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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: KURUPTION-81 on March 29, 2007, 10:25:09 AM
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cool article from www.allhiphop.com
Is Backpacker Hip-Hop Zipped Up?
Paine
"Nowadays, rappers are comin' half-hearted / Commercial like Pop, or underground like Black markets / Where were you the day Hip-Hop died? / Is it too early to mourn, is it too late to ride? " - Talib Kweli, "Too Late"
(2000, Rawkus)
Less than a month after Little Brother moved away from 9th Wonder's innovative but marginalizing sound, I just got the news that one of the core groups of my youth, Jurassic 5, has disbanded on some seemingly unfriendly terms. It surprised me how much more the former meant to me than the latter, and I got to thinking of the overall state of underground Hip-Hop as we once knew it.
Earlier in the week, I was going through my collection of CDs and LPs, deciding what to keep, and what not to - a daunting task that I perform several times each year, and always before a change of residence. In the shuffle, I pulled out the Dilated Peoples' album The Platform, something I had previously held on to since I purchased it moments after the record store turned its keys on Tuesday May 20, 2000. After a nostalgic listen, I threw the CD on Amazon, and let it go for three dollars. This action hurt me in a number of ways, mostly because of what it showed me about myself seven years later, and the demise of the Hip-Hop I once loved.
Looking back at the late '90s underground glory, I often debate which is a better, more archetypal single, Black Star's "Respiration" or Dilated's "Rework the Angles." Both of these records combined perfect sample-based sound compositions and pointed lyrics using urban and celestial images. I adored this brand of Hip-Hop, and so did the check-writers. Priority backed Rawkus, as Interscope signed Jurassic 5 and Planet Asia, while Dilated joined Capitol/EMI. MCA would scoop the Quannum label, and Dr. Dre would sign the Cinderella-story of all back-packers, Eminem. Meanwhile, the veterans wanted a taste too. Kool G Rap re-traded the fedora for a hoodie, aligning with Rawkus, Zev Love X reappeared as MF Doom, and The Freestyle Fellowship made an encore album. The expectations were big, and despite some hit, heavy airplay singles from J5 ("The Influence"), Pharoahe Monch ("Simon Says"), and Royce Da 5'9" ("Boom"), nobody besides Marshall Mathers (five million sold on his debut) appeased the labels as seemingly intended.
No, this was a culture that lived and subsequently died on the twelve-inch singles that stores today refuse to carry and profiled DJs refuse to play.From 1997-2001 though, it produced legions of fans - a whole generation of teenagers in the suburbs, in the cities, of all colors - perceived as White, who had much more in common with J-Treds than Jay-Z. Five years later, and partly due to better music from the Jay-Z side, could these emerging young professionals still relate to Del's metaphysics, to Pacewon's riotous antics, or to The Beatnuts' sophomoric humor? Perhaps the same audience that knew every word of Kweli's "Manifesto" grew to memorize Pusha T and Malice's punchline swagger in their upper twenties. I write from experience.
As a working music journalist, I'm inundated with mail everyday. I could have told you that El-P's I'll Sleep When You're Dead was dope, three months ago, but I find myself waiting for the DHL deliveryman to bring me Timbaland's Shock Value, which drops in less than two weeks. Underground Hip-Hop is always there, in vast abundance. Have you ever seen Kool Keith's discography? Just as much as it infuriates me that The Dipset has a release of some kind every Tuesday, it's troubling that The Bronze Nazareth really expects me to go to the store three times in less than two years to spend my money. Whereas we welcomed the quality-over-quantity twelve-inch singles of the late '90s with open tone-arms, 2007 is a time of, "Here, buy my mixtape of 27 fillers." Unlike 10 years ago, the junk that comes out allows my pockets to stay fat and not flat, relatively speaking.
Who's to blame?
In one part, I blame myself, for owning and working as a part of the Internet. The web not only hurt all of Hip-Hop with its file-trading, CD burning, MySpace self-promoting, and kiss-picture-leaking technology. Al Gore's illegitimate brainchild also created a perception that underground Hip-Hop was corny. Talib Kweli said it so on "Some Kind of Wonderful," "My rhymes be blowin' up in chat rooms all over the Internet / and causing collisions on the highway of information." At a time when we value jail time, tight lips, and street-earned stripes, backpackers got vic'd for theirs, and were too busy blogging about other stuff to care.
