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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on March 18, 2007, 12:11:24 PM
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Does anyone disagree?...And if so, why?
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I'm a bigger AI fan he's obviously a scorer & better at defense but I think Nash is a better player to build a team around.
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I'm a bigger AI fan he's obviously a scorer & better at defense but I think Nash is a better player to build a team around.
Definatly. He's a fisilatator, being a true point guard. AI is proved he is capable of sharing, but Nash is the master at PG. That being said, AI is faster, a better scorer, and plays better defense. I'd pick Nash to build my team around, even though I like AI better.
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A better player to build a team around? Nash is a second or third option, who would wanna build around him? I wouldn't even say the Phoenix Suns are built around him, and lord knows what that system has done for his career...
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No question A.I. is better. A lot of people discredit him because he's not a prototypical point guard, but the guy does put up 27 points and 7 assists a night.
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Funny thing is...before Nash's MVP, 99.8% of the population would automatically say Iverson without even questioning. Now, it's actually a reasonable debate.
Iverson is much more skilled...and can do every single thing, times ten, that Steve can do athletically. However, in the last few years, Nash and his style have been more effective, and it has worked perfect in that system. I trip everytime I hear people compare the Suns and Mavs, and how Dirk n Steve are the top two MVP candidates and all that...because people usually never mention that they were on the same team just four years ago, but both have seemed to do better without each other.
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lol is this a joke. of course Ai is better than Nash, duh, Jermaine Oneal > Steve Nash
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lol is this a joke. of course Ai is better than Nash, duh, Jermaine Oneal > Steve Nash
wtf does Jermaine Oneal gotta do with anything, and if nash was a lake his dick would be so far down elior throat its not even funny lol.
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lol is this a joke. of course Ai is better than Nash, duh, Jermaine Oneal > Steve Nash
wtf does Jermaine Oneal gotta do with anything, and if nash was a lake his dick would be so far down elior throat its not even funny lol.
I was just making a point, of course a player like AI is better than Nash when their are lesser players than AI like a JO or Chris Bosh that are still better than Nash, my point was a AI and Nash comparison is obsurd.
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here are just a few players that come to mind that are better than Nash,
Kobe
Jermaine
Pierce
Bosh
Iverson
Mcgrady
Amare
Melo
Duncan
KG
Wade
Lebron
and thats not it, Nash is barely a top 15 player if that LOL
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lol is this a joke. of course Ai is better than Nash, duh, Jermaine Oneal > Steve Nash
wtf does Jermaine Oneal gotta do with anything, and if nash was a lake his dick would be so far down elior throat its not even funny lol.
Stop being a hater. If Nash was a Laker, I'd say the same thing...he is an excellent offensive player, obviously not MVP worthy though. He would be a second option to Kobe, maybe even third...PeACe
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Allen Iverson is a loser. Look at how the Nuggets still won't own despite having the 2 leading scorers (before the trade). Pathetic.
Also look at how great Iggy became since Iverson left. All that nigga does is taking up shots, he might get assists but Nash is much, much better at giving a true boost to the entire team and getting the W than Iverson ever was. He can get his stats but he can't be arsed to get Ws like it ain't nothing.
He's obviously the better individual player but I wouldn't even think of building a team around his sorry ass.
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it would be a shame if AI wouldnīt win a championship in his career. itīs insane that a guy of his size has scored more then 20k in 10 years.
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it would be a shame if AI wouldnīt win a championship in his career. itīs insane that a guy of his size has scored more then 20k in 10 years.
He's not gonna win a Championship.
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Individual talents- A.I.
Team player- Nash, Whether you like Nash or not, he makes Phoenix a contender
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Allen Iverson is a loser. Look at how the Nuggets still won't own despite having the 2 leading scorers (before the trade). Pathetic.
Also look at how great Iggy became since Iverson left. All that nigga does is taking up shots, he might get assists but Nash is much, much better at giving a true boost to the entire team and getting the W than Iverson ever was. He can get his stats but he can't be arsed to get Ws like it ain't nothing.
