline nowdays...
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I still cant understand people who are saying Game is off Aftermath because of 50. It was a part of why he got dropped but not the whole reason. Its obvious his character is strange, not trust worthy and dissing Bishop and Eminem (about that 2Pac thing) wasnt the smartest idea from Game either.
Do you have a source from someone from the inside saying that was the reason why Game was dropped? As much as i read and watch hip hop news, i never ever ever read or heard any interview of someone saying "Game got dropped from Aftermath because his character is strange". And unless you have some secret Dre interview/conversation that you're not sharing, he hasn't publically commented on his relationship with Game and why he isn't on Aftermath..
Maybe you might think Game's personality is strange, but you shouldn't impose your opinions as Aftermath/Interscope's opinions.
Somebody said something about poor choices of singles. One Blood was a great choice for a street single, Lets Ride was weak but lets be real here, Game had no hit material. other than Kanye joint, which flopped anyways.
People aint stupid, they saw that Game isnt the most original rapper out there. Like he said it himeslf, the name Game is because he stuided the game, is several rappers rolled in one. Hes just not unique. Sometimes he sounds like 50, sometimes like Dre, sometimes like Pharrell. Hes not bad at all, hes just aint nothing special. You could saw based on his sales, it was mostly about hype. He had solid first 2,3 weeks, then it all slowed down.
Your point makes me wonder why they still work with Busta Rhymes. The man got mad character, he has talent yet nobody is really checking for him. He only went gold based from the extra push in marketing. Game on the other hand, has talent (even 50 said he is a good rapper, just doesn't know how to make songs), can self market and can push units.. He has sold 900,000 units in 4 months without Dre or 50's help. Other than Dre, 50 and Em, there is no other rapper on Aftermath/Shady/G-Unit that can sell 900,000 records in 4 months WITH or WITHOUT Dre and 50 Cent.. And i'm speaking of Eve, Busta, Banks, Yayo, and soon to be Young Buck.
Didn't Dre say himself
"Then I got these fake-ass niggaz I first drew with
Claimin that they non-violent, talkin like they *voice sample*
Spit venom in interviews, speakin on reunions
Move units, then talk shit and we can do this
Until then - I ain't even speakin your name"
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i think all 50 has left in him is 2 albums, honestly hes already pretty much fallen off in the eyes of alot of people. If these next two albums dont sale 4 or 5 million records than he aint getting the money.
i think interscope already hinted at 50 that he's not that hot anymore as he used to be. That's why all these rumors and talk are going on about g-unit going to get dropped and 50 won't get alot of money at renewal. i think before i self destruct will be a good indication of what his future is..
but do you think they going to bring back someone like The Game to be a featured artist? I'm sure he won't ask for 100 million and he can somewhat push records without dre's musical imput.
The Game ruined his career with the whole beef with 50 cent. the documentary would of sold alot more records and would of got more support if he didnt start that whole beef... i highly doubt that The Game could sale as many records as 50.
wtf are you talking about? 50 started the whole beef with game, talking shit about how gunit is gonna drop him cuz he wasn't participating with 50's bullshit beefs...and how's game's career is ruined? if thats the case then his album wouldn't even gone gold...his 2nd album sold well, especially considering how record business is on a decline nowdays...
exactly i cant believe this douche bag has the nerve to blame Game for the beef
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I still cant understand people who are saying Game is off Aftermath because of 50. It was a part of why he got dropped but not the whole reason. Its obvious his character is strange, not trust worthy and dissing Bishop and Eminem (about that 2Pac thing) wasnt the smartest idea from Game either.
Do you have a source from someone from the inside saying that was the reason why Game was dropped? As much as i read and watch hip hop news, i never ever ever read or heard any interview of someone saying "Game got dropped from Aftermath because his character is strange". And unless you have some secret Dre interview/conversation that you're not sharing, he hasn't publically commented on his relationship with Game and why he isn't on Aftermath..
Maybe you might think Game's personality is strange, but you shouldn't impose your opinions as Aftermath/Interscope's opinions.
Somebody said something about poor choices of singles. One Blood was a great choice for a street single, Lets Ride was weak but lets be real here, Game had no hit material. other than Kanye joint, which flopped anyways.
People aint stupid, they saw that Game isnt the most original rapper out there. Like he said it himeslf, the name Game is because he stuided the game, is several rappers rolled in one. Hes just not unique. Sometimes he sounds like 50, sometimes like Dre, sometimes like Pharrell. Hes not bad at all, hes just aint nothing special. You could saw based on his sales, it was mostly about hype. He had solid first 2,3 weeks, then it all slowed down.
Your point makes me wonder why they still work with Busta Rhymes. The man got mad character, he has talent yet nobody is really checking for him. He only went gold based from the extra push in marketing. Game on the other hand, has talent (even 50 said he is a good rapper, just doesn't know how to make songs), can self market and can push units.. He has sold 900,000 units in 4 months without Dre or 50's help. Other than Dre, 50 and Em, there is no other rapper on Aftermath/Shady/G-Unit that can sell 900,000 records in 4 months WITH or WITHOUT Dre and 50 Cent.. And i'm speaking of Eve, Busta, Banks, Yayo, and soon to be Young Buck.
Didn't Dre say himself
"Then I got these fake-ass niggaz I first drew with
Claimin that they non-violent, talkin like they *voice sample*
Spit venom in interviews, speakin on reunions
Move units, then talk shit and we can do this
Until then - I ain't even speakin your name"
well said
Game did not have heaps of promotion he wasnt on the radio all day like 50 & u didnt see so much plastered....he did market himself well with the internet rap fan scene though i must say which is probably who bought his first 300,000 copies
not many rappers can go plat these days in 6 motnhs. & when its all said & done, once it reaches 6 months (Nov 14th release would make it May 14th right?) he will be plat. He did that without a real hit. He made bad singles choice in lets ride. One Blood was a good street single but it wasnt Westside Story, Wouldnt get Far shoulda been the first real single & then Around the World with Jamie FOxx coz Foxx is well known & the song isd a good radio song i reckon
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Back on-topic - why would anyone give 50 $100million to sign?
Aftermath/Interscope would not make that kind of money back - especially off someone who will be on to his 4th major release.
Can't deny that 50 is a big name, and he could probably negotiate one of the biggest contracts in rap today - but not $100million.
TTK was probably right - 50 must have been joking.
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I still cant understand people who are saying Game is off Aftermath because of 50. It was a part of why he got dropped but not the whole reason. Its obvious his character is strange, not trust worthy and dissing Bishop and Eminem (about that 2Pac thing) wasnt the smartest idea from Game either.
Do you have a source from someone from the inside saying that was the reason why Game was dropped? As much as i read and watch hip hop news, i never ever ever read or heard any interview of someone saying "Game got dropped from Aftermath because his character is strange". And unless you have some secret Dre interview/conversation that you're not sharing, he hasn't publically commented on his relationship with Game and why he isn't on Aftermath..
Maybe you might think Game's personality is strange, but you shouldn't impose your opinions as Aftermath/Interscope's opinions.
Somebody said something about poor choices of singles. One Blood was a great choice for a street single, Lets Ride was weak but lets be real here, Game had no hit material. other than Kanye joint, which flopped anyways.
People aint stupid, they saw that Game isnt the most original rapper out there. Like he said it himeslf, the name Game is because he stuided the game, is several rappers rolled in one. Hes just not unique. Sometimes he sounds like 50, sometimes like Dre, sometimes like Pharrell. Hes not bad at all, hes just aint nothing special. You could saw based on his sales, it was mostly about hype. He had solid first 2,3 weeks, then it all slowed down.