Then there are the labels. Jurassic 5's disbanding makes it highly implausible that Charli 2na or Zakir will hang around Interscope with solo
deals. Pharoahe Monch's Desire was being promoted when Universal let Chamillionaire release his last album, let alone his top-priority follow-up. I'd also venture to bet that if Ghostface and MF Doom make that collaborative album, it's more likely to sport a Nature Sounds label than the promised Def Jam Left jacket. Even Consequence is offering refunds on the consumers of his recent album, which total a smaller number than the attendance of a Tampa Bay Devil Rays' home game. In the same breath, I commend Stones Throw, the Def Jux, the Rhymesayers, ABB, Duck Down and other labels who adapted brilliantly to the independent possibilities of the times. Those times is hard, but are today's talented voices of the movement suffering from the mistakes made by the suits at the top of the millennium? I'd pass partial blame. If Nike hadn't thrown Kanye and Nas on "Classic," would KRS-One and Rakim still really be getting the love? If The Black Eyed Peas hadn't added Fergie, would they still be on a major? Aren't there more J Dilla tribute shirts in print than copies sold of Fantastic Volume 2?
Lastly, there is us - the consumers. Despite getting serviced with the promo schwag - which thanks to that aforementioned Internet, often only plays in one of my five CD players, I go out just like everybody else to support what I believe in. Yesterday, I was there again on a Tuesday to swoop new albums from El-P, Devin the Dude, and RJD2. I'm one of the few that still considers these a worthwhile purchase. It's wishful thinking to believe this act does anything significant for the charts, but it's imperative to let the labels and artists who read these reports know and realize that we still care, 15 dollars worth to be exact. We want more. I wish more of us would call up the radio stations, support the proper record stores, write the magazine editors, or simply tell a friend that Edan/I Self divine/whoever else is nice with theirs. Underground Hip-Hop is too driven by the elitists who would prefer it that they're the only one on the planet who "really understands Atmosphere," and the passive listener, "Oh yeah, I love Madlib. I have a few MP3s I got off Limewire."
That generation I wrote of earlier, back then, I would have kicked my own ass for liking some of the music (and women) I do today. Despite this, frankly, I'm glad I grew up. But at the same time, in the compromise of changing styles, maturing tastes, and simply different times, all should not be lost. Even if I can't always feel what Rakaa and Evidence are rhyming about seven years after they meant everything to me, I miss the hope of hearing great music outside of "clothes, hoes and desert eagles," and believing that it stood a chance in the fight. I miss being there when Mr. Complex congratulated Common on Like Water For Chocolate going gold, I miss
the "B-Boy Document" intro to Rap City, I miss KRS-One, Crooked I, and Tech N9ne on the same Sway & Tech posse-cut. I miss being surprised.
Along with The Platform CD and a host of others, I parted with my long-retired Triple Five Soul, marker-stained backpack in last week's
fire-sale. I don't want it back. I still carry twelves in my laptop bag, and i'm crossing my fingers that underground Hip-Hop puts out some stuff that deserves to be carried again.
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thank you for posting.
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Earlier in the week, I was going through my collection of CDs and LPs, deciding what to keep, and what not to - a daunting task that I perform several times each year, and always before a change of residence. In the shuffle, I pulled out the Dilated Peoples' album The Platform, something I had previously held on to since I purchased it moments after the record store turned its keys on Tuesday May 20, 2000. After a nostalgic listen, I threw the CD on Amazon, and let it go for three dollars. This action hurt me in a number of ways, mostly because of what it showed me about myself seven years later, and the demise of the Hip-Hop I once loved.
:'(
He's a good writer, and that hurt me too.
Props, kuruption!
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I miss being surprised
sums it up good
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nice thread.. I will post later...
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I miss being surprised
sums it up good
i was talking to my mate about that, i stopped getting surprised when i got into the internet. By the time an album comes out you already know all the features, who's produced what and if your like me and have to wait until its in the stores to hear it you already know what songs are good and bad supposidly.
Add to the fact there is an over saturation of music, if an artist aint got an album then they have a mixtape out. To me there is no anticipation when waiting for an album now, the majority of artists are still releasing tracks on mixtapes, websites regardless of whether they have an album dropping or not. id rathernot hear from an artist for a year or two and then the next thing you hear is the album. Build up the anticipation again and with it will come the surprises.
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"Oh yeah, I love Madlib. I have a few MP3s I got off Limewire."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^This says it all and should truly say something to the writer of the article: It's not enough to have a dope song, you have to make the listener want to hear the other 10-15 things you have to say.