He's obviously the better individual player but I wouldn't even think of building a team around his sorry ass.
Yea, that's why Iverson got to the finals and Nash NEVER will, huh? Iverson and Carmelo barely played any games together yet. When they have, they've been KILLIN...
Hell, just take a look at this box score...It's also more evidence that Iverson is way better:
http://www.nba.com/games/20070317/PHXDEN/boxscore.html
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Individual talents- A.I.
Team player- Nash, Whether you like Nash or not, he makes Phoenix a contender
Yea...Contender for the regular season.
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Individual talents- A.I.
Team player- Nash, Whether you like Nash or not, he makes Phoenix a contender
Yea...Contender for the regular season.
Neither have championships. Even if A.I. has been to the finals. Denver is finally starting to click so it will be interesting to see if they can translate 2 superstars into a finals appearance.
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Individual talents- A.I.
Team player- Nash, Whether you like Nash or not, he makes Phoenix a contender
Yea...Contender for the regular season.
Neither have championships. Even if A.I. has been to the finals. Denver is finally starting to click so it will be interesting to see if they can translate 2 superstars into a finals appearance.
Of course they wont...But I'd go as far as to say they have a better chance than Phoenix.
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AI= greatest little man ever
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Individual talents- A.I.
Team player- Nash, Whether you like Nash or not, he makes Phoenix a contender
Yea...Contender for the regular season.
Neither have championships. Even if A.I. has been to the finals. Denver is finally starting to click so it will be interesting to see if they can translate 2 superstars into a finals appearance.
Of course they wont...But I'd go as far as to say they have a better chance than Phoenix.
Denver has a better chance then Phoenix of making the finals? With the team Denver has right now? I still think they need some big men and their overall D is very weak. Maybe if they add a couple interior player to complement A.I. & Melo. Camby is good "when" he is healthy, same with Nene.
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AI= greatest little man ever
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Isiah Thomas!
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Individual talents- A.I.
Team player- Nash, Whether you like Nash or not, he makes Phoenix a contender
Yea...Contender for the regular season.
Neither have championships. Even if A.I. has been to the finals. Denver is finally starting to click so it will be interesting to see if they can translate 2 superstars into a finals appearance.
Of course they wont...But I'd go as far as to say they have a better chance than Phoenix.
Denver has a better chance then Phoenix of making the finals? With the team Denver has right now? I still think they need some big men and their overall D is very weak. Maybe if they add a couple interior player to complement A.I. & Melo. Camby is good "when" he is healthy, same with Nene.
Phoenix has NO chance of making it in the playoffs. Their style of play wont allow it. Everyone knows the playoffs magnify the importance of each possession, which is why the great teams play possession by possession. Phoenix can't play that way, they're a running team with no defense, a regular season wonder, just like Dallas was under Don Nelson...Denver doesn't have a great chance either, but their style of play, though not perfected, is more fitting for playoff style of basketball...I see Denver in the finals before I see Phoenix there.
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Individual talents- A.I.
Team player- Nash, Whether you like Nash or not, he makes Phoenix a contender
Yea...Contender for the regular season.
Neither have championships. Even if A.I. has been to the finals. Denver is finally starting to click so it will be interesting to see if they can translate 2 superstars into a finals appearance.
Of course they wont...But I'd go as far as to say they have a better chance than Phoenix.
Denver has a better chance then Phoenix of making the finals? With the team Denver has right now? I still think they need some big men and their overall D is very weak. Maybe if they add a couple interior player to complement A.I. & Melo. Camby is good "when" he is healthy, same with Nene.
Phoenix has NO chance of making it in the playoffs. Their style of play wont allow it. Everyone knows the playoffs magnify the importance of each possession, which is why the great teams play possession by possession. Phoenix can't play that way, they're a running team with no defense, a regular season wonder, just like Dallas was under Don Nelson...Denver doesn't have a great chance either, but their style of play, though not perfected, is more fitting for playoff style of basketball...I see Denver in the finals before I see Phoenix there.