Your point makes me wonder why they still work with Busta Rhymes. The man got mad character, he has talent yet nobody is really checking for him. He only went gold based from the extra push in marketing. Game on the other hand, has talent (even 50 said he is a good rapper, just doesn't know how to make songs), can self market and can push units.. He has sold 900,000 units in 4 months without Dre or 50's help. Other than Dre, 50 and Em, there is no other rapper on Aftermath/Shady/G-Unit that can sell 900,000 records in 4 months WITH or WITHOUT Dre and 50 Cent.. And i'm speaking of Eve, Busta, Banks, Yayo, and soon to be Young Buck.
Didn't Dre say himself
"Then I got these fake-ass niggaz I first drew with
Claimin that they non-violent, talkin like they *voice sample*
Spit venom in interviews, speakin on reunions
Move units, then talk shit and we can do this
Until then - I ain't even speakin your name"
You dont need no source to know that. Couple examples; we all know Dre and 50 were pissed at Game for appearing in that "Certified Gangsta" vid. They wanted Games first apperance to be the How We Do vid, but he didnt do what he was told. Lets talk about him dissing Jay-z, with whom Dre has a great relationship. Lets talk about him dissing Xzibit, for no reason, who is also close to Dre. Lets talk about him dissing 50 on that Soldier track (Game said it himself), or that Dreams joint. Lets talk about how R-Tistic said that Game was planning the beef since summer 2004. Lets talk about how he dissed Eminem for that 2Pac album. Lets talk about how he dissed Bishop 3 months after he got dropped. So when Dre had to decide who to drop, it was a no-brainer, bussiness and personality wise. Not to mention that Em and 50 are like brothers and 50 gets along great with the whole Shady family.
Now Im gonna tell you why Game sold 800.000. Hype. He was all about hype. "Hows he gonna do without Dre and 50 bla bla bla". Game took advantage of that. Dude was on EVERY magazine, on XXL and Source even 2,3 times, radio, tv, interviews.... Everybody wanted to see how he'll turn out. Thats why he was at 700.000 after a month, then it all completley slowed down.
Getting dropped from GUnit/ Aftermath was the best thing that could happen to him. If he stayed there Im positive, he'd do Busta numbers.
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I still cant understand people who are saying Game is off Aftermath because of 50. It was a part of why he got dropped but not the whole reason. Its obvious his character is strange, not trust worthy and dissing Bishop and Eminem (about that 2Pac thing) wasnt the smartest idea from Game either.
Do you have a source from someone from the inside saying that was the reason why Game was dropped? As much as i read and watch hip hop news, i never ever ever read or heard any interview of someone saying "Game got dropped from Aftermath because his character is strange". And unless you have some secret Dre interview/conversation that you're not sharing, he hasn't publically commented on his relationship with Game and why he isn't on Aftermath..
Maybe you might think Game's personality is strange, but you shouldn't impose your opinions as Aftermath/Interscope's opinions.
Somebody said something about poor choices of singles. One Blood was a great choice for a street single, Lets Ride was weak but lets be real here, Game had no hit material. other than Kanye joint, which flopped anyways.
People aint stupid, they saw that Game isnt the most original rapper out there. Like he said it himeslf, the name Game is because he stuided the game, is several rappers rolled in one. Hes just not unique. Sometimes he sounds like 50, sometimes like Dre, sometimes like Pharrell. Hes not bad at all, hes just aint nothing special. You could saw based on his sales, it was mostly about hype. He had solid first 2,3 weeks, then it all slowed down.
Your point makes me wonder why they still work with Busta Rhymes. The man got mad character, he has talent yet nobody is really checking for him. He only went gold based from the extra push in marketing. Game on the other hand, has talent (even 50 said he is a good rapper, just doesn't know how to make songs), can self market and can push units.. He has sold 900,000 units in 4 months without Dre or 50's help. Other than Dre, 50 and Em, there is no other rapper on Aftermath/Shady/G-Unit that can sell 900,000 records in 4 months WITH or WITHOUT Dre and 50 Cent.. And i'm speaking of Eve, Busta, Banks, Yayo, and soon to be Young Buck.
Didn't Dre say himself
"Then I got these fake-ass niggaz I first drew with
Claimin that they non-violent, talkin like they *voice sample*
Spit venom in interviews, speakin on reunions
Move units, then talk shit and we can do this
Until then - I ain't even speakin your name"
You dont need no source to know that. Couple examples; we all know Dre and 50 were pissed at Game for appearing in that "Certified Gangsta" vid. They wanted Games first apperance to be the How We Do vid, but he didnt do what he was told. Lets talk about him dissing Jay-z, with whom Dre has a great relationship. Lets talk about him dissing Xzibit, for no reason, who is also close to Dre. Lets talk about him dissing 50 on that Soldier track (Game said it himself), or that Dreams joint. Lets talk about how R-Tistic said that Game was planning the beef since summer 2004. Lets talk about how he dissed Eminem for that 2Pac album. Lets talk about how he dissed Bishop 3 months after he got dropped. So when Dre had to decide who to drop, it was a no-brainer, bussiness and personality wise. Not to mention that Em and 50 are like brothers and 50 gets along great with the whole Shady family.
Now Im gonna tell you why Game sold 800.000. Hype. He was all about hype. "Hows he gonna do without Dre and 50 bla bla bla". Game took advantage of that. Dude was on EVERY magazine, on XXL and Source even 2,3 times, radio, tv, interviews.... Everybody wanted to see how he'll turn out. Thats why he was at 700.000 after a month, then it all completley slowed down.
Getting dropped from GUnit/ Aftermath was the best thing that could happen to him. If he stayed there Im positive, he'd do Busta numbers.
Let's talk about someone that studies every step & every rumor of every Interscope artist.
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I still cant understand people who are saying Game is off Aftermath because of 50. It was a part of why he got dropped but not the whole reason. Its obvious his character is strange, not trust worthy and dissing Bishop and Eminem (about that 2Pac thing) wasnt the smartest idea from Game either.
Do you have a source from someone from the inside saying that was the reason why Game was dropped? As much as i read and watch hip hop news, i never ever ever read or heard any interview of someone saying "Game got dropped from Aftermath because his character is strange". And unless you have some secret Dre interview/conversation that you're not sharing, he hasn't publically commented on his relationship with Game and why he isn't on Aftermath..
Maybe you might think Game's personality is strange, but you shouldn't impose your opinions as Aftermath/Interscope's opinions.
Somebody said something about poor choices of singles. One Blood was a great choice for a street single, Lets Ride was weak but lets be real here, Game had no hit material. other than Kanye joint, which flopped anyways.
People aint stupid, they saw that Game isnt the most original rapper out there. Like he said it himeslf, the name Game is because he stuided the game, is several rappers rolled in one. Hes just not unique. Sometimes he sounds like 50, sometimes like Dre, sometimes like Pharrell. Hes not bad at all, hes just aint nothing special. You could saw based on his sales, it was mostly about hype. He had solid first 2,3 weeks, then it all slowed down.
Your point makes me wonder why they still work with Busta Rhymes. The man got mad character, he has talent yet nobody is really checking for him. He only went gold based from the extra push in marketing. Game on the other hand, has talent (even 50 said he is a good rapper, just doesn't know how to make songs), can self market and can push units.. He has sold 900,000 units in 4 months without Dre or 50's help. Other than Dre, 50 and Em, there is no other rapper on Aftermath/Shady/G-Unit that can sell 900,000 records in 4 months WITH or WITHOUT Dre and 50 Cent.. And i'm speaking of Eve, Busta, Banks, Yayo, and soon to be Young Buck.