I could rap right now and people will tell me it's tight, however I can NOT rap right now and compel people to go financially support me. If Madlib can't hook you with those 3 songs you got on Limewire, that's on him as a passive artist. Not me the passive listener. The customer is always right, and it's a buyer's market. We have access to whatever we want, better make sure we want what you got if you want to be hot.
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you know fuck, fuck everybody who says hiphop is dead, fuck em all, its people like that who are killing it, why is hiphop dead? cuz sales are down? cuz the artists arent releasing classics anymore?
yall some funny dudes, hiphop is alive and fuck everybody who aint down with that, pussies.
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nice thread.. I will post later...
we'll be waiting :D
he has his opinions
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why is hiphop dead? cuz sales are down? cuz the artists arent releasing classics anymore?
Ah, so you actually do know what's up!
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i always know whatsup. you know, classics may take a longer time to appreciate them. imo it takes several years for an album to withstand the time...if after (for example) 5 years you still feel its a good album, you still feel the need to spin it, then its a classic. thats why you cant say every 06 wasnt classic, since i got some records from 06 still on my ipod and im still listening to those pretty much.
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^^ So every old album that still gets some spins = classic?
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you know fuck, fuck everybody who says hiphop is dead, fuck em all, its people like that who are killing it, why is hiphop dead? cuz sales are down? cuz the artists arent releasing classics anymore?
yall some funny dudes, hiphop is alive and fuck everybody who aint down with that, pussies.
its talking about a specific part ofg hip hop not hip hop in general
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you know fuck, fuck everybody who says hiphop is dead, fuck em all, its people like that who are killing it, why is hiphop dead? cuz sales are down? cuz the artists arent releasing classics anymore?
yall some funny dudes, hiphop is alive and fuck everybody who aint down with that, pussies.
its talking about a specific part ofg hip hop not hip hop in general
The most beautiful part at that...
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I get the boosters boosting, I get computers puting
Y'all get shot at, call me, I do the shooting
I do the recruiting, I tutor the students
I nurture they brain, I'm moving the movement
Whether buddist or budah, that's judist or juda
I got luger to ruger, hit from +Roota to Toota+
Chick from hooter to hooter, I put two in producers
I'm the real boss story, the hoolah of hoosiers
I rock mostly dosey, I roll mostly dololy
I'll leave you wholy, holy, you'll say "Holy Moly"
Here come the coroner get 'em, play "Rolly Poley"
I'll tell you true stories, how I coldly hold heat
When it's repping time, I get on extra grind
Fried the frequency, pepperseed to pepperdine
Jeff Hamilton, +Genesis+, leather time
Bitches say I'm the man, I tell 'em "Nevermind"
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I get the boosters boosting, I get computers puting
Y'all get shot at, call me, I do the shooting
I do the recruiting, I tutor the students
I nurture they brain, I'm moving the movement
Whether buddist or budah, that's judist or juda
I got luger to ruger, hit from +Roota to Toota+
Chick from hooter to hooter, I put two in producers
I'm the real boss story, the hoolah of hoosiers
I rock mostly dosey, I roll mostly dololy
I'll leave you wholy, holy, you'll say "Holy Moly"
Here come the coroner get 'em, play "Rolly Poley"
I'll tell you true stories, how I coldly hold heat
When it's repping time, I get on extra grind
Fried the frequency, pepperseed to pepperdine
Jeff Hamilton, +Genesis+, leather time
Bitches say I'm the man, I tell 'em "Nevermind"
seriously, on a purely sonic and poetic level how is that not dope? i'd prefer this to rhyming 'cash' with 'ass' and 'switch' with 'bitch' ANY day of the week.
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seriously, on a purely sonic and poetic level how is that not dope? i'd prefer this to rhyming 'cash' with 'ass' and 'switch' with 'bitch' ANY day of the week.
-T
You're reading a Cam'ron verse, speaking of a poetic level, wondering how is that not dope? Let me point this out.
I get the boosters boosting, I get computers puting
Puting? There is no such verb. Computers compute, that's why they're called computers.
Whether buddist or budah, that's judist or juda
I got luger to ruger, hit from +Roota to Toota+
Chick from hooter to hooter, I put two in producers
I'm the real boss story, the hoolah of hoosiers
You tell me, how is that supposed to make sense? You're calling this poetic, right? What the fuck is "judist or juda"? "I put two in producers" (pro-deuce-ers?)? And what about the Hoosiers and "their" Hulah Lake? And how is any of this in any way related to each other?