I don't see anyone beating Dallas at this point, but I would like to see how Denver would do in a 7 game series with Phoenix. And Phoenix did not have Amare last year and let the board tell it he is "washed up" so the West will be interesting. But other than maybe San Antonio I don't see a team beating Dallas 4 times in the West.
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Individual talents- A.I.
Team player- Nash, Whether you like Nash or not, he makes Phoenix a contender
Yea...Contender for the regular season.
Neither have championships. Even if A.I. has been to the finals. Denver is finally starting to click so it will be interesting to see if they can translate 2 superstars into a finals appearance.
Of course they wont...But I'd go as far as to say they have a better chance than Phoenix.
Denver has a better chance then Phoenix of making the finals? With the team Denver has right now? I still think they need some big men and their overall D is very weak. Maybe if they add a couple interior player to complement A.I. & Melo. Camby is good "when" he is healthy, same with Nene.
Phoenix has NO chance of making it in the playoffs. Their style of play wont allow it. Everyone knows the playoffs magnify the importance of each possession, which is why the great teams play possession by possession. Phoenix can't play that way, they're a running team with no defense, a regular season wonder, just like Dallas was under Don Nelson...Denver doesn't have a great chance either, but their style of play, though not perfected, is more fitting for playoff style of basketball...I see Denver in the finals before I see Phoenix there.
I don't see anyone beating Dallas at this point, but I would like to see how Denver would do in a 7 game series with Phoenix. And Phoenix did not have Amare last year and let the board tell it he is "washed up" so the West will be interesting. But other than maybe San Antonio I don't see a team beating Dallas 4 times in the West.
Spurs, Lakers at full strength, and maybe even the Rockets at full strength could handle Dallas...I think a team like Phoenix can fare better without a big, cuz that small-ball is at least hard to match up against. Amare is a good individual player, but he obviously doesn't make a huge difference as to how Phoenix plays...D'Antonio will NEVER win something that matters. "RUN!" is not exactly the advice to give your team when it's time for the big boys to play...
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Individual talents- A.I.
Team player- Nash, Whether you like Nash or not, he makes Phoenix a contender
Yea...Contender for the regular season.
Neither have championships. Even if A.I. has been to the finals. Denver is finally starting to click so it will be interesting to see if they can translate 2 superstars into a finals appearance.
Of course they wont...But I'd go as far as to say they have a better chance than Phoenix.
Denver has a better chance then Phoenix of making the finals? With the team Denver has right now? I still think they need some big men and their overall D is very weak. Maybe if they add a couple interior player to complement A.I. & Melo. Camby is good "when" he is healthy, same with Nene.
Phoenix has NO chance of making it in the playoffs. Their style of play wont allow it. Everyone knows the playoffs magnify the importance of each possession, which is why the great teams play possession by possession. Phoenix can't play that way, they're a running team with no defense, a regular season wonder, just like Dallas was under Don Nelson...Denver doesn't have a great chance either, but their style of play, though not perfected, is more fitting for playoff style of basketball...I see Denver in the finals before I see Phoenix there.
I don't see anyone beating Dallas at this point, but I would like to see how Denver would do in a 7 game series with Phoenix. And Phoenix did not have Amare last year and let the board tell it he is "washed up" so the West will be interesting. But other than maybe San Antonio I don't see a team beating Dallas 4 times in the West.
Spurs, Lakers at full strength, and maybe even the Rockets at full strength could handle Dallas...I think a team like Phoenix can fare better without a big, cuz that small-ball is at least hard to match up against. Amare is a good individual player, but he obviously doesn't make a huge difference as to how Phoenix plays...D'Antonio will NEVER win something that matters. "RUN!" is not exactly the advice to give your team when it's time for the big boys to play...