Didn't Dre say himself
"Then I got these fake-ass niggaz I first drew with
Claimin that they non-violent, talkin like they *voice sample*
Spit venom in interviews, speakin on reunions
Move units, then talk shit and we can do this
Until then - I ain't even speakin your name"
You dont need no source to know that. Couple examples; we all know Dre and 50 were pissed at Game for appearing in that "Certified Gangsta" vid. They wanted Games first apperance to be the How We Do vid, but he didnt do what he was told. Lets talk about him dissing Jay-z, with whom Dre has a great relationship. Lets talk about him dissing Xzibit, for no reason, who is also close to Dre. Lets talk about him dissing 50 on that Soldier track (Game said it himself), or that Dreams joint. Lets talk about how R-Tistic said that Game was planning the beef since summer 2004. Lets talk about how he dissed Eminem for that 2Pac album. Lets talk about how he dissed Bishop 3 months after he got dropped. So when Dre had to decide who to drop, it was a no-brainer, bussiness and personality wise. Not to mention that Em and 50 are like brothers and 50 gets along great with the whole Shady family.
Now Im gonna tell you why Game sold 800.000. Hype. He was all about hype. "Hows he gonna do without Dre and 50 bla bla bla". Game took advantage of that. Dude was on EVERY magazine, on XXL and Source even 2,3 times, radio, tv, interviews.... Everybody wanted to see how he'll turn out. Thats why he was at 700.000 after a month, then it all completley slowed down.
Getting dropped from GUnit/ Aftermath was the best thing that could happen to him. If he stayed there Im positive, he'd do Busta numbers.
Lets talk about getting a source for half of the things you said.
50 has had problems with Jay-Z as well. He also has problems with Nas.. Both are friends with Dre. So that just nulls your whole point there.
LOL. Would it kill your point to 'point out' that some of those dissess/beefs were actually done with Dre's mixing/producing?
Hype = Marketing. I'm not going to teach your marketing 101 right now, so you'll just have to believe me. You would be lying to yourself if you didn't agree Eminem used the same 'anticipated beef' hype on his sophmore album "MM LP" as The Game did with DA. You would be lying to yourself if you didn't agree Dr Dre used the same 'anticipated beef' hype on The Chronic. I can go on. Regardless of how you try to spin the fact, 900,000 records sold (i round up since he is only short by 20,000.. thats what they taught in first grade) in 4 months is better than any other artists on Aftermath.
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Everything I said its true, why would I make stuff up ?
50 and Jay are cool. Theyre doing bussiness otgehter, Jay is on 50s new album. 50 never said "fuck Jay-Z)
Of course everybody hypes themselves up one or another way. I never said others didnt. With Game it was just more notecible, since all his singles pretty much flopped, yet he managed to get to 900.000. Which means hype had basically everything to dow with it.
Regardless of how you try to spin the fact, 900,000 records sold (i round up since he is only short by 20,000.. thats what they taught in first grade) in 4 months is better than any other artists on Aftermath
Hmm, what about Eminem and 50 both going 5x plat the last time ? Or Dre who will surely go mulitplat with Detox. The only one that sold less so far is Busta, but hes a veteran, it was his 8th album, not to mention being pushed back for 6 months. If Busta didnt get pushed back, he'd outsell Game easily because he had plenty of single material.
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Everything I said its true, why would I make stuff up ?
50 and Jay are cool. Theyre doing bussiness otgehter, Jay is on 50s new album. 50 never said "fuck Jay-Z)
Of course everybody hypes themselves up one or another way. I never said others didnt. With Game it was just more notecible, since all his singles pretty much flopped, yet he managed to get to 900.000. Which means hype had basically everything to dow with it.
Regardless of how you try to spin the fact, 900,000 records sold (i round up since he is only short by 20,000.. thats what they taught in first grade) in 4 months is better than any other artists on Aftermath
Hmm, what about Eminem and 50 both going 5x plat the last time ? Or Dre who will surely go mulitplat with Detox. The only one that sold less so far is Busta, but hes a veteran, it was his 8th album, not to mention being pushed back for 6 months. If Busta didnt get pushed back, he'd outsell Game easily because he had plenty of single material.
50 did diss Jay Z back in the day. 50 even said that if Jay had not repsonded to his slick talk about him, he would not know where he would be in the game. He said it in a 106 & Park interview with Jay Z when they were on tour. Alot of slick talk but Jay basically put him in his place with that I am about a dollar what is 50 cent line. That is sqaushed now for the most part.
You are right about Game's numbers. For all that shit talking and dissing he did, to only be around 900,000 is below expectations.
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The only people that really know why Game is off G-Unit/Aftermath is 50 and Dre. Everything from everyone else is speculation.
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I still cant understand people who are saying Game is off Aftermath because of 50. It was a part of why he got dropped but not the whole reason. Its obvious his character is strange, not trust worthy and dissing Bishop and Eminem (about that 2Pac thing) wasnt the smartest idea from Game either.
Do you have a source from someone from the inside saying that was the reason why Game was dropped? As much as i read and watch hip hop news, i never ever ever read or heard any interview of someone saying "Game got dropped from Aftermath because his character is strange". And unless you have some secret Dre interview/conversation that you're not sharing, he hasn't publically commented on his relationship with Game and why he isn't on Aftermath..
Maybe you might think Game's personality is strange, but you shouldn't impose your opinions as Aftermath/Interscope's opinions.
Somebody said something about poor choices of singles. One Blood was a great choice for a street single, Lets Ride was weak but lets be real here, Game had no hit material. other than Kanye joint, which flopped anyways.
People aint stupid, they saw that Game isnt the most original rapper out there. Like he said it himeslf, the name Game is because he stuided the game, is several rappers rolled in one. Hes just not unique. Sometimes he sounds like 50, sometimes like Dre, sometimes like Pharrell. Hes not bad at all, hes just aint nothing special. You could saw based on his sales, it was mostly about hype. He had solid first 2,3 weeks, then it all slowed down.
Your point makes me wonder why they still work with Busta Rhymes. The man got mad character, he has talent yet nobody is really checking for him. He only went gold based from the extra push in marketing. Game on the other hand, has talent (even 50 said he is a good rapper, just doesn't know how to make songs), can self market and can push units.. He has sold 900,000 units in 4 months without Dre or 50's help. Other than Dre, 50 and Em, there is no other rapper on Aftermath/Shady/G-Unit that can sell 900,000 records in 4 months WITH or WITHOUT Dre and 50 Cent.. And i'm speaking of Eve, Busta, Banks, Yayo, and soon to be Young Buck.
Didn't Dre say himself
"Then I got these fake-ass niggaz I first drew with
Claimin that they non-violent, talkin like they *voice sample*
Spit venom in interviews, speakin on reunions
Move units, then talk shit and we can do this
Until then - I ain't even speakin your name"
You dont need no source to know that. Couple examples; we all know Dre and 50 were pissed at Game for appearing in that "Certified Gangsta" vid. They wanted Games first apperance to be the How We Do vid, but he didnt do what he was told. Lets talk about him dissing Jay-z, with whom Dre has a great relationship. Lets talk about him dissing Xzibit, for no reason, who is also close to Dre. Lets talk about him dissing 50 on that Soldier track (Game said it himself), or that Dreams joint. Lets talk about how R-Tistic said that Game was planning the beef since summer 2004. Lets talk about how he dissed Eminem for that 2Pac album. Lets talk about how he dissed Bishop 3 months after he got dropped. So when Dre had to decide who to drop, it was a no-brainer, bussiness and personality wise. Not to mention that Em and 50 are like brothers and 50 gets along great with the whole Shady family.