I rock mostly dosey, I roll mostly dololy
I'll leave you wholy, holy, you'll say "Holy Moly"
Here come the coroner get 'em, play "Rolly Poley"
I'll tell you true stories, how I coldly hold heat
When it's repping time, I get on extra grind
Fried the frequency, pepperseed to pepperdine
Jeff Hamilton, +Genesis+, leather time
Bitches say I'm the man, I tell 'em "Nevermind"
More of the same: let's take our rhyme dictionary and put together some words, and if the shit doesn't make sense - who cares?
I know it's easy to overrationalize music, and I know this verse was totally off topic, and yes the rhyming is "unique" in it's own way indeed. It still sucks though. Sonically alright? Yes, but poetic? Hell no.
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seriously, on a purely sonic and poetic level how is that not dope? i'd prefer this to rhyming 'cash' with 'ass' and 'switch' with 'bitch' ANY day of the week.
-T
You're reading a Cam'ron verse, speaking of a poetic level, wondering how is that not dope? Let me point this out.
I get the boosters boosting, I get computers puting
Puting? There is no such verb. Computers compute, that's why they're called computers.
Whether buddist or budah, that's judist or juda
I got luger to ruger, hit from +Roota to Toota+
Chick from hooter to hooter, I put two in producers
I'm the real boss story, the hoolah of hoosiers
You tell me, how is that supposed to make sense? You're calling this poetic, right? What the fuck is "judist or juda"? "I put two in producers" (pro-deuce-ers?)? And what about the Hoosiers and "their" Hulah Lake? And how is any of this in any way related to each other?
I rock mostly dosey, I roll mostly dololy
I'll leave you wholy, holy, you'll say "Holy Moly"
Here come the coroner get 'em, play "Rolly Poley"
I'll tell you true stories, how I coldly hold heat
When it's repping time, I get on extra grind
Fried the frequency, pepperseed to pepperdine
Jeff Hamilton, +Genesis+, leather time
Bitches say I'm the man, I tell 'em "Nevermind"
More of the same: let's take our rhyme dictionary and put together some words, and if the shit doesn't make sense - who cares?
I know it's easy to overrationalize music, and I know this verse was totally off topic, and yes the rhyming is "unique" in it's own way indeed. It still sucks though. Sonically alright? Yes, but poetic? Hell no.
Ever read Michael McClure? How about Lewis Carol? Jabberwocky? Kerouac's beach poems? There's ALOT of poetry that's poetic based on its sonicality. The fact that it's sonically alright makes it automatically poetic. Poetic isn't just what "enter person's name here* finds to be deep or poignant. it's the art of words in a non-prose way. You can't box art or artistic mediums.
+1 for answering tho mayne
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Furthermore, I think this kind of thing is why I get so much hate on this board: i tend to see all sides of things.
It's not that I think Cam is the dopest or a favorite or eeven that I like him alot....but I can see the value other people find in him.
Most cats that say 'fuck a dipcc' would never even bother to consider why someone like's Cam and will just be happy to diss cam fans, and feel smug in knowing they like better shit...that's cool I guess, but I'm gonna think about why someone would like it, listen with open ears you know? How else can you get enjoyment out of life without giving it a chance? Anyway I digress...so I look at it from all angles and play devil's advocate because if the best idea to the contrary of an idea is not presented then how lean/fit is the original idea? It's discussional darwinism, in order for thought to progress the best arguments from all sides must be presented. I noticed most people here would rather one way of thinking be prevalent and that's why I get hate, they'd rather just jack each other off.
in other words, I'm not a dip cat, not really the first person to defend Cam you know? But I'm not gonna just agree that some shit is whack if there is some value to it on some creative/artistic level you know?
^^none of this was aimed at anyone in particular, just the lack of diverse thought/hate on me in general.
-T
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seriously, on a purely sonic and poetic level how is that not dope? i'd prefer this to rhyming 'cash' with 'ass' and 'switch' with 'bitch' ANY day of the week.
-T
You're reading a Cam'ron verse, speaking of a poetic level, wondering how is that not dope? Let me point this out.
I get the boosters boosting, I get computers puting
Puting? There is no such verb. Computers compute, that's why they're called computers.
Whether buddist or budah, that's judist or juda
I got luger to ruger, hit from +Roota to Toota+
Chick from hooter to hooter, I put two in producers
I'm the real boss story, the hoolah of hoosiers
You tell me, how is that supposed to make sense? You're calling this poetic, right? What the fuck is "judist or juda"? "I put two in producers" (pro-deuce-ers?)? And what about the Hoosiers and "their" Hulah Lake? And how is any of this in any way related to each other?