Amare does give them somewhat of a presence inside. They have NO shot blocking ability without him and no low post threat, so I guess if they wanted to go through the motions of running a half court game, he would be a option. Hell Nash made Boris Diaw a scorer in the playoffs but yeah they cannot run a half court game if the court was cut in half.
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I just think they looked like a tougher match-up with Diaw as the starting center. It fit their small-ball style of play perfectly. Not saying Amare hurts them, but do you really think Phoenix has a chance in the half-court?
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NIK the Lakers are solid but they have NO chance at beating Dallas 4 times in a playoff series
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I just think they looked like a tougher match-up with Diaw as the starting center. It fit their small-ball style of play perfectly. Not saying Amare hurts them, but do you really think Phoenix has a chance in the half-court?
I watch Phoenix's game and IMO it is their shot selection and lack of half court defense that kills them. L.A. has the blueprint to beat them, but I think their offense has alot of ball movement and players cutting to a spot or to the basket. They are a jump shooting team and as hot as you are is as cold as you will be depending on jumpers and 3's. It is their decision making that kills them. You can tell they panic in crunch time. Which makes no sense when you have a point guard like Nash. Just work the clock and be patient and work to get a good shot. Not Phoenix.
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NIK the Lakers are solid but they have NO chance at beating Dallas 4 times in a playoff series
At full strength, yes, they do...Lakers have this one guy, and his name is KOBE.
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I just think they looked like a tougher match-up with Diaw as the starting center. It fit their small-ball style of play perfectly. Not saying Amare hurts them, but do you really think Phoenix has a chance in the half-court?
I watch Phoenix's game and IMO it is their shot selection and lack of half court defense that kills them. L.A. has the blueprint to beat them, but I think their offense has alot of ball movement and players cutting to a spot or to the basket. They are a jump shooting team and as hot as you are is as cold as you will be depending on jumpers and 3's. It is their decision making that kills them. You can tell they panic in crunch time. Which makes no sense when you have a point guard like Nash. Just work the clock and be patient and work to get a good shot. Not Phoenix.
Yea, that's a pretty good assessment. You live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot. Phoenix already did their living...PeACe
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I just think they looked like a tougher match-up with Diaw as the starting center. It fit their small-ball style of play perfectly. Not saying Amare hurts them, but do you really think Phoenix has a chance in the half-court?
I watch Phoenix's game and IMO it is their shot selection and lack of half court defense that kills them. L.A. has the blueprint to beat them, but I think their offense has alot of ball movement and players cutting to a spot or to the basket. They are a jump shooting team and as hot as you are is as cold as you will be depending on jumpers and 3's. It is their decision making that kills them. You can tell they panic in crunch time. Which makes no sense when you have a point guard like Nash. Just work the clock and be patient and work to get a good shot. Not Phoenix.
Yea, that's a pretty good assessment. You live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot. Phoenix already did their living...PeACe
I look at possessions more with Phoenix. And against L.A., Dallas and San Antonio, hell even Houston and Utah, you are only going to have a certain amount of possessions. And Phoenix does not have the patience on offense or defense to make those count. So what do you have to do? Speed the game up to have more possessions. A good defensive team with good rebounding on the offensive and defensive end will give Phoenix problems if they keep the game in the 80-90's score wise. They will win 1 or 2 games in a series just off good shooting but if they do not speed the game up to create more shots when they are cold, they are in trouble.
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i would take AI anyday over Nash.
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AI= greatest little man ever
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Isiah Thomas!
I really meant NON pg's, i should have said that
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AI= greatest little man ever
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Isiah Thomas!
I really meant NON pg's, i should have said that
AI is a point guard...LOL.
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AI= greatest little man ever
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Isiah Thomas!
I really meant NON pg's, i should have said that
AI is a point guard...LOL.
he plays PG, but hes a natural 2
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AI= greatest little man ever
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Isiah Thomas!
I really meant NON pg's, i should have said that
AI is a point guard...LOL.
he plays PG, but hes a natural 2
Isiah was pretty much the same as Iverson...
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AI= greatest little man ever
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Isiah Thomas!