Now Im gonna tell you why Game sold 800.000. Hype. He was all about hype. "Hows he gonna do without Dre and 50 bla bla bla". Game took advantage of that. Dude was on EVERY magazine, on XXL and Source even 2,3 times, radio, tv, interviews.... Everybody wanted to see how he'll turn out. Thats why he was at 700.000 after a month, then it all completley slowed down.
Getting dropped from GUnit/ Aftermath was the best thing that could happen to him. If he stayed there Im positive, he'd do Busta numbers.
Okay, I got questions based on what TTK just said:
a)Who's vid was certified gangsta?
b)He dissed Jay with the Maybach line or was there a real diss? Cause he's said repeatedly, the Maybach line ain't at Jay (though that's dubious, it is his stance)
b)Dissed Xzibit? You referring to "You gonna do me like Xzibit and cut half o' my face" line or another?
c)Dissed 50 on soldier track...what soldier track?
d)What Dreams joint? I'm assuming one of Game's many remixes of his own songs where he disses G Unit?Or the Vivica line from the version in Documentary?
e)Dissed Eminem for the 2pac album? What did Game say? was this in an interview or a song? what was the context/what was he dissing for?
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Furthermore, Game sold 800,000 units because he has love in the streets. He will go plat cause cats that was broke when the record dropped will cop it when they can. I'm in LA, in LBC, in Rialto, in San Bernardino,in Fontana, in Colton, Riverside, shit a grip of the IE.... hang with alot of artists, stoners, minorities, etc. I see, meet alot of cats. from your sketchy neighbor, to seeing people throughout cities just rolling along bumping...and the streets have love for Game, and every street ass cat I meet is like "50 is destroyed in the streets, Game will outlast him cause while 50 will go multi plat a few times. In 5 years he'll be done and Game will still be able to do 400-600,000 whenever depending on how hard he comes with it, just off his street following." For every 3 people I see with G Unit clothing (one of which actually bought a 50 record and the other two downloaded 'wanksta' and rock the gear) I see a cat with a G Unot shirt that much more likely bought Game's albums than the G unit sporters bought some G unit records. Game has mad street credibility , most people that I have met outside the forum do not think he is fake, that he was a stripper etc.
People bought this shit partly because of beef, because of controversy, image, the hype yeah...but you know the main reason? Cause his first record was banging, and it's what the west coast had been missing. and he did the smartest thing he could do with the second record: givin' the people more of what they wanted the best he could.
anyone that was curious just cause the hype coulda downloaded it, like my homey that bought the Hurricanes that didn't even wanna go to the Game's concert.
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game sold most of his records because his former affiliation with Aftermath. and he says Dre's so many times, a person new listening to that album would actually think Dre has somethig to do with the record. if he would only rap the way he does on his mixtapes...
and yes, Game did not have a track that was well suit for a single that had a mainstream appeal other than that One Blood which was really on some hyphy shit if you trip on it.
game floped. million in one week? nigga might not even sell that much in total.
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Okay, I got questions based on what TTK just said:
a)Who's vid was certified gangsta?
b)He dissed Jay with the Maybach line or was there a real diss? Cause he's said repeatedly, the Maybach line ain't at Jay (though that's dubious, it is his stance)
b)Dissed Xzibit? You referring to "You gonna do me like Xzibit and cut half o' my face" line or another?
c)Dissed 50 on soldier track...what soldier track?
d)What Dreams joint? I'm assuming one of Game's many remixes of his own songs where he disses G Unit?Or the Vivica line from the version in Documentary?
e)Dissed Eminem for the 2pac album? What did Game say? was this in an interview or a song? what was the context/what was he dissing for?
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you should write the questions for a hip hop trivia/monopoly type of shit.
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Okay, I got questions based on what TTK just said:
a)Who's vid was certified gangsta?
b)He dissed Jay with the Maybach line or was there a real diss? Cause he's said repeatedly, the Maybach line ain't at Jay (though that's dubious, it is his stance)
b)Dissed Xzibit? You referring to "You gonna do me like Xzibit and cut half o' my face" line or another?
c)Dissed 50 on soldier track...what soldier track?
d)What Dreams joint? I'm assuming one of Game's many remixes of his own songs where he disses G Unit?Or the Vivica line from the version in Documentary?
e)Dissed Eminem for the 2pac album? What did Game say? was this in an interview or a song? what was the context/what was he dissing for?
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you should write the questions for a hip hop trivia/monopoly type of shit.
lol you should answer my questions.
+1
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^you asked like 4 questions in one letter. (example letter e)
:D
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^you asked like 4 questions in one letter. (example letter e)
:D
all part of the same query
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Everything I said its true, why would I make stuff up ?
50 and Jay are cool. Theyre doing bussiness otgehter, Jay is on 50s new album. 50 never said "fuck Jay-Z)
Of course everybody hypes themselves up one or another way. I never said others didnt. With Game it was just more notecible, since all his singles pretty much flopped, yet he managed to get to 900.000. Which means hype had basically everything to dow with it.
Regardless of how you try to spin the fact, 900,000 records sold (i round up since he is only short by 20,000.. thats what they taught in first grade) in 4 months is better than any other artists on Aftermath
Hmm, what about Eminem and 50 both going 5x plat the last time ? Or Dre who will surely go mulitplat with Detox. The only one that sold less so far is Busta, but hes a veteran, it was his 8th album, not to mention being pushed back for 6 months. If Busta didnt get pushed back, he'd outsell Game easily because he had plenty of single material.
Because you don't have any facts behind anything you say. That's why it's easier to allege that you make shit up.
1. The Game didn't just randomly diss Xzibit. If you remember, Xzibit was starting to turn into a 'crip' and started working with Dre.. Then Suge punked him about his crip affilations and Xzibit stopped rapping about crippin and didn't work with Dre as much.. This is what Game is referring to when he disses Xzibit. AND THIS IS WHAT SNOOP is REFERRING TO IN THE SONG "PIMP'D SLAP"... So no.. The Game didn't just randomly diss Xzibit, a great friend of Dr Dre (as you've indicated).. The fact is that Xzibit hasn't done a track with Dre since 2002.
2. Who's decision was it to push back Busta Rhymes? There's two ways to spin an album that is pushed back. a) the executives felt that the timing of the album wouldn't sell right or b)there's additional material they want to add that will make the album do better... Unfortunately, none of those reasons worked for Busta. Stop making it seem like there was some kind of DMV- like bureacracy that made his album get pushed back. Dre pushed it back because he knew the shit would flop. But hey, he's still working with him for the next album.
3. You've said that Jay-Z and 50 Cent didn't have problems. But the dude's post showed you that they did. When Jay-Z was to appear the "I declare War" concert people spectulated that he was going to declare war on Game or 50. 50 claims to have written 3 of The Game's songs which includes "Westside Story" and the famous maybach line... lol.. Also, 50 recently joked about Jay-Z's first week sales saying that the marketing budget was really high for the numbers he got.
i can go on and on..
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fuck a 100 mil... for that mufucka
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Everything I said its true, why would I make stuff up ?
50 and Jay are cool. Theyre doing bussiness otgehter, Jay is on 50s new album. 50 never said "fuck Jay-Z)
Of course everybody hypes themselves up one or another way. I never said others didnt. With Game it was just more notecible, since all his singles pretty much flopped, yet he managed to get to 900.000. Which means hype had basically everything to dow with it.
Regardless of how you try to spin the fact, 900,000 records sold (i round up since he is only short by 20,000.. thats what they taught in first grade) in 4 months is better than any other artists on Aftermath
Hmm, what about Eminem and 50 both going 5x plat the last time ? Or Dre who will surely go mulitplat with Detox. The only one that sold less so far is Busta, but hes a veteran, it was his 8th album, not to mention being pushed back for 6 months. If Busta didnt get pushed back, he'd outsell Game easily because he had plenty of single material.