I rock mostly dosey, I roll mostly dololy
I'll leave you wholy, holy, you'll say "Holy Moly"
Here come the coroner get 'em, play "Rolly Poley"
I'll tell you true stories, how I coldly hold heat
When it's repping time, I get on extra grind
Fried the frequency, pepperseed to pepperdine
Jeff Hamilton, +Genesis+, leather time
Bitches say I'm the man, I tell 'em "Nevermind"
More of the same: let's take our rhyme dictionary and put together some words, and if the shit doesn't make sense - who cares?
I know it's easy to overrationalize music, and I know this verse was totally off topic, and yes the rhyming is "unique" in it's own way indeed. It still sucks though. Sonically alright? Yes, but poetic? Hell no.
its called looking past intention in art my nigga. you dont look at an abstract painting and go, "awh, thats crap that looks nothing like a vase of flowers" but you recognize the value in it anyway and in many circumstances it becomes more beautiful than you're average portrait or whatever the fuck. like tanjibility said, the sonic quality of his lines surpass most underground artists attempts at conveying emotion and half ass stories in hopes of redeeming themselves as "artists". he puts out this seemingly nonsensical insanity over some of the craziest instrumentals in modern rap, unapologetic, swagger and originality present at all times, who the fuck needs "backpacker" hip hop. on the real dog that backpack shit is just for white kids and nerds who cant feel any connection to the good vibes and times that are connected to a track like get em girls. its music for crabs. i hope its dying
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seriously, on a purely sonic and poetic level how is that not dope? i'd prefer this to rhyming 'cash' with 'ass' and 'switch' with 'bitch' ANY day of the week.
-T
You're reading a Cam'ron verse, speaking of a poetic level, wondering how is that not dope? Let me point this out.
I get the boosters boosting, I get computers puting
Puting? There is no such verb. Computers compute, that's why they're called computers.
Whether buddist or budah, that's judist or juda
I got luger to ruger, hit from +Roota to Toota+
Chick from hooter to hooter, I put two in producers
I'm the real boss story, the hoolah of hoosiers
You tell me, how is that supposed to make sense? You're calling this poetic, right? What the fuck is "judist or juda"? "I put two in producers" (pro-deuce-ers?)? And what about the Hoosiers and "their" Hulah Lake? And how is any of this in any way related to each other?
I rock mostly dosey, I roll mostly dololy
I'll leave you wholy, holy, you'll say "Holy Moly"
Here come the coroner get 'em, play "Rolly Poley"
I'll tell you true stories, how I coldly hold heat
When it's repping time, I get on extra grind
Fried the frequency, pepperseed to pepperdine
Jeff Hamilton, +Genesis+, leather time
Bitches say I'm the man, I tell 'em "Nevermind"
More of the same: let's take our rhyme dictionary and put together some words, and if the shit doesn't make sense - who cares?
I know it's easy to overrationalize music, and I know this verse was totally off topic, and yes the rhyming is "unique" in it's own way indeed. It still sucks though. Sonically alright? Yes, but poetic? Hell no.
its called looking past intention in art my nigga. you dont look at an abstract painting and go, "awh, thats crap that looks nothing like a vase of flowers" but you recognize the value in it anyway and in many circumstances it becomes more beautiful than you're average portrait or whatever the fuck. like tanjibility said, the sonic quality of his lines surpass most underground artists attempts at conveying emotion and half ass stories in hopes of redeeming themselves as "artists". he puts out this seemingly nonsensical insanity over some of the craziest instrumentals in modern rap, unapologetic, swagger and originality present at all times, who the fuck needs "backpacker" hip hop. on the real dog that backpack shit is just for white kids and nerds who cant feel any connection to the good vibes and times that are connected to a track like get em girls. its music for crabs. i hope its dying
thanks I appreciate that but I am ROLLLLIN off how extreme everyone is. I mean, it's cool to dig cam but then dissing backpacks it's just like him dissin dips you know? But i feel you
I feel like backpack hip hop is a legitimate response to the question 'why don't rappers actually say something/talk about some shit worth talking to/put craft before gangsterism?'
but I definitely agree that dips has all that you said going for them. i'd like to be linked to a dips song that is considered well produced, cause that's mainly what turns me offa them is the production. is the song that cam verse came from well produced? I'm interested.