I really meant NON pg's, i should have said that
AI is a point guard...LOL.
he plays PG, but hes a natural 2
Isiah was pretty much the same as Iverson...
almost but he other guys around him that could score, he wasnt a one man show like AI has been pretty much his whole career. AI never had a Joe Dumars to take off the pressure lets just say that. Isiah didnt have to score 30 a game to win, like AI had to do for most of his career in Philly. The year he took them to the title loss vs the Lakers he played 2 as you probably know im sure. I think hes much more effective when he has a PG on his team where he can play 2.
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AI= greatest little man ever
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Isiah Thomas!
I really meant NON pg's, i should have said that
AI is a point guard...LOL.
he plays PG, but hes a natural 2
Isiah was pretty much the same as Iverson...
almost but he other guys around him that could score, he wasnt a one man show like AI has been pretty much his whole career. AI never had a Joe Dumars to take off the pressure lets just say that. Isiah didnt have to score 30 a game to win, like AI had to do for most of his career in Philly. The year he took them to the title loss vs the Lakers he played 2 as you probably know im sure. I think hes much more effective when he has a PG on his team where he can play 2.
Still, Isiah>>>Iverson>>>Nash
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AI= greatest little man ever
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Isiah Thomas!
I really meant NON pg's, i should have said that
AI is a point guard...LOL.
he plays PG, but hes a natural 2
Isiah was pretty much the same as Iverson...
almost but he other guys around him that could score, he wasnt a one man show like AI has been pretty much his whole career. AI never had a Joe Dumars to take off the pressure lets just say that. Isiah didnt have to score 30 a game to win, like AI had to do for most of his career in Philly. The year he took them to the title loss vs the Lakers he played 2 as you probably know im sure. I think hes much more effective when he has a PG on his team where he can play 2.
Still, Isiah>>>Iverson>>>Nash
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Allen Iverson is a loser. Look at how the Nuggets still won't own despite having the 2 leading scorers (before the trade). Pathetic.
Also look at how great Iggy became since Iverson left. All that nigga does is taking up shots, he might get assists but Nash is much, much better at giving a true boost to the entire team and getting the W than Iverson ever was. He can get his stats but he can't be arsed to get Ws like it ain't nothing.
He's obviously the better individual player but I wouldn't even think of building a team around his sorry ass.
Yea, that's why Iverson got to the finals and Nash NEVER will, huh? Iverson and Carmelo barely played any games together yet. When they have, they've been KILLIN...
Hell, just take a look at this box score...It's also more evidence that Iverson is way better:
http://www.nba.com/games/20070317/PHXDEN/boxscore.html
There was 1 year, more than half a decade ago when Iverson was able to get a lot of Ws. Whoopty doo, the Sixers are not worse off without him, LOL, that should tell you everything.
About the Box score... well, Iverson had probably the best game of the season there, while Nash had a rather bad game. Luckily that happened in the direct match-up for you to act like it would show how they do head-to-head, but hey at the end of the day you just cloud reality with the help of statistics.
Anyways, I am eager to be proven wrong by Iverson, I really am. But so far all he has shown to me is that he got skills but not what it takes to be a Winner on a consistant basis.
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Allen Iverson is a loser. Look at how the Nuggets still won't own despite having the 2 leading scorers (before the trade). Pathetic.
Also look at how great Iggy became since Iverson left. All that nigga does is taking up shots, he might get assists but Nash is much, much better at giving a true boost to the entire team and getting the W than Iverson ever was. He can get his stats but he can't be arsed to get Ws like it ain't nothing.
He's obviously the better individual player but I wouldn't even think of building a team around his sorry ass.
Yea, that's why Iverson got to the finals and Nash NEVER will, huh? Iverson and Carmelo barely played any games together yet. When they have, they've been KILLIN...
Hell, just take a look at this box score...It's also more evidence that Iverson is way better:
http://www.nba.com/games/20070317/PHXDEN/boxscore.html
There was 1 year, more than half a decade ago when Iverson was able to get a lot of Ws. Whoopty doo, the Sixers are not worse off without him, LOL, that should tell you everything.