Because you don't have any facts behind anything you say. That's why it's easier to allege that you make shit up.
1. The Game didn't just randomly diss Xzibit. If you remember, Xzibit was starting to turn into a 'crip' and started working with Dre.. Then Suge punked him about his crip affilations and Xzibit stopped rapping about crippin and didn't work with Dre as much.. This is what Game is referring to when he disses Xzibit. AND THIS IS WHAT SNOOP is REFERRING TO IN THE SONG "PIMP'D SLAP"... So no.. The Game didn't just randomly diss Xzibit, a great friend of Dr Dre (as you've indicated).. The fact is that Xzibit hasn't done a track with Dre since 2002.
2. Who's decision was it to push back Busta Rhymes? There's two ways to spin an album that is pushed back. a) the executives felt that the timing of the album wouldn't sell right or b)there's additional material they want to add that will make the album do better... Unfortunately, none of those reasons worked for Busta. Stop making it seem like there was some kind of DMV- like bureacracy that made his album get pushed back. Dre pushed it back because he knew the shit would flop. But hey, he's still working with him for the next album.
3. You've said that Jay-Z and 50 Cent didn't have problems. But the dude's post showed you that they did. When Jay-Z was to appear the "I declare War" concert people spectulated that he was going to declare war on Game or 50. 50 claims to have written 3 of The Game's songs which includes "Westside Story" and the famous maybach line... lol.. Also, 50 recently joked about Jay-Z's first week sales saying that the marketing budget was really high for the numbers he got.
i can go on and on..
did you/do you go to csuf? I go to cal state san bernardino.
anyway, where did Game diss x? that line in documentary or is there one that i missed?
also, i doubt 50 wrote the verses to westside story even if he did structure the song/write the hook
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Let'em go. Fuck 50
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Everything I said its true, why would I make stuff up ?
50 and Jay are cool. Theyre doing bussiness otgehter, Jay is on 50s new album. 50 never said "fuck Jay-Z)
Of course everybody hypes themselves up one or another way. I never said others didnt. With Game it was just more notecible, since all his singles pretty much flopped, yet he managed to get to 900.000. Which means hype had basically everything to dow with it.
Regardless of how you try to spin the fact, 900,000 records sold (i round up since he is only short by 20,000.. thats what they taught in first grade) in 4 months is better than any other artists on Aftermath
Hmm, what about Eminem and 50 both going 5x plat the last time ? Or Dre who will surely go mulitplat with Detox. The only one that sold less so far is Busta, but hes a veteran, it was his 8th album, not to mention being pushed back for 6 months. If Busta didnt get pushed back, he'd outsell Game easily because he had plenty of single material.
Because you don't have any facts behind anything you say. That's why it's easier to allege that you make shit up.
1. The Game didn't just randomly diss Xzibit. If you remember, Xzibit was starting to turn into a 'crip' and started working with Dre.. Then Suge punked him about his crip affilations and Xzibit stopped rapping about crippin and didn't work with Dre as much.. This is what Game is referring to when he disses Xzibit. AND THIS IS WHAT SNOOP is REFERRING TO IN THE SONG "PIMP'D SLAP"... So no.. The Game didn't just randomly diss Xzibit, a great friend of Dr Dre (as you've indicated).. The fact is that Xzibit hasn't done a track with Dre since 2002.
2. Who's decision was it to push back Busta Rhymes? There's two ways to spin an album that is pushed back. a) the executives felt that the timing of the album wouldn't sell right or b)there's additional material they want to add that will make the album do better... Unfortunately, none of those reasons worked for Busta. Stop making it seem like there was some kind of DMV- like bureacracy that made his album get pushed back. Dre pushed it back because he knew the shit would flop. But hey, he's still working with him for the next album.
3. You've said that Jay-Z and 50 Cent didn't have problems. But the dude's post showed you that they did. When Jay-Z was to appear the "I declare War" concert people spectulated that he was going to declare war on Game or 50. 50 claims to have written 3 of The Game's songs which includes "Westside Story" and the famous maybach line... lol.. Also, 50 recently joked about Jay-Z's first week sales saying that the marketing budget was really high for the numbers he got.
i can go on and on..
did you/do you go to csuf? I go to cal state san bernardino.
anyway, where did Game diss x? that line in documentary or is there one that i missed?
also, i doubt 50 wrote the verses to westside story even if he did structure the song/write the hook
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yea i graduated from there in 2003. alot of my friends went to cssb. I grew up in alta loma/rancho cucamonga, then i moved to orange county.. so i naturally went to csuf. but alot of the people i grew up with went to cssb.
the only diss i know of is the line in documentary.. but i'm sure he's dissed him in mixtapes..
true, 50 probably didn't write the verses themselves, but 50 and Dre both have the creative control of the track and album.. If Dre makes people repeat bars over 100 times, and made snoop re-write "That's That"... then i'm sure they would of made Game re-write that verse if they disagreed with it.
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Everything I said its true, why would I make stuff up ?
50 and Jay are cool. Theyre doing bussiness otgehter, Jay is on 50s new album. 50 never said "fuck Jay-Z)
Of course everybody hypes themselves up one or another way. I never said others didnt. With Game it was just more notecible, since all his singles pretty much flopped, yet he managed to get to 900.000. Which means hype had basically everything to dow with it.
Regardless of how you try to spin the fact, 900,000 records sold (i round up since he is only short by 20,000.. thats what they taught in first grade) in 4 months is better than any other artists on Aftermath
Hmm, what about Eminem and 50 both going 5x plat the last time ? Or Dre who will surely go mulitplat with Detox. The only one that sold less so far is Busta, but hes a veteran, it was his 8th album, not to mention being pushed back for 6 months. If Busta didnt get pushed back, he'd outsell Game easily because he had plenty of single material.
Because you don't have any facts behind anything you say. That's why it's easier to allege that you make shit up.
1. The Game didn't just randomly diss Xzibit. If you remember, Xzibit was starting to turn into a 'crip' and started working with Dre.. Then Suge punked him about his crip affilations and Xzibit stopped rapping about crippin and didn't work with Dre as much.. This is what Game is referring to when he disses Xzibit. AND THIS IS WHAT SNOOP is REFERRING TO IN THE SONG "PIMP'D SLAP"... So no.. The Game didn't just randomly diss Xzibit, a great friend of Dr Dre (as you've indicated).. The fact is that Xzibit hasn't done a track with Dre since 2002.
2. Who's decision was it to push back Busta Rhymes? There's two ways to spin an album that is pushed back. a) the executives felt that the timing of the album wouldn't sell right or b)there's additional material they want to add that will make the album do better... Unfortunately, none of those reasons worked for Busta. Stop making it seem like there was some kind of DMV- like bureacracy that made his album get pushed back. Dre pushed it back because he knew the shit would flop. But hey, he's still working with him for the next album.