-T
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http://www.zshare.net/audio/camron_killa_cam-get_em_girls-whoa-mp3.html (http://www.zshare.net/audio/camron_killa_cam-get_em_girls-whoa-mp3.html)
its from a mixtape but you tell me 8)
uses a sped up sample from "O Fortuna" (Excaliber movie theme)
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Furthermore, I think this kind of thing is why I get so much hate on this board: i tend to see all sides of things.
It's not that I think Cam is the dopest or a favorite or eeven that I like him alot....but I can see the value other people find in him.
Most cats that say 'fuck a dipcc' would never even bother to consider why someone like's Cam and will just be happy to diss cam fans, and feel smug in knowing they like better shit...that's cool I guess, but I'm gonna think about why someone would like it, listen with open ears you know? How else can you get enjoyment out of life without giving it a chance? Anyway I digress...so I look at it from all angles and play devil's advocate because if the best idea to the contrary of an idea is not presented then how lean/fit is the original idea? It's discussional darwinism, in order for thought to progress the best arguments from all sides must be presented. I noticed most people here would rather one way of thinking be prevalent and that's why I get hate, they'd rather just jack each other off.
in other words, I'm not a dip cat, not really the first person to defend Cam you know? But I'm not gonna just agree that some shit is whack if there is some value to it on some creative/artistic level you know?
^^none of this was aimed at anyone in particular, just the lack of diverse thought/hate on me in general.
-T
if you listen to his music for those reasons then that is ok, but i highly doubt all these dipset groupies listne to it the way you listen to it, they just join the hype to belong to a group, in their hearts htey dont care about music. thats why i dont understand why they are against g-unit, its basically the same concept. but to each his own. +1 though, cuz i see you mean what you say.
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Props to both of you, and I think I see where you're coming from... Just one thing that pops into my mind: how much sense does nonsense have to make to be considered good art? Because to me, this is just a shit load of sonically correct words thrown together with no connection at all. Yes, you can call it art all you want, and sure Cam'ron should be respected for taking a different approach to making a rap song.
you dont look at an abstract painting and go, "awh, thats crap that looks nothing like a vase of flowers" but you recognize the value in it anyway and in many circumstances it becomes more beautiful than you're average portrait or whatever the fuck.
I could throw together a bunch of rhyming words and call it the greatest song ever written. I could chalk six lines on a paper and call it the greatest piece of artwork ever made by man. The difference is, renowned painters know what they're doing: they accurately assign every element its place in their paintings to make it a wholly perfect composition. I couldn't do that by chalking up some lines; it takes a genius to do that. However, I don't see a difference between me grabbing together some rhyming words and converting that into a 16, and this "great artwork" of Cam'ron's. To me, there is no logic in it. It's random, and worthless at that.
Does that mean you can't enjoy it? If a man can enjoy the color of sand, why can't he enjoy a Cam'ron verse? You can like it all you want, but to call it a masterpiece, that's not just slightly overblown.
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Props to both of you, and I think I see where you're coming from... Just one thing that pops into my mind: how much sense does nonsense have to make to be considered good art? Because to me, this is just a shit load of sonically correct words thrown together with no connection at all. Yes, you can call it art all you want, and sure Cam'ron should be respected for taking a different approach to making a rap song.
you dont look at an abstract painting and go, "awh, thats crap that looks nothing like a vase of flowers" but you recognize the value in it anyway and in many circumstances it becomes more beautiful than you're average portrait or whatever the fuck.
I could throw together a bunch of rhyming words and call it the greatest song ever written. I could chalk six lines on a paper and call it the greatest piece of artwork ever made by man. The difference is, renowned painters know what they're doing: they accurately assign every element its place in their paintings to make it a wholly perfect composition. I couldn't do that by chalking up some lines; it takes a genius to do that. However, I don't see a difference between me grabbing together some rhyming words and converting that into a 16, and this "great artwork" of Cam'ron's. To me, there is no logic in it. It's random, and worthless at that.
Does that mean you can't enjoy it? If a man can enjoy the color of sand, why can't he enjoy a Cam'ron verse? You can like it all you want, but to call it a masterpiece, that's not just slightly overblown.
The beach sand in the right light is amazing art on nature's part.
anyway, I'm not sayinf cam's verse was a great artwork, I was just responding to your implication that it wasn't art at all/worthless.
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^^ Well, since there is no proper definition on what is art and what's not, anything that has ever been created could be considered art :D
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^^ Well, since there is no proper definition on what is art and what's not, anything that has ever been created could be considered art :D
IF made for the purpose of beauty or expression/creativity or both.
-T
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Props.. Nice article..