About the Box score... well, Iverson had probably the best game of the season there, while Nash had a rather bad game. Luckily that happened in the direct match-up for you to act like it would show how they do head-to-head, but hey at the end of the day you just cloud reality with the help of statistics.
Anyways, I am eager to be proven wrong by Iverson, I really am. But so far all he has shown to me is that he got skills but not what it takes to be a Winner on a consistant basis.
And Steve Nash is a winner, right? ::) The suituation in Philadelphia was disgusting, the way Iverson was treated. Of course his heart wasn't there! do you even know the circumstances? Iverson doesn't wanna rebuild 11 years into his career, man. I'm not clouding SHIT. Head-to-head, Iverson is a WAY better player, that's all there is to it...
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^Well there's a good chance they'll face each other in the playoffs next month, we'll see who was real about shit then.
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Iverson's career > Nash's career. Right now, at this current stage in their careers, I'd take Nash and it's a no-brainer for me.
Right now Nash's game is approaching that of legends like Isaih Thomas. He's doing things on the basketball court that haven't been seen since legends like Isaih and Magic retired. He's averaging 11 assists a game and is shooting 50% from the floor, which is incredible considering that most of shots are jumpers. If you look at Nash's play and you see his footwork, his court vision, his clutch play, honestly I see shades of Magic when I watch him play. His game is a thing of beauty.
Nash IMO is the 2nd best player in the NBA behind Kobe.
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Iverson's career > Nash's career. Right now, at this current stage in their careers, I'd take Nash and it's a no-brainer for me.
Right now Nash's game is approaching that of legends like Isaih Thomas. He's doing things on the basketball court that haven't been seen since legends like Isaih and Magic retired. He's averaging 11 assists a game and is shooting 50% from the floor, which is incredible considering that most of shots are jumpers. If you look at Nash's play and you see his footwork, his court vision, his clutch play, honestly I see shades of Magic when I watch him play. His game is a thing of beauty.
Nash IMO is the 2nd best player in the NBA behind Kobe.
Naah, man. Nash is nowhere NEAR the likes of an Isiah or a Magic. Nash is a player who concentrates all his effort on one aspect of the game, and excels in it. Sorta like what Bowen does for defense, Nash does for Phoenix's system. Phoenix play the game at a much higher pace and focus their main efforts on the offensive end. There's a reason everyone has career years number-wise playing D'Antonios system, and that reason is not Nash. The system calls for more shots, more passes, pass and shoot, run, run, run, pass and shoot, pass and shoot, etc. etc. which results in high assists, point totals, and rebounds (since there's more missed shots). Shawn Marion is a top 3 fantasy player because of the system. Can anyone say Shawn Marion is a top 3 player in the league? Hell no...Nash did not all of a sudden get drastically better at the age of 31 by leaving the Mavs, no way. Lets think rationally. It's the system producing these numbers, a system that will allow a Nick Collison to average 26 points and 18 rebounds against it. Nash is really good, don't get me wrong. But by no means should he be mentioned under the same breath as Earvin "Magic" Johnson...PeACe
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u48FyhZ8RM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u48FyhZ8RM
Point proven. A real point guard making Nash look like a joke...Happens very often.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u48FyhZ8RM
Point proven. A real point guard making Nash look like a joke...Happens very often.
AI spanked the shit outta Nash, look at the comparing stats lol.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2007032523
:laugh:
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^ I don't think I've ever been so happy to see the Kings win
But back to the topic, what R-Tistic said pretty much sums it all up. Iverson is probably the best PG in the league (I can live with him or Kidd taking that title), but since Nash got the MVP, people feel like he is the best. He's a great PG no doubt and anybody in the league would gladly take him on their team because he will bring out the best in you, but as far as overall game, Iverson & Kidd (actually even Billups and B.Davis) are much better all around PGs.