3. You've said that Jay-Z and 50 Cent didn't have problems. But the dude's post showed you that they did. When Jay-Z was to appear the "I declare War" concert people spectulated that he was going to declare war on Game or 50. 50 claims to have written 3 of The Game's songs which includes "Westside Story" and the famous maybach line... lol.. Also, 50 recently joked about Jay-Z's first week sales saying that the marketing budget was really high for the numbers he got.
i can go on and on..
did you/do you go to csuf? I go to cal state san bernardino.
anyway, where did Game diss x? that line in documentary or is there one that i missed?
also, i doubt 50 wrote the verses to westside story even if he did structure the song/write the hook
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yea i graduated from there in 2003. alot of my friends went to cssb. I grew up in alta loma/rancho cucamonga, then i moved to orange county.. so i naturally went to csuf. but alot of the people i grew up with went to cssb.
the only diss i know of is the line in documentary.. but i'm sure he's dissed him in mixtapes..
true, 50 probably didn't write the verses themselves, but 50 and Dre both have the creative control of the track and album.. If Dre makes people repeat bars over 100 times, and made snoop re-write "That's That"... then i'm sure they would of made Game re-write that verse if they disagreed with it.
i didn't think the line 'you gonna do me like xzibit and cut half of my face?' was a diss
that's crazy, I live in fontana on the border of fontana/rancho cucamonga. but i'm from the SB/rialto area.
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I still cant understand people who are saying Game is off Aftermath because of 50. It was a part of why he got dropped but not the whole reason. Its obvious his character is strange, not trust worthy and dissing Bishop and Eminem (about that 2Pac thing) wasnt the smartest idea from Game either.
Do you have a source from someone from the inside saying that was the reason why Game was dropped? As much as i read and watch hip hop news, i never ever ever read or heard any interview of someone saying "Game got dropped from Aftermath because his character is strange". And unless you have some secret Dre interview/conversation that you're not sharing, he hasn't publically commented on his relationship with Game and why he isn't on Aftermath..
Maybe you might think Game's personality is strange, but you shouldn't impose your opinions as Aftermath/Interscope's opinions.
Somebody said something about poor choices of singles. One Blood was a great choice for a street single, Lets Ride was weak but lets be real here, Game had no hit material. other than Kanye joint, which flopped anyways.
People aint stupid, they saw that Game isnt the most original rapper out there. Like he said it himeslf, the name Game is because he stuided the game, is several rappers rolled in one. Hes just not unique. Sometimes he sounds like 50, sometimes like Dre, sometimes like Pharrell. Hes not bad at all, hes just aint nothing special. You could saw based on his sales, it was mostly about hype. He had solid first 2,3 weeks, then it all slowed down.
Your point makes me wonder why they still work with Busta Rhymes. The man got mad character, he has talent yet nobody is really checking for him. He only went gold based from the extra push in marketing. Game on the other hand, has talent (even 50 said he is a good rapper, just doesn't know how to make songs), can self market and can push units.. He has sold 900,000 units in 4 months without Dre or 50's help. Other than Dre, 50 and Em, there is no other rapper on Aftermath/Shady/G-Unit that can sell 900,000 records in 4 months WITH or WITHOUT Dre and 50 Cent.. And i'm speaking of Eve, Busta, Banks, Yayo, and soon to be Young Buck.
Didn't Dre say himself
"Then I got these fake-ass niggaz I first drew with
Claimin that they non-violent, talkin like they *voice sample*
Spit venom in interviews, speakin on reunions
Move units, then talk shit and we can do this
Until then - I ain't even speakin your name"
You dont need no source to know that. Couple examples; we all know Dre and 50 were pissed at Game for appearing in that "Certified Gangsta" vid. They wanted Games first apperance to be the How We Do vid, but he didnt do what he was told. Lets talk about him dissing Jay-z, with whom Dre has a great relationship. Lets talk about him dissing Xzibit, for no reason, who is also close to Dre. Lets talk about him dissing 50 on that Soldier track (Game said it himself), or that Dreams joint. Lets talk about how R-Tistic said that Game was planning the beef since summer 2004. Lets talk about how he dissed Eminem for that 2Pac album. Lets talk about how he dissed Bishop 3 months after he got dropped. So when Dre had to decide who to drop, it was a no-brainer, bussiness and personality wise. Not to mention that Em and 50 are like brothers and 50 gets along great with the whole Shady family.
Now Im gonna tell you why Game sold 800.000. Hype. He was all about hype. "Hows he gonna do without Dre and 50 bla bla bla". Game took advantage of that. Dude was on EVERY magazine, on XXL and Source even 2,3 times, radio, tv, interviews.... Everybody wanted to see how he'll turn out. Thats why he was at 700.000 after a month, then it all completley slowed down.
Getting dropped from GUnit/ Aftermath was the best thing that could happen to him. If he stayed there Im positive, he'd do Busta numbers.
Okay, I got questions based on what TTK just said:
a)Who's vid was certified gangsta?
b)He dissed Jay with the Maybach line or was there a real diss? Cause he's said repeatedly, the Maybach line ain't at Jay (though that's dubious, it is his stance)
b)Dissed Xzibit? You referring to "You gonna do me like Xzibit and cut half o' my face" line or another?
c)Dissed 50 on soldier track...what soldier track?
d)What Dreams joint? I'm assuming one of Game's many remixes of his own songs where he disses G Unit?Or the Vivica line from the version in Documentary?
e)Dissed Eminem for the 2pac album? What did Game say? was this in an interview or a song? what was the context/what was he dissing for?
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Furthermore, Game sold 800,000 units because he has love in the streets. He will go plat cause cats that was broke when the record dropped will cop it when they can. I'm in LA, in LBC, in Rialto, in San Bernardino,in Fontana, in Colton, Riverside, shit a grip of the IE.... hang with alot of artists, stoners, minorities, and I sell weed. I see, meet alot of cats. from selling a sack to your sketchy neighbor, to seeing people throughout cities just rolling along bumping...and the streets have love for Game, and every street ass cat I meet is like "50 is destroyed in the streets, Game will outlast him cause while 50 will go multi plat a few times. In 5 years he'll be done and Game will still be able to do 400-600,000 whenever depending on how hard he comes with it, just off his street following." For every 3 people I see with G Unit clothing (one of which actually bought a 50 record and the other two downloaded 'wanksta' and rock the gear) I see a cat with a G Unot shirt that much more likely bought Game's albums than the G unit sporters bought some G unit records. Game has mad street credibility , most people that I have met outside the forum do not think he is fake, that he was a stripper etc.
People bought this shit partly because of beef, because of controversy, image, the hype yeah...but you know the main reason? Cause his first record was banging, and it's what the west coast had been missing. and he did the smartest thing he could do with the second record: givin' the people more of what they wanted the best he could.
anyone that was curious just cause the hype coulda downloaded it, like my homey that bought the Hurricanes that didn't even wanna go to the Game's concert.
-T
a) A vid by Dipset feat. Game
b) He said "fuck Jay-z" on a concert. 50 then made him end the beef.
c) He was on the radio and the question was "whos the wackest rapper you have worked with" and he said "Xzibit". Which is funny because they never worked together before DA track.
d) Soldier track, produced by Mel Man. He even mentions the Soldier track on Doc, something in the words of "If I could go back, I'd rewrite Soldier, so I wouldnt have to look over my shoulder"
e) Well, that was more of a jab but he said "anything can happen if 50 fucked Vivica". Ok lets say we ingore this, still with 50 being a huge ego mainac...
f) In an interview he was asked about how he felt about Loyal To The Game. He said he didnt like how people are treating 2Pacs legacy and said fuck em. Then the interview was like "but Eminem did that" and he replyed with "If the shoe fits..."
About "street cred" its normal that the underdogs, people who aint selling 5 mill and appear on every tv show, is gonna get more love from the "street thugs". Have no doubt though, Game would switch a couple of this gangbangers for 4 more mill fans in a sec.
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Everything I said its true, why would I make stuff up ?
50 and Jay are cool. Theyre doing bussiness otgehter, Jay is on 50s new album. 50 never said "fuck Jay-Z)
Of course everybody hypes themselves up one or another way. I never said others didnt. With Game it was just more notecible, since all his singles pretty much flopped, yet he managed to get to 900.000. Which means hype had basically everything to dow with it.
Regardless of how you try to spin the fact, 900,000 records sold (i round up since he is only short by 20,000.. thats what they taught in first grade) in 4 months is better than any other artists on Aftermath
Hmm, what about Eminem and 50 both going 5x plat the last time ? Or Dre who will surely go mulitplat with Detox. The only one that sold less so far is Busta, but hes a veteran, it was his 8th album, not to mention being pushed back for 6 months. If Busta didnt get pushed back, he'd outsell Game easily because he had plenty of single material.
Because you don't have any facts behind anything you say. That's why it's easier to allege that you make shit up.
1. The Game didn't just randomly diss Xzibit. If you remember, Xzibit was starting to turn into a 'crip' and started working with Dre.. Then Suge punked him about his crip affilations and Xzibit stopped rapping about crippin and didn't work with Dre as much.. This is what Game is referring to when he disses Xzibit. AND THIS IS WHAT SNOOP is REFERRING TO IN THE SONG "PIMP'D SLAP"... So no.. The Game didn't just randomly diss Xzibit, a great friend of Dr Dre (as you've indicated).. The fact is that Xzibit hasn't done a track with Dre since 2002.
2. Who's decision was it to push back Busta Rhymes? There's two ways to spin an album that is pushed back. a) the executives felt that the timing of the album wouldn't sell right or b)there's additional material they want to add that will make the album do better... Unfortunately, none of those reasons worked for Busta. Stop making it seem like there was some kind of DMV- like bureacracy that made his album get pushed back. Dre pushed it back because he knew the shit would flop. But hey, he's still working with him for the next album.
3. You've said that Jay-Z and 50 Cent didn't have problems. But the dude's post showed you that they did. When Jay-Z was to appear the "I declare War" concert people spectulated that he was going to declare war on Game or 50. 50 claims to have written 3 of The Game's songs which includes "Westside Story" and the famous maybach line... lol.. Also, 50 recently joked about Jay-Z's first week sales saying that the marketing budget was really high for the numbers he got.
i can go on and on..
1.I explained the Xzibit part one post above
2. Lets say neither of us know why Busta got pushed back but if he was released in January, February when Touch It and Touch It remix were huge he would have gone plat easily.
3. But Jay nad 50 beefed way back in 99,00. Yeah 50 said Jay didnt do great numbers, but was also having a 10 min speach about how Jays album is dope and too good for todays standards. And Jay is on 50s new album
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Where was this soldier track released? a mixtape?
where can I hear Game saying 'fuck jay z' in a concert? is it youtubable/downloadable audio?
50 and dipset have been beefing THAT long? Damn.
that shit with him saying xzibit is whack...downloadable audio/youtube?
I'll believe the shit about Eminem, he's just speaking on tweakin' Pac's songs, probably wasn't really dissing Em.
and when I say street people, i don't mean thugs...I just mean the regular ass people of California. and that's alot of people. I see the hardest gangsters bumping Game. I see the softest bitches bumping Game. Stoners bump Game, and non stony african-americans I know bump Game....he has mad love in literally the streets. 50 gets alot of play at clubs and parties, but I rarely see him get play outside of that. and the club shit is always shifting...long after 50's not getting played in the club, people will still play Game in the streets, just like Cube, Mack 10 and that tree of cats...he's seen in that light from what I've observed.
-T
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game leaving aftermath/interscope was the worst thing that happened to him, not the best.....if he left gunit, fair enough, but having to jump off aftermath was a move backwards sales wise, do not even get it twisted for a minute, game would have sold more on aftermath than he has without them, he lost many groupies for that, he also gained fans but we all know whats cracking with that...
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oh and yeah, 50 aint serious, he just keeping interscope active to his situation...he wanna make them worried, no label will want to loose 50 for the amount of money he make.....
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oh and yeah, 50 aint serious, he just keeping interscope active to his situation...he wanna make them worried, no label will want to loose 50 for the amount of money he make.....
truth +1
-T
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Looks like he wasnt kidding:
Last night 50 called in to POW Radio. He talked about his album, beef, and more.
Before 50 called in, PR said he was at the studio with 50, he heard some of the album and its crack. He said no joke, its a problem, he said nobody should come out this summer.
OK, 50 called in, he said that the only thing hip hop has to look forward too is his album, Ems shit and Detox. He said he just did 2 tracks with Dre for Detox and its coming. He said that he was at Floyd Mayweathers training camp, and that Floyd is sharp as a knife, so bet big on him. He said that he has 2 albums coming out, the first on June 19th 2007, he said that it is not called BISD, he said BISD will come out Feb 4, 2008, and then his contract with Interscope is up, cause his 5th album is a greatest hits. He said he has a great relationship with Interscope but he wants 100 mill to stay. He said that his single is almost ready, they are mixing it and cleaning it up so it should be out soon. He also said that he has to have a security guard at the studio to keep anyone from stealing his shit, like Whoo Kid.
They talked about the Cam thing, he said that Cam said shit about him doing a video in his backyard and it wasnt his neighborhood. 50 said that his backyard is a nieghborhood, its 18 acres, he said he lost people back there and that people have to do what boy scouts do, leave a rope or some shit behind so they can find there way back. He said he did another video at his house in Cail. (I think he means another diss video) Whoo Kid asked so he will be putting out another video? 50 said he isnt sure, he said he is smart enuff to know not to bother with someone who isnt smart enuff to know when they lost. But he said he is having fun, he is haveing a good time with these fools. Whoo Kid said to 50 that he is really doing big things with these Youtube videos and shit. 50 said he has a deal with Youtube, thats why he is doing all these videos and that when people respond to him he is getting payed, then he yelled "getting payed" in a fucked up voice. PR started to talk about Cam and 50 said that they have to find a new topic, he said your beating a dead horse, he said your beating a horse that died of AIDS, that had everyone cracking the fuck up. He joked with Whoo Kid saying he wants his money and shit, and that he does see the hunger with Whoo Kid so he might take Rob E Rob or a new DJ on tour with him, just fucking around with Whoo Kid. They said Bucks album drops next week, its crazy.
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Buck cd is pretty cool i hope 50 shit is good or else you can say bye bye to that $100 million dollar contract.
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100 million isn't that much money for a 5 album deal for 50. If 50 Cent can sell a combined 10 million with those 5 albums, Interscope breaks even. If you don't think 50 can sell 2 mill per album, your underestimating him.
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o yeah by the way i was at club Jet a few weeks ago and 50 was their with Floyd Mayweather celebrating his 31st birthday and he does look sharp.
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Looks like he wasnt kidding:
Last night 50 called in to POW Radio. He talked about his album, beef, and more.
Before 50 called in, PR said he was at the studio with 50, he heard some of the album and its crack. He said no joke, its a problem, he said nobody should come out this summer.
OK, 50 called in, he said that the only thing hip hop has to look forward too is his album, Ems shit and Detox. He said he just did 2 tracks with Dre for Detox and its coming. He said that he was at Floyd Mayweathers training camp, and that Floyd is sharp as a knife, so bet big on him. He said that he has 2 albums coming out, the first on June 19th 2007, he said that it is not called BISD, he said BISD will come out Feb 4, 2008, and then his contract with Interscope is up, cause his 5th album is a greatest hits. He said he has a great relationship with Interscope but he wants 100 mill to stay. He said that his single is almost ready, they are mixing it and cleaning it up so it should be out soon. He also said that he has to have a security guard at the studio to keep anyone from stealing his shit, like Whoo Kid.
They talked about the Cam thing, he said that Cam said shit about him doing a video in his backyard and it wasnt his neighborhood. 50 said that his backyard is a nieghborhood, its 18 acres, he said he lost people back there and that people have to do what boy scouts do, leave a rope or some shit behind so they can find there way back. He said he did another video at his house in Cail. (I think he means another diss video) Whoo Kid asked so he will be putting out another video? 50 said he isnt sure, he said he is smart enuff to know not to bother with someone who isnt smart enuff to know when they lost. But he said he is having fun, he is haveing a good time with these fools. Whoo Kid said to 50 that he is really doing big things with these Youtube videos and shit. 50 said he has a deal with Youtube, thats why he is doing all these videos and that when people respond to him he is getting payed, then he yelled "getting payed" in a fucked up voice. PR started to talk about Cam and 50 said that they have to find a new topic, he said your beating a dead horse, he said your beating a horse that died of AIDS, that had everyone cracking the fuck up. He joked with Whoo Kid saying he wants his money and shit, and that he does see the hunger with Whoo Kid so he might take Rob E Rob or a new DJ on tour with him, just fucking around with Whoo Kid. They said Bucks album drops next week, its crazy.
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Hey Timbo, from reading this..it sounds like you were listening to the radio show, with a pen and paper..ready to take notes..
You seem to cover everyhting...
Am just kidding..no disrespect!! ;D
But thanks for the info..
Can't wait for 50's Album.. 8)
lol@youtube and Cam'ron... :D
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o yeah by the way i was at club Jet a few weeks ago and 50 was their with Floyd Mayweather celebrating his 31st birthday and he does look sharp.
who is floyd?
-T
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o yeah by the way i was at club Jet a few weeks ago and 50 was their with Floyd Mayweather celebrating his 31st birthday and he does look sharp.
who is floyd?
-T
seriously - if you can get on google - use it! > http://floydmayweather.net/
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100 million isn't that much money for a 5 album deal for 50. If 50 Cent can sell a combined 10 million with those 5 albums, Interscope breaks even. If you don't think 50 can sell 2 mill per album, your underestimating him.
Interscope recouping $10 an album?
The thing is tho, 50 can easily do 2mil+ an album at the moment and he'll probably do at least 3 or 4mil with his next one.
But I can't see him going double platinum for his 10th album, which will probably be released in 2015 at the earliest. Even Jay and Snoop are struggling to do that after 9-10 albums.
I reckon 50 will settle for something like $50-60million at the most.
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Looks like he wasnt kidding:
Last night 50 called in to POW Radio. He talked about his album, beef, and more.
Before 50 called in, PR said he was at the studio with 50, he heard some of the album and its crack. He said no joke, its a problem, he said nobody should come out this summer.
OK, 50 called in, he said that the only thing hip hop has to look forward too is his album, Ems shit and Detox. He said he just did 2 tracks with Dre for Detox and its coming. He said that he was at Floyd Mayweathers training camp, and that Floyd is sharp as a knife, so bet big on him. He said that he has 2 albums coming out, the first on June 19th 2007, he said that it is not called BISD, he said BISD will come out Feb 4, 2008, and then his contract with Interscope is up, cause his 5th album is a greatest hits. He said he has a great relationship with Interscope but he wants 100 mill to stay. He said that his single is almost ready, they are mixing it and cleaning it up so it should be out soon. He also said that he has to have a security guard at the studio to keep anyone from stealing his shit, like Whoo Kid.
They talked about the Cam thing, he said that Cam said shit about him doing a video in his backyard and it wasnt his neighborhood. 50 said that his backyard is a nieghborhood, its 18 acres, he said he lost people back there and that people have to do what boy scouts do, leave a rope or some shit behind so they can find there way back. He said he did another video at his house in Cail. (I think he means another diss video) Whoo Kid asked so he will be putting out another video? 50 said he isnt sure, he said he is smart enuff to know not to bother with someone who isnt smart enuff to know when they lost. But he said he is having fun, he is haveing a good time with these fools. Whoo Kid said to 50 that he is really doing big things with these Youtube videos and shit. 50 said he has a deal with Youtube, thats why he is doing all these videos and that when people respond to him he is getting payed, then he yelled "getting payed" in a fucked up voice. PR started to talk about Cam and 50 said that they have to find a new topic, he said your beating a dead horse, he said your beating a horse that died of AIDS, that had everyone cracking the fuck up. He joked with Whoo Kid saying he wants his money and shit, and that he does see the hunger with Whoo Kid so he might take Rob E Rob or a new DJ on tour with him, just fucking around with Whoo Kid. They said Bucks album drops next week, its crazy.
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Hey Timbo, from reading this..it sounds like you were listening to the radio show, with a pen and paper..ready to take notes..
You seem to cover everyhting...
Am just kidding..no disrespect!! ;D
But thanks for the info..
Can't wait for 50's Album.. 8)
lol@youtube and Cam'ron... :D
Lol, I didnt write this. Just copy pasted it from another forum ;)
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100 million isn't that much money for a 5 album deal for 50. If 50 Cent can sell a combined 10 million with those 5 albums, Interscope breaks even. If you don't think 50 can sell 2 mill per album, your underestimating him.
Interscope recouping $10 an album?
The thing is tho, 50 can easily do 2mil+ an album at the moment and he'll probably do at least 3 or 4mil with his next one.
But I can't see him going double platinum for his 10th album, which will probably be released in 2015 at the earliest. Even Jay and Snoop are struggling to do that after 9-10 albums.
I reckon 50 will settle for something like $50-60million at the most.
i dunno if 50 can do that on this current album..
no offense to anyone but jay z seems to be stuck at 1.3 million record sales, last week he sold only less than 2,000 more units than Game..He came out a week after The Game.. In my opinion, he had the best marketing budget, and the best hype an artist can get.. That will be a clear indication of what 50 Cent might be doing without the anticipated hype or drama..
I really don't see 50 Cent being worth the money because even if they got $10 bucks an album, they will have to spend 20 million on marketing him. Not to mention Aftermath/Interscope is a business... They aren't in it to break even..
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100 million isn't that much money for a 5 album deal for 50. If 50 Cent can sell a combined 10 million with those 5 albums, Interscope breaks even. If you don't think 50 can sell 2 mill per album, your underestimating him.
Interscope recouping $10 an album?
The thing is tho, 50 can easily do 2mil+ an album at the moment and he'll probably do at least 3 or 4mil with his next one.
But I can't see him going double platinum for his 10th album, which will probably be released in 2015 at the earliest. Even Jay and Snoop are struggling to do that after 9-10 albums.
I reckon 50 will settle for something like $50-60million at the most.
i dunno if 50 can do that on this current album..
no offense to anyone but jay z seems to be stuck at 1.3 million record sales, last week he sold only less than 2,000 more units than Game..He came out a week after The Game.. In my opinion, he had the best marketing budget, and the best hype an artist can get.. That will be a clear indication of what 50 Cent might be doing without the anticipated hype or drama..
I really don't see 50 Cent being worth the money because even if they got $10 bucks an album, they will have to spend 20 million on marketing him. Not to mention Aftermath/Interscope is a business... They aren't in it to break even..
true BUT 50 has more beef/street level or at least seemingly street level shit going on, will have at least as much dre production as Jay had AND some Eminem appearances and apparently Nas, Jay and some others too. I think 50 will move 5 to 6 hundred thousand more units than Jay...maybe even 7.
-T
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if 50 don't get the renewal he will try and sign with KOCH..lmao..
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if 50 don't get the renewal he will try and sign with KOCH..lmao..
Well if he can get $7 an album for the 10 million plus he is forecast to sell (::)) he might as well. Although he will have to spend his own chips on marketing etc.